lfnetwork.com mark read register faq members calendar

Thread: The Drug Debate
Thread Tools Display Modes
Post a new thread. Add a reply to this thread. Indicate all threads in this forum as read. Subscribe to this forum. RSS feed: this forum RSS feed: all forums
Old 09-23-2004, 06:02 PM   #1
JofaGuht
 
JofaGuht's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 938
The Drug Debate

Where do you guys stand on it?

I have a lot of feelings about this subject, but I want to hear what guys have to say first (something I realize as I type is that we've got a lot of people from different areas where the laws are different, so I 'm not sure how this will go.)


There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing? Not a speck of light is showing, so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a-glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes, the danger must be growing 'cause the rowers keep on rowing, and they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing. AAAGGHHH!!!
JofaGuht is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-23-2004, 06:36 PM   #2
Skinkie
Definately, Maybe
 
Skinkie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Eh, Wherever
Posts: 2,462
10 year veteran! Forum Veteran 
Drugs are bad. That's my stance. I've seen quite a few people go downhill because of them.


Just because people think what I say don't make sense, doesn't mean I don't like popsicles.
Skinkie is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-24-2004, 06:03 AM   #3
edlib
Close to the Edge
 
edlib's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Boston, MA., USA
Posts: 9,467
Current Game: DiRT 3; Forza 4
Hot Topic Starter 10 year veteran! Forum Veteran 
Caffene is about my only vice. I don't smoke or drink, and I won't even take asprin if I can avoid it. I dislike the idea of changing my body chemistry and altering my conciousness. Just seems like a bad idea to me. I'm a control freak, and the prospect of being out of my mind on some chemical substance horrifies me to no end.

That being said: I think marijuana should be legalized in America for those of legal drinking age, and certainly for medical purposes. I have no wish to use it myself, but since everyone who wants it can pretty much already get it easily, we should at least be taxing it and regulating it.


Native XWA.Netter (Nutter?)
edlib is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-24-2004, 06:37 AM   #4
Ray Jones
[armleglegarmhead]
 
Ray Jones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: digital
Posts: 8,256
10 year veteran! LF Jester Helpful! Forum Veteran 
.. and i don't think it's worse than alcohol..


Ray Jones is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-24-2004, 07:05 AM   #5
Sivy
coming soon
 
Sivy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 7,314
Forum Veteran 
generally speaking, the problem is that people abuse things. they can't have one or two drinks, they have to get wasted. and thatĺs when the trouble starts. It's the same with drugs. i've had a spliff or two in my time, but thats it. however some people smoke a few spliffs and then they want to try something else. and before they know it they're addicted to some hard drug or another. a lot of my friends from school have gone that way, and its a real shame. some people don't know when to stop, and by the time they do its too late.

Last edited by Sivy; 09-27-2004 at 12:20 AM.
Sivy is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-24-2004, 12:52 PM   #6
elTee
beatnik
 
elTee's Avatar
 
Status: Super Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Cheltenham, England
Posts: 2,913
The International House of Mojo Staff LFN Staff Member 
It's misleading to say that hardcore drugs are addictive. Certainly things like Heroin are, but that's not going to appeal to the casual experimenter - I mean, who wants to stick a needle in their arm? I would say that the more common drugs (or at least ecstasy) aren't addictive, but rather you get addicted to the feeling they give you.

A club I spent a lot of time in last year was absolutely crammed with people on pills, and I have some experience in it. I've seen people take over 10 ecstasy in one night (the club does stay open until 7am) and before I saw this I thought that maybe 4 would be enough to kill you. Now I know a bit more about it, and it's pretty horrible because most of the tablets are filled with Ketamine (which tastes horrible) but they still give you a kick. A load of them have speed in them too, which just goes to show you never know what you're getting.

I know if there was a legal form of pure MDMA then I'd take a lot of it, because it produces an excellent feeling. But I also know that's not going to happen, and I understand that. As for hallucinogens (though, after about 6 E's you will start to see things) they're a lot more dangerous. When you see things that aren't there and stuff, you are in a bad place.


LucasTones - LT - elTee
The International House of Mojo - writing long-winded gibberish increasingly infrequently
elTee is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-24-2004, 02:02 PM   #7
Kj°len
Resident Polak
 
Kj°len's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,916
Current Game: Monkey Island
10 year veteran! Forum Veteran Folder extraordinaire 
drugs = bad
caffiene = ok
alcohol = meh


"Kj°len is a pretty cool guy. 'e doesn't afraid of anything and 'e doesn't anything about anything."
―Kj°len

* Ye Olde Harbour * Aresen *
Kj°len is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-24-2004, 04:44 PM   #8
JofaGuht
 
JofaGuht's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 938
Dude, alcohol is a drug. I hate how it is put into a separate catagory.

But then again, catagorization is an issue. I know I didn't help with how I started the thread, but there is so many different drugs that if you put alcohol in its own catagory, then put the different drugs in their own catagory as well.

My stance on this subject is varied. That's why I started the thread. I would tell all I feel about it right now if I had two hours. Anyway...let's keep hearing from you guys.


There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing? Not a speck of light is showing, so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a-glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes, the danger must be growing 'cause the rowers keep on rowing, and they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing. AAAGGHHH!!!
JofaGuht is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-25-2004, 05:04 AM   #9
DrMcCoy
Senior Member
 
DrMcCoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Braunschweig, Germany
Posts: 2,036
Current Game: nethack
10 year veteran! Forum Veteran 
well, i drink a lot of coffee (especially when i have a "programming run")... and i sometimes (like 3-4 times a year) i drink booze just for the hell of it (*shrug* i find it somewhat interesting...)...
but i would never do any "real" drugs (real in "s because alcohol is a drug but, well, i don't see it in another catagory... don't know...) and i would never smoke...

EDIT:

argl, it should be "i see it in another catagory"... it doesn't make seen the other way...
maybe i should read my postings before submitting it...




if(!strcmp(nick, "DrMcCoy") && !strcmp(avatar, "Spock")) return E_INSANE;

Last edited by DrMcCoy; 09-25-2004 at 12:16 PM.
DrMcCoy is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-25-2004, 11:38 AM   #10
Darth Groovy
The Dapper Zabrak
 
Darth Groovy's Avatar
 
Status: Administrator
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Joliet, IL, USA
Posts: 11,297
Current Game: Awaiting Greatness from PS4!
10 year veteran! Hot Topic Starter LFN Staff Member LucasCast staff 
Quote:
Originally posted by Skinkie
Drugs are bad. That's my stance. I've seen quite a few people go downhill because of them.
Same with me. I lost a lot of dear freinds to the stuff, so I never touched any of them.
Darth Groovy is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-25-2004, 12:07 PM   #11
elTee
beatnik
 
elTee's Avatar
 
Status: Super Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Cheltenham, England
Posts: 2,913
The International House of Mojo Staff LFN Staff Member 
The reason alcohol, nicotine and caffeine are always categorised differently is because they're not illegal.


LucasTones - LT - elTee
The International House of Mojo - writing long-winded gibberish increasingly infrequently
elTee is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-25-2004, 02:00 PM   #12
Feral
Old fart
 
Feral's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Leeds, England
Posts: 2,264
Current Game: FM2007. Perpetually.
Quote:
Originally posted by RayJones
.. and i don't think it's worse than alcohol..
I agree, but I'm less against alcohol (though I don't drink myself) as it's societally acceptable...hey, at least I'll admit it.


Feral is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-27-2004, 12:44 AM   #13
Puphlicus
Banned
 
Puphlicus's Avatar
 
Status: Banned
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 25
Let me tell you about a person I've met. He was a drug user. He was actively involved in a gang rape. He's been to gaol - but only for using drugs, he's never been convicted of rape.

And then the fu_cking Greens and other whacked-out parties want to create safe-injecting rooms and not put these people in gaol. This man eventually got off drugs. And when he did he realized with disgust that it made him a rapist.

He told his wife, who subsequently separated, committed multiple affairs with other women (none lasted longer than 5 years), and finally divorced him. Both their children started using drugs at 12.

True story.
Puphlicus is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-27-2004, 01:00 AM   #14
Alien426
'll take away your bucket
 
Alien426's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: the black
Posts: 2,037
> And when he did he realized with disgust that it made him a rapist.

That's bullshÝt. Drugs don't make you do anything. The only crimes related to drug use are the ones that people commit to get the money for the shÝt. When he raped someone it was because he wanted to do it. He used his addiction as an excuse.



more info on drugs

Alien426 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-27-2004, 04:31 AM   #15
Sivy
coming soon
 
Sivy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 7,314
Forum Veteran 
yeah
drugs lower people's inhibitions. so people do do things they wouldn't normally do. however they still have to want to do them in the first place.
Sivy is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-27-2004, 04:36 AM   #16
Puphlicus
Banned
 
Puphlicus's Avatar
 
Status: Banned
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 25
So I suppose we can ignore statistics that show countries which allow citizens to carry firearms have higher homicide rates because "you can't blame the gun"? Nup, sorry - doesn't work like that.

It changes the nature of things. For instance, I could really hate a woman. All my mates might hate her too. But that's as far as it goes. But when we're intoxicated that hate is turned to aggression. To loathing after power...
Puphlicus is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-27-2004, 05:12 AM   #17
Ray Jones
[armleglegarmhead]
 
Ray Jones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: digital
Posts: 8,256
10 year veteran! LF Jester Helpful! Forum Veteran 
Quote:
drugs lower people's inhibitions. so people do do things they wouldn't normally do. however they still have to want to do them in the first place.
except there is a lot of lsd/mushrooms in the game.. .. i doubt if you see things which arent there, it's not really about "wanting" anything anymore.

that's why i stay(ed) away from those kind of things.

ecstasy seems to have only one positive side i think: some girls get horny as if there would be no tomorrow. on the other hand i've seen many "relationships" going downhill because of that. and it makes incredibly DUMB. not to speak for the risks of liver/kidney harms and changings in your brain.

the same goes speed/amphetamines. also, the p.e.n.i.s. shrinks to nothing while it's "active"

cocaine is way to expensive but for a long night it seems to be the best option for me. also because you can take a really good sleep after all, not like a three nights nightmare afer one night with speed. but in fact cocaine is on a certain level not the best "club-drug" because people just get on your nerves. especially if the club is pumped because dj hell is in town .. ;D

anyways, i dont mind taking a spliff instead of a beer, in fact i'd prefer the spliff since i dont really like the "alcohol-trip". there was a time when i smoked every day but those are long gone by..

so the best party i ever had was like a giant spliff/martini/line loop, one of those private events with house/pool/playstation/turntables flair ^___^;;;;;;

but remember .. a good party is not about the drugs..

and dont be stupid and do it on a regular basis.


Ray Jones is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-27-2004, 05:34 AM   #18
Puphlicus
Banned
 
Puphlicus's Avatar
 
Status: Banned
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 25
don't be stupid and do it at all!
Puphlicus is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-27-2004, 05:57 AM   #19
Alien426
'll take away your bucket
 
Alien426's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: the black
Posts: 2,037
Quote:
Originally posted by Puphlicus
So I suppose we can ignore statistics that show countries which allow citizens to carry firearms have higher homicide rates because "you can't blame the gun"? Nup, sorry - doesn't work like that.
1. What's your point?
2. Care to back up your claimed statistics?

I happen to side with Michael Moore in his resume that the amount of guns or the laws concerning them have little to do with homicide rates.

In the German town of Erfurt a (supposedly) single student killed 16 people with firearms. Compare that to Columbine's 13 fatalities. Germany has quite strict gun control.

Alien426 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-27-2004, 12:56 PM   #20
JofaGuht
 
JofaGuht's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 938
The best site for drug info is erowid. It's got no propoganda.


There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing? Not a speck of light is showing, so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a-glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes, the danger must be growing 'cause the rowers keep on rowing, and they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing. AAAGGHHH!!!
JofaGuht is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-28-2004, 02:58 PM   #21
elTee
beatnik
 
elTee's Avatar
 
Status: Super Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Cheltenham, England
Posts: 2,913
The International House of Mojo Staff LFN Staff Member 
That site reminded me of a site I used to go to a lot, and I managed to find it again:

These stories about acid are amusing and interesting, and I found them very useful.


LucasTones - LT - elTee
The International House of Mojo - writing long-winded gibberish increasingly infrequently
elTee is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-28-2004, 05:44 PM   #22
Guybrush122
plays it bogart
 
Guybrush122's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: new york
Posts: 2,584
My feelings on drugs, cigarettes, and alcohol is an interesting issue, in that, my initial thought on them is that they are bad, wrong, and I am very skeptical of any teenager who abuses them. Again, I also agree alcohol is a drug, but I do put in a seperate category because I think being specific is important. However, these feelings I have really tend to change and go with the flow, however to this day I've never used drugs or been drunk (actually, one time I was a little tipsy, but that was because my parents overestimated how much liquor I could hold...my parents are wine and liquor afficionados but are very opposed to drug abuse and excessive drinking, so i've grown up around it and comfortable with it). Anyway, most, if not all, of my friends drink and smoke weed, and most 'occasionally' smoke cigarettes. I remain one of the three or four upper-classmen in my highschool who do not use at least one of the afore-mentioned drug. Alcohol is the most widely used drug in my school. Surprisingly, a fair amount of freshman and sophomores don't do these things, which was certainly not the case last year or the year before that. Anyway. I've seen my best friend grow to fall in love with weed, get drunk off his ass constantly, and, while away at military school, become addicted to cocaine. When he was caught with a considerable amount of vodka and coke in his system, he was expelled and sent home. He said he only did coke once, but later confessed that he did it multiple times almost every day for about five months. He started living with his grandparents just for a week or so, and went through withdrawl there. He said he was sweating sticky yellow liquid. Yum.

This, along with horrifying stories of my unbearibly alcoholic grandfather whom I never knew, has solidified my opinion on alcohol, cigarettes, and drugs. However, since most of my friends do abuse drugs, I've become a lot more tolerant of them. In fact, almost 100% tolerant, because I realize they aren't anywhere near the same category as my best friend or my grandfather. They are drinking, getting stoned, and smoking because they're teenagers and they like it and they want to. There's a problem with that when you get addicted or when it becomes an obsession, other than that, as long as you're careful, it's fine.

Caffeine is an entirely different story. I have loads of it in Diet Coke and especially Coffee, but would never take it in pill-form. I don't honestly view it as 'drug use' or 'drug abuse' if you're drinking it in coffee or a soda or whatever. If you're popping pills to stay awake, that's one thing, if you're drinking coffee so you can do your homework, that's another. I think, and mind you I'm sixteen so I'm still very jejune, it's a lot harder for caffeine to become a problem or even be abused than it is for alcohol, weed, or hard drugs to be a problem.

I don't know anything about 'in-between' drugs like esctacy, cause there's not a lot of that here, as far as I know. Esctacy is all New Jersey, heh.


I can't seem to think up a good signature.
Guybrush122 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-28-2004, 06:04 PM   #23
Das Mole
Das Me
 
Das Mole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: a pool of vomit
Posts: 2,695
10 year veteran! Forum Veteran 
drugs=big no-no, i'd never do them. and even if i somehow got into drugs, it would probably only be cigarettes, b/c you can't die from that. well, lung cancer, but...yeah.

alcohol=who cares, as long as you don't get drunk as hell and kill yourself. i personally don't care if someone drinks alcohol, i think alcohol is fine, as long as you can keep control of yourself. and as long as you don't drink and drive. you know, it's really ironic, b/c i would say that it would be fine if a guy had a beer and his bac was still below .08, for him to go and drive. but then, if a friend of mine was hit and got killed by that guy after he had been drinking his beer, and even if his bac was only at .01, i wouldn't say "oh, it was just an accident even though you were drinking a beer", i'd blame him for being drunk, although, if you want to be technical about it, he wasn't. so...the whole thing is messed up. but for the most part, i say who cares if you drank some wine or a beer or wadeva.
Das Mole is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-28-2004, 11:45 PM   #24
Alien426
'll take away your bucket
 
Alien426's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: the black
Posts: 2,037
Well, most as all the others here I think that alcohol should be considered a drug. But outlawing drugs is another issue. Alcohol can be very harmful to your body.

I do sometimes drink beer or wine, but very rarely. Every now and then I buy a case of wheat beer, but that lasts like half a year. Cause unlike caffeine which I don't register at all, alcohol does have an effect on me. I don't get drunk easily, but I get tired. So the only time I do drink at all would be on weekends and then I consider either drinking a beer and going to bed early or staying up till tomorrow playing games/watching TV/'coding'. Then I drink a Coke.

I do sometimes smoke small cigars. But that's the same as with alc. I tried ciggies, but you can't really compare them with Moods. Small cigars taste good and everybody likes the smell of their smoke. Of course they are more expensive, too.

Alien426 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-29-2004, 03:39 AM   #25
DrMcCoy
Senior Member
 
DrMcCoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Braunschweig, Germany
Posts: 2,036
Current Game: nethack
10 year veteran! Forum Veteran 
Quote:
Originally posted by Alien426
Small cigars taste good and everybody likes the smell of their smoke.
no, because i don't...




if(!strcmp(nick, "DrMcCoy") && !strcmp(avatar, "Spock")) return E_INSANE;
DrMcCoy is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-29-2004, 04:58 AM   #26
JofaGuht
 
JofaGuht's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 938
Yeah, we've all got that one family member with that drug history. My uncle Tom was a rich bastard but died of a heroin overdose. He own around four or five cars, but for some strange reason, they were all Mazda 626s.


There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing? Not a speck of light is showing, so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a-glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes, the danger must be growing 'cause the rowers keep on rowing, and they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing. AAAGGHHH!!!
JofaGuht is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-29-2004, 06:22 AM   #27
Alien426
'll take away your bucket
 
Alien426's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: the black
Posts: 2,037
Quote:
Originally posted by DrMcCoy
no, because i don't...
I said small cigars taste good and everybody likes the smell of their smoke!!

Alien426 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-30-2004, 12:16 AM   #28
DrMcCoy
Senior Member
 
DrMcCoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Braunschweig, Germany
Posts: 2,036
Current Game: nethack
10 year veteran! Forum Veteran 
Quote:
Originally posted by Alien426
I said small cigars taste good and everybody likes the smell of their smoke!!
yeah, i know... and i proofed that theory of yours wrong when i said that i don't like their stink/smell...
so what's your point?





if(!strcmp(nick, "DrMcCoy") && !strcmp(avatar, "Spock")) return E_INSANE;
DrMcCoy is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-30-2004, 12:38 AM   #29
Alien426
'll take away your bucket
 
Alien426's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: the black
Posts: 2,037
Quote:
Originally posted by DrMcCoy
i said that i don't like their stink/smell...
Firstly, it wasn't a theory it was a statement.

You need to learn something about grammar as well. That sentence made no sense at all.

Here's what it should be like:
"i said that i do like them. i stink/smell."

Alien426 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-30-2004, 12:44 AM   #30
DrMcCoy
Senior Member
 
DrMcCoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Braunschweig, Germany
Posts: 2,036
Current Game: nethack
10 year veteran! Forum Veteran 
Quote:
Originally posted by Alien426
Firstly, it wasn't a theory it was a statement.
a wrong statement...

Quote:
Originally posted by Alien426
You need to learn something about grammar as well. That sentence made no sense at all.
you neither...

Quote:
Originally posted by Alien426
"[...] i stink/smell."
Du solltest nicht von dich auf andere schlie▀en!
(something like: you shouldn't conclude from your current state to my...)





if(!strcmp(nick, "DrMcCoy") && !strcmp(avatar, "Spock")) return E_INSANE;
DrMcCoy is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 09-30-2004, 01:06 PM   #31
JofaGuht
 
JofaGuht's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 938
Yay! I love it when intellegent political debates go corrupt and become barely sensical rants!

But seriously folks.....

Just to point out, cigarette smoke smells way of a hell lot worse in Europe. yuk.


There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing? Not a speck of light is showing, so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a-glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes, the danger must be growing 'cause the rowers keep on rowing, and they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing. AAAGGHHH!!!
JofaGuht is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-04-2004, 02:53 AM   #32
Joshi
Registered Amuser
 
Joshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Wherever the wind takes me... or failing that the nearest cinema.
Posts: 7,196
LFN Staff Member 
Kids, don't do drugs, drugs are bad and harmful, don't do them.

Not unless you wanna look cool.

Joshi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-04-2004, 04:33 AM   #33
DrMcCoy
Senior Member
 
DrMcCoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Braunschweig, Germany
Posts: 2,036
Current Game: nethack
10 year veteran! Forum Veteran 
yeah, drugs are bad, mmmkay...
don't do drugs, mmmkay...
cause drugs are bad, mmmkay...

...




if(!strcmp(nick, "DrMcCoy") && !strcmp(avatar, "Spock")) return E_INSANE;
DrMcCoy is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-04-2004, 06:07 AM   #34
Alien426
'll take away your bucket
 
Alien426's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: the black
Posts: 2,037
"Somebody says, "You want some crack?" I say, "I was born with one, pal! I really don't need another one. Thank you very much! If I want the second crack, I'll give you a call, but for right now I'm sticking with the solo crackola, thank you!""
-- Denis Leary: No Cure for Cancer

Alien426 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-04-2004, 11:57 AM   #35
Emin3m 2
Rookie
 
Emin3m 2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 38
(I can't come up with an original way of saying it, so) Drugs are bad! Drugs are seriously unhealthy, pointless and a complete waste of money. Anyone who does drugs is lacking either education, maturity, intelligence or the ability to deal with problems in life properly. There are so many dumbass teens, who can't think for themselves and start doing drugs because their "friends" tell them to or because some superficial celebrity they idolize is doing it.

Smoking is also bad, although it's less harmful than (other?) drugs. It depresses me that so many teens and pre-teens start smoking. From what I've noticed in my school, teens who are less educated and their brainless, conformative friends tend to like smoking more than others.

I think alcohol is bad too, especially when you drink too much. A lot of accidents, vehicle accidents, murders, fights etc could be easily avoided if some people didn't get drunk.

Yeah, I am against doing drugs, smoking and drinking alcohol. These are really bad habits, in my opinion. I don't even like the smell of cigars or the taste of alcoholic drinks. I don't even like beer that doesn't contain alcohol.


The Pink Elephant
Emin3m 2 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-04-2004, 03:39 PM   #36
elTee
beatnik
 
elTee's Avatar
 
Status: Super Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Cheltenham, England
Posts: 2,913
The International House of Mojo Staff LFN Staff Member 
Quote:
Originally posted by Emin3m 2
Anyone who does drugs is lacking either education, maturity, intelligence or the ability to deal with problems in life properly.
This simply isn't true. I accept that a lot of people take drugs as an easy way to escape problems they might have, but that's not the reason everyone does it. I know for a fact that people take drugs simply because they have an open mind and want to experience something that simply cannot be experienced without the drug. Would Pink Floyd or Emerson Lake and Palmer have made the music they made without tripping out? No. I'm not saying the acid somehow made them better musicians, but it certainly opened their minds to ideas that they wouldn't have ever concieved without the effects of the drug.

Quote:
Originally posted by Emin3m 2
Smoking is also bad, although it's less harmful than (other?) drugs.
Sure, some drugs will kill you - but I'd say that smoking is pretty much the only drug that definately has more bad aspects than good aspects. I've smoked the occassional cigarette, and while it does calm you, it's nothing a cup of tea doesn't offer. However, then you have the coughing, and the smell, and not to mention lung cancer if you smoke regularly. LSD, on the other hand, a class A drug, hasn't actually been proven to have any adverse long-term effects. If you are say, schizophrenic, LSD might induce this, but it's only a catalyst - it's not like if you don't take the LSD, you will never have a seizure or whatever, it just makes you have one NOW instead of LATER.


LucasTones - LT - elTee
The International House of Mojo - writing long-winded gibberish increasingly infrequently
elTee is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-04-2004, 07:48 PM   #37
JofaGuht
 
JofaGuht's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 938
I agree with lucastones. Though I don't think hallucinogens will always give someone a "freer mind"(though on occasions it may help if you want a freer mind), it's good to point out that some of you are being a little judgmental. Those who say all people who drugs are stupid are following the propagando that is wasting 200 billion dollars a year in the US. Many people choose to do drugs on their own terms and in a safe fashion.

Also keep in mind the historical impact drugs have made. The late sixtes was a real revolution and drugs were definitely part of that.


There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing? Not a speck of light is showing, so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a-glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes, the danger must be growing 'cause the rowers keep on rowing, and they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing. AAAGGHHH!!!
JofaGuht is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-05-2004, 10:58 AM   #38
simian
Rookie
 
simian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: UK.
Posts: 45
Quote:
Would Pink Floyd or Emerson Lake and Palmer have made the music they made without tripping out?
Sounds like a very good reason not to take drugs.


time for beer
simian is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-05-2004, 07:40 PM   #39
JofaGuht
 
JofaGuht's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 938
Quote:
Originally posted by simian
Sounds like a very good reason not to take drugs.
Grrrrrr....Don't worry, I won't flame you for that, someone will eventually. I don't care too much. After all, Wakeman does totally kick Emerson's ass.


There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing? Not a speck of light is showing, so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a-glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes, the danger must be growing 'cause the rowers keep on rowing, and they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing. AAAGGHHH!!!
JofaGuht is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-06-2004, 05:08 PM   #40
elTee
beatnik
 
elTee's Avatar
 
Status: Super Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Cheltenham, England
Posts: 2,913
The International House of Mojo Staff LFN Staff Member 
Well if we're going to start talking about this I have to point out that King Crimson are the best, prog-wise. I only didn't mention them because I'm not entirely sure they were on LSD... I think Robert Fripp is just a little weird.


LucasTones - LT - elTee
The International House of Mojo - writing long-winded gibberish increasingly infrequently
elTee is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Post a new thread. Add a reply to this thread. Indicate all threads in this forum as read. Subscribe to this forum. RSS feed: this forum RSS feed: all forums
Go Back   LucasForums > Network > Monkey Island Discussion > Random Fun > Ye Olde Harbour > The Drug Debate

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:17 PM.

LFNetwork, LLC ©2002-2011 - All rights reserved.
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.