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Old 03-18-2005, 03:53 PM   #1
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Terri Schiavo's feeding tube removed. (and now put back)

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I had hope for her too.

Lets remove the husbands feeding tube.

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Old 03-18-2005, 03:56 PM   #2
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Finally she can be relieved.

The parents are idiots, and the husband is also a moron.


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Old 03-18-2005, 07:06 PM   #3
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Pfft. Could have done it sooner. Before you guys get pissed, this is what Im thinkin':


15 years as a vegtable?

What are you gonna do with a guy who has been in a vegitable state for 15 years and will never recover?
Why should they keep taking up (I assume) a few million dollars to keep a woman alive whos only possesion is her pulse? If this is covered by the insurance company, that money could go to others, like people who need heart transplants, or have cancer or something.

Sometimes I belive this stuff is okay.

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Old 03-18-2005, 07:25 PM   #4
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She is not a vegetable, she has brain damage.

She can still see, smile, sit up, follow objects with her eyes, recognise family, ect.

Doesn't sound like a vegetable to me.
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I'm very very torn between this. There is a website

http://www.saveterri.com/


In which you can see the videos of her - now some argue these have been spliced from hours and hours of footage.

After seeing the footage I feel that she should be left alive - after all it is only a feeding tube. How can you let someone starve to death for 2 - 4 weeks?? I mean if you want her to die - we don't even let people do this dogs. We give them the shot - so why should we allow the courts and her husband to starve her to death?


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Old 03-18-2005, 11:49 PM   #6
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She is not a vegetable, she has brain damage.
Right, and I'm Ron Jeremy.

I suggest before anyone even begins to think about throwing opinion in this thread, you sit down and review ACTUAL case material. I suggest you start with the Guardian Ad Litem report filed by the doctor comissioned by the government to assess Teri Schaivo's status (which in fact acts as a neutral party). If you want to go even further, attempt to access any opinon from a doctor with a clue, especially someone who has knowledge of the brain and it's functions.

And just for future reference, saveterri.com is nothing more than a slanted site favored towards the parents.

But at it's core, I'll have to agree with InsaneSith: both sides are idiots.

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After seeing the footage I feel that she should be left alive - after all it is only a feeding tube. How can you let someone starve to death for 2 - 4 weeks?? I mean if you want her to die - we don't even let people do this dogs. We give them the shot - so why should we allow the courts and her husband to starve her to death?
The problem is that society views euthanasia with animals differently from euthanasia with humans. Many states (if not all of them) have anti-assisted suicide laws (that is what it would fall under if Terry Schiavo was to be let go under any circumstance other than starvation/dehydration). For a while this all came under media scrutiny when Dr. Kevorkian was arrested/tried/sentence.

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Old 03-19-2005, 12:36 AM   #7
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And just for future reference, saveterri.com is nothing more than a slanted site favored towards the parents.
Yesh....

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"Terri Schiavo, found guilty of being disabled and wishing to die, will, on March the 18th, be executed by removal of her feeding tube."
Yes, sounds a little biased.

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Old 03-19-2005, 12:51 AM   #8
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Eh, it's not like it's permanent.

For the next two weeks anyway.




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Old 03-19-2005, 12:52 AM   #9
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Wow! People sure don't mind bandying on and on when it's something that doesn't involve them directly. Suddenly, everyone's an expert when they have no idea what this is like. Bravo to each and every LF user that's posted a half ass guesstimation in this thread so far. Which is basically to say bravo to you all, some of you more than others. Get this damned thing to the senate asap please. With sugar on top.


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Old 03-19-2005, 01:02 AM   #10
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She is not a vegetable, she has brain damage.

She can still see, smile, sit up, follow objects with her eyes, recognise family, ect.

Doesn't sound like a vegetable to me.
the level of recovery following brain damage is dependent on several factors. Chiefly the location and extent of brain tissue damage, and subsequent death(necrosis) of the neural tissue. The neural plasticity(or the ability of the brain to regenrate/adapt) is possible, but only in a very limited extent...

Having worked in neurological rehabilitation I have seen some amazing things and some very sad things Im not sure about the particulars of this case, but "execution by removal of feeding tube" sounds damn strange. Are they going to starve her to death ?? because that is equivalent to murder...

Surely they mean take her off her ventilation support, in which case she would die within a matter of minutes. Taking someone off life support is not illegal as they are being sustained by artifical means.. The chief qualifier for the pronouncement of clinical death is the lack of ability to self respirate and provide the brain/body with Oxygen...

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Old 03-19-2005, 01:13 AM   #11
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I don't approve of this at all. If they end up killing her, I'd like to starve the lot that thought that that was such a bright idea.

Execution by starvation my ass...

... ****ers.
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Old 03-19-2005, 01:52 AM   #12
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Wow! People sure don't mind bandying on and on when it's something that doesn't involve them directly. Suddenly, everyone's an expert when they have no idea what this is like. Bravo to each and every LF user that's posted a half ass guesstimation in this thread so far. Which is basically to say bravo to you all, some of you more than others. Get this damned thing to the senate asap please. With sugar on top.
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Old 03-19-2005, 02:13 AM   #13
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I don't approve of this at all. If they end up killing her, I'd like to starve the lot that thought that that was such a bright idea.

Execution by starvation my ass...

... ****ers.
Once again, I must reiterate my point from earlier.

The problem with the words cited from that biased opinion is the fact that it does not take societal views, such as the current dilemma of euthanasia, into account, thus blowing things out of proportion.

The reason why she is to be dehydrated/starved is due to the fact that society has not come up with anything more "humane" to end the life of a human. Sure, we can inject a substance into an animal to put it down, but if it comes to a human life, the only time we could do it is if the due process of the law has successfully deprived the individual found guilty of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (read: conviction followed by death sentence). This is obviously not the case, so she gets shafted over a societal issue.

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Wow! People sure don't mind bandying on and on when it's something that doesn't involve them directly. Suddenly, everyone's an expert when they have no idea what this is like. Bravo to each and every LF user that's posted a half ass guesstimation in this thread so far. Which is basically to say bravo to you all, some of you more than others. Get this damned thing to the senate asap please. With sugar on top.
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Old 03-19-2005, 02:30 AM   #14
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why don't they just cut the power to the whole damn place and let them all ****ing die!!!!!


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Old 03-19-2005, 03:04 AM   #15
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According to the doctors (who are the only ones with proper knowledge about the subject), Terri is a vegetable unable to notice or respond to anything that happens around her. What her parents alledges to be responding is, in fact, only reflexes.

In all good definitions of life and death, Terri is already dead. I'd say we stop tormenting her husband and let him bury her.


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Do you REALLY want me to start? I'm serious here, if you want to start digging at me I will gladly open up some potshots in return.
I'm sure in some alternate reality or timeline, like the Bizarro world or something, you could probably post something like that and find me intimidated. But this isn't Bizarro world, and I'm not skeert, so I'll leave you with a quote I like to use from time to time.

"You must do what you feel is right, of course."


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...."You must do what you feel is right, of course."
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Old 03-19-2005, 06:33 AM   #18
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Several experts have testified that she is in fact brain dead, and without 15 years of heroic artificial measures she would have died within hours of the attack that put her in this condition in the first place.
Her body is just an empty shell, existing on purely autonomic functions. Everything that made her her is gone.

Even if you really believe that there might be the slightest possibility of a spark of what she once was left buried in there somewhere, is the idea of another 15 years or more spent confined to a hospital room totally unable to communicate, or even control her most basic bodily functions something that you believe that most people would truly wish for themselves? Do you think someone would want to burden thier loved ones by having them watch you in that state every day? Do you think she might want her husband and her parents to be able to get on with thier lives after all this time by putting an end to an existance that is little more than a living death?


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Old 03-19-2005, 09:37 AM   #19
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It's about time. That collection of organs and cells plugged into a "feeding" tube wasn't human anymore. Terri Schiavo died 15 years ago and her body can finally catch up and the family can get on with their lives.

Many doctors and specialists testified that she was not aware or able to respond in anyway to suggest that she was. Her smile was a permanent grimace. Even if she were responsive, her cerbral cortex was gone, removing all hope for any kind of recovery.

But what amazes me the most is that it was her parents, through the use of the so-called "Religious Right" that pushed for her to remain in this perverted state rather than let her go. Aren't they supposed to be the *******s that believe their place in heaven is assured? The should have been fighting to have her tube removed so she could meet that mythylogical end!

Freakin' hypocrits.


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Old 03-19-2005, 10:01 AM   #20
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That money should go to something different rather than artifically keeping alive a dead body. Such as to cancer research. Or heart transplants. Or feed the poor in Sudan.


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But what amazes me the most is that it was her parents, through the use of the so-called "Religious Right" that pushed for her to remain in this perverted state rather than let her go. Aren't they supposed to be the *******s that believe their place in heaven is assured? They should have been fighting to have her tube removed so she could meet that mythylogical end!
And I'd say keeping a nearly dead person with no hope of recovery alive for 15 years is against the Bible, too .

Funny how religious activists only use the parts of their religion that suits them.

I say let her die. She's a vegetable and non-responsive.

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Sounds like an anti-abortionist on crack.


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Old 03-19-2005, 01:25 PM   #22
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why don't they just cut the power to the whole damn place and let them all ****ing die!!!!!
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Old 03-19-2005, 10:30 PM   #23
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I kinda feel bad about the situation. Every life has a purpose, in my opinion. I can think of several ways of how her "condition" can help others (please don't misunderstand this) you know, have some kind of impact on their lives. Like I said, don't take that the wrong way. This situation itself could change the world. Thats a big impact.

But I can also see how this must be aweful for her (if she even knows anything about anything...) and her family/husband.

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And I'd say keeping a nearly dead person with no hope of recovery alive for 15 years is against the Bible, too .
Considering they didn't have the tech back then to preserve a nearly dead person for 15 years... I don't know.

Jesus raised Lazerus from the dead to show a purpose and to bring glory to God, but this is a totally different situation. Many people were healed in the Bible. The difference is all those people made full recoveries, while this woman may not, unless through an act of God. Really. Medical science can only go so far, but I believe God can go further and do more than we can possibly imagine. I'll pray about it. Let His will be done.


Like Astrotoy7 said, it feels like murder... but I can also everyone's point of view here...
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Okay, so they take out her feeding tube, which is basically her life support, yet rather than dying peacefully, she will be starved to death? That just seems totally wrong.

I found out just this afternoon that my great-grandma died this way. She had cancer, and eventually they took away the tube, and let her starve. Now, I never even met her, but my Mom was very close to her, so this kind of hit home with me. Apparently my Mom didn't even find out until years later that that was how it happened, and that it was her mom who had made the decision.

A very sad situation.
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Okay, so they take out her feeding tube, which is basically her life support, yet rather than dying peacefully, she will be starved to death? That just seems totally wrong.
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Well, it's not like she can feel anything anymore, so that way to die is, for her sake, as good as any other.

Besides, you have to separate between active and passive enuthanasia.

- Passive enuthanasia is to remove life support. In other words, to stop artificially keeping alive another person. Not exactly murder.

- Active enuthanasia is to physically kill a person who'd otherwise be living. Such as an elderly who doesn't want to live any more.

In my book, passive enuthanasia is OK, but active isn't. So by me, removing the feeding tube is the only correct way to do it. What else should they do, plant a bullet in her forehead?


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Me too... i'll haunt their NES or something.

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I kinda feel bad about the situation. Every life has a purpose, in my opinion.
Maybe her purpose is to put a bit of humanity and compassion back into the system?

I'd say the courts made the right decision... though it is a shame we treat convicted murderers with more compassion than accident victims...

Its a shame that GW had to cut short his vacation though... and stir up the whole mess again.

BTW. At the moment on the MSNBC poll linked from that second article its 61% in favour of NOT reattaching the feeding tube.



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George Bush signed a bill last night that would allow Schiavo's parents to file a suit in Federal Court to keep her body in a persistant vegetative state rather than to die naturally (and allegedly ascend to heaven?).

The family filed an injunction right after Bush signed the paper.

"Meantime, 70 percent of Americans say Congress' action was inappropriate and 67 percent thought the elected officials were trying to keep Schiavo alive were doing so more for political advantage than out of concern for her or the principles involved"

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=600091

This is just another example of the politicians using wedge issues to secure their voters. This is the type of legislation and political action that ultimately affects a small percentage of the voting public, but effectively divides them and ensures that they vote for particular people in order to make their voices heard on issues that the media/politicians have encouraged them to feel passionate about.

Never mind that there are many, many issues that affect the majority of the voting public that the people they vote for may be screwing up royally!

In my opinion, this is how Bush secured his seat in the Whitehouse: the religious voters were too afraid to vote for anyone else because they thought that would equate to voting for abortion, an issue that ultimately affects a small percentage of the American population. Yet Bush has demonstrated his ability to royally screw Americans out of money and lives for years to come -those issues that affect the majority get pushed aside in favor of the "Wedge Issues."


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Interesting little snippet of propaganda on this case I found linked from Google news: http://www.lifenews.com/bio814.html

In the article it makes Terri seem not only aware of what's going on, but able to communicate her wishes on the matter. Kinda makes me stop and wonder what all the debate is about if she can talk and respond to questions. If that were really the case I don't think any doctor anywhere would ever allow a tube to be removed.

If these were the only news outlets that you were getting your info from then I can see why so many people are responding with horror at this situation.


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I actually heard that about 30 doctors say shes in a non-vegitative state, and about 5 doctors said she's in a vegitative state, so I don't know.

Oh, and i'm a christian and I should be able to tell you without explination that this talk about letting her die for "ascension into heaven" in this thread is comeplete and utter bull**** and is just an attempt to make us christians look like hyprocrites. 8)
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Wait a second... vegetable is a medical term? I thought it was a slang description. Couldn't they have thought up a much nicer term?

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I was thinking something simular to that.
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Oh, and i'm a christian and I should be able to tell you without explination that this talk about letting her die for "ascension into heaven" in this thread is comeplete and utter bull**** and is just an attempt to make us christians look like hyprocrites. 8)
I was under the impression that the religious right and christians that were quoting the RR position in the Schiavo case were doing a fine job of looking hypocritical all by themselves. I was just pointing it out.

Isn't heaven the goal? Isn't heaven a "better place?" Wouldn't it be logical to assume that a good christian would wish a "better place" for Terri than the state in which she is in:

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Completely paralyzed. Unable to effectively demonstrate cognition. Permanent damage (cerebral cortices don't grow back)=permanent state.

I'm saying that even though we're just worm food after death, it is preferrable to having to rely on food through a tube and someone to wipe your diapered ass for the rest of your life.

I don't think there's some god out there, but if there were, this would be the case of it "calling someone home" to a heaven, and if a hell exists, it would be the bed she'll be forced to exist in.


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Old 03-21-2005, 05:49 PM   #33
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That's pretty much the point I was trying to make in my first post: Even if a tiny bit of Terri is still concious in there somewhere, try to imagine the life she is leading right now: unable to control her own motor functions, unable to communicate with the rest of the planet, watching her loved ones over her every day essentially giving up thier own lives for hers, and staring at the ceiling the rest of the time. Is that an existance that anybody would want to live for 15 years? How about 15 more? 30 more? She has spent almost half her life in this state... it's hard for me to belive that she would really wish for it to continue if she could communicate a choice.
Her parents seem to be pinning all hope on her recovery. Personally I don't think there is any way she will recover... I belive they are setting themselves up for a further lifetime of disappointment and heartbreak, even worse than the've already been through, and for thier sake I honestly hope they fail in this. I think losing her right now would be the best thing that could happen to them.
I sincerely believe they truly think are really doing what's best for thier daughter and thier family, but I really think that it would serve everybody best if they let go quickly and got on with the real stages of mourning rather than dragging it out over interminable twilight years.
Any recovery she might make will be marginal at best, and would probably be even more heartrending than seeing her go relatively quickly.

How long can she be kept alive in this state anyway? Does anybody know?


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Copied this off of something someone copied of off someting someone posted.

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- Removing her nutrients will not cause her any pain. She has no cerebral cortex and therefore cannot feel hunger or thirst. It will be painless. And anyway, it's the only legal way to let her go.

- More than one court has ruled that she clearly did NOT want to live on life support, using the highest burden of proof possible to those courts. It is obviously her wish to die.

- Michael can get a divorce if he wants, but he doesn't want to. He is her guardian, and feels that he is obligated to carry out her wishes. If he turns her over to her family, they will not carry out her wishes. Her father has even said he is willing to "cut off her arms and legs and attach her to a ventilator" if that means she is willing to live.

- Michael receives nothing when she dies. Of the 1.2 Million malpractice suit in 1992 that was awarded to pay for her medical bills, almost all of it has been used for medical expenses. He also does not know how much left, as it is entrusted to a bank to pay out to doctors. He has repeatedly stated that if any is left, he will donate it to charity.

- She is a vegetable. She does not respond to anything. The videos that her parents (illegally) made show her responding in primitive ways that are simply muscle reflexes. Doctors have stated that rubbing the back of her neck (as her mother does) can produce a "smile" like the one in the video... therefore, she is not smiling because her mother is talking to her, and she has emotions (she does not have emotions), she is smiling because her mother is rubbing the back of her neck. Anyhow, out of the four hours that they illegally recorded, we only see a few seconds. What about the countless other actions that go completely unresponded to?

- Her parents are lunatics. They believe now that a speech therapist can help her talk again. She has no cerebral cortex and is severely brain damaged. She cannot talk. She has nothign to say, because she does not think. Even if she did have something to say, she couldn't, because there is no way for her brain to communicate to the muscles of her mouth that she wants to talk. Because her brain is not functioning properly.
Seems to me that this would be the best way to go.

And as a side note, I'm really bloody tired of all the media coverage. I love how some of the media says that "Oh noes, the government shouldn't be intervening on such a personal and subjective case that is really only the concern of those involved." That is such hypocrisy. The media eats this stuff up. Every time I turn on the TV, I see yapping idiots talking about the Schiavo case. Everytime I go on the web for news, I see poor Terri's face plastered all over the news networks. Enough already. Leave them the hell alone. It's their business and their business only.

Goddamn vultures.




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I agree with my Rogue-ish friend.


I even saw ads on websites with things like "Do you think removing Terri's tube was right yes or no?"

Just wait for them to add your free iPod offer to it like they do that Bush/Kerry crap.


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That post Rogue-nine copied in pretty much sums the whle thing up. Its disgraceful the way the politicians are using such a unique case to try and win voters.... people should never decide who to vote for based on a single unique situation.

So is the tube back in permanently? Or just until the NEXT judge makes a decision.

Aparently she was removed from a ventilator for 6 days a few years back, and two days a while before that. Then the parents managed to appeal it again. Talk about selfish parents only thinking of themselves....

(as an aside, its like in the UK at the moment where one party is threatening to withdraw from the WHOLE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT in order to prevent 1,500 travelers (in the whole country) from putting caravans where we don't them. Talk about a wedge issue that affects less than 0.1% of the population...)



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By VICKIE CHACHERE, Associated Press Writer

TAMPA, Fla. - A federal judge on Tuesday refused to order the reinsertion of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube, denying an emergency request from the brain-damaged woman's parents. The parents' lawyer quickly filed a notice of appeal, and the woman's husband also filed new court documents.


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The ruling by U.S. District Judge James Whittemore came after feverish action by President Bush (news - web sites) and Congress on legislation allowing the contentious case to be reviewed by federal courts. The judge said the 41-year-old woman's parents had not established a "substantial likelihood of success" at trial on the merits of their arguments.

The notice of appeal was filed electronically hours later with the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) in Atlanta by David Gibbs III, an attorney for Terri Schiavo's parents. The notice tells the court that the full appeal will follow. That court was already considering an appeal on whether Terri Schiavo's right to due process had been violated.

Even before the parents' full appeal was filed, Michael Schiavo said in a filing with the appeals court that his wife's rights would be violated if the judges ordered nutrition restored while considering whether the feeding tube, removed last Friday, should be permanently reconnected.

"That would be a horrific intrusion upon Mrs. Schiavo's personal liberty, and the status quo should therefore be maintained until this court issues its final ruling," said the filing by Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos. The status quo — with the feeding tube removed — could continue for a couple of days without harming Terri Schiavo, the filing argued.

Felos also told the judges he would appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) if the tube is ordered reconnected on a temporary basis.

In his early morning ruling, Whittemore wrote that Schiavo's "life and liberty interests" had been protected by Florida courts. Despite "these difficult and time strained circumstances," he wrote, "this court is constrained to apply the law to the issues before it."

No further hearings were scheduled before Whittemore.

The Bush administration "would have preferred a different ruling," White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters in Albuquerque, N.M., where the president was visiting a senior center.

"We hope that they would be able to have relief through the appeals process," McClellan said.

While Rex Sparklin, another attorney for the parents, said the appeal was needed to "save Terri's life," Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) of Florida, praised the ruling.

"What this judge did is protect the freedom of people to make their own end-of-life decisions without the intrusion of politicians," Simon said.

Bobby Schindler, Terri Schiavo's brother, said his family was crushed. "To have to see my parents go through this is absolutely barbaric," he told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Tuesday. "I'd love for these judges to sit in a room and see this happening as well."

Scott Schiavo, Michael Schiavo's brother, called the judge's decision "a good thing," and said he did not believe Congress should have intervened.

"There's not a law that's made for this," Scott Schiavo said in a telephone interview. "This is something that goes on 100 times a day in our country, that people, their wish to die with dignity is not a federal issue."

The tube was disconnected Friday on the orders of a state judge, prompting an extraordinary weekend effort by congressional Republicans to push through unprecedented emergency legislation Monday aimed at keeping her alive.

Louise Cleary, a spokeswoman for Woodside Hospice, said she could not discuss Terri Schiavo's condition Tuesday. "To honor the privacy of all of our patients, we couldn't comment," Cleary said.



Gov. Jeb Bush was described by a spokeswoman as "extremely disappointed and saddened" by the federal judge's decision not to order the tube reconnected. "Gov. Bush will continue to do what he legally can within his powers to protect Terri Schiavo, a vulnerable person," said spokeswoman Alia Faraj.

Terri Schiavo did not have a living will. Her husband has fought in courts for years to have the tube removed because, he said, she would not want to be kept alive artificially and she has no hope for recovery. Her parents contend she responds to them and that her condition could improve.

Court-appointed doctors say she is in a persistent vegetative state with no hope of recovery. Doctors have said she could survive one to two weeks without the feeding tube.

Gibbs argued at a Monday hearing in front of Whittemore that letting Terri Schiavo starve would be "a mortal sin" under her Roman Catholic beliefs and urged quick action: "Terri may die as I speak."

But Felos argued that keeping the woman alive also violated her rights and noted that the case has been aired thoroughly in state courts.

"Yes, life is sacred," Felos said. "So is liberty, particularly in this country."

Michael Schiavo said he was outraged that lawmakers and the president intervened in a private matter. "When Terri's wishes are carried out, it will be her wish. She will be at peace. She will be with the Lord," he said on CNN's "Larry King Live" late Monday.

Terri Schiavo suffered brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped briefly. Her collapse was later linked to a potassium imbalance believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder. A successful malpractice lawsuit argued that doctors had failed to diagnose the eating disorder. She can breathe on her own, but has relied on the feeding tube to keep her alive.

According to a CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll of 909 adults taken over the weekend, nearly six in 10 people said they think the feeding tube should be removed and felt they would want to remove it for a child or spouse in the same condition.
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Key facts in the Schiavo life-support controversy

Who she is: Terri Schiavo, now 41, collapsed in her home in 1990. Her heart temporarily stopped, cutting off oxygen to her brain. Her husband, Michael, won more than $1 million from a malpractice suit two years later. The husband's lawyer said her collapse was caused by a potassium imbalance brought on by an eating disorder, although her parents say that's not true.

What the dispute is about: Whether her life should be ended by withdrawing her feeding and hydration tube. The tube was taken out Friday, and her parents want it restored. Schiavo is locked in what some doctors say is a persistent vegetative state. Others, including her parents, insist she is minimally conscious because she smiles and seems to respond in other ways.

Who wants to remove life support: Michael Schiavo, guardian for his wife. Before her collapse, he says, she had expressed the wish not to be kept alive artificially if the situation ever arose.

Who wants to retain life support: Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, who don't believe Michael Schiavo's statements about his wife's wishes. They say their daughter, a Roman Catholic, would not disobey church teachings on the matter.

Why no compromise is likely: The battle between Terri Schiavo's husband and parents has been bitter. The Schindlers argue that Michael Schiavo--who has fathered two children with his fiance in recent years--is an unfit guardian and has a conflict of interest. Michael Schiavo alleges that Bob Schindler sought a share of the malpractice settlement, which he denies. The money is gone, much of it spent on legal bills related to Michael Schiavo's efforts to end life support.

The legal fight: Florida courts have ruled consistently for Michael Schiavo. Florida's Supreme Court last year struck down "Terri's Law," which let Gov. Jeb Bush intervene in the case.

The latest: Early Monday, Congress passed and President Bush signed a bill that gives federal courts jurisdiction regarding the withholding of "food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary" to sustain Terri Schiavo, who is named in the bill.

What happens next: An attorney for Schiavo's parents has filed a request to a federal appeals court to have the tube reinserted once the bill is signed. If no court action is taken, Schiavo could be expected to live one or two weeks after the removal of the tube.
From an earlier article on the same site (Yahoo news).

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http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7974198

At least is wasn't the top article on the front page. :/

edit: Damn you, Kurgan! Reuters is the more reputable news source anyway!





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And to the people complaining that this doesn't affect anyone, I think the point here is that it sets a precedent, whatever the outcome. And legal precedent is very important in law, at least American law.


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At least is wasn't the top article on the front page. :/

edit: Damn you, Kurgan! Reuters is the more reputable news source anyway!

Jealous? I didn't know you were posting. I had to edit the post because they "updated" the article as I was posting it. One of the articles I posted was AP, so heh.


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Exactly right Kurgan, this one woman can/will impact the whole world.
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