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Old 05-21-2005, 03:40 PM   #1
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Grrrrrrrr, I HATE MACE AND OBI!! ((MAJOR SPOILERS!))

I loved the two characters untill episode three. When I saw Mace go with other jedi to Palpatine's office, Mace said ARREST! Instead, he was going to kill him. That made me mad. ANd on Mustufar, when Obi just left ANi to die there, even after seeing him combust like that, he just walks away. That made me mad, dont you think he'd do something to save his old friend? I belive that THAT was what decided Obi's death from ANi. Now, it's your turn to post what you HATED about Episode three and who is good but seems to do things that are evil. It was because of this that I hated Mace and Obi.


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Old 05-21-2005, 04:07 PM   #2
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The thing that annoyed me the most was when Vader shouted NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Sounded totally lame.
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Old 05-21-2005, 04:19 PM   #4
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Mace made a wise decision to reconsider arresting him. Many people died because of the sith lord and now that he's finally discouvered, one knows he owns the senate. He could never get arrested and would turn the senate against the jedi anyways as he later did. He had to die.

Obi-Wan is extremely dissapointed. "You were the chosen one". He saw how Anakin killed younglins and tried to kill Ovi-Wan himself. As Obi-Wan later says in EP IV; Anakin was no longer. He's stepping away from Vader.


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Old 05-21-2005, 06:08 PM   #5
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I don't understand why Vader told Padme that they could overthrow the Emperor. Just before that Vader was telling Palpatine that he will do whatever he wished.
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I was also surprised that Obi left Anikan to die to, I guess he thought there was no hope to save him, from his wounds or from the dark side.

There were some other minor parts I thought could have been done better, Like making the fight between Mace and co. VS palpatine more of a fight by allowing some of the other jedi to at least fight before getting slaughtered. Also the battle of Kshyyyk could have been more in depth, they really didnt show that much of it.

The part where Darth screamed NOOOOOO I didnt really like either, It just didnt seem like the kind of thing Darth Vader would do, of course he wasn't the Darth Vader from the later movies yet


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Old 05-21-2005, 07:37 PM   #7
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I don't understand why Vader told Padme that they could overthrow the Emperor. Just before that Vader was telling Palpatine that he will do whatever he wished.
He wanted the power to save Padme. His overconfidence in his power when with Padme deluded him into belief that he could already save her. But the truth was his new power was the reason for her death.


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Old 05-21-2005, 07:40 PM   #8
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I was also surprised that Obi left Anikan to die to, I guess he thought there was no hope to save him, from his wounds or from the dark side.
He didn't leave Anakin, he left Vader. Vader had already consumed Anakin. With Padme's death all good that was in him was trapped inside, surrounded by the hate. It wasn't until Luke came, and showed the strength Anakin had, but refused to use. Luke is the alternate Anakin.


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Old 05-21-2005, 07:59 PM   #9
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I was surprised Ani tried to force grip padme. I thought they were lovers and in the end it was ani turning to the dark side that made her die. And what happened with they whole thing that vadar couldnt breathe and yet he survived the operation that could have taken many hours.


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Old 05-21-2005, 08:18 PM   #10
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The force kept him alive in my opinion.
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Old 05-21-2005, 08:29 PM   #11
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But then that raises the question, why did he die on Ep VI when luke took his helmet off.


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Yeh, like Sith said, Obi didn't leave his friend. His friend died, Anakin died when he helped kill Mace.


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Old 05-21-2005, 08:36 PM   #13
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Thats true. Anikan died and became darth vadar when mace was killed. Obi-wan left a enemy but a enemy he knew and loved.


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Thats what I basicly ment, Obi thought that there was no hope for Anikin, That he had been completely consumed by the dark side, that the Anikin he had known was gone and replaced by Darth Vader.


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Old 05-21-2005, 08:51 PM   #15
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Still, I mean doesnt Obi think he owes it to Padme to take ANi's corpse? I mean if he didn't show up ANi would never have choked her. It wasn't ANi that choked her, it was Darth. He would never have choked her if Obi didn't sneak on her ship and appear.


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Old 05-21-2005, 09:06 PM   #16
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Still, I mean doesnt Obi think he owes it to Padme to take ANi's corpse? I mean if he didn't show up ANi would never have choked her. It wasn't ANi that choked her, it was Darth. He would never have choked her if Obi didn't sneak on her ship and appear.
No Obi had to do what he had to do. The only reason Ani force gripped Padme was because of Palp. The entire thing happened because of Palp. Ani wouldnt have gone to the dark side if he hadnt killed mace and let mace do what he had to do. But Obi-wan did the right thing because he saved padme. If he wasnt there she would have been very dead, along with luke and leia.


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Old 05-22-2005, 01:48 AM   #17
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When I saw Mace go with other jedi to Palpatine's office, Mace said ARREST! Instead, he was going to kill him. That made me mad.
The reason for the change of opinion/goal was explained in its entirety in that very scene.

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Yeah, are you going to arrest the sith lord that you have been trying to kill for most of your life, then be put in maces situation and have him attacking you killing all the other jedi around you. Damn I'd have no 2nd thoughts about killing him


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Old 05-22-2005, 05:02 AM   #19
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1. So its okay for Obi to kill Maul and cut him in half and Anakin to lop off dookus head - but not okay for Mace to kill a sith lord? Mace was right - the guy would have escaped. Anakin had such bad reasoning. I like how George paralleled the whole Anakin reasoned it was okay for him to kill dooku - but holy hell no not okay for Mace to do it. And for Palp to ask Ani to spy - that's okay - but the jedi ask him to spy and he flips out?

2. Obi could have finished the job and killed Anakin. That's what he was supposed to do. Instead...he left them him there to suffer his own fate. He didn't help him because well the guy left his wife to do on the ground and killed all those younglings. He didn't let his hate consume him and kill him. So instead...he just walked away. That's what a Great Jedi does.


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Still, I mean doesnt Obi think he owes it to Padme to take ANi's corpse? I mean if he didn't show up ANi would never have choked her. It wasn't ANi that choked her, it was Darth. He would never have choked her if Obi didn't sneak on her ship and appear.
Oh dear God, shut up. If you saw someone there burning in LAVA, you'd think they would die. That's probably why Obi didn't take his corpse. But, Anakin's hate and power of the force kept him alive until Palpy came and rebuilt him.

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But then that raises the question, why did he die on Ep VI when luke took his helmet off.
He was already dying. Luke didn't want to take off the helmet because he figured it would kill Vader. We know for a fact that Vader CAN take the helmet off (we see him with it off in Empire), but Vader had just suffered what was supposed to be the death blow against Luke. For all we know, the force lightning would have destroyed the bulk of the circuitry meant to keep Vader alive. What we do know is that Vader tells Luke that nothing can stop him from dying at the point.
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I really hoped that Anakin or Dooku would duel with Windu for some awesome action.

What would have really been cool is if Mace would have gone to the dark side or revealed that he was actually a sith.
Atleast we would have gotten to know something we didn't already.
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What would have really been cool is if Mace would have gone to the dark side or revealed that he was actually a sith.
Worst. Idea. Ever.
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But then that raises the question, why did he die on Ep VI when luke took his helmet off.
emperor palpatine had turned the force lightning on him when vader threw him over the edge


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I was also surprised that Obi left Anikan to die to, I guess he thought there was no hope to save him, from his wounds or from the dark side.
Yes, I think he assumed vader was going to die (the clue being the fact his legs were chopped off and he was on fire).
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But then that raises the question, why did he die on Ep VI when luke took his helmet off.

he can breathe for awhile without his helmet.
remember during ESB you see him in his meditation chamber without his helmet on.
in the 'shadows of the empire' book you learn that he often does this to try see how long he can go without the aid of the respirator. using the force he can get his lungs to function, but only for short periods of time.

at the end of ROTJ when Vader threw the emperor down the shaft, the force lighting fried his life support systems. (which is why you never see Vader use lighting). you can hear the respirator is just about still woking, but it has been damage and probably wouldn't of lasted much longer.
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...Mace said ARREST! Instead, he was going to kill him. That made me mad. ANd on Mustufar, when Obi just left ANi to die there, even after seeing him combust like that, he just walks away...

...dont you think he'd do something to save his old friend?
Man. If I was Aniken and I was rescued by Obi-Wan... with that amount of rage in my heart... you can bet your bottom dollar that I would have tried my best to kill the Jedi Knight after that... meaning one Jedi left instead of two.

With the Mace incidence... Mace knew that letting the Dark lord of the Sith live would ultimately mean his own end, so naturally he did the only saine thing and tried to kill the Sith lord.

- These incidences were pure breaches of the Jedi code, and I agree with you, were infuriating. They didn't however take the cake when it came to pissing me off in Episode III.

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- Really pathetic if you ask me.


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- These incidences were pure breaches of the Jedi code, and I agree with you, were infuriating. They didn't however take the cake when it came to pissing me off in Episode III.
What inconsistencies? The Jedi acted as expected and acted in the best interests of the Republic.



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The thing that pissed me off the most was the death of Aayla Seccura. She had fallen to the dark side once (or at least nearly fallen to the darkside) in the expanded universe, and I would have loved to see her do the same in Episode III (and then perhaps have fled somewhere in an attempt to escape the Darklord of the Sith so it fits in with the story line). She was the sexiest Jedi in the order and we never really got a glimpse of her kicking butt. She just went straight down in blaster fire after Order-66 or whatever it was was executed.
- Really pathetic if you ask me.
I'm glad you weren't writing the story.

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What inconsistencies? The Jedi acted as expected and acted in the best interests of the Republic.
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I'm glad you weren't writing the story.
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at the end of ROTJ when Vader threw the emperor down the shaft, the force lighting fried his life support systems. (which is why you never see Vader use lighting).
to quote the visual dictionary concerning vader ...

As a result of having artifical arms, Darth Vader will never be able to conjure Sith lightning - nor be invulnerable to it.

the sith we see use lightning in the films release it through their hands/fingers (palpatine, tyrannus). those who can absorb/block it without using a lightsaber (yoda) do so through their hands.


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at the end of ROTJ when Vader threw the emperor down the shaft, the force lighting fried his life support systems. (which is why you never see Vader use lighting). .
Actually, Vader never uses lightning because he has 2 mechanical hands. It was in the SW EP3 novel. Palpatine when he's looking at the repaired Vader is thinking about Vader's limitations but that he'll still do.

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Actually, Vader never uses lightning because he has 2 mechanical hands.
isn't that what i just said?



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These incidences were pure breaches of the Jedi code, and I agree with you, were infuriating. They didn't however take the cake when it came to pissing me off in Episode III.
I agree that killing Dooku was against the Jedi Code, he could have been arrested. he was literally unarmed and from the look in his eyes when Anni stood over him with two sabers, he would be grateful so still be alive. But as for Mace attempting to kill Sidious, no way would I consider that against the Jedi Code, Sidious just took out three Jedi with great ease, he's shooting lightening whenever he gets the chance, how would you go about arresting him? He's too powerful, mace knew what he was up against and he saw the chance to defeat him, he knew he wouldn't get many chances like that so he took it.

As for "saving" vader when he was burning - Obi Wan knew he friend he once knew was gone "I hate you", Vader would have fought as hard as he could (with one arm) if Obi Wan tried helping him. Did you not see the fierce lightsaber battle they just had? They both knew it would end this way. Obi Wan was a great Jedi, if he did anything other than walk away he would have been foolish, and he knew Sidious would be after vader.
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- These incidences were pure breaches of the Jedi code
I don't see how removing a sith is against the jedi code. The sith are a perversion of the force.

Sure Palpatine didn't have a saber, but he sure as hell wasn't helpless. He was in control of everything, he had to be destroyed. It was the only way to end the war and not send the galaxy into darkness.


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I don't see how removing a sith is against the jedi code. The sith are a perversion of the force.

Sure Palpatine didn't have a saber, but he sure as hell wasn't helpless. He was in control of everything, he had to be destroyed. It was the only way to end the war and not send the galaxy into darkness.
I agree. Both when Mace was about to kill Sidious, and when Obi-Wan left Anakin, were justified I think. Sidious was obviously a Sith Lord, and it's the Jedi's job to get rid of them.

Obi-Wan believed Anakin to be fully consumed by the Dark side. Better let him die then try to help him, and then he still turns to evil. And plus, I don't think Anakin wanted his help.
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Old 08-07-2005, 01:32 AM   #38
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I agree, both Mace attempting to kill Palpetine and Obi-Wan leaving Anakin behind were justified and followed the jedi code, there's nothing in there that says "Sith our are friends, let them live."
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Pfft,so true.


Go ahead. Impress me. Do something intelligent.
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Old 08-07-2005, 08:34 AM   #40
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I total agree lil_dude


I not paranoid it's everyone else

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