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Old 10-03-2005, 07:55 PM   #81
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Anakin is the best?
What are you basing that on?
General Grievous defeated alot of jedi so i don't know what the hell you are talking about.



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Old 10-13-2005, 09:51 AM   #82
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its such a tough question but i read somewhere that Mace was the only one to know some super lightsabre technique. So i think mace but yoda being more powerful in the force
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:35 AM   #83
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IIRC in the Star Wars Ultimate visual guide it says Yoda is the best, followed by Mace.

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Old 10-16-2005, 01:36 AM   #84
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mmm, tough question. I think Emperor Palpatine is the best swordsman. If he can take down 3 Jedi Masters in under 1 minute, You've gotta be good.
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Old 10-16-2005, 01:38 AM   #85
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mmm, tough question. I think Emperor Palpatine is the best swordsman. If he can take down 3 Jedi Masters in under 1 minute, You've gotta be good.
*Cough*

We're talking about Yoda and Mace.

Not Palps.
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Old 10-16-2005, 01:44 AM   #86
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sorry, that's my problem for just joining in on a board. Yoda's way better than Mace cause' Yoda can hold off one of the most powerful sith lords and live to tell the tail.
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Old 10-16-2005, 01:45 AM   #87
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sorry, that's my problem for just joining in on a board. Yoda's way better than Mace cause' Yoda can hold off one of the most powerful sith lords and live to tell the tail.
Except that Mace can do the same and best him.
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Old 10-16-2005, 01:46 AM   #88
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hmm, good point.
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Old 10-16-2005, 01:58 AM   #89
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I stand by my statement, while Yoda with all abilities combined is a skilled swordsman, with a dimished force ability he'd be nowhere near comparable to Mace's skill.


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Old 10-16-2005, 01:59 AM   #90
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yet, another good point.
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Old 10-16-2005, 03:07 AM   #91
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I would say Mace, he is not as powerful as Yoda in the force, but he is obviously the swordfighter. In the visual dictionary and elsewhere he is described as the "best living lightsaber fighter" and is the only master of Form VII/Vaapad. He was actually able to defeat Sidious with his blade, but was not as powerful in the force as Yoda. The fight between Yoda and Palps was more of a force power duel than a swordfight, and old Palpy was a powerful user of the dark side.
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Old 10-16-2005, 06:09 AM   #92
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mmm, tough question. I think Emperor Palpatine is the best swordsman. If he can take down 3 Jedi Masters in under 1 minute, You've gotta be good.
He is unquestionably good with the sabre. No denying that from me. Mace DID defeat him though. Anakin interfered and we all know what happened. Oh well. I take comfort in the fact that Mace did defeat The Emperor but Anakin fulfilled his destiny. As a result, we got 3 more movies out of it LOL!!!!! :P
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Old 10-16-2005, 06:14 AM   #93
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I would say Mace, he is not as powerful as Yoda in the force, but he is obviously the swordfighter. In the visual dictionary and elsewhere he is described as the "best living lightsaber fighter" and is the only master of Form VII/Vaapad. He was actually able to defeat Sidious with his blade, but was not as powerful in the force as Yoda. The fight between Yoda and Palps was more of a force power duel than a swordfight, and old Palpy was a powerful user of the dark side.
I remember reading that too Rob. I also recall separate interviews with Lucas and Jackson that said Mace was the ultimate swordsman of the time.
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Old 10-26-2005, 08:22 PM   #94
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Mace Windu did take out seismic tank on Dantooine.


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Old 10-26-2005, 08:25 PM   #95
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Mace Windu did take out seismic tank on Dantooine.
This is relevant how?
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Old 10-26-2005, 09:24 PM   #96
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I remember reading that too Rob. I also recall separate interviews with Lucas and Jackson that said Mace was the ultimate swordsman of the time.
Earlier in this thread several times, people gave sources that said Mace had been bested by two opponents: Yoda and Dooku. I would say this is evidence enough that Yoda is better.


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Old 10-26-2005, 09:32 PM   #97
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This is relevant how?
To the topic......Best Swordsman: Yoda or Mace Windu....


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Old 10-26-2005, 11:16 PM   #98
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Ohhhh, not to be mean but did TK-8252 just get burned with that?
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Old 10-26-2005, 11:21 PM   #99
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Ohhhh, not to be mean but did TK-8252 just get burned with that?
No, because what commanderobiwan said doesn't even make sense...
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Old 10-26-2005, 11:29 PM   #100
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Well, I must admit. I understood it and thought you asked a stupid question.
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Old 10-26-2005, 11:34 PM   #101
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Except he didn't. Force skills != Saber skills, therefore commanderobiwans comment wasn't relevant.

So yeah, stupid question my ass.


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Old 10-27-2005, 01:48 AM   #102
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Earlier in this thread several times, people gave sources that said Mace had been bested by two opponents: Yoda and Dooku. I would say this is evidence enough that Yoda is better.
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"This is the moment that defines Mace Windu.
Not his countless victories in battle, nor the numberless battles his diplomacy has avoided. Not his penetrating intellect, or his talents with the Force, or his UNMATCHED skills with the lightsaber. Not his dedication to the Jedi Order, or his devotion to the Republic that he serves."

-----Excerpt taken directly from Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover(Hardcover Edition)Page: 309


After recently going back and reading the book again, I would say that this is evidence enough that what I have stated was true.
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Old 10-29-2005, 10:55 PM   #103
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I think Mace is the best lightsaber master. He is more controlled, and only got killed because he didn't expect Ani's surprise. He would have finished Palpy, while Yoda could not.

Yoda is better in the force, but were talking about swordsmanship here. Mace's the best.
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Old 10-30-2005, 12:34 AM   #104
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@ Blaze: Unmatched is a figure of speech, meaning almost nobody is as good as him. Yes, the book is canon, but it's not by how the author uses description.


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Old 10-30-2005, 01:38 AM   #105
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LOL. Unmatched means EXACTLY that. UNMATCHED. No two ways about it.

Definition: Without equal or rival; peerless: example: unmatched skill.

You wanted sources. I gave.
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Old 10-30-2005, 10:31 AM   #106
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That's what Yoda has to say about whether he's the best or not


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Old 10-30-2005, 11:05 AM   #107
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Well, I think Yoda would actually say SUTFYM, not STFU.

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Old 10-30-2005, 01:37 PM   #108
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Mace is the best swordsman. Darth Moeller, just because Mace was defeated by Yoda doesn't mean a thing. Yoda was the more powerful, that says nothing about his Natural skill with a saber. Mace has always been described as "unmatched" and "best living lightsaber fighter", which is clear evidence don't you think? I have no clue what you are trying to get across by the fact that Mace was bested by two people. That doesn't mean that they were better than Mace at saber fighting, they were just more powerful overall.
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Old 10-30-2005, 03:30 PM   #109
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Um...everyone keeps going 'Oh, teh Mace r teh beetn Palpy in duel fiteing so he r teh best0r!'. Nobody seems to remember that Palpy got SERIOUSLY desperate fighting Yoda and decided to start throwing those Senate Chamber lifts at Yoda in an attempt to break the melee. Then Yoda decided to do the same back and Palpy got totally desperate. Luck saved Palpatine's ass. Nothing more.
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Generally if you beat someone in a fair one on one saber fight, that means you are better than them @RobQuel-Droma. They use the word bested because out of the 2 fighters, Yoda is the best (well actually the correct word is better but lets not start on proper grammar).

And like Kain said, Palpy had to retreat and start throwing the chairs at Yoda.


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Old 10-31-2005, 12:26 AM   #111
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Yea whatever Moeller. I'll take my source over the EU thanx.
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Old 10-31-2005, 11:52 AM   #112
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Mace is the best swordsman. Darth Moeller, just because Mace was defeated by Yoda doesn't mean a thing.
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Old 10-31-2005, 12:20 PM   #113
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Yea whatever Moeller. I'll take my source over the EU thanx.
Well lets see, the book is derived from the movie - not the other way around. And since in the Data Bank - which anything from the movies is from George Lucas himself - says that Mace was Yoda's lesser, I'd say your source is wrong.

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Lucas does not recognize the EU as Star Wars history and that information comes from the EU Kain.
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Kain for the win!


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Nope. For the loss.
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No, I'm pretty sure it's Kain for the win.


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Not when it comes from the EU. No.
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Ah but Blaze, we're not talking about EU, are we? We're talking about EPISODE 3, which is official George Lucas. And since Mace Windu really only appears in, ironically enough, canon material and George Lucas has said that Yoda is the better in the canon(ie: Databank info for Eps 1-3 on BOTH characters), I'd definently say

KAIN FTW!!!

And besides, this topic is irrelevant. Yoda and Mace don't use swords. They use lightsabers.

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If you were the most powerful force-user ever you could kill Mace; Just Force Crush him. It wouldn't matter ONE SINGLE BIT if Mace was the absolute best at saberfighting, because he would be dead. But still, that doesn't say that Mace was not the best saber fighter. He just wasn't the most skilled in using the force. This is not about who is the most powerful, it is about the best at lightsaber fighting.

Oh, and by the way, you can't just look at my "just because he wasn't defeated by Yoda doesn't mean a thing quote." Look at the rest of it please.

I think Prime said that in the Ultimate Visual Guide that Yoda was the best. Best at what? I have the ultimate guide, and guess what: It says that Mace is the "ultimate living lightsaber fighter." Not to mention that he was the one who created form Vaapad, and was the only one who knew it. He also synthesized that form with Juyo.

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