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Old 07-23-2005, 01:59 AM   #1
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What Jedi Class should Revan really be?

First, I wish to state that the beauty of KotOR is that we can play the PC however we choose and that's only well and good, otherwise the game just wouldn't sell as well IMHO. As for myself, I have played all three classes just to see how the gameplay differed.

But...

Step back for a second and consider the story being presented in KotOR. What Jedi class do you think Revan was during the Mandalorian Wars? Assuming you've played KotOR, the game presents certain details about Revan's background. From the information given in the game, what Jedi class do you think Revan most likely is and why?

Now that I've posed the question, I'll put my 2 cents down on the table. I think Revan most likely a Jedi Sentinel.
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From what I picked up on, Revan either built or made major modifications to HK-47, requiring skills that neither a Consular nor Guardian would likely develop. Revan also rallied Jedi to battle the Mandalorian invasion, not a likely response from a Consular but more likely from a Guardian or Sentinel. Finally, I feel Revan's decision to pursue knowledge of the Star Forge indicates a desire to seek out and discover, displaying behavior more closely aligned with the Sentinel class than Consular or Guardian classes. Generally speaking, I don't think a Consular would have had such a strong desire to fight to begin with and a Guardian would have gone out, kicked butt, and then returned home when the job was done.


So there you have it folks. Cast your vote and make your case. I'm interested in what other forum members thoughts are...


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Old 07-23-2005, 11:27 AM   #2
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Revan could also be a Multiclass character. Regarding his behaviour and his skills in battle and as mechanic, I too would suggest that he is a Sentinel, but the discoverage of Malachor V and obtaining the Sith teachings there acquire great knowledge and a strong affinity to the force, so it would also be possible that he is a Consular. Or a prestige class generally...
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Old 07-23-2005, 12:32 PM   #3
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I picked Sentinel as they are balanced, sometimes i chose guardian


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Old 07-23-2005, 02:04 PM   #4
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I voted sentinal as I do not see Revan as being deficient in fighting or force powers. Someone of his presence would have to be good at both.
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Old 07-24-2005, 01:44 AM   #5
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I would also have to say Sentinel. Which is ironic because I have never played a Sentinel in KOTOR I. (It all goes back to how I detest yellow sabers). But, lets face it, Revan really had to have been a well rounded individual. However, in the case of Anakin Skywalker, I am sure that anyone would agree that he was a Jedi Guardian (even though the movies never had a yellow saber for a Sentinel class). Of course, it could be argued that Anakin was a Guardian before his fall to the Dark Side and after his conversion into Vader, his Prestige Class was Sith Lord (the other end of the spectrum). I tend to think that Revan would have been a Sith Lord as a Prestige class instead of a Marauder or Assassin. On the other hand, I think Malak was likely a Guardian/Weaponmaster, because, lets face it, he was extremely power hungry, wielded a very unique superlong lightsaber, and wasn't prone to bouts of genius.

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Old 07-24-2005, 01:56 AM   #6
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I see Revan as a Sentinel as well... Now Malak on the other hand was a Guardian all the way.


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Old 07-24-2005, 10:37 AM   #7
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I always thought of Revan as a Sentinal because he/she is always being
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referred to as being able to build thing like HK-47


And Malak you could tell was a Gudian because of his lets just blow **** up (Taris) attitude and then in the finally battle he's jumping around like a bloody frog the force jumping fanny


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Old 07-24-2005, 10:41 AM   #8
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Venom750
[B]I always thought of Revan as a Sentinal because he/she is always being
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referred to as being able to build thing like HK-47


And Malak you could tell was a Gudian because of his lets just blow **** up (Taris) attitude and then in the finally battle he's jumping around like a bloody frog the force jumping fanny.

I couldnt agree more i thought malak was supposed to be this dark lord yet when i fought him he kept giving it legs
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so i just drained the life force from all the jedis in those tanks and killed him ha ha.
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Old 07-26-2005, 02:40 PM   #9
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Well, I would think Revan was probably a Sentinel.

However, according to the chronicles on LucasArts.com, Jedi Master Revan disappeared after the Mandalorian Wars. With that being said, you can guess he was a Consular before the War and after the war, the council promoted him to a new rank.

Not to get off topic but:

In TSL, Kreia gives you useful clues about Revan's past, and from what I could gather, he was a Consular/Master.
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Old 07-26-2005, 03:09 PM   #10
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Well, in this case Jedi Master is more a title or rank for a Jedi who has mastered the force to a high degree than the class in TSL. Similar in the movies Darth Maul is called a Sith Lord while he actually is a Sith Marauder.
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Old 07-26-2005, 06:46 PM   #11
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I believe sentinel because he was honored as a great warrior there fore not a conselor and well known for his arcane and achievements with the force and many discovories of the star forge. and when malak wrested control from the balanced leader the sith's stance quickly changed from a precise series of stirkes to an aggresive onslaught against the republic.


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Old 07-26-2005, 11:12 PM   #12
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Hmmm...

Well I guess Smilodon has a point. I voted for Sentinel anyways because that's the class I always play as.

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Old 07-27-2005, 12:03 AM   #13
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Obviously I'm different than everybody else, but I thought of him as a Consular. Maybe most consulars dont have the charisma required to rally all those troops, but when I hear the title Sith Lord or Jedi Master like Revan was, I think of a great knowledge of the Force.

Maybe I just don't see him as a sentinel because I never played sentinel, but some of you are starting to sway my opinion to sentinel. But I already voted.


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Old 07-27-2005, 11:11 PM   #14
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blashemy! you should replay kotor 1 at once to correct this fatal error before you shall perish as they did before.


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Old 07-27-2005, 11:30 PM   #15
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blashemy! you should replay kotor 1 at once to correct this fatal error before you shall perish as they did before.
Who is "they"?


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Old 07-27-2005, 11:50 PM   #16
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^^^^

I think he was refering to the other people who voted for a different class than Sentinel.
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Old 07-28-2005, 11:53 AM   #17
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setinal, because it is balanced.


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Old 07-28-2005, 03:20 PM   #18
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I think he was refering to the other people who voted for a different class than Sentinel.
no i meant it to not refer to any1. you know like in the corny horror movies.


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Old 07-29-2005, 12:22 AM   #19
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I have no idea what you're saying. Do you intentionally muddle your posts or is this just your natural way of communicating? Seriously, I've read your posts elsewhere and most of the time I haven't a clue what you're talking about.


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Old 07-30-2005, 07:33 PM   #20
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I have no idea what you're saying. Do you intentionally muddle your posts or is this just your natural way of communicating? Seriously, I've read your posts elsewhere and most of the time I haven't a clue what you're talking about.
its not my natural form i enjoy fooling around and confusing people.
but when im serious you should be able to understand and if not don't be shy to ask.

btw i'm working on fooling around less i recently became aware that many people on these forums don't speak english as their mother tongue


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Old 07-30-2005, 07:44 PM   #21
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With that being said, you can guess he was a Consular before the War and after the war, the council promoted him to a new rank.
But, after the war he became a Sith Lord and turned on the Republic. Additionally, the council never supported him in his war decision. So, under what grounds would he get a promotion?




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Old 07-30-2005, 09:11 PM   #22
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OK, a week into this poll and the voting shows Jedi Sentinel as the overwhelming favorite with Jedi Consular a distant second...

Jedi Sentinel - 11 votes
Jedi Consular - 3 votes
Jedi Guardian - 1 vote

Thanks to all those who voted and contributed their arguments in support of their particular view. For those who haven't voted yet please go ahead and let your voice be heard. I just wanted to post the vote count so we have a reference point for what the votes were a week into this poll.


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Old 07-30-2005, 09:35 PM   #23
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its not my natural form i enjoy fooling around and confusing people.
but when im serious you should be able to understand and if not don't be shy to ask.

btw i'm working on fooling around less i recently became aware that many people on these forums don't speak english as their mother tongue
OK. That's good to know. Because it doesn't do much good if people don't understand you.

But back on topic... I didn't start this thread with the intention of delving into the Prestige class Revan most likely was. I intended for this poll to cover the Jedi classes from K1. That being stated...

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but when I hear the title Sith Lord or Jedi Master like Revan was, I think of a great knowledge of the Force.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Jedi Master and Sith Lord were Prestige classes. If my understanding of how the Prestige classes work is correct, isn't it conceivable that Revan could have started out as a Jedi Sentinel and then chose the Prestige class of Sith Lord for DS or Jedi Master for LS? I haven't played TSL yet (don't want to get into the reasons why) but from what I gather a Force-trained individual chooses their Prestige class after starting out as a LS/DS neutral Consular, Guardian, or Sentinel. But just because one started out as a Jedi Guardian doesn't mean that individual would be required to choose Jedi Weapons Master/Sith Marauder, right?


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Old 07-30-2005, 09:38 PM   #24
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I didn't mean as much prestige classes as I did thinking of Jedi Masters and Sith Lords in the movies (there are no prestige classes in the movies).


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Old 08-01-2005, 07:00 PM   #25
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I think they really screwed it up by saying sith lord and jedi master are prestige classes they shoud just be something like jedi seer or sith visor


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Old 08-02-2005, 12:34 AM   #26
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Obviously I'm different than everybody else, but I thought of him as a Consular. Maybe most consulars dont have the charisma required to rally all those troops, but when I hear the title Sith Lord or Jedi Master like Revan was, I think of a great knowledge of the Force.

Maybe I just don't see him as a sentinel because I never played sentinel, but some of you are starting to sway my opinion to sentinel. But I already voted.

I voted Consular too.

It just seems more natural to me, that someone's who's a great tactician and can inspire his comrades is a Consular.

I also don't understand how people can draw the conclusion that he's a Sentinel on the fact that he made modifications to HK-47. I can get a high repair skill with a Consular. Nothing stops a Consular from being able to repair and modify droids.
I also don't think he built HK-47. Remember G0-T0's talk with HK-47? That sounded like G0-T0 had something to do with HK's past, besides Revan.

Why does he need to be balanced? There's no indication anywhere of Revan's fighting style.

Also, we don't know exactly how he fought his battles. Where does it say that he did precise strikes? He only left military structures intact because he needed them for later. Had Malak known what Revan did, would he also keep those intact? We don't know.
Then there's Malachor, where Revan ordered a mass destruction of Mandolarian forces. Malachor doesn't sound like what a Sentinel would do.


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Old 08-02-2005, 12:40 AM   #27
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I forgot to mention.

In KotOR I, when Master Dorak questions you to see what kind of class would better fit you, all of the answers requiring cooperation with someone or involving learning from your enemy were Consular answers.

Revan cooperating with others and seeking knowledge points him towards being a Consular.

He also tried to turn others to the Dark Side, not something a Guardian or Sentinel would do.


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I respectfully disagree with lukeiamyourdad. Everyone has their own opinions on these things though. If you think Revan a consular then OK but I'm not convinced yet...

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He also tried to turn others to the Dark Side, not something a Guardian or Sentinel would do.
I don't understand why a DS Guardian or DS Sentinel wouldn't also try to sway others to the dark side if they so desired. Why do you limit that solely to a DS Consular? Take Bastila in K1 for instance.
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Didn't she try to sway Revan into joining her against Malak during their confrontation on the Rakatan homeworld? And I do believe she was a Sentinel.


And while I'm sure a Consular could develop a high repair skill I don't think that Consulars, generally speaking, would concern themselves with learning how to repair and build droids. Consulars are more interested in studying and improving their use of the Force. Sentinels are the skills focused Jedi class.

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Then there's Malachor, where Revan ordered a mass destruction of Mandolarian forces. Malachor doesn't sound like what a Sentinel would do.
I don't think Revan's action in this case gives any indication to Revan's being a Consular, Guardian, or Sentinel. I think any disciple of the Dark Side would have taken the opportunity to crush their opposition, regardless of their class.

I can see how some might see Revan as a consular due to Revan's strength in the Force, but as for me I haven't seen any arguments that sway my opinion from Revan being a Sentinel.


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I respectfully disagree with lukeiamyourdad. Everyone has their own opinions on these things though. If you think Revan a consular then OK but I'm not convinced yet...


I don't understand why a DS Guardian or DS Sentinel wouldn't also try to sway others to the dark side if they so desired. Why do you limit that solely to a DS Consular? Take Bastila in K1 for instance.
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Didn't she try to sway Revan into joining her against Malak during their confrontation on the Rakatan homeworld? And I do believe she was a Sentinel.


And while I'm sure a Consular could develop a high repair skill I don't think that Consulars, generally speaking, would concern themselves with learning how to repair and build droids. Consulars are more interested in studying and improving their use of the Force. Sentinels are the skills focused Jedi class.


I don't think Revan's action in this case gives any indication to Revan's being a Consular, Guardian, or Sentinel. I think any disciple of the Dark Side would have taken the opportunity to crush their opposition, regardless of their class.

I can see how some might see Revan as a consular due to Revan's strength in the Force, but as for me I haven't seen any arguments that sway my opinion from Revan being a Sentinel.

From looking through this thread and the poll above, most people are in agreement with you. He was a Sentinel in most people's estimation. Of course, I still contend that if Prestige Classes were to be considered that he would have promoted to Sith Lord rather than Marauder or Assassin. So, in a way, he would have become the Sith Prestige equivalent of the Jedi Conselor.

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I don't understand why a DS Guardian or DS Sentinel wouldn't also try to sway others to the dark side if they so desired. Why do you limit that solely to a DS Consular? Take Bastila in K1 for instance.
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Didn't she try to sway Revan into joining her against Malak during their confrontation on the Rakatan homeworld? And I do believe she was a Sentinel.
It is true, she was a Sentinel and yes, all the classes can sway others to the dark side, but doing it on such a scale as Revan seems more the work of a Consular.

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And while I'm sure a Consular could develop a high repair skill I don't think that Consulars, generally speaking, would concern themselves with learning how to repair and build droids. Consulars are more interested in studying and improving their use of the Force. Sentinels are the skills focused Jedi class.
True Sentinels are the skill focused class, but it doesn't mean that Revan, as a Consular, doesn't have any other interests then learning from the Force. Afterall, when you played as a Consular, you had those skills open for you. It could have been that Revan was passionate about droids but didn't have such skills in other areas.


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I don't think Revan's action in this case gives any indication to Revan's being a Consular, Guardian, or Sentinel. I think any disciple of the Dark Side would have taken the opportunity to crush their opposition, regardless of their class.
I think it does. Sentinels are reputed for precise strikes, yet Malachor was an act of mass destruction, something both Sith Lords (Vader and Palpatine) in the movies did. Both are Sith Lords/Guardians/Consular.

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I can see how some might see Revan as a consular due to Revan's strength in the Force, but as for me I haven't seen any arguments that sway my opinion from Revan being a Sentinel.
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Consulars are more interested in studying and improving their use of the Force.
Kreia mentionned that Revan sought out many teachers to learn from them.
So if Consulars are more interested in studying and improving their use of the Force, Revan must have been one in order to seek out so many teachers and learn from them.


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I voted that Revan was a Consular. You only see one cutscene in the game where he/she was weilding a lightsaber and in others he weilds the Force. Like when Bastila and the other Jedi boarded Revan's flagship. Revan didn't even use his/her lightsaber, he/she just used force choke, so that pretty much rules Guardian out.

Revan being a Sentinel is also possible, but couldn't any class with the proper repair skills modify HK-47? Also, with the proper knowledge of the Force, you could convert rival Jedi to Sith. That covers Revan rallying the Sith against the Jedi and the Republic.
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I think it does. Sentinels are reputed for precise strikes, yet Malachor was an act of mass destruction, something both Sith Lords (Vader and Palpatine) in the movies did. Both are Sith Lords/Guardians/Consular.
Well, now this is where I was making my point. I think it obvious that Anakin Skywalker was a Guardian before his fall to the darkside. Sure, you could argue that he was a Sentinel (since there are no yellow sabers in the movies), but he certainly wasn't a Conselor before his fall to the darkside. AND it is therefore my vote that Revan was a Sentinel originally and, possibly, promoted to Sith Lord as a Prestige Class.

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Revan didn't even use his/her lightsaber, he/she just used force choke, so that pretty much rules Guardian out.
Unless I am absolutely mistaken, didn't Revan pull out his saber just before the blast hit the bridge of his flagship? In any event, it is a weak argument because even Palpatine brandished his saber when he was at last cornered by the Jedi.

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Old 08-03-2005, 01:53 AM   #33
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This is great! There's nothing like some good ole' hard nosed debate.

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I didn't start this thread with the intention of delving into the Prestige class Revan most likely was. I intended for this poll to cover the Jedi classes from K1.
Since I haven't played TSL yet and I'm trying not to find out too much about TSL before I get the opportunity to play, I don't consider myself qualified to make any arguments based on TSL info. Plain and simple, I don't know. I only commented on the attack on Malachor because lukeiamyourdad used it as a supporting argument. I didn't even know about Revan attacking Malachor before lukeiamyourdad brought it up. And that goes for anything Kreia says too because again, I don't know what she said.

I think I'll detail my arguments for Revan being a Sentinel in a point-by-point:
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- Revan was trained by Master Zhar, a Jedi Sentinel. Revan's training partner, Bastila, was also a Sentinel. I think it more likely that a new Jedi apprentice would be trained by people from the apprentice's own class.

- We know Revan owned and made modifications to HK-47 prior to his betrayal by Malak. While we don't know whether or not Revan actually built HK-47, skills such as repair and an interest in droids would more closely align with Sentinels than with any other Jedi class, given the Sentinel classification as a skills focused group.

- Revan's decision to rally other Jedi in response to the Mandalorian invasion of Republic space would seem to be more the reaction of a Sentinel (a seeker of justice), or a Guardian (a protector and defender). One would generally expect a more peaceful, reasoned response from a Consular (a seeker of harmony and peace).

- Revan's reputation as an inspirational leader and brilliant tactician in the Mandalorian Wars again aligns more closely with the Jedi Sentinel class than any other Jedi class. I'm not saying that a Consular or Guardian couldn't be an inspiring leader and tactician but I believe one would more reasonably expect only one of these characteristics being displayed from a Consular or Guardian.

I'm not trying to say with 100% certainty that Revan was a Sentinel. What I do believe though is that the information presented in KotOR most strongly supports Revan being a Jedi Sentinel than any other Jedi class. And so far most of those who have voted in this thread poll think so too...

@ lukeiamyourdad - I get that you believe Revan was a consular. I still don't see the prevailing logic of your reasoning but I get that for you Revan was a consular in KotOR. And I'm OK with that More power to ya!
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Sentinels are reputed for precise strikes
I would like to know what your basis is for this argument. Do you get this strictly from TSL? I don't recall any KotOR reference to a Sentinel's battle preferences.

@ MdKnightR - Thanks for your supporting comments. From what I've gathered (but remembering I haven't played TSL yet) it would seem that most forum members think Revan became a Sith Lord. I wouldn't at all be surprised if this was the case. To me it seems quite logical that Revan was a Sentinel who chose the path of a Sith Lord when the time came to choose a Prestige Class.


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None of the above. Revan's in a class of his own!
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"Unless I am absolutely mistaken, didn't Revan pull out his saber just before the blast hit the bridge of his flagship? In any event, it is a weak argument because even Palpatine brandished his saber when he was at last cornered by the Jedi." -MdKnightR

True, Revan did have his lightsaber out on his flagship, but he never fought with it. When the Jedi where advancing on him he used force choke to bring some of them down and then the blast hit his flagship.
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He used force choke to bring down i republic office the jedi were at the back fighting whichmakes me think what the hell was that Republic dude thinking


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- Revan was trained by Master Zhar, a Jedi Sentinel. Revan's training partner, Bastila, was also a Sentinel. I think it more likely that a new Jedi apprentice would be trained by people from the apprentice's own class.
But at this point, you can be anything you want. So it doesn't prove anything.

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- We know Revan owned and made modifications to HK-47 prior to his betrayal by Malak. While we don't know whether or not Revan actually built HK-47, skills such as repair and an interest in droids would more closely align with Sentinels than with any other Jedi class, given the Sentinel classification as a skills focused group.
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From what you can gather from TSL, Revan did NOT build HK-47. But true nonetheless, it sounds like a Sentinel ability.




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- Revan's decision to rally other Jedi in response to the Mandalorian invasion of Republic space would seem to be more the reaction of a Sentinel (a seeker of justice), or a Guardian (a protector and defender). One would generally expect a more peaceful, reasoned response from a Consular (a seeker of harmony and peace).
No does it say that a Consular seeks harmony and peace. If tainted by the Dark Side, Revan would rally troops against the Mandalorians, no matter what class he was. I'm just saying it would be easier for him as a Consular, as they are made to work with others.
Also, your conclusion with such an example makes no sense. Why would he seek justice and not be a protector and defender? Sounds more like a Guardian reaction, according to your example.

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- Revan's reputation as an inspirational leader and brilliant tactician in the Mandalorian Wars again aligns more closely with the Jedi Sentinel class than any other Jedi class. I'm not saying that a Consular or Guardian couldn't be an inspiring leader and tactician but I believe one would more reasonably expect only one of these characteristics being displayed from a Consular or Guardian.
It means nothing. If anything, a tactician and inspiring leader should be a Consular. Afterall, they work well with others (according to the questions asked by Master Dorak) and could be good strategists.
If anything, Sentinels only have one of those abilities, being good strategists but no where does it indicate that Sentinels work well with others. If anything, from their scouts roots, they should be loners who explore space.
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In the same logic, in TSL, sentinels are considered the saboteurs and stealth assassins of the game, not something that equals to inspirationnal leader.



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I'm not trying to say with 100% certainty that Revan was a Sentinel. What I do believe though is that the information presented in KotOR most strongly supports Revan being a Jedi Sentinel than any other Jedi class. And so far most of those who have voted in this thread poll think so too...
The information in KotOR does not support strongly any class in particular. However, it does incline a bit towards Consular, IMO.
And I don't care about statistics, my reason to believe people voted Sentinel, is only because they don't have the choice of a multiclass character and want to vote for something balanced as a compromise.

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@ lukeiamyourdad - I get that you believe Revan was a consular. I still don't see the prevailing logic of your reasoning but I get that for you Revan was a consular in KotOR. And I'm OK with that More power to ya!
My Revan was anything. I didn't only play Consular, if anything, it was my least favorite class in KotOR.

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I would like to know what your basis is for this argument. Do you get this strictly from TSL? I don't recall any KotOR reference to a Sentinel's battle preferences.
Master Dorak's questions.
It was something about a duel with a dark Jedi. There's a pause in the duel. You had three choices.
1- Attack him again (Guardian)
2- Question him about the reasons he fell to the Dark Side and try to save him (Consular)
3- Find a weakness in his technique (Sentinel)


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Master Dorak's questions.
It was something about a duel with a dark Jedi. There's a pause in the duel. You had three choices.
1- Attack him again (Guardian)
2- Question him about the reasons he fell to the Dark Side and try to save him (Consular)
3- Find a weakness in his technique (Sentinel)
You know, if you go by this, it would seem that Qui-gon Jinn was a Sentinel instead of a Consulor by his actions in the final battle with Darth Maul. In the pause, he didn't say anything to Maul...he meditated, which seems to me that he was reflecting to find a weakness in his technique.

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Possible, or he could just be resting

I thought that Qui-Gon was a Guardian. Oh well.


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I voted consular.

I wish I had something to add, but lukeiamyourdad pretty much covered my reasonings.

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