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Old 08-28-2005, 05:50 AM   #41
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@ Dale03Ster: Han and lando putted up a game of Sabbac, and Lando didn't wany to lose anymore money. In a fun moment he said: Choose a ship, then!
And han won, and instead of taking a shiny cruiser from Bespin, he took a freighter that almost fell apart, but with some repairs still was a very good ship. Lando wanted to repair it for himself, however, and didn't expect Solo to choose the Falcon. That's why lando was so pissed of.

@ Rest: Did nobody notice? The Exile TAKES the Ebon Hawk to the unknow regions, it ca't possibly return, unless the Exile is evil, thus giving an enormous spoiler. I think thay simply have to come up with a new ship, maybe when you enter the unknown regions, you'll get it.

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Old 08-28-2005, 06:42 AM   #42
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They found a way for the Exile to get the hawk in K2.

If the exile is the PC in K3 he could be light or dark and still have the ebon hawk as a ship, and if the exile is not the main PC i am sure they will find a way for the new PC to acquire the hawk, the same way they found a way for the exile to acquire it. I'm very confident the Ebon Hawk will make a return in K3.

Besides, why does everyone hate the Ebon Hawk so much? I actually think its a pretty cool little ship. Its the Millenium Falcon of KOTOR and you all liked the Falcon didn't you? I even remember reading somewhere that bioware had the millenium falcon in mind when desiging the Ebon Hawk. Not just the name, but the whole ship was meant to look and feel like the falcon.

eh, whatever, you can love it or hate it, but i'd bet my kidney that it will be in K3


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Old 08-29-2005, 12:06 AM   #43
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Well Commas I LOVE the Ebon Hawk in the first two, but I would not complain if there was a new ship in KOTOR III. I think it's time to move on. If the Ebon Hawk stays that's not a bad thing, I would just prefer a change that's all.
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Old 08-29-2005, 07:51 AM   #44
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What I don't want to see in KOTOR III is oddessy. How about SOURCE or FEAR as the engine instead? Oddessy is tweaked aurora, which is tweaked infinity, which is last millenium's tech. Fine for 2003, somewhat acceptable for early 2005, compleatly unacceptable now.

Also, I don't want a new combat system. If they get rid of the dungeon & dragons d20 system, it just won't be KOTOR.

And, please no emotionaly disturbed wookies. And definately no PC's or NPC party members from the first 2 games, except HK and T3, as party members.

And no gender or alignment based NPC party members. Romantic entanglements are cool; I enjoyed them in both KOTORs, but handle it like bioware did in KOTOR I.

No goodytooshoes darkside npc party members. If the PC's corrupted someone to the darkside, the npc party member should realy stop objecting to the PC's commiting murder.

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What's so wrong with Carth? he's the only NPC in the game who is not afraid to tell you that he disagress when you are doing bad things.
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What was so wrong with Carth? His attitude begs for death.
They can keep Carth in for all the Carth fans out there as long as the game keeps the query system so that the game understands that in my KOTOR universe Carth died on the hanger deck of the Star Forge. KOTOR II understood this just fine, so it's no big deal.
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Old 08-31-2005, 05:16 PM   #45
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@ Dale03Ster: Han and lando putted up a game of Sabbac, and Lando didn't wany to lose anymore money. In a fun moment he said: Choose a ship, then!
And han won, and instead of taking a shiny cruiser from Bespin, he took a freighter that almost fell apart, but with some repairs still was a very good ship. Lando wanted to repair it for himself, however, and didn't expect Solo to choose the Falcon. That's why lando was so pissed of.

And why did you bother typing this...

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In Episode IV if you had seen Lando being the owner of the Falcon and then Han in Episode V, and they pull off the same gambling line, I wouldn't have liked the the Falcon as much...
Reread that :P
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Old 08-31-2005, 05:19 PM   #46
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Well back on topic. I would not like to see G0T0 back. That's about the only character who I hated in all of the games.


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Old 08-31-2005, 07:26 PM   #47
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Definitely wouldn't want a situation where you were forced to accept that Revan and the Exile were both LS male or something, because the devs couldn't be bothered to include all the different combinations from the endings of the previous games.

@Darth Sooges: I don't mind G0T0, I thought he was an interesting character, though maybe not as a party member next time round. He's still head of the Exchange (isn't he?) and the Exchange is pretty cool.


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Old 08-31-2005, 07:54 PM   #48
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I agree he should still be in the game, just not a party member.


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Old 09-01-2005, 07:37 PM   #49
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Personally I think G0T0 is the only interesting character in TSL and the only one with a backstory.

As for the continuation of Revan's and Exile's story. I would rather not. Revan's past is a mysterious one and gives him flair. His future is uncertain and leaves you to draw your own conclusions.

...and the Exile... I really hate that guy (and seriously dislike the person who wrote his premise). Oooo, he is so cool, he is an echo in the force, he touches the lives of everyone and sucks their energies, he is sooooo baaaad and cooool and is the plot-twist-daddy-of-the-sith-lords and Revan's brother... fricken die already!

Revan is Revan so they can leave it at that and the exile is just boring and uninteresting so they can drop him too and set K3 - 100 years later dealing with the recovering galaxy. The droids and the hawk are still around and a bright new story with bright new characters can take their place.


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Old 09-01-2005, 08:55 PM   #50
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Personally I think G0T0 is the only interesting character in TSL and the only one with a backstory.

As for the continuation of Revan's and Exile's story. I would rather not. Revan's past is a mysterious one and gives him flair. His future is uncertain and leaves you to draw your own conclusions.

...and the Exile... I really hate that guy (and seriously dislike the person who wrote his premise). Oooo, he is so cool, he is an echo in the force, he touches the lives of everyone and sucks their energies, he is sooooo baaaad and cooool and is the plot-twist-daddy-of-the-sith-lords and Revan's brother... fricken die already!

Revan is Revan so they can leave it at that and the exile is just boring and uninteresting so they can drop him too and set K3 - 100 years later dealing with the recovering galaxy. The droids and the hawk are still around and a bright new story with bright new characters can take their place.

What????? Are you crazy? The story is unfinished. I want to know what happened to Revan and what happened with the true sith. Leaving the story like this is like saying..."Oh, you know Bob? Something happened to him." and just leaving it like that. I want to know, dammit.
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Old 09-02-2005, 12:08 AM   #51
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I aggree the Ebon Hawk was cool but it does die on Malachor. Go to the menu and go to movies and go to like the "death of the ebon hawk"or something like that, dont quote me on the name. but it does show the Ebon Hawk falling into the depths of malachor and it is destroyed.
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Old 09-02-2005, 02:22 AM   #52
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Personally I think G0T0 is the only interesting character in TSL and the only one with a backstory.
I agree! G0-T0 is also a true patriot of the Republic... Once you start talking to him he is really cool!

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but it does show the Ebon Hawk falling into the depths of malachor and it is destroyed.
Or so they want you to think!


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Old 09-02-2005, 05:36 AM   #53
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I don't really care about whether the Ebon Hawk makes a comeback, but I definitely do not want a new story: it would make the ending of TSL a hundred times worse than it already is. Besides, most of the events in the two games, barring the Mandalorian Wars, took place because of Revan's realisation of a Sith'ari threat and you need to know how this is resolved since it's such a fundamental part of the story.

And by "need to know how this is resolved" I mean actually playing it, not confirming or disconfirming a rumour you're told by a guy in a force cage in an asteroid mining colony 100 years later.


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Old 09-02-2005, 07:48 AM   #54
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Hm let me think. I most definitely don't want to start as a non-Jedi character or a Jedi without a lightsaber suffering some type of amnesia again ~~
Taris was cool in KOTOR, Peragus II was already kinda lame til the arrival of the Harbinger, you don't have not nearly as much things to discover like you can on Taris. A similar scenario for the beginning of KOTOR III would just be poor imo...

Concering the story:
The devs should stay with the plot for KOTOR III in the storyline of KOTOR and TSL. To start a completely new setting and leaving the old one so incomplete as it is now, that'd be so stupid that it is unlikely already.
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Old 09-02-2005, 08:04 AM   #55
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Spontaneously there's a few characters I don't want to see again in KIII

- Disciple no, no, no, NO!
- Hanharr OR Big Z, I'm not a wookiee-type
- GO-TO - A droid with an agenda, C'mon, we already have HK-47 for that.


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Old 09-02-2005, 11:43 PM   #56
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Old 09-03-2005, 03:57 AM   #57
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Old 09-03-2005, 04:15 AM   #58
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What????? Are you crazy? The story is unfinished. I want to know what happened to Revan and what happened with the true sith. Leaving the story like this is like saying..."Oh, you know Bob? Something happened to him."
I don't have a problem with that. I DON'T want to know what happened to Revan. I have my own ideas about him. Revan is the "Neo" of the Old Republic. He is left the saviour and badass at the end of the Matrix, then his mystique is shattered in the sequels. He was made out to be a cool cat and got the ultimate perfect ending in the first movie and what happened when they told the rest of his story? I could hardly wipe my a$$ with the quality of it. A half-a$$ed attempt at making it epic... failing in the worst possible way (epic has nothing to do with the techno-kung-fu vibe of Matrix). I would rather not have Revan meet the same - half-assed attempt at making him epic - fate.

No, Revan is the mysterious lonely hero. There is no need to play or see his end. His mystique is a part of what makes him so good/cool/gnarly/awesome/etc. That's why we like him.



As for the Exile I don't CARE what happens to that idiot.

But ok, I'll give it a chance as long as the writers of K3 are not the ones responsible for TSL.


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Old 09-03-2005, 05:01 AM   #59
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Darth Revan....A must

I think that Revan is a must in KOTOR 3. He was the main charater in 1 and was mentioned throughout 2.

I also like Korriban. It was my favorite planet in 1 but I agree something new needs to be added.

My favorite aspect of both are the tombs. In 1 where you visit the 4 on Korriban. And in 2 where you visit Freedon Nadd. I like the suggestion of Yavin 4 for two reasons. I think this would be a great planet to visit to give us a new look at Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope....also we could visit the tomb of Exar Khun. (sp?)

Have to stay....
1} Revan..I like revan....I know I will get a lot of responses back ... but In my humble opinion...the most powerful Sith Lord ever..this is his story
2} T-3 and HK are a must...they are the C3 and R2 of knights.
3} Carth....only if I can kill him
4} Tombs...they have been important parts of the first two and a personal fav
5} Romance...male and female
6} Jedi Robes...light and dark side...different options
7} Side quests...Main charater and minor characters..need more

Have to go....
1} Go-To has to go....terrible
2} Too long without a lightsaber
3} Old lady Sith
4} Manaan, A toothache playing that planet.


Some of my thoughts so far.....I'm sure I will have more


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Old 09-03-2005, 01:13 PM   #60
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I personally would really like to not see T3 or Carth in the next game. Also I'd like to maybe see some more new armor skins in the next one, as opposed to just taking them from K1 and recoloring them.
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Old 09-03-2005, 05:25 PM   #61
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As far as the Hawk goes... The exile could have taken it and pissed off to where ever he went and you could get the Millenium Falcon to go chase after him. By episode IV the Falcon was already supposed to have been around more than a t'wilek dancing girl in the Nar Shaada red light district, so why not incorperate some Falcon back story into KOTOR 3? Like how it was first commisioned to be your high speed, heavily armed personal transport blah blah blah. And G0-T0? More like "Got to go". As a playable charachter he was just stupid. Why not have him be some kind of boss (not a big boss, just some low level pain in the butt boss) and have a mission where HK gets to blow the $hit out of him, assasin droid style? Have a mission where the game gets all "splinter cell" for a little while. HK's always whining about not getting to do assassin type stuff, so why not?

Oh and don't make the ending stupid this time! What the hell was with TSL's ending? What a bag of A$$!
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Old 09-03-2005, 06:24 PM   #62
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OK, this may go off the topic of what should NOT go in, but that last thought you brought up, Obi-Wan Bubbles, really sounds great.

K2 already had T3 solo missions (and that stupid protocol droid one). I'd really be looking forward to some HK-47 solo action.


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Old 09-04-2005, 01:54 PM   #63
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Things I definately DO NOT WANT in Kotor 3:

1. The same damn game engine. The engine was already dated when the first game came out. License an engine from someone else. Not only will it very likely look and perform better, but it will also free up time for developing other aspects of the game.

2. A Xbox version first. Here's a better idea; develop the PC version before the Xbox version. What this will do is make a better performing and much more stable version of the game, and what with the extreme similarities between PC and Xbox coding, it would probably work out for the best, making the game stable on BOTH systems, with very few bugs (related to performance at least)


Now on to what I DO WANT:

1. Better voice acting. I know it is a Star Wars standard as of late to have almost forced acting, but let's work on that a bit eh? While you are at it, put in more body language and movement animations for when someone is talking. Watching the NPCs have siezures while talking got kind of old.

2. Better quality cut scenes. The pre-rendered cut scenes in this series is disappointing to say the least. With the resources available, I would think they could get better cutscenes.

3. More time in SPACE. Maybe implement a Freelancer style gameplay for some space battles and exploration, instead of just clicking a button and suddenly being at a planet.

4. Finally, although I know many people will hate me for saying this, but the game needs a change in pace. It needs a new combat system, with smoother, more cinematic animations. The combat queue was a great way of doing things, but they need something new.
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Old 09-04-2005, 02:49 PM   #64
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what i DONT want in kotorIII is RACISM. i have seen alot and enough of it in kotorI. i havent played kotorII yet so i dont know if there's any in it, so dont spoil anything for me.
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I aggree the Ebon Hawk was cool but it does die on Malachor. Go to the menu and go to movies and go to like the "death of the ebon hawk"or something like that, dont quote me on the name. but it does show the Ebon Hawk falling into the depths of malachor and it is destroyed.
o on the contrary my friend, if you watched it, it falls and then when you defeat kreia, the academy starts to fall then the ebon hawk rises up and takes you off into the unknown regions, and also wouldnt goto and remote be gone? if they were to stay on Malachor V to keep the generators from failing, then u float off into this mist of colors as i would say, am i not right?


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Old 09-04-2005, 05:02 PM   #66
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what i DONT want in kotorIII is RACISM. i have seen alot and enough of it in kotorI. i havent played kotorII yet so i dont know if there's any in it, so dont spoil anything for me.
Huh? Racism? Against aliens or against "human races"? I still have no idea what this post is about.


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Old 09-04-2005, 05:33 PM   #67
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Huh? Racism? Against aliens or against "human races"? I still have no idea what this post is about.
There is racism on Taris and in the Juhani quest in K1. The sith are racist, (don't ask me why considering that some sith characters are aliens), both in K1 and in the movies, (although this doesn't come through very well until you read the novelizations of the movies).
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Huh? Racism? Against aliens or against "human races"? I still have no idea what this post is about.
lots of racism on taris. the old guy preaching about how humans should destroy all aliens. how the kids were beating up the alien. oh and that anti-cathar idiot.
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1. Better voice acting. I know it is a Star Wars standard as of late to have almost forced acting, but let's work on that a bit eh? While you are at it, put in more body language and movement animations for when someone is talking. Watching the NPCs have siezures while talking got kind of old.
Voice acting in the two games so far was very good in my opinion, and certainly not as forced as it was in the recent films. But I do agree that the cutscenes themselves were very static and more movement and action would be very welcome.

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what i DONT want in kotorIII is RACISM. i have seen alot and enough of it in kotorI. i havent played kotorII yet so i dont know if there's any in it, so dont spoil anything for me.
What's wrong with racism in the game? Racism exists and closing your eyes to it won't prevent it. As ugly as it is, I'm glad that the game acknowledged it's existence if only as a reflection of our own society. It's not a fault if a game isn't purely about escapism.


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What's wrong with racism in the game? Racism exists and closing your eyes to it won't prevent it. As ugly as it is, I'm glad that the game acknowledged it's existence if only as a reflection of our own society. It's not a fault if a game isn't purely about escapism.
I fully agree. I thought there was some racist comments that were glorified or something.

In the game, racism isn't glorified at all. The man on Taris gets flak from your NPCs because of his propaganda.
The game shows how racism is. Does it mean it's a bad thing? Yes, racism is bad, but not facing reality is worse. If people close their eyes on such important issues, where will the world go?
The game shows all kinds of social issues and sheds some light on them in a caricatural way.


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Old 09-05-2005, 10:04 PM   #71
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Oh... I have one more thing to add.

I want new planets. Maybe some more time in the core instead of the outer rims. Like make the starting planet Coruscant or something.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:50 AM   #73
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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Revan officially male. Also i don't want that stupid turret game in kotor III. It's too damn easy. But at least in KOTOR II the game didn't feel the need to have the fighters attack you every other planet you went to late in the game. Try going between planets in KOTOR when you need to find the last Star Map and you'll see. Very annoying.
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Old 09-07-2005, 03:42 AM   #74
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Now that I think of it:

I don't want the game to be fundamentally the same for both DS and LS characters. Sure you get a different cut scene at the end if you are light side or dark but other than that what is different? You can still use DS powers if you are LS it just costs more FP. Even quests that are DS are still available you just take a DS hit.

The light and dark sides are quite different so the game should feel different. Things like specific quests, NPC's, maybe even planets should be available to only one side.

Plus as some of the threads have stated the way you interact with people should change. More sick and twisted dialog options to DS players. Like when you could get Zalbarr to kill Mission. That is a real Sith Lord option. Not give me 50 credits or else but using your malevolent will to twist others to do your horrible bidding.

The options could also change based on prestige class. More violent ones for the evil Weapon Masters, more explorative options for Assasins. And for Sith Lords, my favourite class, have them be able to break the will of people to do your bidding. Its not just about fighting but feeling like a Jedi or a Sith.

Also like in Fable the world could react to you and the aura you present. Some good people will not talk to you if you are evil or may run away. Provides a reason why you don't get certain quests.

Also some people will be attracted to you or even fight you. So basically the galaxy changes somewhat and reacts to your alignment. Just do the opposite for the good side, but I think the options for LS PC's are already pretty good but for evil ones its pretty horrible. I'm a Sith Lord not a ****ing Sith Thug.
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Now that I think of it:

I don't want the game to be fundamentally the same for both DS and LS characters. Sure you get a different cut scene at the end if you are light side or dark but other than that what is different? You can still use DS powers if you are LS it just costs more FP. Even quests that are DS are still available you just take a DS hit.

The light and dark sides are quite different so the game should feel different. Things like specific quests, NPC's, maybe even planets should be available to only one side.

Plus as some of the threads have stated the way you interact with people should change. More sick and twisted dialog options to DS players. Like when you could get Zalbarr to kill Mission. That is a real Sith Lord option. Not give me 50 credits or else but using your malevolent will to twist others to do your horrible bidding.

The options could also change based on prestige class. More violent ones for the evil Weapon Masters, more explorative options for Assasins. And for Sith Lords, my favourite class, have them be able to break the will of people to do your bidding. Its not just about fighting but feeling like a Jedi or a Sith.

Also like in Fable the world could react to you and the aura you present. Some good people will not talk to you if you are evil or may run away. Provides a reason why you don't get certain quests.

Also some people will be attracted to you or even fight you. So basically the galaxy changes somewhat and reacts to your alignment. Just do the opposite for the good side, but I think the options for LS PC's are already pretty good but for evil ones its pretty horrible. I'm a Sith Lord not a ****ing Sith Thug.
Yep, yep, yep, yep! I totally agree with everything here. Just one thing, though. In order for alignment based triggers to work correctly they're going to have to make the influence system work correctly. My NPC's alignments jump around even at 100% influence and Zez Kai Ell's response to my presence on Nar Shaddaa is random...if I am LS and have run around and helped everyone he still sometimes says I am a bad person or vice versa, but most of the time he says I have done bad things and good things and is confused by my presence. You don't want to be playing a game where quests are triggered by your alignment and get quests that are opposite of what you should get because the alignment/influence system isn't working properly.
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What I don't want:
The same control scheme on the PC that is unlike most 1st/3rd person games.

Why not allow my character to move laterally to go around obstacles instead of turning around and running in a tight circle? I really don't want to have to hold down my right mouse button to move.

What I do want:
The equivalent of the NWN Toolset, 3DS Max import/export scripts and some documentation.


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I really don't want to have to hold down my right mouse button to move.
Why don't you just use keys? I never use the mouse for movement...

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Don't Want KoToR III on 360

Frankly, Nothing against next gen, but I certainly hope
that it comes out for the OG Xbox. It was KOTOR that
inspired me to buy the 'Box in the 1st. place.
Sure, I imagine that it will wind up on 360 anyway, but
the stuff that made this series great has little if anything to
do with cutting edge graphics and framerate (hahhah)
and instead represents a killer story, and great characters
that are often more real than the film series' cardboard cutouts.
Nuthing against Billy Dee and Harry Ford, but Hailey Joe, and the
other Ani, this means YOU!
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Well chances are the things I don't want have already been said but I don't want to read the whole thread to find out.

1) Nar Shadaa - For the love of god! Never take me back to that god-for-saken planet!
2) Bao-Dur - Completely useless and an annoying voice.
3)A new PC character - It needs to stay as either Revan or the Exile, don't bring in a new character.
4) Bastila not being a recruitable character - She is the greatest NPC in either game so we need her as a recruitable character again!
5) The game to be half finished - No more cut content, we need a full game!

Well so far that's all I can think of. These are my main not-wants for K3.

EDIT: Oh yeah one last thing

6) The same engine - The KotOR I engine is a little dated now. We need a brand-spankin' new style for KotOR III


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Things I'd like to see in KOTOR III:

1) Play as Revan or the Exile, no need for a new character.
2) Bring some of the characters from the other games back - Bastilla, Atton and maybe a few more.
3) Offer some more alien speak. It gets so repetitive and annoying. They can be saying a 3 word dialogue and he can be goin' on for ages.
4) A few more Planets would be cool.
5) I'd like to see more of the HK droids, I thought that was a nice idea.

That's it for now - I'll try and think of some more.
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