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Old 09-26-2005, 11:46 PM   #81
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un... why are we talking about stargate, this is a starwars fourm, and alough bulletguns for BF2 would bee cool, how would the jedi delect bullets? unless suddenly lucasarts give jedis Neo/Matrix powers, but you don't want me to get into that....

added later... and besides, they will have heros other then jedi, like leia, han, commander cody and other people covering for luke and vader on the battfield, oh and did i say veers?


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Old 09-26-2005, 11:48 PM   #82
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un... why are we talking about stargate, this is a starwars fourm, and alough bulletguns for BF2 would bee cool, how would the jedi delect bullets? unless suddenly lucasarts give jedis Neo/Matrix powers, but you don't want me to get into that....
They couldn't deflect them, just burn them up with the blade. And actually, there were Matrix moves in JK2 and JA for Force-users...
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Old 09-26-2005, 11:51 PM   #83
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actually the lightsaber prodouced a light blade taht is thinner than a few moucloes of atoms put together, so it can cut through anything, so if someone shoots towards a jedi's forhead and the jedi cuts the bullet, it would split in half and have the effect of 2 bullets instead of just one on the jedi's forhead... not a good idea....
but still it would be cool if jedis had matrix powers! i know it would be totally messed up and stuff but still, coolness is everthing and luke does have a blue saber on hoth!!!!
oh you mean like the JA side wall run and stuff, taht move is cool.


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Old 09-27-2005, 01:10 AM   #84
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do they? they've had Windu alive in the temple attack, they have Jango on the battle for Kashyyk, they call the galactic marines "clone commander", and the actual commander, commander Baacara, "Heavy Trooper" >_> they gave Luke a green saber on Hoth (lazy buggers) and gave Aayla Secura two sabers (there must be a reason for this), even had 501st troopers on Utapu. and ofcorse, they gave the magna gaurds guns. and, they might even have the BOH. WHY would you want the BOH in a battle front game?! it's not designed for Jedi dueling! and apparently, Rebels that have LAAT's (Republic Gunships) in space. W. T. F. Yoda has his saber on Dagobah (altho that is cool, fighting as him in Degobah) somehow they have Palpatine on DStar2 WITH his red saber
let me re-phrase the title, have the dev team watched ANYTHING to do with Star Wars- ever?

so I ask you, dose the team just go on instinct, or guess work? did some one have to explain to them what Star Wars is when they signed up? or do they know more about Star Wars than we think, but are too lazy to skin a different trooper for each planet?

*edit* and I just heard that they have removed Rhen Var and Bespin, dammit they were some of my faverote maps, I love the bespin platforms map!
Well it's a beta, so I expect some of that stuff to change, but bear in mind these were the guys who did Battlefront. Movie accuracy doesn't seem high on their list. There were no Dark Troopers anywhere in the movies, and yet we have them in every major Imperial battle for example. Likewise since when are ARC Troopers on Geonosis, much less as Rocket Launcher users? Super Battle Droids fighting on Naboo? Etc.

You could rationalize some of the stuff as "what if" battles and including material freely borrowed from EU sources (the LAAT's in space comes from the Clone Wars series), but still. It's a game, they're taking all sorts of shortcuts. Sadly, movie-purists won't get their fix this way, without mods...

I wasn't too fond of Bespin (horrible to play single player.. bad hot spots for example). But Rhen Var I liked a lot, and I never even heard of it before I played this game. The Clone Wars versions were some of the most fun in the game I thought. Here I thought this game was supposed to "replace" SWBF1... leaving the only reason to play SWBF1 on the PC at all was for the AOTC style clone troopers. If they start deleting maps that kinda defeats the purpose... :P

Hopefully they'll add them back in the (inevitable) first patch...


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Old 09-27-2005, 01:23 AM   #85
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Wait, did somebody mention "jedi duels"?

Are those even POSSIBLE in this game? I thought you either were limited to one Jedi per map (so one side doesn't get them?)... and even if that isn't true, how about the actual combat.

In SWBF1's playable Jedi Mod the Jedi have exactly ONE SWING since that's all the AI Jedi got, an instant kill move. So how do you duel with that? Are they being given a repetoire of moves and blocks? If a Jedi is based on time (and not damage, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, doing it with both seems sensible enough), what good is a duel? You'd just have two invincible warriors hacking into each other constantly, until their time was up and they walk off the map. What's the point in that?

Or am I wrong and did they add in the ability for two Jedi to fight one another on the battle field rather than just distract each other?


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Old 09-27-2005, 03:02 AM   #86
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U ever played JK (doesnt matter which one)? Jedi Battles are exactly what u said, 2 Peeps with a saber hacking each other until 1 dies (is the same like leaving the battlefield), but back to ur Question, in the Chatlog (dunno which thread the link is) they mentioned a Celibrity Deathmatch Mode, where everyone can be a Hero, so in Fact it means on a 18 Peeps Server in the worste case
9 Obi Wans Vs. 9 Jango Fetts or even lets say 9 Windus Vs 9 Dookus, to the question about the duels, well its not like in Moviebattles 2 where u have Attack on 1st Mouse Button and Block on 2nd Mouse button, in SWBF Jedi share the first button for attack and Block, and switching the mode is more difficult to just press another button, anyway since Swinging the Lightsaber doesnt cost anything u can swing a lifetime until ur time runs out, so the one who blocks first may wait forever until the other one stops attacking and start blocking himself...
any Special Moves, no just the normal rolling like the troops in SWBF i think and Force Jump...if the Jedi are immune to forces like push, pull, choke and Lightning there wont be much funny duels like in other games, than its just a stupid "Who hits first, wins" ok thats realistic but wont be much fun in the case of duelling....well it would even su** if the jedi cant lose their Lightsaber, otherwise they would just Saberthrow spam each other...That Saberthrow Spam is not possible in Movie Battles 2, if u throw ur opponent will block it in 97% of all cases and u lose ur lightsaber, and in some cases ur force resistence so u can get pushed or chocked around, etc...the SWBF2 Team (if they really want to add good Jedi) they should play Movie Battles 2 and copy some things, cause MB2 Jedis/Sith are the best ive ever seen in a Star Wars game...

and to all this "Jedi are overpowered in MB2" Cryers....i played MB2 long enough i know they are everything but not overpowered...even a single Soldier can take out some Jedi/Sith alone...get Reinforcements so u have 3 lifes, get a Grenade so u can 1 hit kill the Saberman with some skill + luck and if u are getting pushed around, try the walk or crouch button....walking or crouching gunner are immune to push and pull (atleast they dont fall over, they just get pushed back or pulled a bit closer) and a force using jedi is very very easy to damage, he cant deflect if he uses push, pull or whatever he wants..but thats a different game, too bad in my eyes....a combination of Battlefront and Moviebattles may become the best selling star wars game ever imo
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Old 09-27-2005, 03:19 AM   #87
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U ever played JK (doesnt matter which one)? Jedi Battles are exactly what u said, 2 Peeps with a saber hacking each other until 1 dies (is the same like leaving the battlefield),
No way. I have played JK1 (played it for 3 years, along with MotS!). The saber fighting in JK1 was much more complex than just one swing. Likewise it was a double swing so you could time it to hit your opponent at different parts. The saber in SWBF1 is like your typical FPS "no ammo" weapon.. your crowbar, axe, fist. It's a single strike no range hit. There's no blocking whatsoever (in SWBF1 the Jedi simply block everything, regardless of if it hits their blade or not, or else they block nothing, as in the Killable Jedi mod). In JK1/MotS you additionally had the primary swing which had 7 swings (6 plus the swing you used while swimming in water) that you could use in battle. And in MotS you could throw your saber! This is a far cry from the simplicity of SWBF1. SWBF's version is like having a crowbar duel in Half Life 1.

JK2/JA are an entirely different animal of course. While some people do just swing randomly and other people use only one move, you'd be hard pressed to prove that all duels are won only by one move and there is no skill involved (just watch, a huge debate will erupt, I'll sit that one out if that's the case, thanks!).

So my question is, will it be possible to have an actual duel in SWBF2, or not? Unless they modify the Jedi combat to an advanced degree, I hazard to say it won't be anything close...

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but back to ur Question, in the Chatlog (dunno which thread the link is) they mentioned a Celibrity Deathmatch Mode, where everyone can be a Hero, so in Fact it means on a 18 Peeps Server in the worste case
9 Obi Wans Vs. 9 Jango Fetts or even lets say 9 Windus Vs 9 Dookus, to the question about the duels, well its not like in Moviebattles 2 where u have Attack on 1st Mouse Button and Block on 2nd Mouse button, in SWBF Jedi share the first button for attack and Block, and switching the mode is more difficult to just press another button, anyway since Swinging the Lightsaber doesnt cost anything u can swing a lifetime until ur time runs out, so the one who blocks first may wait forever until the other one stops attacking and start blocking himself...
Interesting. This would imply that the heroes are killable (unless the goal is simply to complete your objectives before your characters all run out, but then the title "deathmatch" implies your goal is rather to kill the enemy). The question still remains, can the Jedi "duel" or just hack each other until one person runs out of health?

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any Special Moves, no just the normal rolling like the troops in SWBF i think and Force Jump...if the Jedi are immune to forces like push, pull, choke and Lightning there wont be much funny duels like in other games, than its just a stupid "Who hits first, wins" ok thats realistic but wont be much fun in the case of duelling....
My point exactly. The Jedi as is either block everything (pointless) or block nothing (no duel possible). Just run up to the guy and swing first, you win!

Honestly it would not bug me heavily if it was not possible to duel in this game, but they shouldn't advertise it (and fans shouldn't hope for it) if it's indeed just your usual one hit kill no range one swing and that's it.

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well it would even su** if the jedi cant lose their Lightsaber, otherwise they would just Saberthrow spam each other...That Saberthrow Spam is not possible in Movie Battles 2,
Saber Throw spam isn't possible in basejka (Jedi Academy 1.01) either, because the move uses up mana. The trouble happens only on servers where screw with forceregentime, making all moves that use up mana spammable.

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if u throw ur opponent will block it in 97% of all cases and u lose ur lightsaber, and in some cases ur force resistence so u can get pushed or chocked around, etc...the SWBF2 Team (if they really want to add good Jedi) they should play Movie Battles 2 and copy some things, cause MB2 Jedis/Sith are the best ive ever seen in a Star Wars game...
Honestly? The trouble with Jedi is you have to balance them vs. gunners AND against other Jedi. And this too in a game where you make Jedi "special" as a class that's not allowed to use other weapons (in the JK series the Dark/Jedi were generally the everyman soldier who just happened to have the ability to use force and saber when the situation called for it).

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and to all this "Jedi are overpowered in MB2" Cryers....i played MB2 long enough i know they are everything but not overpowered...even a single Soldier can take out some Jedi/Sith alone...get Reinforcements so u have 3 lifes, get a Grenade so u can 1 hit kill the Saberman with some skill + luck and if u are getting pushed around, try the walk or crouch button....walking or crouching gunner are immune to push and pull (atleast they dont fall over, they just get pushed back or pulled a bit closer) and a force using jedi is very very easy to damage, he cant deflect if he uses push, pull or whatever he wants..but thats a different game, too bad in my eyes....a combination of Battlefront and Moviebattles may become the best selling star wars game ever imo
The thing is, if the Jedi in SWBF2 are bonuses, and HEROES they they would be expected to be STRONGER than your average soldier, not "balanced." A powerup is called a powerup for a reason! Honestly Jedi should be stronger than your average soldier (the stupidity of the Prequel movie Jedi nonwithstanding of course). The fact that they made them a powerup rather than a class you could regularly pick allows them to beef up the character a bit if they want. Saying the Jedi should be balanced in SWBF2 is like arguing that the Quad Damage should be "balanced" with the players who don't have it in Quake3.

As I see it the Jedi are more powerful than your average soldier, but weaker than a player in a combat vehicle, so it's fine. Unless the person who's the Jedi has no idea what they're doing, they should have a (temporary) advantage. That's the point.


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Old 09-27-2005, 03:38 AM   #88
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well if u see the heroes as a powerup/bonus (like they are) it would be useless to make em stronger than the normal gunner, since Vehicles are not the bonus or powerup u have to earn like a hero for a period of time, if the gunner is underpowered, he will jump into a vehicle and "hide" there until the jedi runs out of time or just help him to leave the battlefield quicker, with his guns.

back to the CD Mode, dunno if its there a special Arena or map, cause i think it would suck if u have 9 Yodas Vs 9 Vaders...if they make such a mode they should free it from the Map Limitations, that means, EVERYONE can choosen EVERY Hero he wants, so in conclusion it may be Luke, Ben, Leia, Han, Chewbacca Vs. Vader, Boba, etc. u know? that would be a great game mode otherwise it really just would be a "Clone Wars" game mode...

I just saw 1 Duel in 1 Movie that was Griev Vs. Obi, and it didnt look like a funny duel since both were just standing around, Obi Instant Blocking unable to attack, and Griev swinging like mad without any exhaustion...im sure there will be some servers where u can try to duel, and i hope then it would not be such a dissapointment like it looks now
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Old 09-27-2005, 03:44 AM   #89
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I'm sure .50 cal would do the trick, but a standard M16 couldn't puncture it. And hey, the armor may be strong, but it ain't impact-resistant. Rocks don't count!
Well, I can assure you, that most "decent" assault rifles have a higher penetration and impact force than a rock. Anyway, I believe George was making it up as he went along.

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As I see it the Jedi are more powerful than your average soldier, but weaker than a player in a combat vehicle, so it's fine. Unless the person who's the Jedi has no idea what they're doing, they should have a (temporary) advantage. That's the point.
Interesting point, although in many FPS there is the problem of people just lurking around the powerups or just finding the quickest route to get the most pick-ups in the easiest way (I'm guilty of that, I'll never attack at below 110 health!) I dunno if this might make online play too dominated by people wanting to be the Jedi and just killing for the bonus, rather than actually as part of a team.


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Thats why i want em balanced and not to be uber compared to the grunts

again the time to compare SWBF with MB2, in MB2 the SaberFighters are balanced and they are not that uber used like everyone thinks, beeing a jedi there is not a guarantee to win, if u rush ur enemy (even if they are just 2 soliders) u will surely lose until ur not the mega Skiller and the gunners suck...Jedis without teamplay in MB2 are doomed just like anyone else who thinks he is a 1 man army and can kill the whole team alone..if u force em to be teamplayers there wont be pure Jedi Vs. Sith servers, if they hold em like they are, Invincible Monster Instant Kill Tanks, there wont be any teamplay from the hero player, he will just go on a rampage until his time runs out....

anyway here the quote from the devchat about the CD :

RoakanaZombie: Think of it more like Quad Damage or a boss unit in other games. Its a cool and unique experience but rare. The one exception to this is Celebrity Deathmatch where everyone can be a hero. That is pretty cool.

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well if u see the heroes as a powerup/bonus (like they are) it would be useless to make em stronger than the normal gunner, since Vehicles are not the bonus or powerup u have to earn like a hero for a period of time, if the gunner is underpowered, he will jump into a vehicle and "hide" there until the jedi runs out of time or just help him to leave the battlefield quicker, with his guns.
But it's also true that not every map has vehicles, and there isn't a vehicle for every player on a team, you often find yourself without access to one. A Jedi can appear "anytime" or "anywhere." If a Jedi can be taken out easily by a single guy with a gun, what's the point of granting it as a bonus? You actually would be becoming weaker, because instead of a guy with a ranged attack you're now a guy who can only kill by getting right up in somebody's face.

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I just saw 1 Duel in 1 Movie that was Griev Vs. Obi, and it didnt look like a funny duel since both were just standing around, Obi Instant Blocking unable to attack, and Griev swinging like mad without any exhaustion...im sure there will be some servers where u can try to duel, and i hope then it would not be such a dissapointment like it looks now
Ah, more movie unrealism, since the two can't fight the way they did in the movies! (no whipping out blasters or electrostaves or getting into vehicles)

Anyway, doesn't sound like a duel to me, more like what I was saying about SWBF1's Jedi given controllability. Sounds like people will try it at first until they realize it's no fun and then give up. The only reason I can see to attack another melee weapon Hero would be just to distract them from your teammates.

There would be no point at all to "teamplay" among Jedi because you only ever get one per team. Unless you mean a Jedi supporting a group of grunts. But what's the point... all things being equal, a grunt with a gun is more useful than a grunt with a melee weapon. So being a Jedi would be a disadvantage under your system methinks...


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well the point of granting em as a bonus should be then a skill question not a "if u get the 2 first kills u will be God over a period of time" thing... dunno how about u but i would like a bonus that i can make my team stronger with helping em as a balanced jedi more than a God Mode One Person Rampage Bonus..

well if that griev Obi thing doesnt sound like a duel for u, i think we both will be dissapointed in the point of duelling since that was the only scene where 2 Saberfighters are close to eachother in SWBF2 and "fighting"
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well the point of granting em as a bonus should be then a skill question not a "if u get the 2 first kills u will be God over a period of time" thing... dunno how about u but i would like a bonus that i can make my team stronger with helping em as a balanced jedi more than a God Mode One Person Rampage Bonus..
Actually the "skill" is earning the Jedi in the first place. Why bother making being a Jedi require greater skill after that?

Take the game Rune for example. You deal enough damage and suddenly you get BLOODLUSTED! This means you're invulnerable and your strikes do HUGE damage, plus you're scary as hell because you make sound noises when you walk and your eyes glow read, etc. It's awesome. And it's completely skillless because you can just burn through anybody nearby, they'd be smart to run away! It's on a timer, and once it runs out you're back to normal. Getting hit just shortens your "bloodlust bar" a bit more. I don't see what's so objectionable about making the Jedi the same way.

Are the Jedi in MB2 "earned"? If they're not, then they can't be in any way compared I think.

Getting a Jedi in SWBF2 is akin to grabbing the Quad Damage in Quake3. People around you should go "oh s***" rather than "oh, he's just as weak us us he just can't shoot now."

Jedi already can be taken out easily by combat vehicles, why do we need to balance them with individual blaster carrying grunts? Is it to makeup for a lack of teamwork against them? Unlike Jedi Academy, this isn't a deathmatch game, so unless we're setting up a duel mode, I question the "wisdom" you're suggesting here, no offense!

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Yeah. Was this a developer demonstration or just some players messing around? Because if they were demonstrating it you'd think they'd show us everything they had, ie... something done that they intended people to do. This sort of "dueling" is pathetic. I mean at least if you have two guys circle strafing around each other firing their rifles that's something. One guy slapping the other in the face and then the other slapping the first guy, that's not what we think of when we think of saber duels in the movies or the JK series, it's just not acceptable.


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I think it was the second OFFICIAL Trailer which was showing that "Duel"

Dont tell me it takes skill to make the first 2 kills to become the hero, u just have to be the first on the server, get into a vehicle and rush the enemy, ok the Vehicles now have weak point and the engineers can slice peeps out of their vehicles but a vehicle remains stronger than a gunner so its not that difficult to "earn" the hero even if u raise the kill amount needed.... You dont have to be God to be scarry, even your skill can scare the enemy, if u got some, and even if the jedi would be balanced they wont be as weak as the grunts, the Force makes the difference, Force jump dont make em less balanced cause grunts have the jetpack as kinda equivalent even if u cant use it all the time...even a balanced class can be superior in the right hands...

which Jedi may become faster boring to play

1. the one with his god mode that doesnt need skill and his anti teamplay emphasis

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2. The Jedi which can be a strong weapon and help for the Team if u have earned enough skill with it maybe in single player but without a frustrating godmode for the enemy


In my opinion would become the first 1 faster boring because if a Gunner sees a God Mode Jedi he will run into a vehicle and blast me until my Bonus leaves the battlefield....thats not fun to any side, neither the jedi player nor the grunt cause he cant kill me with his gun

In MB2 their not a bonus in that way of thinking, but if an unskilled jedi joins ur team its kinda useless for the team, so the Jedi/Sith in Movie Battles is a Bonus if u are skilled with it cause, how mentioned above, the force makes the difference, even if the jedi are balanced amongst the gunners

and of course the jedi/sith are not melee only in SWBF2, cause they have the force, u can even Lightning, Choke, Push or Pull the Grunts over a certain distance and throw ur saber so u are not doomed to melee only
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...ok the Vehicles now have weak point and the engineers can slice peeps out of their vehicles...
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Who knows... I imagined the "weak point" would be like on the space maps if you shoot a craft in a certain area it takes more damage than elsewhere (sort of like in JKA where you could destroy a wing to destroy a craft, rather than just shooting it all over). Area damage on vehicles is kind of a neat idea, but there's no way to defend against it... So essentially they're trying to make vehicles easier to destroy.

As to an engineer slicing somebody out of their vehicle, that sounds like the Pilot using his fusion cutter on a vehicle and the person inside it "pops out"... Is that correct?

How many times is that going to happen? Is it difficult? Wouldn't they notice the guy standing right next to them for a minute or so? Then again, perhaps not... and couldn't they jump back in?

Or does "slicing" a vehicle mean that the enemy becomes unable to use the vehicle anymore? More info please...


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here is some information about vehicle weak points and "slicing".


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It's for the PS2, but surely relevant to the other versions (from your above link on Gamespy):

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Those of you familiar with the original Battlefront will probably remember the behemoths we called vehicles. You know, those vehicles that took two rocket-launcher units nearly their entire stash of rockets to destroy. The same vehicles that could stay alive long enough to see the fall of the Empire (or the Rebellion, depending on how you played it). We've learned our lesson, and we've made a few improvements that will make both ground units and vehicle pilots very happy.

Let's start with making the infantry players happy. Have you ever dreamed of destroying an AT-ST with one well-aimed shot? Getting hoisted on the shoulders of your comrades as they chanted your name, dubbing you the "Chicken Killer?" Well, guess what? You can't. BUT, you can do it in less than two hits thanks to our new critical hit locations! Most of our ground vehicles are equipped with shiny new critical systems that will allow various weapons to dish out massive damage. Keeping the AT-ST as my test subject, a skilled Rebel Vanguard (the Alliance's rocket launcher unit) can cause some serious trouble if they discover and target the AT-ST's critical hit location. With just one well-aimed rocket, they can potentially tear through 75 percent of the AT-ST's health! I did say that a skilled Vanguard could do this. Finding the critical systems on each vehicle is one task. Hitting them is another.




Now, before I introduce you to some new vehicle features, I'll bring up one last bit of infantry information: slicing. Slicing is hacking, and hacking is car-jacking. Pull out your fusion cutter and rip your enemy out of their own vehicle! Take 'em out, steal their AT-ST (this sounds awfully familiar to an Endor moment, doesn't it?) and use their own vehicle against them!

I can already see those of you who pilot vehicles frowning. Do not fret! First of all, you're still incredibly deadly against infantry units, if not more so now. Secondly, critical systems can work in your favor as well. If you catch an enemy vehicle off guard, and you have a clear shot, you're more than welcome to send them home packing. Unlike infantry units, several vehicle ordnance types have the ability to cause enough critical damage and destroy another vehicle in just one attack.
I am just skimming the article here, but here's another interesting bit at the end:

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We know everyone has their own style of play, and we like to think that Battlefront II caters to a wide variety of gamers. So going along with that logic, we thought it would be a great idea to diversify our starfighters. We've split them up into four categories: Scout, Multi-Purpose, Bombers, and Transports.

Scouts, like your A-wings, are fast and deadly dogfighters. Multi-Purpose starfighters, like your ARC-170 starfighter, are capable of both dogfighting and assaulting capital ships with equal effect. Bombers are your heavy hitters, so starfighters such as the TIE bomber are your best source of damage when targeting frigates and capital ships. Finally, we have Transports, such as the droid gunship. These mammoths allow you to successfully board enemy ships.

Any starfighter can land in an enemy hangar, but Transports have a few added perks. One such perk is being able to load up on passengers. Some of these ships can carry a crew of six from one capital ship to another with several gunner positions (each Transport is equipped with a Remote Rocket position) to man while making the trek. If that wasn't enough, once the ship docks in the enemy's hangar it becomes a mobile spawn point. As long as your Transport remains intact, you'll always have a spawn point right in the heart of the enemy's headquarters!


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ouch... i'm confused, do any of you have lives outside of BF and BF2? i mean then are great games and all, and i play them alot and like them, but it's not the end of the world if there are plot problem and bugs in BF2, and remember this quote... "the jedi are not all powerful." and so aren't the people at lucasarts and pandemic. and besides who cares about small plot errors, the game is fair and we all have fun, that's the point of a game, to play it and have fun... not to argue over how everthing will be, and remeber everthing will be reveled in time, young one....

added later... and did you know that if a invin jedi hero get into a vehicle in BF1 and the vehicle was destroyer, the jedi would die like a normal trooper?


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Believe it or not, some people, myself included, actually *gasp* care about realism in games! As in, it's not just one big jumble of crap that doesn't make sense.

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Okay, then what's SWBF's point?
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hey i'm impressed by realism in games too, but i'm also impressed with rich people, cool pics and tall buildings... so taht doesn't say much
un to have fun... don't tell me you don't have fun when playing BF!


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Old 09-27-2005, 09:25 PM   #102
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un to have fun... don't tell me you don't have fun when playing BF!
Depends on what you mean by "BF."

Star Wars Battlefront or the Battlefield series? Battlefield 2 is insanely fun... while Battlefront is not.
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Old 09-27-2005, 10:45 PM   #103
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I am pretty sure it is Battlefront since this site is generally on battlefront.


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of couse i mean star wars battle front, but i agree battlefield2 rocks!!!!!!!!


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Old 09-28-2005, 04:08 AM   #105
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I knew there was a point playing games. To enjoy oneself. Personally, I'd prefer if the Empire and CIS always lost because they did in the films, and General Grievous died of asthma, as that's more realistic.


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Old 09-28-2005, 06:57 AM   #106
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Or if you wanted to be really realistic we could all wear rubber suits and run around pretending we are shooting at eachother inside a blue room.


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Old 09-28-2005, 07:26 PM   #107
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guys its just a fun game. Maybe it was just a coincidence that the galactic marines were with bacara he might just have elite clones i mean there is no reason to fight AM I RIGHT.
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guys its just a fun game.
Fixed.

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Maybe it was just a coincidence that the galactic marines were with bacara he might just have elite clones
That doesn't make sense. Just use the analogy that someone else made... it'd be like putting a Snowtrooper in place of the Imperial Officer. It doesn't make sense, and the only reason people aren't all fighting the Clone Commander is mainly because of a lack of knowledge of which clone is really which. If it were something like a Snowtrooper switched with an Imperial Officer, more people might actually notice something's not right here. But even then, I'm sure there'd be the rabid fanboys coming out trying to defend something like that.

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i mean there is no reason to fight AM I RIGHT.
I don't know. I guess not, because no way would the developers actually fix it. But we might as well bring it to the attention of potential buyers, am I right?
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But we might as well bring it to the attention of potential buyers, am I right?
Yep, your right, the buyers have a right to know about what's right or wrong about a game. But weather or not they decide to listen or even care is ultimatly their decision.


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Old 09-28-2005, 08:33 PM   #110
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I agree that the faults should be pointed out, but they should be with less emotion. Let the reader decide weather the game is good or not. Just point out the things that are wrong (such as color markings). Don't add emotions.

In response the vehicle weak points, looks like I need to pratice sniping more...



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SURE TK JUST MAKE FUN OF ME ALL THE TIME nah jp, well we dont know what bf2 is gonnna be like but im sure whatever it is it'll be fun
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So, how many "non-geek" Star Wars fans can tell Clones apart? I mean, Bacara's lot don't jog my memory at all even though I've seen the screenshot they're in. (And watched ep III). Most people who'll buy this game will be "WTF?" anyway, then learn, "Okay, clone commander" then they'll start blowing them away. It's called "not being a newb".
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Zerted, I'm guessing that this only because it's a Star Wars game. I mean, I hardly see a whole "let's list all the bugs of the game" even for Splinter Cell and MGS forums (well, not before at least half the forum have clocked it twice already).

BF2 is NOT marketed towards Star Wars Geeks. That's why they wont go into so much deatil with clone skins etc. They know the average gamer is under 30 (who doesn't clock up 24+ hours on messege boards ) and who likes the films but isn't interested in the books, or many of the other Star Wars games.

Think about this logically, could you market a game to the outside world if it was so anal to detail that you'd put casual fans right off? You know that "credible media sources" like to advertise games and right now, the only realism is expected in "Kill the Muslim" war games, sadly.

Not to say that they couldn't get skins and so on done, but they wont, as ultimately, from their point of view (and the expected "bling" they'll soon receive) why bother.


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So, how many "non-geek" Star Wars fans can tell Clones apart?
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Because there are no non-geek Star Wars fans.
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OKE GUYS STOP WHINING IF U DONT LIKE WHAT THE DEVS DID THEN DONT GET THE GAME OR EVEN BE ON THIS FORUM!!!!!!!!!!
So dont whine u all!!!!!

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maybe the Clone Commander just wears the same armour as galactic marine same coutns with heave trooper and bacara sincen its not the ONLY armnour made of that type u also saw Commander Neya with another guy on treir speederbikes in ep 3 THEY BOTH HAD THE XACT SAME ARMOUR now stop whineing! i do agree on the 501st troops on Utapau that is completely WRONG!

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Because there are no non-geek Star Wars fans.
Well, you ain't getting on MTV by being Geeky. You gotta be cool, rad, preferably black. "YouknowwhatI'msaying?"*

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RAD LOL jp. hes right its a game its not realistic and if you dont like what they are doing dont buy it
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OKE GUYS STOP WHINING IF U DONT LIKE WHAT THE DEVS DID THEN DONT GET THE GAME OR EVEN BE ON THIS FORUM!!!!!!!!!!
So dont whine u all!!!!!
What an intelligent and well-written post. Whining? I think you're the one whining. Whining about the critisism about SWBF2. So stop whining.

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maybe the Clone Commander just wears the same armour as galactic marine same coutns with heave trooper and bacara
May I ask if you have a source to back this up?

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sincen its not the ONLY armnour made of that type u also saw Commander Neya with another guy on treir speederbikes in ep 3 THEY BOTH HAD THE XACT SAME ARMOUR
Neyo's armor is not in SWBF2.

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Wait...is there even a Clone Commander? I mean, you have Jedi as Generals, but where does the millitary ranks come into this? Where are intel officers, paper-pushers, briefing and staffing crew? Who's giving the orders? What's the chain of command and where are all the lieutents?

Now the big question is what their uniforms are. Damn..


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do they? they've had Windu alive in the temple attack, they have Jango on the battle for Kashyyk, they call the galactic marines "clone commander", and the actual commander, commander Baacara, "Heavy Trooper" >_> they gave Luke a green saber on Hoth (lazy buggers) and gave Aayla Secura two sabers (there must be a reason for this), even had 501st troopers on Utapu. and ofcorse, they gave the magna gaurds guns. and, they might even have the BOH. WHY would you want the BOH in a battle front game?! it's not designed for Jedi dueling! and apparently, Rebels that have LAAT's (Republic Gunships) in space. W. T. F. Yoda has his saber on Dagobah (altho that is cool, fighting as him in Degobah) somehow they have Palpatine on DStar2 WITH his red saber
let me re-phrase the title, have the dev team watched ANYTHING to do with Star Wars- ever?

so I ask you, dose the team just go on instinct, or guess work? did some one have to explain to them what Star Wars is when they signed up? or do they know more about Star Wars than we think, but are too lazy to skin a different trooper for each planet?

*edit* and I just heard that they have removed Rhen Var and Bespin, dammit they were some of my faverote maps, I love the bespin platforms map!
Have you nothing better to do than complain!! theyve made 2 great games and all you can do is criticize them for doing somethings you dont like!!! Can't you just accept what you get!!


And games can't always be fairly judged by their screenshots!! The game could be totally different from the screens!! And does it have to be faithful to the movies if its fun! And how do you know Commander Bacara is the only one with that uniform!!!
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I don't know about you guys, but I can't tell the clones apart.

I mean sure, if you showed me a picture of a guy in yellow with those pipes coming out of his head and held a gun to my head I'd say "pilot" and I think green is sergant or something, but that's about all I can really remember without looking it up or somebody telling me.

I had no clue who "Bacara" was until I read the ROTS VD. His name is never mentioned in the movie (and the people who saw it 15 times can tell me if I'm wrong there!). I remember Commander Cody, he wore Orange, but he was really the only "Clone" with a speaking role (yelling indistinct orders in the background doesn't count!).

As far as "non-geek" I think he means people who don't obsessively read the guide books and own large amounts of merchandise, etc. so they "know every fact" about the franchise.

There are definatley levels of geekiness. Most of my "recognition" about what vehicle is what and what rank is what is based on playing the games over and over and over again... not from some inate knowledge I got from just watching the movies.

A baseline for a Star Wars fan is somebody who liked any Star Wars movie and thus calls themselves a "fan." They don't need to be a walking encyclopedia of Star Wars (and thus a geek!).

Now some would say that "liking Star Wars makes you a geek" but I don't think that's true at all. Star Wars is not really a "cult" film (not anymore anyway), it's rather mainstream. Some fans are more obsessed than others. So the casual fan is not going to know or care when he sees a Clone Scout using the wrong gun or whatnot. And as far as the vehicles go, typically there are two names for everything.. a "technical name" and a slang name. So you for example you have the "Juggernaut HAVw A6" which is also called the "Republic Turbo Tank." Both names are official!

I know what people are arguing here about getting the details right, but I also recognize that there is probably a point where most people don't care, and so the developers didn't feel obligated to go that extra mile. They obviously aren't at the level of geek that some of us are.

When it comes to Star Wars, if it's not in the games I play frequently or in the movies, I tend to not be very knowledgeable and need to look it up. I admit it!


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