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Old 03-23-2006, 09:48 AM   #81
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can you believe they already have mods for this game over at www.Oblivionsource.com
Indeed.

Though I trust Planet Elder Scrolls a little more since their mods have to go through a preview first (or at least used to)...

What sucks is I've already got tons of ideas for mods, but I promised myself to play this game through for awhile before "messing". Considering that although the game can be "beaten" it can literally take months to do 'everything' as far as sidequests and exploration...

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Old 03-23-2006, 09:51 AM   #82
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I haven't really been following it closely before release, but after checking it out it looks amazing! I'll have to upgrade my system to play it, I only have the minimun specs, but after I do that, I'd love to get this game


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Old 03-27-2006, 01:43 AM   #83
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Oblivion rocks! I'm not too happy with the pursuasion mode, but it's okay, i guess. I need to get an upgraded video card, but that's doable...
wow. it's just an awesome game. Morrowind isn't half as good as oblivion! I have found my new viseo game obsession...*runs off to play Oblivion*
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Old 03-27-2006, 06:56 AM   #84
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Oblivion is kinda' addictive...

It's def. an awesome game...


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Old 03-27-2006, 08:59 PM   #85
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Well, from what I'm reading it looks like I have to get this game next time I'm at Target!


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Old 03-27-2006, 10:07 PM   #86
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I got it in the mail friday for computer, it looks great, and runs perfectly after a few tweaks. It's probably going to eat my life.


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Old 03-28-2006, 12:54 AM   #87
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I can't wait to get this game, but I have to turn my pc on before I can get it


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Old 03-28-2006, 06:40 AM   #88
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Great game so far. It would be nice if the horses were able to carry more than just the rider. I was kinda hoping for a pack mule. Sneak attack is very cool, I've actually leveled the sneak skill more than any other skill, its a good thing I didn't make that a major skill.

Khajit's are all insane, I've come across atleast half a dozen and all but one attacked me on sight, and the one that didn't attack me said it was ok if I wanted to beat him(wth!, lol.) Dems cat people have problems.

Other than the fact that I can't actually play the game on my PC, I'm loving it.
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Old 03-28-2006, 08:50 AM   #89
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I don't know anything about Morrowind and The Elder Scrolls, but i think Oblivion is a great game.
I would like to play it but i'm afraid i won't understand anything of the game because i didn't play the other games.


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Old 03-28-2006, 08:52 AM   #90
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Khajit's are all insane, I've come across atleast half a dozen and all but one attacked me on sight, and the one that didn't attack me said it was ok if I wanted to beat him(wth!, lol.) Dems cat people have problems.
You should go in the arena. After a certain round, you'll hate them even more ^^

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Old 03-28-2006, 04:30 PM   #91
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I don't know anything about Morrowind and The Elder Scrolls, but i think Oblivion is a great game.
I would like to play it but i'm afraid i won't understand anything of the game because i didn't play the other games.
You don't need to have played the other games to understand whats going on in Oblivion. There are references to Morrowind and the events that took place there by a few of the npc's, but it wouldn't be confusing to a new player.

Oblivion's story line is completely separate from Morrowind's story.
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^^^^

That's all the convincing that I needed

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Old 03-28-2006, 05:48 PM   #93
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after reading several extremely good reviews about this game, i am seriously considering going to go get it, even if i don't play it right away. as i stated earlier, my PC is showing its age, so i'm really in need of an upgrade before i can play it.

that, of course, means monetary considerations as well, which is something that is currently a bit limited at the moment.

oh well, back to Gal Civ 2....


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Old 03-29-2006, 10:03 AM   #94
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Three words: Best game ever.

For those who got lost in Morrowind, Oblivion is much more story driven. You can't really miss the main quest this time and it's more action packed. You still have all the freedom you want and you can still chose to begin the main quest whenever you want.

The side quests for the guilds are really good too. What's fun is that it's not just go kill someone or go fetch this and that, bring it back and forget about it. There's variety and there is a story behind it. I finished the thieves missions (excellent ending which somewhat reminded me the Thief 3 gameplay), did a few fighters missions and I'm pretty advanced in the Dark Brotherhood quests (if you don't mind killing innocent npcs, the Dark Brotherhood quests are very well done - you can even convince npcs to turn on each other and do the killing for you in one "Agatha Christie" style mission - and the dialogues are hilarious. If you accomplish your missions by the letter, you also get kick ass rewards). I still have to do the mages quests but I've been expelled for murder and horse theft just after joining...

I also agree with T7: there is no need to have played any other TES game before playing Oblivion. The only thing it brings is that you are able to recognize some references that are more like Easter eggs than anything else. Per example, there are some conversations between npcs in the street that refer to what happen to the Nerevarine, you can also come across a book that tells what happened to Jiub (the prisoner on the boat when you begin Morrowind), Crassius' Curio "The Lusty Argonian Maid" play made its way to Cyrodil (the book is everywhere) . If you never played Morrowind, these things won't attract your attention and you won't be missing anything.


The game is also very stable. I did not encountered any bugs so far. The only thing is that it draws a lot of juice from my video card (x850xt) at high settings. The card runs a lot hotter than it does normally.

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Old 03-29-2006, 01:41 PM   #95
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Three words: Best game ever.
At least it ranks among them so far, IMHO. I'd take too long to list what's good with the game, and everyone have mentioned the bullet points already, so I'll mention my minor (probably unfounded) complaints instead:

You almost need an anatomy degree to create a character appearance that looks the way you want it (rather than some freak of nature). After fiddling with the sliders for an hour I had to settle for "good enough" to get the game going.

Slow level advancement. I've played for about 12 hours so far and I'm still level 1, and only about 1/6 towards a levelup.

Hard to find something decent to wear. Maybe I'm spoiled by all the clothing/armor mods for Morrowind, but nothing I've found so far would exactly win any fashion awards. Pretty ugly and useless clothing and armor is all that seems to be available.

I disagree with it being labeled "Assault" to attack an NPC who has you locked inside a small room to which they have the key, has expressed their intent to kill you and drawn their weapon, but haven't managed to land a blow on you yet since you managed to turn invisible before they got close enough. This penalizes use of stealth as a tactical advantage in a way I strongly dislike.

Other than that, I love the game so far.

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Slow level advancement. I've played for about 12 hours so far and I'm still level 1, and only about 1/6 towards a levelup.
That's weird. Didn't took me long. Are you practising your major skills? You'll gain one level per 10 major skills you level up.

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You'll get some nice equipment once you level up. The loot and the creatures you encounter follow your level.

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This penalizes use of stealth as a tactical advantage in a way I strongly dislike.
I agree. There is one point in the main quest that is almost impossible to complete past level 9 if you play a stealthy character. The ennemies are just too strong. I had to lower the difficulty setting to survive. The thieves guild and the Dark Brotherhood quests however, are made specifically for stealthy characters.

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Old 03-29-2006, 04:40 PM   #97
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So whats the interface like? The things that turned me off morrow wind was that I couldnt figure out the interface - as in there wasnt any... and the character creation was REALLY long... ok, so I kinda liked that. It seemed to be in first person, either that or I couldnt figure out how to get out of it...
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Well the UI is easy to use but it's quite big. I use this mod: http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/i...owtopic=310815

Character creation is long: there is a face gen with tons of sliders you can adjust to get the look you want (or can...it takes a bit of practice. ). The birthsign and class selection are about the same.

You can play in both 3rd and 1st person (I the mouse middle button to scroll forward and backwards - I tend to use 1st person inside buildings for exploration and 3rd when running in the wildderness or riding a horse as it gives a broader view angle.
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That's weird. Didn't took me long. Are you practising your major skills? You'll gain one level per 10 major skills you level up.
Yes, though I picked mostly Magic related skills as major (plus Blade) since I'm playing as a Breton Sorceress, and those seem to go up pretty slow. At least while in the city, not much fighting and spellcasting there. At least not that I've run into yet.

So I had to go outside and make one lap on the road circling the lake the Imperial City is located in. After another 8 hours of playing, exploring all the dungeons, caves and ruins I found along the road I finally got to level 2, with a body count of around 250 or so.

20 hours to advance from level 1 to 2 has to be the slowest leveling in any RPG I've experienced so far.

By the way, what does the "Tower Stone" do? It asked something about stars and destiny but was kind of daedric/evil-looking so I didn't dare to activate it with a level 1 character.

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You'll get some nice equipment once you level up. The loot and the creatures you encounter follow your level.
I finally managed to loot some clothing that looks somewhat decent, though it makes the character look more like someone from the 21th century Earth than a sorceress in a fantasy setting

I suppose I'll have to put armor wearing on hold until I go up a few levels and gain access to better loot then. Leather armor seems to be the only thing available thus far, and while it offers almost no protection it makes you about as sneaky and stealthy as a rampaging bull in a china shop. Even with a Chameleon spell to help out everyone seems to notice me if I'm wearing leather armor while trying to be unseen.

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I agree. There is one point in the main quest that is almost impossible to complete past level 9 if you play a stealthy character. The ennemies are just too strong. I had to lower the difficulty setting to survive. The thieves guild and the Dark Brotherhood quests however, are made specifically for stealthy characters.
Seems like my good-natured Sorceress will have to accept being a serial-assaulter then. Sneak-attacking and Invisibility is too much fun to avoid doing. Unless there is some kind of console command to allow you to correct that mistake and fix the stats screen entry?

If the Thieves Guild are somewhat benevolent like they were in Morrowind maybe they are worth checking out. Where can their quests be found? I haven't managed to find any guild halls/bases in the Imperial City yet.

As for the Dark Brotherhood, since they tried to kill me troughout Morrowind and Tribunal and seems to be an all-around evil organization I'm not too keen on doing anything with them except put them out of their misery.


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I tend to use 1st person inside buildings for exploration and 3rd when running in the wildderness or riding a horse as it gives a broader view angle.
I haven't had the opportunity to try using a horse yet, but what's the point of horses when they seem to have a very efficient rapid transit system in Cyrodiil (clicking the icons on the world map to warp there immediately)?

Is it like in Morrowind where they use some peculiar way of calculating passing time in "rapid" transit, where you could generally crawl to your destination and arrive earlier than if you'd used Stilt Striders or boats?

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So whats the interface like? The things that turned me off morrow wind was that I couldnt figure out the interface - as in there wasnt any... and the character creation was REALLY long... ok, so I kinda liked that. It seemed to be in first person, either that or I couldnt figure out how to get out of it...
It's bigger than the one in Morrowind, and, at least as far as I've been able to figure out, a bit clumsier. There's a lot of clicking to switch spells, inventory items and check the map(s) since they are all displayed in the same window. (Unlike in morrowind where you could access them all simultaneously by right-clicking.)

Character creation takes a long time and almost requires an anatomy degree (or a lot of patience for trial&error), but I suppose it'll be a lot more fun to tinker with on a replay when you aren't so curious about the rest of the game that you just want to get it over with without looking like a freak. There are like 10 screens with sliders that affects the shape and dimensions of your face.

My only real complaint about it is that the face on the character generation screen doesn't have the same facial expression as your character has in-game, so my character turned out a lot more aggressive looking in-game than I intended.

As in Morrowind the game has both first person and third person mode. Though for some unexplainable reason they saw fit to remove the crosshair in third person mode, so it's almost impossible to do any fighting (or theft-aware looting) in Third person (which happens to be the one I used exclusively in Morrowind). But I guess I'll get uses to toggling back and forth between 1st/3rd person view eventually.


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Yes, though I picked mostly Magic related skills as major (plus Blade) since I'm playing as a Breton Sorceress, and those seem to go up pretty slow.
If your walking around a city you can cast the spells you have that won't harm anyone, that way they will eventually increase. Taking all magic was never easy in morrowing either, since the Skills only increase in level as you use them its really a better Idea to only take a few magic skill as majors, or if you do want to take all magic then also take one easy to level skill like athletics, acrobatic's, sneak, light armor, alchemy.

For my first char I took:
1)Blade -Strength
2)Marksman -Agility
3)BLOCK -Endurance
4)Light Armor -Speed
5)Restoration -Willpower
6)Alchemy -Intelligence
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Block and Blade has been the most difficult to level for me since I will use my bow first and only switch to my blade when I can't run backwards fast enough from a charging monster. Alchemy is a sinch to level, just pick or buy ingredients and make as many potions as you can, don't worry to much about making negative effect potions either, those will sell for just as much. However if you take marksman you can use the negative effect potions to poison the next shot from your bow. Damage health 5 points for 15 seconds can really help to bring down a beasty fast. Skills like light armor will level only if your getting hit so if your not getting into alot of fights then it will be slow to level.

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20 hours to advance from level 1 to 2 has to be the slowest leveling in any RPG I've experienced so far.
I have about the same amount of time in the game and I'm up to level 8 now, I hate to say this but if I were you I would start over and take a couple easyer to level skills instead of mostly magic.

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If the Thieves Guild are somewhat benevolent like they were in Morrowind maybe they are worth checking out. Where can their quests be found? I haven't managed to find any guild halls/bases in the Imperial City yet.
They only approach you if your a known thief.
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You have to be a bad thief, steal something and go to jail you don't even need to steal anything to get caught for stealing just grab something with the Z key in front of an npc and they will think your trying to steal it. After a little while that you've been out of jail an npc will approach you and give you a letter from the thiefs guild. I don't even want anything to do with the thieves guild but I had to go to jail for a quest and now that quest is always going to be in my active quests list.


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I haven't had the opportunity to try using a horse yet, but what's the point of horses when they seem to have a very efficient rapid transit system in Cyrodiil (clicking the icons on the world map to warp there immediately)?

Is it like in Morrowind where they use some peculiar way of calculating passing time in "rapid" transit, where you could generally crawl to your destination and arrive earlier than if you'd used Stilt Striders or boats?
Horses are fun, but its annoying that you have to dismount to fight, if something is already attacking you while your riding you will take some damage as you dismount or your horse will.

The fast travel system will calculate how much time it takes to travel to a location and yes it would probably take less time for you char if they crawled there, but the fast travel will only allow you to travel to places that you know about, aside from the large cities you will need to visit a place before you can fast travel to it. If you rely soly on fast travel you will end up missing alot of stuff.

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There's a lot of clicking to switch spells, inventory items and check the map(s) since they are all displayed in the same window.
You can set up to 8 items in your quick select dohicky. When your in your spells or inventory screen hold down a number from 1-8 then left click on the spell or item you want to bind that number to. 8 doesn't sound like alot, but I find its enough to have my sword and bow bound to 1 & 2 and 3-8 be reserved for spells.

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As in Morrowind the game has both first person and third person mode. Though for some unexplainable reason they saw fit to remove the crosshair in third person mode
Morrowind didn't have a crosshair for 3rd person either. It would have been a nice option though as its impossible to use a bow effectively in 3rd person. But I find combat is much easyer in first so i will only go into vanity mode when I'm not fighting or about to.
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If your walking around a city you can cast the spells you have that won't harm anyone, that way they will eventually increase. Taking all magic was never easy in Morrowind either, since the Skills only increase in level as you use them its really a better
It's easier to "cheat the system" in Morrowind though since your magic skills there go up just by casting the spells, you don't really have to use them on a valid target or in a dangerous situation. In Oblivion it seems your spells must actually take effect for the skill to increase. Merely casting "Flare" over and over without a living target doesn't seem to increase the Destruction skill. (Which is probably a good thing in the end )

I've used some lock opening, chameleon and charm spells in the city so far, but those occasions result in so relatively few castings that it takes quite a while to accumulate skillpoints in those skills.

I think part of my problem with leveling up is due to being a Breton and having the magic skills as Major. Thus the Magic skills starts out fairly high, and requires more skillpoints to advance than they would if they were low. (It takes more work to increase a skill the higher it is, correct?) I'm also mixing spellcasting with sword swinging, which might slow things down further since it means not just one skill is seeing all the use in fights.

If I remember correctly my character has these as major skills: Destruction, Mysticism, Alteration, Restoration, Conjuration, Blade, Light Armor (useless so far).


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I have about the same amount of time in the game and I'm up to level 8 now, I hate to say this but if I were you I would start over and take a couple easyer to level skills instead of mostly magic.
Too much work to start over now, but I'll keep it in mind for my next playthrough, since it doesn't seem to have any real negative effects to be low level so far. The enemies seem to be scaling after your level since I haven't really run into anything I couldn't handle yet during my dungeon/ruin/cave tour around the city lake. (Though I didn't pick a fight with "Umbra" who I ran into in one of the elven ruins, and she didn't seem interested in starting a fight either.) My minor skills (particularily Athletics, Acrobatics and Sneak) are increasing at a rapid rate as well and have caught up with my major skills (35-40) by now.

The lack of any decent loot seems to be the only drawback so far, but that means the enemies don't have much dangerous items to use against me either. It's probably the most skilled level 1 character I've played as in an RPG by now.

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They only approach you if your a known thief.
I guess that rules out those quests then, since I prefer to play "good" character (hence my annoyance at my steadily growing Assault record). My sorceress has already been in prison once (at the start of the game) and has no plans for a return visit.


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Horses are fun, but its annoying that you have to dismount to fight, if something is already attacking you while your riding you will take some damage as you dismount or your horse will.
Is riding a horse noticably faster than running? I assume your Athletics skill doesn't increase while riding? If it doesn't, wouldn't it actually penalize your character development to ride rather than run?

I'll probably try it out for myself soon, all the loot I've gathered should probably give enough gold to buy a horse once I drag it back to the city and sell it.

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You can set up to 8 items in your quick select dohicky. When your in your spells or inventory screen hold down a number from 1-8 then left click on the spell or item you want to bind that number to. 8 doesn't sound like alot, but I find its enough to have my sword and bow bound to 1 & 2 and 3-8 be reserved for spells.
I try to use those. While probably sufficient for a warrior type character, unfortunately those 8 quickslots are awefully inadequate if you play primarily as a spellcaster. At least if you try to vary your spell usage a bit like I do. (And I thought the 24 quickslots in NWN were too few for my Sorceress there. ) So, unfortunately there is a lot of interface juggling to flip spells, check where you are on the map and equip/unequip weapons. :/


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Morrowind didn't have a crosshair for 3rd person either. It would have been a nice option though as its impossible to use a bow effectively in 3rd person. But I find combat is much easyer in first so i will only go into vanity mode when I'm not fighting or about to.
Hmm, maybe I'm mixing it up with VtM:Bloodlines which had a crosshair in 3rd person mode. At any rate it seems a lot harder to target spells and connect swings in Oblivion's 3rd person mode than the one in Morrowind. In Morrowind I only had to switch to 1st person mode when shooting a bow.) It's happened more than once that I have missed with spells against enemies who are at pointblank range while in 3rd person mode in Oblivion.

By the way, is it possible to re-bind the "Cast" button to the right mouse button? I don't use a shield so using it as a block button feels kind of wasted, while I cast spells all the time and have to use the keyboard for that.

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I made a more combat oriented character and after 20 hours I was at level 9. It seems that some skills level up faster than others.
You can change your stats with the command showracemenu but your minor skills will be reset. You could always try this mod: http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/i...post&p=5105948

I use the fast travel system only when I am too lazy. I like to travel by foot or by horse and discover new spots and killing those highwaymen and selling their glass armors pays a lot of $$$. Plus I am a horse person and I just love travelling by horse. Apart the jump landing which is a bit rough, riding feels realistic. The horse movements are well done . Horses have different stats and speeds. The best one is the black horse...well there's a better one but it's part of a quest
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you get it if you join the DarkBrotherhood and reach the level of silencer. It's a pretty fast black horse with red eyes. It's fun to escape a city riding this horse with all the guards pursuing you. It's also fast enough to let you avoid all the beasts if you want.
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Even if you gain infamy when doing their quests, I don't consider the thieves a truly evil faction like the dark brotherhood. Killing is badly seen. They rob from the rich to give to the poor and they protect the beggars.

To add to what t7 said, you can also join the thieves guild the nice way:
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Just give the beggars a coin and raise their disposition over 70 and ask them for the gray fox.



Edit: I believe you should be able to bind the cast button to the rmb through to the options menu>controls.

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I've played through all the thieves guild quests, started the mages guild quests, am a Knight-Errant and a Vampire hunter so far... I haven't started the other guilds yet or the main quest... It's a really good game, when they said it was open ended, they weren't kidding...

Some of the npc's in the game are pretty fun too, a couple of them probably have they intellig. of a 5 yr old... it's sooo funny...

Well, off to play Oblivion... later y'all...


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I love this game, im a high elf mage. But i havent had hard to lvl up, im lvl 14 after maybe 20-30 hour play time.
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Has any of you tried the contruction set?
It's so fr*ckin cool! Every i can make his own dungeon using this guide:
http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki....php/Main_Page

To bad i don't know how to create new weapons

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I installed the CS before the game and already made a few tweaks

Unfortunately, we can't create new weapon models at this time because there is no .nif exporter due to some legal issues between Bethesda and some 3rd parties (Havok is one of them). It seems that they discussing the issue so we can still hope. However, new skins are possible. You need tes4bsa to unpack bsa files and extract texture files: http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/i...owtopic=277237

There's a photoshop plug-in for .dds files. To make new items with new stats and effect, it's more or less like KotOR but easier. Select an existing similar item, change the entries and save it under a new name.
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Okay..that explains alot.
I just created a new weapon slot, gave it all the properties, but from that point is got stuck. I needed to load 2 things...

Isn't it possible to duplicate a nomal weapon, give it another name and properties? Just the same skin and model?

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Arena?

I've tried the arena fights and have made it to Champion, where the next step is to challenge the Grand Champion, the "Gray Prince". However, since I made his quest earlier, finding out the truth about his parents, he doesn't fight back in the arena. He just stands there saying "Please, kill me..." and there is no way to reason with him, the conversation ends directly after he says his piece.

If I kill him in that match, without him fighting back, it is treated as a Murder, despite it being in a deathmatch in an arena made for deathmatches. However if I attempt to spare him and abort the match I am unable to exit the arena, since the door says I must slay my opponent first.

Do anyone have any advice on how to solve this quest? I do not want my character to be written up for murder just to be able to continue playing.

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If I kill him in that match, without him fighting back, it is treated as a Murder, despite it being in a deathmatch in an arena made for deathmatches. However if I attempt to spare him and abort the match I am unable to exit the arena, since the door says I must slay my opponent first.
Do you mean it appears as a murder in the stats sheet or do you get a bounty as well? I don't know about the stats sheet but I didn't get any bounty for killing him. NPCs won't treat it as a murder.
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They'll recognize you as the arena champion who has defeated the Gray Prince.
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Do you mean it appears as a murder in the stats sheet or do you get a bounty as well?
I don't get any bounty, but the "Murder" counter on the stat page goes up to 1, and I get a message on screen saying something like "Your murder has been witnessed by forces unknown".

I just find it very strange if there is no other way of doing this since you can't finish the Arena quest without challenging the Grand Champion, and none of the other fights have been counted as a murder to win. I've tried talking to him both before and during the match and I was never given any options to say something to him about it. It he just monologues for a bit about his unflattering ancestry and then the conversation ends.

He appears to be dead-set on not fighting as well. I tried using a Frenzy spell on him but that didn't make any difference. It seems like he isn't in combat mode since you can talk to him, and yielding doesn't work.

He just stands there begging you to kill him without making the slightest attempt at attacking or fighting back. So you have to choose between murdering him or spending the rest of eternity inside the Arena. Highly anticlimactic way to end all those fights.


EDIT: Nevermind, I managed to figure out a console command to get him to fight back, finally. A more challenging match worthy of finishing the quest and no murder this way.

If someone else strongly disagrees with that particular design decision, you can get around it by opening the Console, clicking on the Gray Prince and typing:
SetRestrained 0
SetActorValue Aggression 100
StartCombat Player

While he keeps urging you to kill him, at least he gives you a good reason to by attacking you and giving you a good fight.


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lol I was about to suggest you to make a mod or to go to sleep and find out about the "forces of the unknown"
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Who cares if you get a murder in you stats sheet? It dont affect the game, and the thing that you have been watched by unknow force
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Okay guys, i have played forsome hours, en came to a shocking conslusion.

Enemy's level with you, but it ruins the story
A little thug attacked me yesterday, and he had the full Ebon Armotr equiped. What ge wanted? 'Give me 100 gold!'

The guy had armor woth thousands of gold! Zomg!

Also, i found some serious evil bugs.
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I also encountered the arena bug mentioned above, the hautend house quest in Anvil is bugged as well, and if you get exp/skill point for a quest, i won't go up any more.


I think some of them ruin gameplay experience...
You play the game to level, but it will only turn up the difficulty. One of my mate's finished Oblivion at level 3, to show it's fairly easy if you don't level.

Another point of critic:
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Fighting a bear is harder then fighting a criminal, because of this 'ai'

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Enemy's level with you, but it ruins the story
A little thug attacked me yesterday, and he had the full Ebon Armor equiped. What ge wanted? 'Give me 100 gold!'
Perhaps it's a good thing to level up slowly then, so you won't have to tangle with lowly street thugs dressed in armor and weapons worth a small country, or simple patrol cops that would put an elite special ops commando to shame. (Simple guard duty seems to be very prestigious work in Cyrodiil since every town guard seem to be made up entirely of hardened elite warriors.)

Leveling of opponents can be a good thing, if it's done reasonably. I.e. not every single opponent is leveled, and their equipment is based on their station and background to make it plausible. Blanket leveling of all enemies and loot just kills suspension of disbelief.


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and if you get exp/skill point for a quest, i won't go up any more.
Hmm, what do you mean by this? Is there some quest that should be avoided, that is a game stopper?


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You play the game to level, but it will only turn up the difficulty. One of my mate's finished Oblivion at level 3, to show it's fairly easy if you don't level.
Indeed. I've passed through a couple of Oblivion gates so far, and was fairly surprised that my level 3 character managed to survive without any trouble. I remember Dremora being fairly tough opponents in Morrowind, but they fell in just a couple of sword blows here.


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Fighting a bear is harder then fighting a criminal
That seems pretty logical actually. Bears are hideously strong and powerful animals after all.


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By the way, has the Armor system changed from Morrowind? The Armor rating numbers seem overall to be a lot lower than they were in that game, to the point where I didn't think it was worthwhile for my Sorceress to wear any armor at all. (But if the scale or use of the Armor rating has changed perhaps I should re-evaluate that decision...)

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There are several quest you should avoid.
I've confirmed one: The very FIRST mission of the Fighters Guild. You'll get a free mercentile training if you finish it. Mine wouldn't go up anymore...

Some forums claim every quest wich grants you a free training in a certain skill.

Edit:
Found a mod to fix our problem
It removes the elite armors from the possible armor thugs can wear.
In other words: They will level, but keep their thuggish leather armor
http://www.tessource.net/files/file.php?id=2130

Now realism is restored
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I've played Oblivion for along time since it came out. I love almost everything about it, except one thing, the main quest. I liked it's story line, except it wasn't long enough. They said it was 20-25 hours long, but I completed it in under 10 hours.


This is fun!
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True, but the thing I love about the game so far.. is that I'm level 3 (by choice).. and have spent absolutely no time whatsoever on the main quest... I've used about 15 "game days" and have progressed through half-way between both the Thieves' Guild & Dark Brotherhood quests... and I'm Champion of the Arena. Currently walking (riding) over to Crowhaven to complete the Gray Princes' story (which unfortunately by dumb-arse got spoiled reading a thread I know I shouldn't have been reading over at Morrowind Summit's Forums)

I'm leveling slowly so I can see the leveled creature spawn list (something I'm not too fond of).. yah, it gets a little boring every now and then seeing imps and goblins all the time, but when I see a "new" creature, it makes it much more "zOMG what is THAT?!" experience.. hehehe..

Of course, it's taken me this long because I broke my own rule and started modding/tweaking a few things beforehand The CS is sweet, but I miss the preview window for model renders... ahh well, at least you can view creature/npc models and animations in their object file. I made my sniping zoom a little better so that the skill rank was actually worthwhile, changed the color of the night eye effect and made my birthsign I used in Morrowind since I'm playing a "relative" of the Nerevarine My Thief/Ranger-esque PC is quite the dead-eye, lethal at distance.. uber-wimp closeup. I tend to back-peddle alot...

I'm with Darth333.. I walk everywhere (when I'm not stealing a horse).. and I've used fast travel only a few times when I needed to drop some loot over at my overpriced hovel of a "home" in the Waterfront even fully furnished I think I was the one who got robbed in that deal.. hehehe...

Saving my hard-stolen pennies for one of the nicer houses


@T7, there's now a saddlebag mod for horses so you can have your "mule" now It's been a helping hand for me and I do a lot less fast traveling to drop off loot.

I'm liking the ranked skills too.. I too had a problem beeing spotted sneaking all the time until I raised to about Apprentice/Journeyman levels.. then your boot weight and movement doesn't affect your skill.

Water exploration (I was a big swimmer in Morrowind) was horrible until someone released a really nice water fog reduction mod. Now I enjoy it as much as I did in Morrowind.. though those clams seem to spawn a crapload of pearls. Pretty much an 80-20 split There's tons of water mods out already, but the Blue Lagoon one is my favorite. Makes the water clear underwater, changes light diffusion.. and sets the visible water surface a nice matching color so that you're not jumping into murky water only to find it crystal clear underneath..


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So I finally scraped up the cash to upgrade my graphics card and purchase Oblivion.

Needless to say I'm in RPG heaven. The quality is unreal, and I'm blown away by the Radiant AI. Hopefully I wont get too sucked in seeing as how I have a mod to finish and a fic that I need to work on as well.

I havent really found anything that I dislike persay, allthough I should probably upgrade my memory <playing for hours on end the loading speeds get slower and eventually i have to exit and restart my compie.>


At this point I've already completed the first mission along the main quest thread, and I'm just wandering around checking out dungeons and such.


The only sucky thing: all the guys in my house have become addiced as well, and I have to fight with them to get in gametime XD.

I did go looking for some mods.... but unfortunately "Planet Elder Scrolls" is a paysite <You mean I have to pay for peoples unlicenced work? wha the deuce?> Its not that much, but I'm against having to pay for anything that wasnt released by the originator of the game. I did find a funny mod on the other site (Oblivionsource?), it eliminates the "Barbie Effect" of melded bras on the lady characters. Good for all the womangz loving gamers, or anyone <me> who wants more realisim..... haha.


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I did go looking for some mods.... but unfortunately "Planet Elder Scrolls" is a paysite <You mean I have to pay for peoples unlicenced work? wha the deuce?> Its not that much, but I'm against having to pay for anything that wasnt released by the originator of the game.
Hey Fuu,

Fileplanet does have free download servers.. and they're just as fast as the "pay" ones Just thought you should know. Scroll further down the list of servers and you'll spot the free ones (may still need to register though)

Also, TESSOURCE is a good site for some mods as well.. they tend to mirror alot (or more) of what Planet has


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Good to know XD. To be honest I did'nt spend all that much time looking....I was too anxious to play. <Tee-Heee> Now that I've put some time into it I think I'll check those out. Thanks!

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