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Old 11-08-2008, 11:31 AM   #1361
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Even though we know that they did not succeded at stopping the True Sith from invading the Republic
I've always wanted to see every rabid Revan/Exile fanboy/fangirl's dream crushed like a bug.

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Every Revan/Exile fanboy/fangirl's second-best dream.

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We know that HK, T3 and G0-T0 will appear in TOR.
Having immortal droid characters cheapens everything cool about them - especially HK and G0-T0. I don't think any credible fan would complain if no HK droids survived for centuries and millennia after KOTOR 2.


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Credible fans? Do you get to judge the credability of all fans?

HK-47 supposedly survived up to "Galaxies" anyway. Can't say I was thrilled with what they did with him, but he did.

Anyway, I don't think we will get another new RPG if TOR is succesful. If "The Old Republic" is succeful we'll get another MMO.

I had hoped a KOTOR III would have Revan punked out by the True Sith for a bit, while still having him/her help save the day from them.
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Old 11-08-2008, 03:16 PM   #1364
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If "The Old Republic" is succeful we'll get another MMO.
I don't mean to be harsh here but, that is probably the most dumbest thought up response I've read on the whole ToR debate. Why on earth would a company make an MMO, should that be successful, they give themselves a contradiction to their first successful MMO. There is a 99.9% chance of them making K3 instead of a 2nd MMO.




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Old 11-08-2008, 03:47 PM   #1365
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Credible fans? Do you get to judge the credability of all fans?
Of course I do. So does everyone else. Either way, my semantics don't alter the validity of my statement.


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My instinct for profitability and popularity says all efforts lay towards the TOR MMO whilst K3 has been simply abandoned. I do not believe all future possibility of a K3 is gone, however it has left the realm of any present consideration meaning it could be another two years away at best and effectively beyond its use-by date. MMO's are virtually a high school cult and this is the market gaming companies want. It's a numbers thing.

The drawback of an MMO is expense. I can put together a budget mid-range system for a few hundred bucks, or play a K2-based K3 on my existing one but this MMO would require a couple of thousand worth of higher end system/expensive laptop, reliable broadband and consistent/established living environment. Kids tend to get this easier, in greater numbers by hassling their parents than semi-skilled employees paying their own way in a world with only so much apparent wealth individually available and many more bills to worry about.

MMO is a better money maker, though its fan base is far more whimsical and transient, requiring therefore much more investment in support and continuing, fast paced development, particularly maintaining graphics/interface development. Look at other SW MO's which in terms of profitability were really pan flashes with very limited genuine lifespans, before popularity was taken over by the next fashionable MO. Sure they have their fan base but they lost the "every kid needs to have it" quality within months.

On the other hand a K3 has a large, reliable SPRPG fan base and the community itself inevitably provides a reliable support and development network. It costs far, far less to put a product like this of equal quality on the market.

So I'm guessing about a year from now LA/OE will be looking at how successful the MMO has been and whether or not to slap K3 together, which the modding community will no doubt have to repackage almost as much as K2, it'll probably even contain mod support out of the box, since silent content would be less likely. I don't think any efforts to develop a K3 has been made at this stage and by then materiel couldn't really be adapted from TOR without looking cheap.
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I've always wanted to see every rabid Revan/Exile fanboy/fangirl's dream crushed like a bug.

Every Revan/Exile fanboy/fangirl's second-best dream.
And the point of your comment is?

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Having immortal droid characters cheapens everything cool about them - especially HK and G0-T0. I don't think any credible fan would complain if no HK droids survived for centuries and millennia after KOTOR 2.
Neither I like this idea. But at least they're not bringing back organic characters (at least for what we know so far)


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Old 11-09-2008, 09:16 AM   #1368
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We know that HK, T3 and G0-T0 will appear in TOR.
How do we know this?
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I don't mean to be harsh here but, that is probably the most dumbest thought up response I've read on the whole ToR debate. Why on earth would a company make an MMO, should that be successful, they give themselves a contradiction to their first successful MMO. There is a 99.9% chance of them making K3 instead of a 2nd MMO.




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Well, my imperceptive friend. By the time they are completely done with TOR, it will be out of date. Hence since they have a formula for a successful game, it is logical that they will make another one along the same lines. Changing gears back to a Single Player RPG, which will probably have a smaller audience, would be illogical. There is a 00.01% chance that they will make a Kotor III. See? I can make opinion statements and pass them off like a mathematical fact, too. So perhaps it is you, who has the dumbest responses on the MMO debate.

Look, I don't enjoy being a jerk. So perhaps we could both cut it out?
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Old 11-09-2008, 10:24 AM   #1370
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How do we know this?
HK-47 is featured on LucasArts official website, as well as on a concept art on the background behind BW and LA reps in the video interview about ToR you can see on GameSpot. In the same video, there is also T3 visible standing next to the female Jedi (though only a part of him is visible but it's clear that's him, representing good faction with the Jedi while HK represents evil faction standing next to the Sith). Goto (or at least his model) is featured on the swtor.com main page. It may not be him, but given the fact that 2 other droids make a comeback, I think it's safe to assume we will see Goto. Besides, BW reps already stated various of times that some characters that are able to live for hundreds of years (= droid) will return.

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Goto's model is different, looks like the portrait of him (here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:G0T0-NEGD.jpg) from the New Essantial Guide for Droids


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Old 11-09-2008, 01:35 PM   #1371
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Well, my imperceptive friend. By the time they are completely done with TOR, it will be out of date. Hence since they have a formula for a successful game, it is logical that they will make another one along the same lines. Changing gears back to a Single Player RPG, which will probably have a smaller audience, would be illogical. There is a 00.01% chance that they will make a Kotor III. See? I can make opinion statements and pass them off like a mathematical fact, too. So perhaps it is you, who has the dumbest responses on the MMO debate.

Look, I don't enjoy being a jerk. So perhaps we could both cut it out?

LOL, there must be some part of my post you don't understand. Why would they make a successful MMO, and then make another one after it's completion? Does any part of that statement not sound dumb?! I'd also like to know as to where you got the idea that the MMO will be "out of date" once it's "completely done". You seem to be on a roll with the responses as of late.

Ohhh and another thing, don't make out that I'm being all defensive regarding K3, I personally don't think they will make it either, the MMO will most likely be the last KotOR game ever made, my point is there is a far likelier chance that they will make K3 than a 2nd MMO, if not, well, that's just plain and simple, bad business.

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Old 11-09-2008, 02:55 PM   #1372
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And the point of your comment is?
To say what I said. I'm sorry if I was being vague.


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Old 11-09-2008, 07:10 PM   #1373
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To say what I said. I'm sorry if I was being vague.
I'm always curious about other people's point of view so let me ask you why did you not wanted to see Revan & co stopping/delaying the Sith invasion (in K3)?


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Old 11-09-2008, 07:57 PM   #1374
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Mostly because it would help cement the common view of Revan, the Exile, and their companions (obviously except for Goto and Kreia because they suck) being invincible and infinitely awesome.

Other reasons include because if it ever did happen, chances are Revan and the Exile's parties would take few or no casualties, and that would be lame. In other words, if they ever did detail Revan's expedition into the Unknown Regions, they probably wouldn't do it right.


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Old 11-09-2008, 09:34 PM   #1375
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Mostly because it would help cement the common view of Revan, the Exile, and their companions (obviously except for Goto and Kreia because they suck) being invincible and infinitely awesome.

Other reasons include because if it ever did happen, chances are Revan and the Exile's parties would take few or no casualties, and that would be lame. In other words, if they ever did detail Revan's expedition into the Unknown Regions, they probably wouldn't do it right.
Kreia... suck?! Blasphemy! (or it was a sarcasm?)

But I see your point and agree that it would be hard to execute K3 properly. Though given what Obsidian did with K2, I have (had) faith they would manage to do it right.


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Kreia... suck?! Blasphemy! (or it was a sarcasm?)
Yes, it was sarcasm. That's why I put the word "obviously" in there with italics.


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LOL, there must be some part of my post you don't understand. Why would they make a successful MMO, and then make another one after it's completion? Does any part of that statement not sound dumb?! I'd also like to know as to where you got the idea that the MMO will be "out of date" once it's "completely done". You seem to be on a roll with the responses as of late.
Well, then I guess not.

I suppose I did not understand because it's not like it makes much sense.
Do you...not understand that the technology of gaming evolves over time? Is Neverwinter Nights Online not out of date?
You think it's dumb to say that a company would make a successful game and then make another one like it? Perhaps you should stop and contemplate that for a moment, then perhaps you will gain greater insight on the subject of saying stupid things.
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Old 11-10-2008, 12:05 AM   #1378
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Well, then I guess not.

I suppose I did not understand because it's not like it makes much sense.
Do you...not understand that the technology of gaming evolves over time? Is Neverwinter Nights Online not out of date?
You think it's dumb to say that a company would make a successful game and then make another one like it? Perhaps you should stop and contemplate that for a moment, then perhaps you will gain greater insight on the subject of saying stupid things.
Is Neverwinter Nights Online NOT a game worth playing? The answer my friend, is that it IS. Do you think its dumb that a company that can make patches for a game wouldn't do so? What you are looking at is the graphics, NOT the other MORE important factors that makes a game, in fact a game worth playing. Making an MMO costs so much to make and if its completed, it would be idiotic to say, "Hey that was fun making this MMORPG, why don't we make another one and just forget any other possible big projects we could give our best programmers?" Sounds pretty idiotic to me...


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Old 11-10-2008, 05:56 AM   #1379
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Is Neverwinter Nights Online NOT a game worth playing? The answer my friend, is that it IS. Do you think its dumb that a company that can make patches for a game wouldn't do so? What you are looking at is the graphics, NOT the other MORE important factors that makes a game, in fact a game worth playing. Making an MMO costs so much to make and if its completed, it would be idiotic to say, "Hey that was fun making this MMORPG, why don't we make another one and just forget any other possible big projects we could give our best programmers?" Sounds pretty idiotic to me...
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:02 AM   #1380
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I personally can't wait for TOR to come out. This will be the first game I would be excited about in a long time. (Pre - Order FTW, well hopefully) Lets hope its not going to be a letdown like galaxies....
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:49 PM   #1381
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The hilts look a little oversized imo, especially in the in-game shots...
They look ok for me, but remember, they are still developing the game things can change.
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Old 11-24-2008, 05:53 PM   #1383
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exactly, this is still too early to make a definitive judgement. However, depending on its release date they should fix the graphics...reminds me of reboot.


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Old 12-15-2008, 03:19 AM   #1384
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There is more info regarding the KotOR MMORG in the latest Game Informer mag if anybody needs a few teasers to keep themselves going.
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That isn't GO-TO; that's a later version of the G0-T0 series droids.

As to HK-47, there are some trailer shots of HK-50 droids, so its possible you can purchase an HK-50 or similar model and change his paint job. Or I'm wrong and HK is in. Or both are true.




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Old 03-29-2010, 09:28 PM   #1386
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Hopefully we get to see the HK facility and possibly encounter HK-47 to offer assistance or something since it was cut from K2.


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Old 04-26-2010, 08:04 AM   #1387
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i wish they would make kotor 3. i think it will be made in the future though. its just like terminator. the first movie cam out in 1984 the second in 1991. i bet some new industry or what ever will want to make a name for them self and make kotor 3. kinda like how 343 industries are replacing bungie for the halo series. i think it will get picked up and revived. weather its by another company or obsiden entertainment.

It also would be possibly better if they made a kotor like game ware you fight in the madalorien wars as the general from kotor 2. you could lead your men by going to other planets and conquering them. it could make a good rpg. also there's a big hole there that leaves a lot of things out. or you could be reven in the game. that would be cool seeing hk 47 built and him calling malak a meat bag for the first time! either way i think it should be built. ol Lucas is famous for releasing the the story backwards. EX. star wars 4,5,6, came out then 1,2,3....
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Old 04-26-2010, 06:45 PM   #1388
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@Raven 16: About the Mandalorian Wars part....there's a KOTOR comics series that focuses on that.


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It's possible *the* orignal HK-47 could be encountered as a pivotal character if entirely non recruitable, otherwise everyone would have him b/c Revan made him. To my recollection that very one lived on until the prequel trilogy at least. It's on the wookiee-pedia page. Everyone else would get like some carbon copy or offshoot like HK-24 or HK-57 or something like that from Systech corporation. Actually I believe HK-50 & 51 would make sense as they are all around the galaxy by TSL's end.


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Old 05-18-2010, 11:52 AM   #1390
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yea they shoulda made a kotor 3 not a mmo personally im not gunna pay 15 bucks a month just to found out what will happen to revan when it isnt even the main purpose of the game there is no point in it i dont care at the moment about the true sith attack i have already read that part lol


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Old 05-18-2010, 04:39 PM   #1391
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If I'd like anyone to do something with Kotor, it would be to develop cinematics that show each of the character's lives before the games, culminating perhaps in the Battle of Malachor V. Also concerning that era or earlier, perhaps they could use TOTJ as stories for the Star Wars Live Action Series?
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yea they shoulda made a kotor 3 not a mmo personally im not gunna pay 15 bucks a month just to found out what will happen to revan when it isnt even the main purpose of the game there is no point in it i dont care at the moment about the true sith attack i have already read that part lol
Objective...story of the game isn't even revealed yet.
I thought the same about WoW, but when I could play it for free to beta test it my opinion turned around. It closed and contined SO many Warcraft 3 events I got hooked.
Same could be true for this game. Kotor 2 even introduced flashback gameplay in the Korriban cave.
Taris could have a flashback quest like that, Korriban could, etc etc.

PS: The game description clearly reads Revan and Bastilla had a child. The current Grandmaster descends from this child. This only proves Revan's fate will be explained!

EDIT: @ GTA: Thank you, exactly my point. Every thing shown about this game has its roots in Kotor and TSL. Including those HK's!

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Old 05-30-2010, 07:26 PM   #1393
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Kotor becoming an mmo could never really have a place in my heart.
honestly in my opinion, i think they have butchered the hole kotor franchise.
The mmo may be a good financial investment for them, but i dont feel as if its going to live up to the real kotor series and have that same feeling and effect that the rpg versions did.
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:33 AM   #1394
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I find this a bit hard to believe, considering they just said in tOR that "okay, every main character from K1 and K2 died! fast forward a few hundred years!" the a-holes should know that it isn't kotor w/out Revan or the Exile.

On the other hand, they could make K3 an alternate universe game ("what would've happened if LA wasn't such a money-hungry MMO maker?") like The Force Unleashed.
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:37 PM   #1395
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i agree it's just not kotor without the exile or revan.


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i agree it's just not kotor without the exile or revan.
The Kotor comics weren't about Revan. And Revan only played a small role in the TSL game. They're only a small part of 'Kotor' for that matter

KOTOR is a metaseries that started with the Tales of the Jedi comics. It's all about origin of the Jedi, Sith, in turbulent times 4000+ years before the films.
It's quite cool, with the Sunrider, Quel-Droma's and stuff.

I think TOR is doing just that. Keeping intact that 'feel' that it's different from the movies. Revan or the Exile not their? The Jedi are there, so the Exile's padawans did their work. It took 300 years for the Sith to invade, so Revan must have kicked their butts out there.


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I still don't understand why everyone wants to play as Revan again fighting the "true sith". That was just a MacGuffin to get rid of the character. It's just the player character, any appeal it has is self created. With the Exile the ending could have him/her either going to the Unknown Regions, remaining as the master of Malachor V or going on a self imposed Exile. Continuity aside, this way it guarantees the character is essentially now a figure of legend and no longer of any consequence.

Not to mention another game featuring said True Sith would remove the mystery of them.


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i still dont undertsand why it became and MMO .... :S
but annnyyywwwwhhhooooo...


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i still dont undertsand why it became and MMO .... :S
but annnyyywwwwhhhooooo...
Money's a big factor. Activision can probably build their headquarters on top of a literal mountain of gold now. Just from WoW and Starcraft 2 profits.


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Money's a big factor. Activision can probably build their headquarters on top of a literal mountain of gold now. Just from WoW and Starcraft 2 profits.
I think they can buy their own country, seeing as Cataclysm is about to go live and the new Diablo is on it's way....I think they'll buy Lapland and call it Northrend or something. Or laser 'Blizzard' into the moon....

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