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Old 10-11-2005, 06:24 AM   #41
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I so agree. They're called SUPER battle droids. I think Maddox has made a point on why Epsiode 3 shouldn't really be described as a PG anyway. But yeah, the CIS at least have that robotic meaness in the games.


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Yeah, even if battledroids could never be described as "terrifiying" they shouldn't have to sound like cartoon characters on helium.


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well im also mad that they didn't put tameara morrisons clone trooper voice they sound stupid
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Old 10-11-2005, 10:43 PM   #44
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I think not having everything to be exactly to detail with the movies is okay if it's not possible or extremely hard to do. It's okay though if there are some differences, to me. The creation of new classes to 'fill in the gaps' is required but this should be done in a manner where it'd make sense... Randomly creating weapons and the like which were not actually possible doesn't seem like a good idea...

So I am sort of satisfied with the current classes and all, however, I think more work needs to be done as far as making things a bit accurate as to what they are 'historically' to the Star Wars universe, not making them based off of the movies.
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I like what the "super" battle droids are supposed to be designated: The B2. It atleast sounds better than super battle droids.

When I watched ROTS I burst out laughing because of the droids voices. It was kinda funny in the movies but its stupid in a video game.


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I think not having everything to be exactly to detail with the movies is okay if it's not possible or extremely hard to do. It's okay though if there are some differences, to me. The creation of new classes to 'fill in the gaps' is required but this should be done in a manner where it'd make sense... Randomly creating weapons and the like which were not actually possible doesn't seem like a good idea...

So I am sort of satisfied with the current classes and all, however, I think more work needs to be done as far as making things a bit accurate as to what they are 'historically' to the Star Wars universe, not making them based off of the movies.
Are you talking about the lightning gun? That is just rediculus. Just because its sci-fi doesn't mean that crap makes sense.
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Are you talking about the lightning gun? That is just rediculus. Just because its sci-fi doesn't mean that crap makes sense.

Here is one of many companies which are making laser based plasma weapons:
http://www.ionatron.com/default.aspx?id=7


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Theres also some other things being made like a gauss rifle which really does fire projectiles by using magnets. Sort of like some of the new generation rollercoasters coming out.

I think theres even an Ion Cannon which was made to shoot down nuclear warheads, but I've only seen it once. So it might be fake.

As for the lightning gun, I do think that is kind of ridiculous. I don't really know how, ah, useful a gun with short-ranged capabilities would be in a firefight as those presented in the Star Wars universe. The only possible application is for a heavy unit, which is armored, to force the enemy to engage in relative close combat so that the ranged forces, on the same side as those having to be sent in for close-combat, would be able to advance while the enemy concentrates on those up close.

Though I agree, an lightning gun in Star Wars is kind of ridiculous. It's powered by the Dark Side!

Maybe if the jetpack commandos had flamethrowers. That would be a little more practical.
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Old 10-12-2005, 07:38 AM   #49
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Wait a mo, imagine you're in a jetpack at least 200 metres up, or some other cool height. Now, flamethrowers have a notoriously short range, of say, 10 metres at best without using liquid fuel (which is affected by gravity). Now, try burning something at distance.

So why would flamethowers AND a Jetpack be cool? It's a melee weapon to a long range class!

Anyway, I've said it a lot of times, but I don't like "Realism" in games. Real life sucks. That's why we play games. If Star Wars was realistic, then Bush'd be the emperor and the CIS would all have Muslim accents and the Maganguards would be wearing turbans. (I know Hindus wear Turbans, not Muslims, but heck, how many "haters" can tell the difference?)

On a serious note, realism generally sucks because you can go overboard and have weapons shot out of hands, injuries that cripple, the effects of stamina and hormones as well as pain, fear...At the end of the day, I don't want to be controlling a clone trooper who randomly spasses out because I haven't "watered" him recently and spontaneously gets angry seeing teamates killed, gets shot in the foot and so collapses in agony for the rest of the game.

If I wanted to play as someone who was as fragile as I was, I'd go play "real war".

Take Doom3. Haven't played it, but despite "realistic lighting" why does eveyone I know complain that it's only because there is near no light at all? Seems their realism hampered their game design.
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It's like the weapons, they're not 'realistic' even to Star Wars, but I'm convinced that in their context, they have a place. Even units and classes are designed so that you can think 'well if I had a tie fighter, I want to be able to bomb the shiznit out of rebels as well'.


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Wait a mo, imagine you're in a jetpack at least 200 metres up, or some other cool height. Now, flamethrowers have a notoriously short range, of say, 10 metres at best without using liquid fuel (which is affected by gravity). Now, try burning something at distance.

So why would flamethowers AND a Jetpack be cool? It's a melee weapon to a long range class!
Thats the point. It would force close-combat fighting to a class which already has an advantage--the jetpack.

Giving them a weapon with greater range would ruin the whole purpose of a jetpack if you could just stand from someplace far away and shoot. The whole purpose of the jet pack is to offer more mobility, but whats the use if the mobility isn't required due to the weapons being offered to that class?

Besides, haven't you seen the movie 'The Running Man' :P?
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Old 10-12-2005, 11:58 AM   #51
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Yeah, I'm beginning to see your point as a direct counter to the Jetpack's effectiveness anyway. Maybe if they replaced the Jetpack trooper with the Blaze Trooper. That'd be a lot better actually. Because it'd have the heavy armour but slow walking speed, so you'd need to fly mainly to get around, but have a flame thrower.

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I just think that an directed-energy weapon is a little impractical. It's possible, yes, but it just seems impractical to already existing weaponary.

But then again, this is just nitpicking.
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Old 10-12-2005, 03:07 PM   #53
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About how these weapons are realistic. They are real but most of them are not totally perfected or they are so expensive that most companies don't use them. That or else they are hidden and i've never seen em


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Old 10-12-2005, 03:49 PM   #54
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WTMFFF???!

Do you live in the same universe as we do? None of those Star Wars weapons are real.

Give me an M60 over a Stormtrooper POS any day.


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About how these weapons are realistic. They are real but most of them are not totally perfected or they are so expensive that most companies don't use them. That or else they are hidden and i've never seen em
Right. Thats sort of what I'm trying to get at. The technology is there but already existing technology is better than what is being proposed. So using something which is new, but not as efficient, is just another form of downgrading one's self.

But as far as I'm concerned, about the topic of the electric gun, it's very much possible and perhaps in the Star Wars Universe it's better than a flamethrower. But theres just some other issues with it (IE: Not as visible as a flamethrower, could be mistaken for force lightning, haven't ever seen a lightning gun in any of the films or games.)

The closest I've seen as far as 'lightning guns' in Star Wars was that one time where R2-D2 shot a bolt out of it's little, uh, stickthingy..


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WTMFFF???!

Do you live in the same universe as we do? None of those Star Wars weapons are real.

Give me an M60 over a Stormtrooper POS any day.
Someone should make a vietnam war era weapon mod...



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Someone should make a vietnam war era weapon mod...
As long as the LAW and M60 aren't available for the same class.
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Here is one of many companies which are making laser based plasma weapons:
http://www.ionatron.com/default.aspx?id=7


'Lightning guns' are real and do exist. They are not science fiction.
Eh they are still stupid.

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Theres also some other things being made like a gauss rifle which really does fire projectiles by using magnets. Sort of like some of the new generation rollercoasters coming out.

I think theres even an Ion Cannon which was made to shoot down nuclear warheads, but I've only seen it once. So it might be fake.

As for the lightning gun, I do think that is kind of ridiculous. I don't really know how, ah, useful a gun with short-ranged capabilities would be in a firefight as those presented in the Star Wars universe. The only possible application is for a heavy unit, which is armored, to force the enemy to engage in relative close combat so that the ranged forces, on the same side as those having to be sent in for close-combat, would be able to advance while the enemy concentrates on those up close.

Though I agree, an lightning gun in Star Wars is kind of ridiculous. It's powered by the Dark Side!

Maybe if the jetpack commandos had flamethrowers. That would be a little more practical.
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Guess rifles as well as railguns are very interesting. I'm not sure but I have seen a weapon which would track a nuke or other long range weapons and use a photon laser to cause it to explode which might be what you are talking about.

I was not talking about the Jet troopers emp gun. That I can deal with. I mean the pilots "lightning gun.
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Current 'Lightening guns' exist, but are not hand held or moblie. Until then, you will not hear much about them. The Jet Trooper's emp gun is also possible to be made with current day techonology:

1) You need some type of rocket lanucher.
2) It fires missles that have a EMP generator in its head (instead of explosives).
3) Using some type of radar/GPS/IR/Heat sensors, right before it impacts its target, the EMP generator goes on, thus causing an EMP to be created. Any non-shielded electronics will be fired.

The reason such a weapon does not exist: It would be much cheaper to just shield all electronics from EMP, then it would to design such a weapon, only to have the enemy shield all its electronics when word gets out the weapon is being developed.

Current laser weapons are laser mounted on planes to burn missiles' guidence systems so they crash without reaching their target, or heating up the missile's fuel till it explodes before reaching its target. There are ground based laser weapons to blind other enemies, but such weapons are banned by the Genova Convention.



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Either way though, the lightning gun doesn't seem like a practical weapon, but rather just a 'wow its cool'.

I suppose thats a good enough reason to have it...I don't know. It just seems kind of silly to be running around, jetpacking all over the place..only to shoot tendrils of electricity at people.
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Yea, I'm not saying that the weapons in SWBF2 are good/bad/make sense for the game, I'm just saying that some of them do exist (to a degree) and that others are possible (but not probable) to make.



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Sort of like the hand-held chainguns in so many other FPS games?

I think what people are trying to say here is that some of these weapons don't "feel like they belong in Star Wars" for whatever reasons... whether you agree or not, in any case.


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Yeah, that makes sense. Theres always room for change though.

As far as Star Wars goes though, I really don't know if at any point in the series there really is a gun like that. The only electro-weapon I remember is R2D2s little stun rod thing, as I said earlier.

The electrogun wouldn't really bother me if it just were a little bit visable. In a fire fight, with everything being so fast, it's just hard to see it.
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Yeah, I can agree on that. But then again, don't use pilot much in SWBF1 except for piloting!


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As far as Star Wars goes though, I really don't know if at any point in the series there really is a gun like that. The only electro-weapon I remember is R2D2s little stun rod thing, as I said earlier.
That was actually an arc welder (in Star Wars they're not like real-life arc welders). I don't think it would be very effective running around with an arc welder shocking people.
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Some people run around with nail guns...
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Only if they are battery powered...

Speaking of which, that reminds me of that time this guy at work was firing his nail gun at people. What a nut.


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Only if they are battery powered...

Speaking of which, that reminds me of that time this guy at work was firing his nail gun at people. What a nut.
Story time!

Can you tell us what happened? The full story, if possible. I don't think talking about here though would be right. Maybe in a new thread.



As for the current realism debate, yeah. I didn't know what weapon R2D2 had but thanks for clarifying with me what it was.



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Well considering screen shots of the unit select show that they now have some sort of shot gun everything should be ok. Assuming ofcourse that the Dark trooper Lightning gun doesn't suck.
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Isn't it kind of funny. In the Star Wars Universe, technology is obviously more advanced. You would think that if we (being more primitive) could shield electronics from EMP charges; you would think that the Confederate Systems would simply put the protective devices on the droids to make the clones' EMP grenades and launchers useless.


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How would the movies end up then? Huh? Still the Viceroy is to cheap to do that, so they lost the war.


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The movies wouldn't change at all. You don't see any EMPs. And believe me. The Viceroy would do it even tho hes a pathetic cowering little weakling. Hes not THAT stupid.


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This is just more proof that Palpatine is controlling everything. He simply made Dooku promise to keep them from using that technology.

I can just picture the scene now:

Seperatist official: If we simply EMP shielded our forces, our chances of victory would be greatly increased, don't you...

Dooku (waves hands): No, there are too many of them.

Seperatist official: Excuse me?

Dooku (waves hands again): There are too many.

Seperatist official: Why is it that every time I get a good idea or suggest a sensible strategy, you start mumbling about there being too many. Huh???

Dooku (waves hands again): Far too many.

Seperatist official: What, just because you were some kinda Jedi, you think you can convince me by waving your hands around like that?

Dooku (waves hands once more): Sorry, too many.

Seperatist official: That's it, you're fired! Guar---

Dooku: I don't like the way this is going (quickly zaps the guy to death with lightning)

Dooku: Whew, that was close. *bzzzt* (comlink) please send up the next highest ranking official, I have to discuss something with him...


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SWBF 2 would still be a crappy game if they made it "realistic".
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Crosshairs also shouldn't be in the game. I didn't see any crosshairs floating in front of the troopers in the movies
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Alright, while we're at it, lets get rid of the weapon display, and the Radar, and you know what, there wasn't a ticket count over troopers heads, we can GUESS whether we're winning or losing.



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