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Old 10-02-2005, 03:30 PM   #1
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cockpit views?

well everyone is wondering if there will be a cockpit veiw like in bf1. someone from pandematic said that they will not take anything away and just add, but the beta had no cockpit(haha cockpit). So if you have any info please post it here

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Old 10-02-2005, 04:21 PM   #2
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They took it out for SWBF2.

No clue why.
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Old 10-02-2005, 04:51 PM   #3
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It was never in the PS2 version of SWBF1.

No clue about that either.



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Old 10-02-2005, 06:37 PM   #4
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It would suck if they took this out of the final game as well.

In SWBF1 they were kind of useless, since as all starfighters were basically "bombers" against infantry with so little flight area, you needed all the screen view you could get. The internal cockpits got in the way.

BUT, now that you're in full open space, a cockpit view makes sense, since you have vast distances to squint over, and you have people flying in front of you etc. It would enhance the immersion.

While I can see them wanting to save time by not having to create new HUDS for the new vehicles, it seems rather lazy of them. If anything the huds would be more helpful to most vehicles in this game than they were in the first one. :P

Keeping away the first person views for these vehicles further perpetuates the "this is a console port" atmosphere.


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Old 10-02-2005, 07:50 PM   #5
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Everyone together now: "I want a cockpit view. I want a cockpit view. I want a cockpit view..."



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Old 10-02-2005, 08:03 PM   #6
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someone should write a letter saying that they will lose a lot of bussiness without it
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Old 10-02-2005, 08:48 PM   #7
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Well, they won't. Trust me. Plus, I would believe it would be too late to add it.

I never used it, anyways.


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Old 10-02-2005, 08:53 PM   #8
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Old 10-02-2005, 08:54 PM   #9
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I used it.
*Raises hand*

I as well.
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Old 10-02-2005, 09:25 PM   #10
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Ditto here. Sometimes it's just easier when you're aiming for something in front of you.

Just as I toggle back and forth between 1st and 3rd person in infantry combat, I do the same with vehicles.

My comment was in regards to the use of Starfighters (I don't consider the Republic LAAT in that list). These fast moving vehicles tended to crash into the ground unless you were carefully paying attention to what was in front of you at all times, which made the cockpit view dangerous to use. With the space maps, this danger is no longer a problem.

Give us the option. That means some more time spent creating some HUDS, but there you go. I mean they could give us a bare bones "first person view" that's just zoomed in with a semi-transparent model, but whatever. The cockpit view definately has the "I'm there" aesthetic going for it, and that's supposedly what SWBF is all about... to immerse you in the Star Wars battles (and we all know how accurate that's been, but still... they say they want to give us that, so do this, it's a step towards that "goal").


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Old 10-03-2005, 02:15 AM   #11
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Update: I see you do have a "first person" viewpoint in the starfighters, but it lacks the cockpit HUD graphic like in SWBF1. :P

Found another bit of unrealism on the space map... contrails! Heh. (well next to the sound heard in space but there you go!)

I went as a gunner on the Y-Wing and discovered that it has the sound effects of an earth-based machinegun, plus the view goes absolutely CRAZY so you can't really hit anything unless you're flying perfectly straight.


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Old 10-03-2005, 01:22 PM   #12
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I used the cockpit view all the time for everything. I got really good at judging where the ground was and wasn't. Believe it or not, Kurgan, but when Wilhuf and I play the Hoth map together, I'm always pilot and he's always my gunner, and piloting the snowspeeder with my stick / throttle gear, we're able to take down walkers faster than you could excreet a bantha - all from first-person view.

It really is awesomely fun. I concur with your assessment that not having a first-person cockpit view screams, "I'm a cheesy console port!!!" It's sad...sad! So, sad...sad! It's a sad, sad, sit-ua-tion...


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Old 10-03-2005, 02:46 PM   #13
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but why the hell did they take it out. They have no reason to now its not as realistic you cant BE the character
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Old 10-03-2005, 02:49 PM   #14
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I figure they probably cut some corners to make the game out on time.. though they still have time. Hire somebody to do the missing cockpits...


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Old 10-13-2005, 05:50 PM   #15
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Anyone who knows me around here knows that I am an adamant supporter of the cockpit/1st person view. For me, it really immerses me into the game, so much that I almost feel as if I'm really the person on the field. When the option was taken out for Jedi Academy, I was crushed and didn't feel like a Jedi anymore but was playing as some guy/girl who was a Jedi which is a totally different feeling. Luckily, someone figured out how to mod the game and it became a whole other experience.

With this game I read that they weren't including that option for vehicles and such. I was this close to pimp-slapping this game goodbye when someone who raid a chat trascript said that Pandemic WAS in fact including the option for PC gamers only. Apparently, there are lag issues present when playing this mode on the consoles, something which PC users do not have. Plus the fact that similar games released such as Battlefield 2 on the PC are played from a 1st person perspective, vehicles and all. I also have a widescreen montior which takes full advantage of the game and I don't lose peripheral vision.

If, in the end, the views are not included, there are guys on another board who are said to be ready to make one available through mods, so it's looking good for PC users.
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Old 10-14-2005, 09:50 AM   #16
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Old 10-14-2005, 07:44 PM   #17
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so there is cockpit views
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Old 10-14-2005, 07:48 PM   #18
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Old 10-14-2005, 10:08 PM   #19
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Yes. But only for PC users. The devs apparently were able to put it into the final version .
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Old 10-14-2005, 10:34 PM   #20
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**** really? Where did you hear this!?


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Old 10-15-2005, 11:12 AM   #21
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hes from the place i think
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Old 10-15-2005, 10:05 PM   #22
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someone from gametoast had a chat transcript posted, said they had read that the views were inserted. He did go on to say that they had cut the transcript short and that the statement with the cockpit views was cut out but was sure he had read it before the moderators cut the transcript.

Believe me, if I was lead to believe this game didn't have the cockpit views, we wouldn't be having this conversation as I would not be interested in buying the game.
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Old 10-16-2005, 03:00 AM   #23
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Ah, that's good to hear. I am Jack's gleeful use of cockpit views!

Btw, Tyler, did you happen to check out OJP for Jedi Academy with its first person saber views? (MP only though, sadly)


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Old 10-16-2005, 10:18 AM   #24
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I bet cockpit views will be spiffy on space battles!


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Old 10-16-2005, 03:28 PM   #25
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i agree. It will be like rouge squadron i can't wait to be the arc 170 and doing the first seen in ep 3. I have another question. For the jedi starfighters i know that the colors are yellow and red. Is there any other colors

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Old 10-16-2005, 04:18 PM   #26
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Theres just Anakins Starfighter, Yellow.
I totally agree about the first scene in Ep3 that was so cool it's what i've been most looking forward to about the game.



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Old 10-16-2005, 04:44 PM   #27
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[QUOTE=MachineCult]Theres just Anakins Starfighter, Yellow.[QUOTE]

He said that earlier

[QUOTE=MachineCult]I totally agree about the first scene in Ep3 that was so cool it's what i've been most looking forward to about the game.[QUOTE]

I agree to.

[QUOTE=Blackrider27]i can't wait to be the arc 170 and doing the first seen in ep 3.[QUOTE]

I can't wait to use ARC-170s either....even though I used them in the demo...it gonna be fun using them longer than three minutes.


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Old 10-16-2005, 05:13 PM   #28
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I was telling him that there is just Anakins yellow Starfighter in the game.



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Old 10-16-2005, 05:30 PM   #29
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All right, promising news for those who use cockpit views!

BTW quick question for those who have used the ARC-170 in the demo. can you man all three positions in the ARC-170? or just one or two?


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Old 10-16-2005, 05:33 PM   #30
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WHAT YOU USED IN IN THE BETA HOWW please tell me how do i do it
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Old 10-16-2005, 06:32 PM   #31
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Ah, that's good to hear. I am Jack's gleeful use of cockpit views!

Btw, Tyler, did you happen to check out OJP for Jedi Academy with its first person saber views? (MP only though, sadly)

I never really got into the MP aspect of Jedi Academy. However one of the modders for that game came up with a SP first person mode which does the trick pretty well.

I would like to continue mapping for those games but Diesel's tutorials are offline.
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Old 10-16-2005, 07:01 PM   #32
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WHAT YOU USED IN IN THE BETA HOWW please tell me how do i do it
He said demo not beta, he might have been talking about the PS2 Demo.

And for Gods sake use some punctuation.



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I was talking about any demo that allows you to use the ARC-170. I just wanted to know how many positions it has, just one for the pilot or can you man the gunner and tail-gunner positions as well?


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I assume it will have all three positions, there are no other vehicles lacking in positions, one thing people can't complain about.



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Old 10-16-2005, 08:01 PM   #35
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It has 2. A pilot and a gunner.


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cool.....my friend and I are going to have fun with the ARC-170


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Old 10-26-2005, 07:04 PM   #37
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From 1up.com:

http://pc.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3144676&did=4

"PC gamers prefer first-person perspective. Pandemic gets the point and has added this POV to Battlefront II's 30-plus vehicles (a selection that includes Revenge of the Sith's V-wing and clone speeder, along with a few venerable Star Wars classics). "It gives you an enhanced sense of speed in space," Baker boasts--perfect for slipping through a screen of TIE fighters and blasting a proton torpedo into a star destroyer's docking bay. Jedi "heroes" (only a faction's highest-scoring warrior can wield the Force), however, stick to the far-and-away third-person solution. Force-choking foes cold with Vader or Ginsuing 'em as the four-saber-wielding General Grievous wouldn't work as well otherwise, we're guessing."

Well, there it is in black and white. This game's as good as reserved for me now.
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I assume it will have all three positions, there are no other vehicles lacking in positions, one thing people can't complain about.
There would probably only be 2 positions because the three positions in the ARC-170 are:
1.pilot
2.copilot/gunner
3.back/tail gunner

Usually in BF the pilot/driver and gunner are combined, as in the AT-TE and AT-AT.

edit:Sorry for the double. Should of read the posts first.


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There would probably only be 2 positions because the three positions in the ARC-170 are:
1.pilot
2.copilot/gunner
3.back/tail gunner

Usually in BF the pilot/driver and gunner are combined, as in the AT-TE and AT-AT.

edit:Sorry for the double. Should of read the posts first.
But there are three positions in the AT-TE and five in the Gunship.



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But there are three positions in the AT-TE and five in the Gunship.
In reality, the AT-TE has a pilot, co-pilot/gun coordinator, 2 front gunners, 2 rear gunners and the top gunner.
the gunship has a pilot, co-pilot, and the 2 pod gunners. this is correct in the game. But the position where you stand in the BF would hold 30 troopers.
In the AT-AT, the pilot operates guns. In the movies, someone drive and another person shoots.

What I mean is that in many of the Star Wars vehicles (ARC-170, AT-TE) the pilot/driver ONLY drives, nothing else.

I know all this with complete certainty because I own the Ep3 and Ep2 cross section books. To be more specific, they are called "Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith Incredible Cross Sections" and "Star Wars: Attack of the Clones Incredible Cross Sections", both published by Dorling Kindersly. They are definately reliable because and astrophysicist who went to Skywalker Ranch helped write them.


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