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Old 10-24-2005, 11:47 AM   #41
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Rather selective with your response...

No matter. I think the rest of my post argues at least a few points for why it (yet another appearance by K1 characters) won't happen. Until the game is actually released, or until we hear from the devs, it's anyone's ball game.
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Old 10-24-2005, 09:37 PM   #42
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Course you can play as Revan. For what happens, we already know, he went off into the Unknown Regions to look for the real Sith empire. At the beginning, he's exploring a planet, when he's attacked by Sith dudes, and being that they're the real Sith, they kick Revan's ass and throw him in jail. While your there, they drain you of all your power, and you have to get your strength back throughout the game. Maybe you escape from jail and decide to return to Republic space to get help. Naturally the Sith don't want that so they send guys after you. While you search for people to fight with you, you're constantly attacked by Sith and bounty hunters and stuff. I dunno. But I do know it can be done.


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Old 10-24-2005, 09:57 PM   #43
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How? What about alignment Clone L68362? Ok, he is LS Jedi, then he is DS Dark Lord, then he is captured and Neutral, then he is whatever in K1, then he is all of a sudden Neutral again? Or should we just take the aligment part out of the game? And how are you going to make him light or dark from K1?

And what about items, does he just lose those? You are going to be a character that has already been customized and played as. You are already going to know who he is. You are going to have a huge gap from the end of K1 that would have to be filled. How are they going to work in a good storyline? I seriously doubt that "Course you can play as Revan" and "But I do know that it can be done."
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You implied that your Revan was male. Just because your Revan was a guy, doesn't mean that everyone else's was. Should the devs just assume that Revan was male? Even if the answer is yes (and they piss off all their female players), how do you anticipate they will gracefully allow you to set a global for his appearance? If Revan was caucasian, how do you think the people that played as Asian characters will feel? If Revan had long hair, how do you think the people that played with a short haired PC will react?
In light of what RobQel-Droma said. I think that the PC Head choices that were availible in KotOR I should be used to pick out what you want Revan to look like. And of course make choices to determine if Revan went light or dark. To make it easier again, you can have Revan wear a mask again.

Just remember we were able to make choices in our dialogue in TSL if Revan was male or female, dark or light. If can be done again, and put Revan in a mask if needed to, or go another step and choose Revan's appearance based on the original game.

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Old 10-25-2005, 12:21 PM   #45
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Sure. And I'm positive that all of that will lots of fun and not even a little obnoxious for the player.

You are on to something with the mask (they did it in TSL), but it won't matter b/c Revan will be dead...
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Old 10-25-2005, 12:44 PM   #46
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Not necessarily. We really don't know anything about as of now, so really it is not like anyone knows what is going to happen to him. And besides, we are just saying what we would like, regardless of what your personal opinion on what a stupid game it would be, Achilles. I am just guessing.
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Old 10-25-2005, 01:47 PM   #47
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I think there was quite a bit of foreshadowing in TSL...enough that you can get a good feel for the tone of K3 (and it won't include a living Revan). Let's put the arguement to rest with a wager. State your terms.
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Old 10-25-2005, 02:22 PM   #48
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I will wager the cookie I won in the "Do you ever dream about KotOR" thread.

Seriously though, I would prefer that I would be able to meet the person I played in K1 before he dies. In fact, I would rather not have him die, and have him and the Exile at the end. Same for a lot of the other characters. But if the game by itself is good, I don't really care.
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Old 10-25-2005, 02:35 PM   #49
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I will wager the cookie I won in the "Do you ever dream about KotOR" thread.
ha! i'll even lend you another cookie so you can wager two!


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Seriously though, I would prefer that I would be able to meet the person I played in K1 before he dies. In fact, I would rather not have him die, and have him and the Exile at the end. Same for a lot of the other characters. But if the game by itself is good, I don't really care.
sorry, rob, i have to agree with achilles here. i don't think revan is going to survive into k3. it makes more sense for the story for him/her not to, especially given the foreshadowing in k2 (as achilles mentioned). even just his/her appearance in ludo kressh's tomb is a pretty good intimation of revan's fate, imo.

so it looks like you may be losing those cookies after all anyway =\


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Old 10-25-2005, 03:01 PM   #50
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sorry, rob, i have to agree with achilles here. i don't think revan is going to survive into k3. it makes more sense for the story for him/her not to, especially given the foreshadowing in k2 (as achilles mentioned). even just his/her appearance in ludo kressh's tomb is a pretty good intimation of revan's fate, imo.
Its a lost cause....

Then again, was it ever a cause?

I still would like to see him; that was what I originally had planned in my story idea, so that is why I want him. I think I am becoming more doubtful of him being alive, now of all the things you have said.

Still would like him, Exile, Mission, Brianna, Jolee, Carth, Bastila, Canderous, and others to make appearances in some fashion or other, though...
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Old 10-25-2005, 07:43 PM   #51
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To what you said Rob, items will be easy, they can give you some plain Jedi master robes and a lightsaber and you can customize a little. Depending on what feats you pick (you should get like 15-20 feats when you make him) you will be able to pick certain crystals. For example, if you get all three levels of the lightsaber attack feats, you can use the really powerful crystals, but if you decide to pick up other things, you only gte to use some crummy crystals. As for the alighnment, it would be easy enough to either make it so the story happened one way, then have the game let you do the usual thing where the way you act affects the alignment, or the second, you pick at the menu Revan light side, Revan dark side, Exile light, Exile dark, whatever. I'm telling you, it can be done


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Old 10-25-2005, 07:56 PM   #52
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So you pretty much make a super character with all these feats, and get certain items that you probably didn't get in K1, and lose some of the items in K1. Items would not be easy, come on. So you get a lightsaber, a Jedi Master robe, and a few items that the game chooses by itself. That would take away the part of making your own character. You would get a character that has already gotten feats and items, without having to buy them or gain experience. It would take away the first part of the game where you are trying to stay alive, and don't have that many items.

Not to mention that you lose the whole part of the game where you choose your alignment. One of the cool things about KotOR is that you can make your own choices, and decide whether you are light or dark. Choosing it at the beginning would take away that. Does it make him LS or DS mastery, or would it just pick a spot in the middle?

And the questions that you didn't answer: What would they do with the huge gap from K1 to K3? How are they going to fill you in on what happened? Where would be the storyline? "Ok, I am this super Jedi, I got all these items for free and I am going to go kill the Sith."

It just isn't going to work, it would be a big change. Instead of having to work for stuff and skills/feats, you get it at the beginnning by choosing all these different feats. Where would be the challenge? And where would be the discovery of your character, the "blank sheet" for that game? We have already played Revan, we have already discovered his secrets, we have figured out that he was a Dark Lord once.
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Old 10-25-2005, 08:45 PM   #53
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You wouldn't get the best items ever in the game. Just a slightly customized lightsaber and a Jedi Robe. You'd still find way better stuff. As for being to powerful, having too many feats at the start, too much, VP, FP, you're gonna need it to take on these Sith. We're talkin the Sith buried on Korriban, the ones Kreia said would kill you easily. Or, maybe you can start out as a entirely new class? Something way more powerful than the Guardian/Sentinel/Consular and WM/SM/Watchman...you get it.

Know how each class has certain stats? For example the Guardian is 10 in VP, but a 4 in FP, and the Consular is a 6 in VP and a 10 in FP?

Well, these new classes would be something like:
New class#1: 10 VP, 6 FP, 8 Skills, 4 Feats
#2: 8 VP, 8 FP, 4 Skills, 6 Feats

Something like this, where they're better than all the classes we've seen. But you don't start at level 20, you start off as level one of these classes. The whole idea is basically you're stronger than other Jedi, but the Sith are stronger than you. Say at level 1 you have 120 VP. 120 VP for, oh I dunno, the Jedi Savior is like 240 VP for a Guardian. So, when a Sith hits you in the beginning area, he does crap loads of damage. What I'm trying to say is the numbers make you look like you haven't lost your power, your force points, anything, but the difficulty makes it seems just as if you had 12 VP.

Now, as for alignment, I guess I worded it badly. At the main menu, you choose if you want to be Revan as a light side dude or dark side. Then, as you fight the Sith, the temptation is hard to resist, I mean, he went dark side before, he might decide it was the best choice. So you can choose to start off light side and fall to the dark side, or vice versa.

As for the huge gap, the galaxy kinda big. I'm sure Revan could spend five years roaming it. And lastly, why would we need to discover something about Revan? Yeah, he's a badass former Sith lord, that we know, but do we know anything else? Where he was born? That's what we can learn about the character.

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Old 10-26-2005, 01:43 AM   #54
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It still doesn't do with the alignment, I understood what you said. Ok, I know you pick it, but what about ingame? There would be no more choosing, because you are already light or dark. Ok, you would choose, but it wouldn't be the same. And I am sure there are lots of people who don't want to find out Revans birth certificate and medical records. There is no revelation to learn about him; What, are we going to find out that- oh no! He is the son of the Sith!

You never adressed also about the gap. What I was saying, was, he would probably be looking for whatever it is he was looking for, and would have more than five years to do it, so he would be fighting enemys, and getting items, and discovering things. No way to find out what he has been doing.

Ok, so you start out really advanced but you are level one of an advanced class. What about your party members? Are they going to be super advanced, or are they going to be regular? If they are regular, it is likely they are going to be slaughtered by the enemy, and if they are advanced you get to do the exciting thing of choosing tons of these feats and skills for them. And I guess this is going to be assuming you are always in the Unknown Regions, becuase otherwise you could go back and kill about ten Sith with one attack.
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Old 10-26-2005, 01:57 AM   #55
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Yeah, I was gonna touch on party members. They could be regular in terms of power, but up the VP to like....50 or so at first level. I mean, 12 VP on the Endar Spire was enough, but when you could reach 200+ , 12 Vp is like the health of a baby, it's not a realistic amount of endurance for an adult. So, stead of a Scoundrel type character having 12 VP at first level, they'd have more like 60. And if that's not enough, it's perfect for you to try and take responsibility for their safety.

Say the situation is there's two Sith guys, and you have a Scoundrel in the party with 75 VP. You start fighting one Sith guy while the other heads to the Scoundrel. Sith guy does 30 dmg on first hit so, you realize you need to help him. And if that's an inconvenience, which it shouldn't be, once your companions get stronger you won't have to worry about them that much, just an occasional heal, keep fighting.

And that gap? I dunno how to answer. We know he goes to the Unknown Regions to fight the real Sith Empire. It's not up to me to make the story, but I bet it would be explained why it took 5 years. If not, it's not that big a deal. Pretend it was 2 years. I dunno.

As for alignment, if you don't like starting off a certain alignment, I can't really do anything. It is a little stretch, but maybe if say you start Light side and stay Light side, you get a reward at the end of the game? And if you're Dark Side stay Dark side you unlock "Rule the Galaxy mode" where you kill whoever ya want, blow up planets, whatever your dark little hear wants.


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Old 10-26-2005, 11:18 AM   #56
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I still don't like the idea. You are some super Jedi, yet they have so you are really vulnerable at the beginning, because you will be going up against the real Sith, which will make you seem weaker. And you keep saying five years; It is morethan five years, five years plus the gap between K2 and K3. The alignment thing, I just think that that takes away from starting of grey, and then choosing whether you are good or evil - you just decide at the beginning. It would feel like an expansion pack of Revan. And then you have super party members, who must be past the prestiege class, and who just have a ton of VP. If that is all they have though, as you said, it is going to be a problem. VP just means it takes longer for a Sith to kill you; If so, they would just stay there for a while, but eventually get slaughtered since their attacks and everything are still primitive.
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Hmmm...well...I think I've explained my ideas. Oh well. Let's just end it with I think Revan can show up in one more game, you don't. Though, to tell the truth, I doubt we will play as Revan in K3, because I doubt they would spend as much time as I did trying to explain how it could work. At the very least I want Revan to play a good sized chunk of the story/make an appearance.

One last thing, the gap you keep talking about, we don't know how long after K2 K3 will take place. Heck, it might even take place between 1 and 2 to tell us what happened in those five years.


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Old 11-10-2005, 05:31 PM   #58
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One last thing, the gap you keep talking about, we don't know how long after K2 K3 will take place. Heck, it might even take place between 1 and 2 to tell us what happened in those five years.

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Old 11-10-2005, 08:01 PM   #59
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Maybe, but at the same time that would either mean the the Exile would no longer be there, and Traya would, or that five or less years would go by in a few hours.
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Old 11-10-2005, 10:22 PM   #60
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Ok Revan in the game in his Robes... but I dont think you should ever get to actually talk to him just see visions of him or something. Maybe fight with him something.

Bastilla should be in it... she was in the last game no matter what you chose so she should be in this game too. Dark or Light I dunno.

Carth should die heading a republic fleet into battle with the true sith... or you should rescue him and he shoudl rejion your party.

Canderous should also die in battle or you meet him on dxun or something. He shouldnt be in your party though.

HK and T3 Should be in your party

Kreia should stay dead... the only way she should come back is if she is a force ghost guiding the exile.

The exile has to die or be seldome mentioned. There are too many variables. What if you started out as the exile? Yah know kinda liek the Matrix the first movie was awesome and stand alone but left room for a sequal where the second two were like one giant movie cut in half. I could see your starting on the... wait no thats stupid that means same party members and thats dumb. Unless like half of them died thatd be cool. So yeah no exile or seldom mentioned.

No Handmaiden or Desciple

Baodur would be cool as an appearence

Jolee in a holovid

No Juhani, Big Z, or Mission lets assume they all died at that temple or on the beach. I know that was the funnest part of the game for me and Im sure it was for many others as well. I was very pissed when Carth ran away I wanted to force choke him to death.

Visas is very very doable. Whether she was light or dark she looked the same.

No Goto unless your dealing with the crime boss which would be a nice little after thought. Kinda like killing dooku in ep3... yah know tying up loose ends.

No Mira, Hanharr

Id like to see Atton... at the Exiles side maybe. Like you see a vision of him fighting or something. With a purple sabor as to not know if he is light or dark.

And thats like it.
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Old 11-10-2005, 11:36 PM   #61
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Bastilla should be in it....... HK and T3 Should be in your party..... Kreia should stay dead...... No Handmaiden or Desciple...... Canderous should also die in battle or you meet him on dxun or something. He shouldnt be in your party though.

Yes, Bastila should be your Jedi Master. Or a Jedi Master. HK and T3 should definitely stay, although perhaps an option to get evil droids for a DS character. Kreia should definitely stay dead. I thought actually that Disciple and/or Handmaiden should maybe should start a Jedi Enclave on Telos or something. And Canderous as a party member. I just personally feel that he is kind of like HK and T3, a bit of a lasting party member.

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Jolee in a holovid
Actually I was more thinking along the lines of force ghost. He would make a perfect one; A reluctant grouchy old geezer who decides to mentor you as a grey Jedi. He would probably be dead: Either by a DS Revan, or by old age.

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No Juhani, Big Z, or Mission lets assume they all died at that temple or on the beach.
I so want to see Mission... But I doubt she will be there, for the reason you pointed out. Not really that important enough of a character to try and make a reappearance. Well, she was important, but not AS important.

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...lets assume they all died at that temple or on the beach. I know that was the funnest part of the game for me and Im sure it was for many others as well. I was very pissed when Carth ran away I wanted to force choke him to death.
I knew you played as a DS evil character, I just knew it. It was so sad on my game... I decided to take my LS mastery character and save right before the fight, just so I could try out what is was like for DS characters on the Star Forge... It was heartbreaking *sniff* when you just have to *sniff* kill Mission, Jolee, and Juhani...

As for me - LS mastery all the way!

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Old 12-22-2005, 02:13 PM   #62
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What if they redo TSL? Obisidian didn't have enough time to do it, so they can do it again and go with the original story they had with enough time. To see the story, go to team-gizka.org.


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Old 12-22-2005, 03:32 PM   #63
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I think they should bring all the party members together and some would get eradicated along the way in the story. I am not clear, is the new character we will have going to be revan, the exile or a new player. Sorry, I have been away from the forums for some time.
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:37 PM   #64
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Welcome to the Forums, Sith_Reven!!!

RS, I am waiting for the TSL Restoration Project too, along with the M4-78 planet- I am betting that TSL is going to be even better than K1 with them. However, I don't think that K3 is going to be made based on what Team-Gizka is doing or on what Obsidian intended for it. I think they are just going to go with what the game itself is like.
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:49 PM   #65
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Maybe Obisidian will reod TSL because they didn't have enough time to make it good.


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Old 12-22-2005, 05:50 PM   #66
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Unfortunately, as I said, I seriously doubt it.
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:00 PM   #67
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It is kind of wild hope, but at least I have it. No offense if it sounds like I meant offense.


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Old 12-22-2005, 07:54 PM   #68
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Hi @ All. im new to the forums

So many people say "No way that there will be Revan". I ask: why not? Kreia said Revan is the only hope to the Galaxy(i saw that in a sig of a user)

Well, if revan is dead, then the Galaxy would be under the control of the "true"Sith. So i'm very sure that revan will be in K3. I don't konw in what Role, but he will be. The player should decide, what gender revan is, and what ending you played in k1.

Bastila: Yeah i agree with rob. She will be in

HK and T3: he lovely droids. I don't know why, but i'm pretty sure that they will play a role in K3. It doesn't matter whether an important role or not.

I like the theory that you could see Jolee as holovid or a force ghost. Can someone tell me what Juhani and Jolee did after K1? maybe we'll also see Juhani as a ghost or a vid.

I would like to know if we'll only fight sith in the unknown regions or maybe(i hope so)new enemy's?

So far

Oh and I'm sorry for spelling mistakes. I'm from germany. I'm not from a english speaking country.
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:33 PM   #69
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Old 01-19-2006, 05:07 PM   #70
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Aye and I've mentioned before that I sense our adventure in KOTOR III will take place in the Unknown regions. There is going to be a war just like the war Kreia warns us about and it will have the potential to send repercussions across the galaxy or save the Republic. The fate of the galaxy will rest in the hands of a young pilot maybe of the Republic fleet.

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I say make it like tsl- you know stuff about revan and exile, but you never realy cross them in game. I realy do not think that anyone who develops the game would like to think three days in row just to think of how to include your previous characters in game. only logical thing is tr-m4 and hk-47, as they can get a memory wipe and be whole fresh again, or just save masters secrets, but anyways YOU CANNOT(!) be revan (if u cannot spell it you shouldn't even think of it) i mean come on no matter how much u want it it's impssible. Unless Revan loses his memory (again) and exile gets cut off the force (again) and they are off to fix a hole in the force created by star forge[2] (sorry for taking some other people's ideas (they all were as sarcastic as this))
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What's your problem with spelling, this is public forum.

Well, you all don't have to agree with me, but I think that this idea about new ex-jadi, new whoever, is dull. I mean, going through all this story again, with some new dude... Again?! This whole story is about Revan, so I guess it would be ok to play as Revan in K3, and I don't think it's impossible. I mean, he/she is the only one left (except Exile) able to fight the true sith. Exile is ok too.
All together, I think it would be ok to see maybe both Revan and Exile, in, let's say Unknown regions, if possible, and finally give this story normal continuation. If you get another amnestic-like guy, the story will only go further away from what it was in the beggining. Even if you do find out eventually what happend to Revan (and possibly Exile), it's still not sooooo good as it would be if you get to "do battle at the end of all things".
And, I am not going to accept the idea that Revan is dead. If they make K3 like that, I'm not playing it.

And, I think you can be Revan or Exile. Why not? Why not simply choose if you're male/female, LS/DS .. or even start from the level 20. According to TSL, these sith are waaaay bad guys.


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Old 01-23-2006, 05:29 PM   #73
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Hopefully, we have seen the end of the Exile. What a weak idea. Obviously they will end Revan's story.

Characters that will return:
HK
T3
Revan (Obvious)
Bastila

Anything more will make the game look like an expansion pack.

Planets returning:
Dantooine
Yavin IV

I can actually see some type of sidequest on Yavin IV. Maybe an endgame moment, or it has a very important element that is important to the story.

Any other planet will be just repeating the process. Even though I am tired of Dantooine, I think it will be back in some form.

You will start off as a Padawan, and your journey will be to determine what Revan was out to obtain. I think Revan will end up being a Sith Lord, and you will have to confront him/her.

If Obsidian gets the job, there will be no dramatic reveltion. If BioWare gets the job, there will be a cool twist.

Besides that: the sky is the limit...



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I sense that the Unknown Regions is the battleground and the Outer Rim the staging ground for the ultimate battle, the one that will decide the fate of the Republic, which will fall 4,000 years later.

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Looking back on my explanation of how playing as Revan would work, I think I have a better idea. How bout around the time in the game when you should be level 20, there's an event going on that you need Revan to take part in (like some bad evil Sith guy) and he becomes a main charcter? He/she would have to be in DS/LS Revan robes. Like Mandalore, you can't take em off. Genius or what?


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I think the exile should be on the jedi council and send the new NPC (who is the padawan to him/her) to look for Revan.
Because of the exile's unique connection with the force, I actually believe he will do what he can to jumpstart the jedi order then return to exile.
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Looking back on my explanation of how playing as Revan would work, I think I have a better idea. How bout around the time in the game when you should be level 20, there's an event going on that you need Revan to take part in (like some bad evil Sith guy) and he becomes a main charcter? He/she would have to be in DS/LS Revan robes. Like Mandalore, you can't take em off. Genius or what?

Clever idea


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sorry, rob, i have to agree with achilles here. i don't think revan is going to survive into k3. it makes more sense for the story for him/her not to, especially given the foreshadowing in k2 (as achilles mentioned). even just his/her appearance in ludo kressh's tomb is a pretty good intimation of revan's fate, imo.
But also remember that Kreia said the Exile was confronting things from the past. When you first go into that place where you battle Revan, there is a shadow of the PC standing behind Revan.

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After now i've read through the entire tread i really hope there won't be a Kotor III.. Achilles and Rob stated so many things which make me think that Kotor III will somehow dissappoint me.

One of Kotor I's greatest features is the greatest issue in the sequels...
that you can choose your gender and alignment!

Kotor II got a nice open ending.. if they are gonna make Kotor III i would like to see a canonical Revan and Exile.
The other options would be a Kotor lets say 40 years after TSL.. with a new story, new setting, the republic still exists, the true sith are defeated, maybe some chronits tell you hints about Revan's and the Exile's fate.
personally rather than having revan dead i would prefer to have him lost.. he could have gone to Yavin 4 and "conservated" his essence there so someday he can return ^^^

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