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Old 10-27-2005, 10:21 AM   #1
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The option to kiss an NPC at will

Hey how 'bout adding an option to the dialogue tree to "Kiss (what's-her-name or what's-his-name.") You would click this and go to a cut scene of your PC (your name here) grabbing your love interest and planting a wet one on them. This would be kind of like ESB where Han kisses Leia (you could use a good kiss!) followed by either a positive response ( if you have high influence) or a not so positive one- (like getting cracked across the face and lose even more influence with that character.) What do you think?
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Old 10-27-2005, 10:37 AM   #2
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Interesting idea. I doubt it'll happen, but I like it.
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Old 10-27-2005, 11:00 AM   #3
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Nice. Pretty much what fresnosmokey said. You did kiss in KotOR 1, but it faded out. I would like the ability to do this.
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Old 10-27-2005, 11:16 AM   #4
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Too romantic for the chaste Jedi. Also too romantic for the power-hungry, controlling Sith.
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Old 10-27-2005, 12:19 PM   #5
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I think, if you want video game eroticism, buy the European version of Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy.

Achilles is right. Unless you don't play a Jedi in K3. Which I doubt.


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Old 10-27-2005, 01:32 PM   #6
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Nice idea, although that high/low influence thing isn't really convincing, and should be a bit more... improved.

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Achilles is right. Unless you don't play a Jedi in K3. Which I doubt.
Oh, man... I PRAY not to play as a Jedi from the start. I am sick and tired of that: "Jedi are sinless, Sith are unbeatable; bla bla bla...".

What about Republic soldiers? Or Sith soldiers, or maybe even a villager that is an excellent sharp shooter and soldier?
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Old 10-27-2005, 02:12 PM   #7
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I agree, a bit of a change from the usual Jedi guff we have been fed through the previous two games would be good. Not saying that Jedi and sith shouldnt be in the story, but a different point of view perhaps would be refreshing. Like, in the previous two games you always hear locals who are sick of the jedi and sith, would be nice to perhaps play as one of them.


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Old 10-27-2005, 02:25 PM   #8
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Why stop at kissing? I want a "cope a feel" option!

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Old 10-27-2005, 02:56 PM   #9
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Why stop at kissing? I want a "cope a feel" option!
Do you get LS points if the NPC is into it? But DS points if they slap you?


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Old 10-27-2005, 03:10 PM   #10
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Why stop at kissing? I want a "cope a feel" option!
Uhhh... Yeah, sure! Just hold on for a moment...
* Goes to the corner and... *
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Old 10-27-2005, 04:52 PM   #11
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:26 PM   #12
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HAHAHA!! good one.

I donno, if done right it could be ok. A bit more romance wouldn't hurt. If your character is not part of the Jedi Order (like the Exile), they probably wouldn't be so up tight, so it would be feasible for them to do some Un-Jedi like things....


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Old 10-27-2005, 05:28 PM   #13
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Why would you play a game as a person that hates Jedi and Sith and isn't a force-user? The game is Knights of the Old Republic, not Mad Villagers of the Old Republic. I don't mind not being a Jedi at the beginning, but we need to be one. That is what most of the games are about.
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Old 10-27-2005, 06:10 PM   #14
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If we start out as some villager on tatooine or some "uNKn0ne s0Op3r pLaN4t!1!one!" I am just going to...

I agree with Rob, the Jedi/Sith are the point of both games, if you don't like it... go play Galaxies or something


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Old 10-27-2005, 06:22 PM   #15
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Why would you play a game as a person that hates Jedi and Sith and isn't a force-user? The game is Knights of the Old Republic, not Mad Villagers of the Old Republic. I don't mind not being a Jedi at the beginning, but we need to be one. That is what most of the games are about.
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If we start out as some villager on tatooine or some "uNKn0ne s0Op3r pLaN4t!1!one!" I am just going to...

I agree with Rob, the Jedi/Sith are the point of both games, if you don't like it... go play Galaxies or something
A few remarks on your complaints:

1. I never said that you shouldn't be a Jedi or a Sith
2. I am complaining about the fact that in KOTOR 1, you were a Republic soldier, and then *puff* you're a Jedi, perfect and amazing. And what do you get? You're not a soldier anymore and you're someone respected throughtout the Galaxy
3. Just because you become a member of the Jedi Order after you had an extensive career as a soldier, doesn't mean that you still aren't a soldier

So please read my posts carefully before postin you two.
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Old 10-27-2005, 07:30 PM   #16
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Um, Vlad . I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to biscuitneilson. , I understood your point of view.

And I am ok about not being a Jedi for a while, what about having a part where you travel to the Republic academy or whatever, then progress to a "republic commando" team, and after an encounter something happens and you become a Jedi.

Perhaps I should have said that you have to get force powers because that is the way it is in KotOR; but, you don't exactly have to use them, until maybe you fight the Sith, then it would be good if you got good at fighting with a lightsaber. But you could fall back on your commando/republic training.
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Old 10-27-2005, 08:09 PM   #17
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I donno, if done right it could be ok. A bit more romance wouldn't hurt. If your character is not part of the Jedi Order (like the Exile), they probably wouldn't be so up tight, so it would be feasible for them to do some Un-Jedi like things....
I agree to an extent. I think that a tasteful, well-written romance could be built into the games, I just think that it shouldn't take place between your PC and a party member. According to the movies Jedi are forbibidden to love. This is why I struggle with the Bastila romance in K1 and Handmaiden and Visas warring over you in TSL. I think a Jedi should use his or her influence to play matchmaker with your party members, while a Sith should be able to undermine and manipulate.

How much replay value would it add if you could convince Bao-Dur to attack Mandalore in TSL? On the next playthough, you could betray Bao-Dur and have Handmaiden kill him. Or for LS, convince Atton and Handmaiden to bury the hatchet and hook up. Or Visas and Disciple on the next playthough.

No more tacky Jedi-love. It just doesn't feel right.
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Old 10-28-2005, 01:47 AM   #18
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THIS JUST IN! KOTOR 3 TO BE DEVELOPED BY ROCKSTAR!!

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Priceless! Great fun! Actually, I think that whoever becomes the developer for KOTOR 3 should consider using some of the "free roaming" seen in Vice City.

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Old 10-28-2005, 09:20 AM   #19
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Speaking of "at-will"...I think it would be cool to punish or reward your NPC's at will and to have it affect your influence with them.
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Old 10-29-2005, 05:46 PM   #20
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Yeah... put me down for "Force Grope" as well as "Force Disrobe others."
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Old 10-29-2005, 05:47 PM   #21
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You forget Jedi's can have sex... just not relationships. Sounds good to me
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Old 10-29-2005, 05:53 PM   #22
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Too romantic for the chaste Jedi. Also too romantic for the power-hungry, controlling Sith.
Well said. No direct offense toward TheExileReturn, but this is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard for a Star Wars game. I would never use this function if it was included.


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Old 10-29-2005, 06:26 PM   #23
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How much replay value would it add if you could convince Bao-Dur to attack Mandalore in TSL? On the next playthough, you could betray Bao-Dur and have Handmaiden kill him. Or for LS, convince Atton and Handmaiden to bury the hatchet and hook up. Or Visas and Disciple on the next playthough.
While I disagree with 'kiss at will' thingy, this is a good idea. And the security cameras they added in TSL would be a little more useful


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Old 10-29-2005, 06:42 PM   #24
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I think the ability to kiss your love interest is a good idea but it should be a dialogue option at certain points. For instance, after you've run the course with Bastila and she admits that she does have some feelings for you you should have had an option [Just grab her.]. They you could kiss her, she could sort of fall into it and then push you away, slap you and storm off.

It might have addad another dimension to that plot in K1. I don't think kiss at will is a good idea though.

What you're all forgetting though is how bad in-game kisses look, what about the bit in Jedi Outcast after you rescue Jan?


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Old 10-29-2005, 07:45 PM   #25
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Heh, kissing and romantic relationships would be kewl. THe friggin kiss scene with Bastila was so idiotic... we dont get to see anything, just whiny goody-two-shoes jedi walking away worried.

It would be real cool that K3 would be like K1, in the sense that you start like a regular guy, but I agree with Vladimir, the transition has to be a lot slower, and I think that it could take place towards the middle of the game.

Just my opinion.
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Old 10-29-2005, 07:54 PM   #26
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You forget Jedi's can have sex... just not relationships. Sounds good to me
When are you ever told that? If you ask me, wouldn't those two lead to each other? I would think Jedi would probably already have to be in a relationship to even think of having sex. Love and passion are forbidden by the Jedi code. There was a discussion about this in the Cantina, in fact.

I think that this idea should take the very very back seat. Don't spend hardly any time on this, the game shouldn't be sexually centered. But it would be a nice addition.
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Old 10-31-2005, 04:29 AM   #27
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i agree with the person who said about startin off as a commando and somthin happenin i reckon u should be sent to the valley of the jedi with a team to take out sith somthin goes screwey and u end up versing a weak sith who has just killed a jedi and then u pick up his saber and get thrown into the force thingy and com out with it
u then kill or capture the sith


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Old 10-31-2005, 08:55 AM   #28
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[QUOTE=BattleDog]I think the ability to kiss your love interest is a good idea but it should be a dialogue option at certain points. For instance, after you've run the course with Bastila and she admits that she does have some feelings for you you should have had an option [Just grab her.]. They you could kiss her, she could sort of fall into it and then push you away, slap you and storm off.[QUOTE]

Good idea, i don't think you should be able to kiss at will, it wouldn't be good for the game but if you built up a relationship to a point and then get a dialogue option it would be almost like a quest
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Old 10-31-2005, 10:31 AM   #29
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When are you ever told that?
Because Lucas has stated as much...
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^^^ Hmmm, thats wierd. I would think that that wouldn't be the case. Strange. Anyways, regardless of what Lucas said, it doesn't matter in the game, that isn't what it would be about. If they made a game like that I would never buy it. As I said, I really hope they put this one in the back seat.
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Actually when I wrote this, I didn't have regular Jedi's in mind. Perhaps a Gray Jedi with no formal attachment to the council (like Exile or Jolee Bindo) Who knows, at this point in Kotor III, there are so few Jedi's left- well Jedi's would have to get busy and make some new ones. Two force users would almost assuredly have offspring strong in the force.
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Or look at it this way. If Anakin and Padme didn't have Luke, what would have happened? Even if Padme and Anakin hadn't married at all, Sidious would still have drawn him to the dark side, and his mother would have died. Kind of good out of something bad.
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Speaking of "at-will"...I think it would be cool to punish or reward your NPC's at will and to have it affect your influence with them.
I hope they drop the influence crap. It's a pain in the @$$ when you have to gain DS points to gain favour if you're trying to do a LS file, and vice versa.
I though influence was a stupid idea, and I hope K3 doesn't have it.
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Well that's mainly because the Influence system was a sort of impression game: The better impressions you make on party members, the more they like you. The worse impressions you make on party members, the more they DON'T like you.

And all you get is: A bit developed soldiers.
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:08 AM   #35
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Well I don't see the possibility of flirting or kissing a romantic interest offensive. One of the best mods I've played for a game was the flirt pack for BG II, I played it through two or three more times just to play around with that.
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:35 AM   #36
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I hope they drop the influence crap. It's a pain in the @$$ when you have to gain DS points to gain favour if you're trying to do a LS file, and vice versa.
I though influence was a stupid idea, and I hope K3 doesn't have it.
I liked it. It is much more realistic. But I agree it could be implemented a bit better and not limit what you learn as much.

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I would rather be able to influence your NPCs, perhaps even ones not in your party to an extent. Instead of influencing and shifting alignment on your party, what about on certain important people throughout the game? It would make the game a lot different every time.
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Old 11-01-2005, 12:08 PM   #38
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I liked it. It is much more realistic. But I agree it could be implemented a bit better and not limit what you learn as much.
I wouldn't call it realistic, what happened was that when you turned somebody to the DS, only their alignment would change, but not their behaviour. It also lacked the situation to really turn somebody. K1 had that situation, but not the system. I really would have loved it if you can tell Carth to kill/not kill Saul, and that what he does would be somewhat based on your standing with him, and if he kills him, he would be turned to the DS and he would join you after the temple, if you chose the DS.
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You should be able to kiss NPCs at will depending on alignment, etc. I got a bemusing face when I played KOTOR 1 and Bastilla kissed the malePC. I would actually like to see it happen though. You need a bit of romance.

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I wouldn't call it realistic, what happened was that when you turned somebody to the DS, only their alignment would change, but not their behaviour. It also lacked the situation to really turn somebody. K1 had that situation, but not the system. I really would have loved it if you can tell Carth to kill/not kill Saul, and that what he does would be somewhat based on your standing with him, and if he kills him, he would be turned to the DS and he would join you after the temple, if you chose the DS.
My point was having your behavior influence other characters is reaslistic to real life. But I agree it could have been implemented better.

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