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Old 11-09-2005, 09:52 PM   #41
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^ Those appearence issues will affect Revan, as well, unless he's in his cloak and mask again, in which case he would have fallen (again).
Not necessarily. He could be wearing a lightside version of that stuff. Remember the Star Forge Robes?

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Old 11-09-2005, 10:19 PM   #42
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Or you could choose his appearence in-game, which you would probably have to do with the Exile too. But then they could use the Star Forge/Revan's robes too just for Revan.
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Old 11-10-2005, 02:27 AM   #43
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or he could be wearing the robes just to symbolize hes Revan... like hes infamous and well known people would know the robes and respect or fear him... or yeah you could choose it in game... or maybe the exile and revan could use the force to fuse and create Rexile a super being that is used to stop the Sith... there could be a new ability: Force Fusion... you could meditate and use the force to combine your essence and youd have mad powers cause of your tons of medachlorians... yeah... hey crazier things have happened. Anikan was concieved by metachlorians and turned to the dark side in less time then it takes to finish reading this sentance. Anakin betrayed a lifetime of training and hard work because of a vague promise that he had no reason to believe by someone he knew was a dark lord of the sith. Yah know the people that are known for deception and killing millions of people. A dark lord whose aprentice cut his arm off and tried to kill him and padme. He did this based on a 20 second dream sequence. Then he chokes padme rendering the entire reason he turned to the dark side pointless. Wait that was because he was under its influence right? Wrong if he was under its influence he wouldnt have fealt remorse for his actions in the end of the movie. "Anakin Senator Palpatine is Evil" "From my point of view the Jedi are evil" well lets compare... Jedi use there force powers to protect and heal... the Sith use theres to choke people to death...
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Old 11-10-2005, 10:32 AM   #44
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or he could be wearing the robes just to symbolize hes Revan... like hes infamous and well known people would know the robes and respect or fear him.
That is why we were talking about the Star Forge robes. Like Revan's robes, but light brown/tan and brown so that he wouldn't seem evil if he was LS.

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or maybe the exile and revan could use the force to fuse and create Rexile a super being that is used to stop the Sith... there could be a new ability: Force Fusion... you could meditate and use the force to combine your essence and youd have mad powers cause of your tons of medachlorians... yeah... hey crazier things have happened.
Um... NO. I doubt that would make any sense or not sound corny. They are going to fuse together!?!? Oh great, now we have "Tyrannosauros Rexile", running around wreaking havoc and fighting inside itself. Not to mention that it would be a bit strange if Exile was female and Revan was male. That is a little bit off the edge there.
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Old 11-10-2005, 01:46 PM   #45
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How's this:

ORIGINAL Sith = the primitive Sith species of Korriban with a naturally/biologically(?) strong connection to the Dark Side of the Force. now extinct.

True Sith = descendants of Sith species who somehow bred with the Dark Jedi who came to Korriban. the only remnants of the ORIGINAL Sith.

**Together the True Sith and whatever remained of the ORIGINAL Sith forged the GREAT SITH EMPIRE
-At the end of the Great Sith Empire, Marka Ragnos died and a civil war arose between Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh. This also marks the Great Hyperspace War in which the Republic fought against Sadow's and Kressh's forces and ended the Great Sith Empire. *Remnants of the Sith Empire fled into the Unknown Regions of space beyond the Outer Rim*

Freedon Nadd's Sith = fallen Jedi under the direction of Freedon Nadd and influenced by the life force of Naga Sadow. looked to start a new Sith Empire starting with Onderon. much lost Sith knowledge was recovered and brought to the surface and the Krath cult was resurrected.

Exar Kun's Sith = fallen Jedi and Krath under the direction of Exar Kun and influenced by the life force of Freedon Nadd and the ghost of Marka Ragnos. looked to conquer the Republic and defeat the Jedi.

UNKNOWN SITH = the Sith who approached the Mandalorians (per Canderous in KOTOR1), prompting the eventual Mandalorian attack on the Republic. These are probably the Sith Revan is searching for beyond the Unknown Regions. They are also PROBABLY the remnants of the Great Sith Empire that fled during the Great Hyperspace War. They are the biologically True Sith, though only descendants of the ORIGINAL Sith.

Revan's Sith = the fallen Jedi and soldiers of Revan and Malak's reborn Sith Empire dedicated to conquering the Republic.

New Sith (per Kreia) = force users dedicated to wiping out the Jedi.

So the threat sitting out there in the Unknown Regions that Revan and Exile are going to fight is the remnants of the Great Sith Empire that fled during the Great Hyperspace War and bided their time until the Republic and Jedi were weak again. They are directly related, biologically and culturally, to Marka Ragnos' Sith. Believing they were close to the strength they needed to conquer the galaxy, these Unknown Sith urged the Mandalorians to attack the Republic hoping to weaken it. The Jedi Council sensed some force working behind the Mandalorian attack and wished not to get involved so that they had the necessary strength for the true threat. But Revan and Malak decided to lead the Republic's forces against the Mandalorians and took many Jedi with them. Revan defeated the Mandalorians, but having been corrupted by the Dark Side unknowingly did exactly what the Unknown Sith wanted by attacking the Republic and weakening the Jedi (perhaps this suggests that these Unknown Sith are the true masters of the Dark Side). After Revan reformed and defeated Malak, the New Sith laid waste to the greatly weakened Jedi. Exile defeats these New Sith and then goes to fight the Unknown Sith with Revan.

The loading screen that says "True Sith are extinct" actually means "ORIGINAL Sith." When it says "Today's Sith are followers of an ideal" it means "Revan and Malak's Sith."

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Old 11-10-2005, 01:56 PM   #46
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Actually what I understood was that yes, the Sith Species intermarried with Dark Jedi, but the culture pretty much disolved and became "the Sith," who were more or less dark force-using humans after thousands of years, after the original Sith blood had dissappeared from them and some of them had been wiped out by the Republic. So, the terms Sith and Dark Jedi got used for the same thing, the term "Sith" no longer talking about a species.

So I think that there will be different factions of Sith that will arrise, each having their own purpose, but as far as the "True Sith" goes, no. I doubt we are going to be fighting a Sith species, just a group/Dark Jedi.
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Old 11-10-2005, 02:01 PM   #47
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That's pretty damn cool, I like that approach. Especially since nothing else makes sense as the REAL motivation behind the mandalorian attack. Well thought.
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Old 11-10-2005, 02:09 PM   #48
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I think somewhere you get told that the Sith manuevred the Mandalorians to attack in TSL.

If we are going to be facing Sith, as I said, we will not be facing a species. We will only perhaps be facing those who have some of the blood in them, and at that only very little. It probably would have thinned out by this time. But the rest is pretty good, there are several different groups of Sith with different motivations and goals. And I think that there will be Sith out in the Unknown Regions, just not a species or some half-breed.
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Old 11-10-2005, 02:27 PM   #49
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RobQD, I didn't mean to imply that they were exactly half-breeds. More like early Neanderthals that interbred with homo sapiens. Those people two-thousand generations later descended from such a mingling are clearly humans, but they still probably carry a few traits that were associated with Neanderthals...hence one can say they are descended from Neanderthals, though I agree that is generally not a very meaningul statement. In the case of the Sith though, it's not unreasonable to suppose that someone who has a blood connection to the ORIGINAL Sith, even hundreds of generations removed, might have a stronger connection with the Dark Side than a normal being. I agree with you that their culture is a distinct "Sith" culture that is the major unifying force between their peoples rather than any notion of a biological/blood connection, but I believe they have ties to the Sith of Marka Ragnos' time rather than some new group that decided to adopt Sith culture or adopt Sith ideals like Revan's Sith.
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Old 11-10-2005, 02:32 PM   #50
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Where does it actually say that the original Sith species had any connection to the force? They were supposedly a primitive race and the force was brought to them by the initial Dark Lords using Korriban, the Sith homeworld, as a hideout. Only then did the Sith get a glimpse of the force. If you look at the facts given to us ... 1) the original Sith species would probably not have been primitive had they felt the force before and 2) they would have not worshipped the Dark Lords as Gods had they known the force.
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Old 11-10-2005, 02:32 PM   #51
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Ok... you are the man... everyone this dude is the man. Robb Stark is the man. That is exactly 100% right and awesome in my opinion.

The new threat of the true sith, the return of them to known space, a new threat never seen thats super evil. And hybrids of the original sith is more or less exactly what I want and would be awesome and you just explained how that could happen.

If this did happen that would take a load off of my dissapointment in the last game. Id look at it this way... that game was supposed to be filler between the two games yet carry its own decently good storyline. Not that TSL wasnt good just I thought the storyline was weak. That could be because about 25% of its storyline was supporting this storyline. If Revan and Exile go to fight these Sith you just described and the next game is you fighting them its going to be amazing. Seriously absolutly amazing.

Seriously it could be everyone vs them. You could get a new sith on your team (like one of scions students or something) cause the True Sith might hate the posers. Or you could get some awesome True Sith who for some reason opposes hit bretherin. Republic Soldiers, Mandalorians, Real hardcore Jedi, Sith, all could be in your party or atleast allied with you in the game to stop this threat. Id like a super versitile team... like the fellowship or the ring... all allied against this threat.

PS: The force fusion thing was totally a joke... like 100% kidding... thanks for describing how retarded it was though like I didnt know that. Is there a rule against jokes in this furom?
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Old 11-10-2005, 02:47 PM   #52
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Harmor, they had a high mitichlorian count. Truly though, one can be Force sensitive and still have no idea how to use it. It would seem like "magic."

Anyway, I read somewhere, don't remember where, that the original Sith were a primitive, Force-sensitive species.
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Old 11-10-2005, 02:53 PM   #53
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Allright Robb, I stand corrected then
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Old 11-10-2005, 04:05 PM   #54
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We won't see the "true Sith". They're extinct. As the loading screen in KotOR says:
"The true Sith died out millenia ago. The Sith of this era of not a species, but followers of an ideal."
That is true. I keep telling my lil bro that because I tend to pay attention to detail. I wouldn't mind seeing some all new bad ass Sith Lords





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Old 11-10-2005, 04:09 PM   #55
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Harmor, they had a high mitichlorian count. Truly though, one can be Force sensitive and still have no idea how to use it. It would seem like "magic."

Anyway, I read somewhere, don't remember where, that the original Sith were a primitive, Force-sensitive species.


Actually outcast Jedi settled on the Sith homeworld,Korriban?, and over the millenia the two became one. Says so on one of the loading screen options. That could account for the force sensitivity of the Sith'ari.


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Old 11-10-2005, 07:33 PM   #56
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PS: The force fusion thing was totally a joke... like 100% kidding... thanks for describing how retarded it was though like I didnt know that. Is there a rule against jokes in this furom?
No, there is not, I would guess there is one about not saying things thinking that people can read your mind. Just a thought, Windu; It would help if you didn't do it in all seriousness and maybe included a "just kidding" at the end, or perhaps used something like this or another smilie. We are not mind-readers, come on. The reason why I explained how retarted it was was because you apparently thought it was a good idea and even went into explaining, in all seriousness, why it wouldn't be too wierd.

And Axe Windu, the impression I got from Robb's post was that he said that we are only going to be facing the descendants of the True Sith/Dark Jedi, not the actual True Sith (the species). He is talking about a race that is only about 10% or so original Sith, not enough to show. At least that is what I thought he said, am I right Robb Stark?
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Old 11-10-2005, 08:50 PM   #57
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That is fine... that would make me happy... any genetic relation to the true sith would be great. As long as there not pure human. I mean Scion heald his skin together with Evil and Nihlis was like a Dark Side Force Void. Weve already seen bad ass Sith Lords I think there needs to be a new threat that is part True Sith. I would like it to be in there appearence but something small.
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Old 11-10-2005, 10:03 PM   #58
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Ok, then I guess we agree with each other. I don't have any problem with people being partly Sith, it is just that the full-blooded Sith are extinct.
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Old 11-11-2005, 11:04 AM   #59
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And Axe Windu, the impression I got from Robb's post was that he said that we are only going to be facing the descendants of the True Sith/Dark Jedi, not the actual True Sith (the species). He is talking about a race that is only about 10% or so original Sith, not enough to show. At least that is what I thought he said, am I right Robb Stark?
Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant. I would like them to have one physical characteristic that would distinguish them from other humans if you knew that you were looking at a descendant of the Sith species+Dark Jedi interbreeding and not a 100% human...like they all have those yellow-orangish Sith eyes or they don't grow hair or something like that. It wouldn't really be that different from the difference between races of humans or humans from different planets, but it would be a trait that is unique to all descendants of the Sith species.

I also thought that they should have some characteristic that makes the average descendant of the Sith species a slightly more dangerous foe than an average human foe. I'm not talking about all-powerful Force users with mystical anti-Jedi powers, but something more like a slightly above-human affinity for the Force, particularly the Dark Side. For example, if it were a pen-n-paper rpg, the Sith-Descendant Template would give all descendants of the long-dead Sith species, from footsoldiers to trained warrior/priest/DarkJedi/Lords, 20 Force points and better offensive and defensive saves against Force Powers, particularly DS Force Powers, like a +2 bonus to saves for all Force powers and an additional +2 for Dark Side Force Powers.

Of course, more important to the story than any distant biological connection to the Sith species is that their "Sith culture" is strongly influenced by the study, use, perhaps even worship of the Dark Side, and that, above all, is why they must be stopped. Still, I strongly believe that there must be something at least a little other-worldly about the Sith in the Unknown Regions to emphasize that they are different and dangerous above and beyond them coming from out of "nowhere" and being a society of DS Force users. We've fought waves and waves of Dark Jedi and won. To keep things interesting and to give the "Ohhh ****, the Republic is ****ed" sensation the Sith in KOTOR3 need something that makes them a scarrier foe than we've seen thus far.
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