Jedi or no Jedi?

JediKnight707 · 12-02-2005, 09:48 PM

There has probably already been a thread on this, but do you want to start as a Jedi like TSL or be trained like in KotOR1?

RobQel-Droma · 12-02-2005, 09:51 PM

I want to start as a Jedi, or at least be just starting to train as one. I realize I have said many other, different things than this, but I have just not been sure. Right now I am thinking (for my version of the story) that it would be good.

EDIT: Next time, you might not want to make this a multiple answer poll, I could have picked all three. Just for fun, I said "What's a Jedi" along with "Yes, be a Jedi."

Vladimir-Vlada · 12-02-2005, 09:59 PM

I want to start as some guy that isn't a Jedi. Being 'perfect' is not exatcly my way of playing.

ilwugoalie · 12-03-2005, 10:32 AM

Either as a Jedi or be trained as one.....hopefully it wont be the same formula the previous games had

Achilles · 12-03-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ilwugoalie

hopefully it wont be the same formula the previous games had

I think the devs will want to avoid this as well. I'm still pretty sure they'll having us starting the game as a padawan. Maybe we'll even get to pick some force powers during character creation.

Dark_lord_Cheez · 12-03-2005, 11:39 AM

In my opinion it all maters on what our maximum level will be, if the developers decide to make it 20 like in the first game, then I'd personally like to start as a jedi padawan or something. The only real problem I had with the first game was that we only had a few levels to advance before we reached our highest level in game, and we could advance up to 8 levels before becoming a jedi. That left only 12 levels to advance as a jedi, and if you chose to be either a guardian or a sentinal, you could only learn a maximum of 13 force powers, which to me really killed the whole jedi experience.

However, if the max level will be 50 like in TSL (god, I hope it's not) I'd rather start as a regular person, and eventually become a jedi after let's say level 20 or something. I think this'd work well to balance the force powers you'd recieve in game, seeing as if you are lucky enough to level all the way up to 50 in TSL, you would've had to learn just about every force power there is, which really unbalances the game.

Personally, I'd like to see something where we have a maximum of say 30 levels, and we start off as either a soldier, scoundrel, or scout and are trained to be jedi at a max level of about 7 or 8.

The main thing I'm worrying about with starting as a jedi or a regular person, is that I want to be able to eventually become a powerful jedi, but not an unstoppable force like the exile could've been in TSL by starting off as a jedi with an insane amount of levels that can be gained. I also don't want my jedi character learning only a couple of force powers throughout the course of the game due to starting as a regular person with only a handful of levels that can be easilly used up in a short period of time.

Darth Windu · 12-03-2005, 10:19 PM

Easy. Start as a Jedi.

Why? It's called "Knights of the Old Republic" for a reason.

Besides, everyone knows Jedi have more fun.

RobQel-Droma · 12-03-2005, 10:22 PM

^Well, then, why didn't we start as a Jedi in the first two if the game was called Knights of the Old Republic

. (I'm not saying that I don't want to start as a Jedi, by the way)

Aurora Merlow · 12-04-2005, 08:54 AM

We've already had starting as an ordinary guy, i think this time just let us start as a jedi so we can get on with it as apposed to suddenly realising we are force sensitive

Bob Lion54 · 12-04-2005, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Achilles

I think the devs will want to avoid this as well. I'm still pretty sure they'll having us starting the game as a padawan. Maybe we'll even get to pick some force powers during character creation.

Interesting... I think I would like this as well. Nice idea.

I suppose my vote is "Start as Jedi." It all depends on how it's emplemented. I liked how in K2 you became a Jedi very early in the game. Though I liked Taris in K1, I found myself trying to get through it as fast as possible just to get to the point where I became a Jedi. The was especially true on my first playthrough.

I like the idea, now that Achilles said it, of picking a few powers during charactor creation. To take that a step further, maybe you could get two "free" powers based on your Jedi class.

jerrome1966 · 12-04-2005, 11:37 AM

I Like starting out a nobody and then making choices on what Jedi Class to be.

ilwugoalie · 12-04-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jerrome1966

I Like starting out a nobody and then making choices on what Jedi Class to be.

the problem with starting out as a nobody is it is too close to the plott of the first one. you found out later that you were Revan, but intill then, you were just some regular person... with a hidden past.

and you make the class choices no matter what... so thats nothing that would be changed

Hallucination · 12-04-2005, 03:38 PM

I want to start out as someguy, but I won't be disappointed if I'm a jedi.

**Prime** · 12-05-2005, 09:29 AM

Start as a Jedi...

**JediMaster12** · 12-05-2005, 11:41 AM

I would rather train to be a Jedi. I thought that was the best part. I liked the way how the devs increased max level on leveling up in TSL because I was able to play around with different force powers. A new one for me was confuse mind.

"Trained as a Jedi you request for him."-Yoda

OoMandaloreoO · 12-11-2005, 03:18 AM

whats a jedi?

Darth Windu · 12-11-2005, 05:18 AM

Rob - ...uh, you do start as a Jedi in TSL

Thing is, just because you start off as a Jedi doesn't mean you won't be trained. By starting the player off as a brand-new Padawan, the Jedi will train you throughout the first planet/level anyway so it's all good.

**Jae Onasi** · 12-11-2005, 09:24 AM

I'd like to train as a Jedi, just because I liked interacting with the Masters in K1. I'd just like to do it a little earlier in the game. I wouldn't mind even starting the training at level 1, but I think most people would like to have some adventuring before hitting the formal Jedi training.

Soogz · 12-11-2005, 09:30 AM

I would also like to train as a Jedi. Isn't the game called KNIGHTS of the Old Republic? Why wouldn't you play as a Jedi? Or for at least part of the game...

OoMandaloreoO · 12-11-2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Windu

Rob - ...uh, you do start as a Jedi in TSL

Thing is, just because you start off as a Jedi doesn't mean you won't be trained. By starting the player off as a brand-new Padawan, the Jedi will train you throughout the first planet/level anyway so it's all good.

ahh to become a jedi u have to be well trained soo.....

RobQel-Droma · 12-11-2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Windu

Rob - ...uh, you do start as a Jedi in TSL

There is a lot of contraversy about that. You know, actually, you start the game and you don't have any force powers or anything. You talk to Kreia, and then you become a Jedi.

Besides, that says nothing about K1.

a_nazgul · 12-11-2005, 11:16 PM

I want a lot more of levels for de characters, and want to start as a padawn, so you can bulid your character from the very beging as a true jedi( or sith if you prefer)

Darth Windu · 12-12-2005, 01:22 AM

Mandalore - sure, but if you start as a Padawan who has just entered the order, you start as a Jedi and you get trained.

Rob - I see your point, but still in TSL you're never a Soldier/Scout/Scoundrel etc. As for KotOR1, it fitted well with the storyline and whatnot, but I really can't see another "oh yeah, forgot to mention - you used to rule the galaxy" storyline in KotOR3.

Servercat · 12-12-2005, 01:34 AM

I think it would be interesting, if you started out as nobody like in K1, but your gameplay choices (The reap what you sow feel of k2) determine whether or not if you can become a Jedi/Dark Jedi.

If you play the game purely good/evil, then you are offered the chance to train..or if you play the game neutrally, then you are never given the chance. Letting you continue to play and beat the game as an average joe or potentially to become a self made Jedi, like Kyle Katarn.

**JediMaster12** · 12-12-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OoMandaloreoO

whats a jedi?

I'd tell ya to read my sig.

Darca Lar · 12-17-2005, 11:26 PM

I would want to start as a Jedi or starting to be trained as one, because so far theyve done was a jedi returning with revan and the exile, and this would be something different.

JediWatchman · 12-20-2005, 12:35 AM

I think you should start out as a Sith and have the option to become a Jedi if you want.

JediKnight707 · 12-20-2005, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JediWatchman

I think you should start out as a Sith and have the option to become a Jedi if you want.

That's...different...

Hallucination · 12-20-2005, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JediWatchman

I think you should start out as a Sith and have the option to become a Jedi if you want.

No. That means that you have an alignment already made for you, but jedi just refers to someone who uses the force.

JediKnight707 · 12-20-2005, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Hallucination

No. That means that you have an alignment already made for you, but jedi just refers to someone who uses the force.

Not neccesarily. A Jedi is someone who is lightside, or is leaning towards there. A Force User is someone who uses the Force, or a [b]Gray[/i] Jedi is a neutral Jedi.

Darth InSidious · 12-20-2005, 12:53 PM

Be trained. Somehow, starting as a Jedi took away the special-ness of being a Jedi.

Hallucination · 12-20-2005, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jedi_Knight_707

Not neccesarily. A Jedi is someone who is lightside, or is leaning towards there. A Force User is someone who uses the Force, or a [b]Gray[/i] Jedi is a neutral Jedi.

True, although 'Jedi', has been used alot to refer to a force user. Notice how in the beginning of K2 it says you're a jedi, even though you're neutral?

~AlexLeslie~ · 12-20-2005, 08:02 PM

They might pick up on like the yoda thing, were ure a jedi thats gone into hiding and has to be retrained...?

SITHSLAYER133 · 12-20-2005, 08:45 PM

jedi to start complete with robe and a saber

Hallucination · 12-20-2005, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ~AlexLeslie~

They might pick up on like the yoda thing, were ure a jedi thats gone into hiding and has to be retrained...?

I haven't seen ESB in a while, but I thought Yoda was training Luke, not the other way around

. Seriously though, they need a new idea, because the exile thing was done in K2, if I remember correctly.
P.S. Welcome to the SWK forums, its always good to see another canadian here.

RobQel-Droma · 12-20-2005, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ~AlexLeslie~

I think you should start out as a Sith and have the option to become a Jedi if you want.

No offence, but why does everybody want to start out as a Sith? I don't care if you are a DS player, my friend, but there are a lot of people who aren't- including me. I don't want to start out as some evil guy, you should start out neutral and then head whichever way you want, instead of the game starting you off "biased."

Besides, that would be taking away from one of the most important elements of the game: choosing your alignment. You would pretty much be starting out with an already set alignment if you intend to be a Sith.

PoiuyWired · 12-20-2005, 10:21 PM

Well starting out Neutral would be easier for both the storyline and the excitement.
If anything starting out as a sith would make playing DS less fun... you don't really need to do much to retain DSP ...

RobQel-Droma · 12-20-2005, 11:04 PM

Forget my original idea of starting out as a Jedi-in-training. Now, upon contemplating that and other ideas, I think that either you should be a force-user starting to discover your powers but having no training, or a regular guy with some wierd abilities. Even if this is kind of close to the other games. For the same reasons that I have said about not starting as a Sith, they apply to starting as a Jedi, too.

I have said I don't want to start out as a Sith, but I bet people don't want to start out as a Jedi, also. And, as I have also said, one of KotOR's greatest parts is to choose your own destiny. Which means that you shouldn't be on the Sith/DS side at the start, but, that also means you shouldn't be on the Jedi/LS side at the start. I still hold that you should be learning the force in some way or another, and you should start with a good background like the others, but you shouldn't be on one side or the other.

How about this. A rogue/exiled/grey Jedi is teaching you some techniques of the force, along with some basic powers. This is without the knowledge of the Council, or anyone else. In this way, you would still be neutral yet you would have certain force powers. When you meet the Jedi Council and become a Jedi, this might even cause some friction between you and some of the Vrook-types on the Council.

**JediMaster12** · 12-21-2005, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RobQel-Droma

How about this. A rogue/exiled/grey Jedi is teaching you some techniques of the force, along with some basic powers. This is without the knowledge of the Council, or anyone else. In this way, you would still be neutral yet you would have certain force powers. When you meet the Jedi Council and become a Jedi, this might even cause some friction between you and some of the Vrook-types on the Council.

That sounds a bit like the mod I believe Achilles created for KOTOR where you actually are able to use Force powers before you get to the Academy on Dantooine. I'm all for training whenn you start KOTOR 3 but this sounds interesting. Heck maybe the Jedi that is training you is one of the Lost Jedi Kriea names at the end of TSL like Mira or Atton.

RobQel-Droma · 12-21-2005, 03:22 PM

You know, I downloaded that mod too, a while ago. I'm not sure if based it on this, but I kind of liked the idea.

As for what you said, I didn't think about having a character from TSL train you- perhaps that would work, I would probably think Atton would be the one. Or somebody else depending on who the Exile was.