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Old 01-11-2006, 01:55 PM   #121
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I don't think he intends on going into detail about literary subtlety.

Jolee and Bao-Dur would be really fun. Their personalities seem to click, and it would be fun to see them act out together.

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Old 01-11-2006, 11:10 PM   #122
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He is alive mind you, Revan couldn't slay him. No sire!
Really? Thats funny- I could have sworn that one of the choices in K1 was that both Jolee and Juhani bit the dust together... Maybe I was mistaken...

And for the others, besides my earlier post about Jolee, did you ever wonder how old the guy was? Wasn't the Exar Kun war about forty years before K1, and he was a Knight or around that rank? (his memory went back a long way) Then add that to five years and whatever the gap between TSL and K3, and he's getting ancient.

Besides, I'm not saying he just went back to Kashyyyk and just died; I was thinking more of a Yoda/Ob-Wan type death, by dissappearing. I like Jolee, it isn't that I want him dead, I just want him as a Force Ghost. Personally, I think he'd make a good one.
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Old 01-12-2006, 04:28 AM   #123
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Heya guys, here my thoughts, !!SPOILERS AHEAD!!

(Sry if anyone said any of my ideas before, and keep in mind i've only played the good side, so I dunno about dark side, and i've only played male)

Joelee Bindo + Keria (Darth Treya): How about a Joelee ghost for the good side And how about a dark side rival with a Keria Ghost (vis-versa if on the dark side) This gives the possiblilty for the Keria Joelee face-of someone was talking about -.^
(Another possibility is a Master Vandaar ghost inseatd of Joelee, I can't remeber if he died in that meeting on Visas's planet, or Nhilus instead of Keria. This would prove an intresting ghost face-off)

The Driods: Driods, Driods, Driods, of course were gonna have the driods. (Probably not G0-To or Remote, to tell you the truth I could care less about them *didn't they die?*) -HK-47 Hes going to be there, period. T3 of course hes going to be there, its the R2-D2 of the group.

Wookies: As for Hanharr and Zaalbar, how about for goodies Zaalbar is made a wookie chief! Baddies same for Hanharr. Not party members but still make an apearence, and play a role. On a side-note a Female wookie party member would probably be fun a twist ; )

Exile+Revan: IF THEY DON'T COME BACK I WILL KILL EVERY LIVING THING ON THE PLANET! Some people say it would have been to hard for the KOTOR crew to find a way to make a Revan appear because they don't know what you made him/her look like. HOW BOUT THIS: At the start of the game have one of your party members do the same thing as Atton did in TSL, but make them ask "So what do you think Revan looked like?" then bring the player to a character creation screen, and he can create what model he/she had played in KOTOR I. BAM! Instant Revan! Then have this Atton-like character ask about the Exile, do the same DAMN THING! (As you can tell I was very angered at the lack of Revan in KOTOR:TSL) I dunno about party members though, that would kinda be werid Mabye like at the very end of the game have the main character and thoese 2 team up to beat the uber baddie. THAT WOULD KICK SO MUCH ASS ^.^ So LIMMITED party members! Like that fool in the first KOTOR at the start of the game.

Carth Onasi+Atton: I'm not expecting Carth as party members either, but if he dosn't make an appearence I will possibly have to destroy half the planet, or just a continent. Make Carth a big admiral no-doubt. Probably make him AGE ; ) Little more gray in the hair Someone said in a hidden trailer around somewhere there was "bad news for Atton fans" I'm going to guess that means he dies? {snip} party member.

Canderous Ordo (Mandelore): This guys pretty bad ass But I can't see him as a Party Member. And hes getting pretty old now too aint he? How bout in next one he is (of course) Leader of the Mandelorians, and one of your party members is a Mandelorians (I'd write a whole story about it but I don't feel like it :P ). Half way through the story you get caught, Mandelore leads his forces to the location of where your caught (planet, space station, ship, wtever) Epic battle insues, Canderous and crew almost escape, but Main Baddy is there guarding the exit Canderous fights the main baddy so you escape, awsome battle sence, Canderous gets defeated in a glorious comabt. New Mandelore is needed, in comes your Mandelorian party member has to do somthing to become the new Mandelore, mabye youngest Mandelore there ever was? (Blah, blah, blah, you get the idea)

Mission + Mira: They both need to atleast MAKE A FRIGGIN APPEARANCE. Common! WTF is with TSL and half my god damn party not even being mentioned?! If a baddie, then no apprence for Mission (apprently she always dies when a baddie?) but you gotta atleast give them a cut-scence! I wouldn't mind a Mira comming back as a party member Im not sure what you would talk about for Mission though if she was a member....I would atleast like to know what happened to her. Not to mention both of them are BABES (Mission WAS to young :P, not anymore!)

Bastila Shan + Visas Marr: They WONT, and I would perfer them to not be party members, but they WILL NEED to make an apperance. Im not sure on how these 2 will make and apperance, but they will ^.^ or something will die by my hands.

Handmaiden(Brianna)/Disciple(Mical): I dunno much on Disciples story (Im not a chick) but if hes anything like Handmaiden then I think both should appear. (depending on your gender) I was surpised that Visas and not Handmaiden turned out to be Exiles love. So she still needs a man She wasn't that old either, and im sure the KOTOR crew could give more of a storyline to her, and mabye use her real name? ^.^

Bao-Dur: This guy could definatley use some more storyline, I would atleast like him to be a interative computer-player. Party member is a possibility too. He could upgrade the Ebon Hawk for you ; )

Juhani: Eh, and that pretty much sums up my feelings thoward her ; ) I couldn't care more or less if she appeared, but I guess some insight on what happened to her could prove to be a mind easer. Not a party member, mabye just hanging around the Jedi Conclave?

So 6 of the oldies as party members ^.^ HK, T3, Atton (If Not Dead), Mira, Handmaiden/?Dicisple?, and Bao-dur. Of course they won't make 6 party members from pervious games, I CAN DREAM THOUGH. ABSOLUTE MEMBERS: HK, T3, Handmaiden, Atton (IF NOT DEAD)

On my last few words I would like to state 1 character that I think should appear as a young boy, whom was actually mentioned in Episode 3, Darth Plagues ; ) PROBABLY NOT THOUGH > . < Im not sure if the age thing would work out ^.^

ALL THIS IS AN !IF! THEY MAKE KOTOR 3. They probably will though...right? RIGHT!?!?!??!

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Old 01-12-2006, 05:57 AM   #124
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Really? Thats funny- I could have sworn that one of the choices in K1 was that both Jolee and Juhani bit the dust together... Maybe I was mistaken...
No, he lives, he must, he is... precious...
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Old 01-12-2006, 09:00 AM   #125
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No, he lives, he must, he is... precious...
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Now that's the statement of a real Jolee Bindo fan!


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Old 01-12-2006, 09:13 AM   #126
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lol...yha, I dont remeber Joelee dying when I played, infact he was in my party on the StarForge
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Old 01-12-2006, 10:14 AM   #127
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You mean Jolee and Kreia (Traya), right? Joe Leigh was not a character in this game. :P And, er, JediMasterDeath, I find it uneasy to read that post because of you threatening to blow things up ( ) and advertising Football Club UK...
And I wouldn't give ol' Kreia Force Ghostiness. She doesn't deserve it, most Sith don't get that form of returning.
And LA would be rather stupid not to make a KoTOR III, I'm sure they can smell big money from it
EDIT: And, the Exile's love is either Visas or Brianna, depending on your influence with them.
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Old 01-12-2006, 10:31 AM   #128
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lol, mere humor Meatbag with the blowing the world up, I thought that would be obvious by the fact of what I had said I woild blow up? and im pretty sure I said Joelee didn't I?
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Old 01-12-2006, 01:40 PM   #129
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Kreia wouldn't come back as a Force Ghost. She hates the Force.
Jolee is dead. Force Ghosts are cheesy and would add a layer of cliche I'd rather that KotOR III didn't have. The description idea would need to go into so much detail in the dialogue it would seem ridiculously un-realistic, IMHO.

JediMasterDeath: The spellings are "Kreia/Traya", "Jolee Bindo", "Droid", "face-off", "Vandar", "Nihilus", "Mandalore". Star Forge is two words, and you shouldn't capitalise a word in the middle of a sentence unless it's a proper noun
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Old 01-12-2006, 04:06 PM   #130
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The power of grammar is immense...
And with the blowing things up, in SWG forums this guy took a map of Austin where the Devs are, and drew on stuff like 'target located' and things, and one of the community peeps said they might call the police! That's cheesy.
Force Ghosts aren't cheesy. I find them to show the true nature of the Force. Besides, a true Jedi doesn't die, they become one with the Force. :P
And if they were cheesy, Luke wouldn't come up close because of the awful smell.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:00 PM   #131
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Oh, come on. They're outdated by twenty years! They look stupid. If you don't like cheesy, then how about kitsch?



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Old 01-12-2006, 05:14 PM   #132
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Force Ghosts aren't cheesy!! You are just in a bad mood. Take a time-out

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Old 01-12-2006, 05:19 PM   #133
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I think it would be neat if he did, it would make it more "Star Wars-ish" i suppose. But if you wanna get down and dirty, according to EpIII RotS Qui-gon Jinn was the Jedi who learned how to come back as a ghost kinda thing...not syaing it wasn't done before but that ability would have been lost at some point had it been known before.


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Old 01-12-2006, 10:25 PM   #134
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Here's my list of characters to return:
MUST HAVE
HK-47 in party
T3-M4 in party
REVAN as object of quest
THE EXILE as object of quest
CANDEROUS as leader of a suicide mission that helps buy time to fight "THE TRUE SITH" and brings glory to the Mandalorians forever

SHOULD HAVE
CARTH either alive or in holocron
BASTILA either alive or in holocron
VISAS in cameo
BRIANA in cameo
ATTON in cameo
MIRA in cameo

SHOULD NOT HAVE
MISSION
EITHER WOOKIE
JUHANI

MUST NOT HAVE
GOTO!!!!
KREIA!!!!


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Old 01-12-2006, 10:37 PM   #135
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Kreia wasn't really a Sith everybody...Traya seemed like a whole separate person.

Speaking of Kreia, it would be cool to see the Exile and Revan meet up sometime and the Exile tells Revan everything. When he tells what happened to Kreia I just think it would be nice to see Revan react a little sadly. My first play through in TSL, when Kreia finally died, I felt kinda sad.


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Old 01-13-2006, 04:11 AM   #136
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Traya wasn't a Sith either. She hated the force.



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Old 01-13-2006, 10:35 AM   #137
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Kreia/Traya not a sith?!?

Using The Force to manipulate people and events to benefit yourself at the expense of everyone else in the galaxy is the hallmark of the Sith. It's the same thing Darth Sidious did. She just didn't care to "rule the galaxy." She may have said she hated The Force, but there is an old saying, "What you are is screaming so loudly I cannot hear your words."

Kreia/Traya was every bit a Sith.


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Old 01-13-2006, 01:32 PM   #138
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Jolee is dead. Force Ghosts are cheesy and would add a layer of cliche I'd rather that KotOR III didn't have.
It almost seems like you want K3 to be a plot and a game engine, with nothing else. I don't think I've seen you want any new option/idea implanted in K3. Or maybe I just haven't looked hard enough. No offense meant DI, of course...

But as for what you said: I'm sorry, but where is your basis for "Force Ghosts are cheesy?" You must be suggesting that RotJ was cheesier than any of the other movies because some old guy had to show up with a blue glow around him and guide Luke- wasn't cheesy to me.
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Old 01-13-2006, 01:52 PM   #139
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Well said Rob. Kudos!

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Old 01-14-2006, 02:02 PM   #140
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Im not botherd really all new characters would be fine for me but haveing an older mission as some Cantina Dancer Would be pretty Kool :P
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Old 01-16-2006, 08:02 PM   #141
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in all likelyness hk-47 will be back because he survives untill the Galactic Civil War era... i dunno if i want old char's tho id be happy with just new ones or some old ones..
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o and the jedi didnt really have force ghost's 'till qui-gon
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Old 01-16-2006, 08:09 PM   #143
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Kreia/Traya not a sith?!?

Using The Force to manipulate people and events to benefit yourself at the expense of everyone else in the galaxy is the hallmark of the Sith. It's the same thing Darth Sidious did. She just didn't care to "rule the galaxy." She may have said she hated The Force, but there is an old saying, "What you are is screaming so loudly I cannot hear your words."

Kreia/Traya was every bit a Sith.
Traya hated the force. Everything about it. A Sith desires power, and uses the Dark side for evil-doings, while a Jedi wants to protect the weak, and use the light side for good-doings (something along those lines. Whatever). Traya didn't want the force to exist, and used the Dark side to suit her own purposes (which register as more or less "evil"). She didn't want power; as I've heard it been put: "she fell from the dark side to complete Nihilism". So, while she certainly is closer to a Sith than a Jedi, I don't think she quite fits into the category.

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Old 01-16-2006, 08:23 PM   #144
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Im not botherd really all new characters would be fine for me but haveing an older mission as some Cantina Dancer Would be pretty Kool :P
While I definitely want to see Mission all grown up and hot (and in a hot dancer outfit), I don't expact to see her as a Cantina Dancer. She can do better than that?
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Traya hated the force. Everything about it.
I think she felt betrayed because The Force did not protect her when Sion and Nihilus deposed her. In fact, it served Sion and Nihilus in their coup d'etat. She wanted revenge on the Jedi, Nihilus, Sion, The Force, and anyone or anything else who she felt had harmed her. She saw that The Exile was her best instrument for exacting that revenge. However, being angry at The Force (indeed, the entire galaxy) for perceived betrayals does not mean she was not a Sith.


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Old 01-16-2006, 09:42 PM   #146
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I think your reasoning is right on, though like I said: even if she considered herself sith, she does not fit the mold at all. I think the best way to describe the argument now is: she wasn't at all a "typical" sith.

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Old 01-17-2006, 11:23 AM   #147
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Im not botherd really all new characters would be fine for me but haveing an older mission as some Cantina Dancer Would be pretty Kool :P
I think Mission can do better than that, like PoiuyWired said. As for the dancer outfit, PW - c'mon, I'd think you could find a better reason for Mission to come back than for eye-candy.
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Old 01-17-2006, 04:13 PM   #148
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CALO NORD definately Admiril Carth Onasi an awesome character some sort of Sith Lord fighting for you that would own!
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Old 01-18-2006, 11:21 AM   #149
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Ok. That is disturbing but I give you credit for liking Calo Nord. The Bad news however, you kill him in KOTOR.

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Old 01-18-2006, 07:52 PM   #150
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i dont really know but based on all the evidence....
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:20 PM   #151
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You know, I'd like to see Zherron as a minor character, after he's gained a few military ranks. If he's alive.
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:53 PM   #152
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Mission. Being a Twi'lek she would be hot and she'd be what, 21 or older by KOTOR 3.
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Old 01-18-2006, 10:18 PM   #153
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Welcome, Mikel!

I have a question. Why does everyone want Mission 'cause she's "hot"? I'm repeating myself, but please; can't we get another reason for her being there? Not saying you aren't entitled to your opinion, just kind of wondering...

But in the event no one can, here is one. Based on Redhawke's make Mission a Jedi Mod, couldn't Mission make a small appearance in a Jedi Strike Team or something (look in my new story idea, although it might take a while to post) as a Jedi. Even though Revan didn't train her during the hunt for the Star Forge, it isn't too far-fetched to reveal that she was shown the Force by him afterwards.
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Old 01-19-2006, 11:19 AM   #154
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No I think not. Heck even though Carth was an Admiral in TSL, based on RedHawke's make Carth a Jedi mod, I still thought of it as a possiblity that he understood more about the Force eing around Revan and Bastilla.
Personally I would Mission would be better off making a cameo appearance.

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^I'm not quite sure what you mean with Carth Onasi... Sorry, I just don't quite understand your post, do you mean that the same could be said of Carth, but he was just a Republic Admiral in TSL?
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Yes that's what I trying to say. Too much coffee makes me ramble What I was trying to get at was that even though Carth became an Admiral in the fleet, he could still be in tuned with the Force. I remember reading a book saying that those who were not chosen as Padawans used their skills in the Force for other things like the Agri-Corps, where the Council sent you apparently, but my point is is that he could have learned a few things during the adventure in KOTOR even though he is not a Jedi. After all:
The Force is in all of us, though for some it is barely but a measurable whisper

I was trying to reinforce one of your other posts about Mission.

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Hi I am new here. I have noticed quite a few posts concerning the force-ghosts of the Master's killed by Kreia at the rebuilt conclave. One thing has been bothering me though, when Kreia killed them, I recall reading something about them being devoid of the Force. So as they were removed from the force wouldn't that mean that they could not become force-ghosts?

Now I could be wrong but I do believe that when Kreia killed them she ripped the force from them as well as their lives.
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Old 01-20-2006, 04:46 PM   #158
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First off, Welcome Godrin!

As for the masters that Kreia killed, they switched off the sabers meaning they turned from the Jedi. What kreia told them before she killed them was somewhere along the lines of, "Let me show you what the Exile say, you who have forever seen the galaxy through the Force." Also look at the last part of the Jedi Code: "There is no death, there is the Force." I took this to mean, from the Buddhist belief, that all life is sacred and that the Force touches all things. The Exile's case was that he severed himself from the Force and created a breach that feeds upon life. I hope this explains things.

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would like to see
Calo Nord/Mira-(dark/light choice) as a party member
Jolee Bindo- is a must
Admiril Carth- is a cool idea for a party member
The Droids- except HK47(to snotty/annoying)
Juhanni -no i dont think so
Mission- no
The Wookies no theyre getting old maybe a diferent type of alien
Bastila is a must
Revan-maybe(how can you create what he looks like?)
The Exile- See Revan
Atton Rand- must see as a Jedi master
Mandalore- would be super awesome addition
Bau Dur No useless (unless he can make you cool sabers)
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Old 01-21-2006, 08:14 AM   #160
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Calo Nord dies in KoTOR. You kill him and loot his body, which then goes invisible. HK-47 is a star, maybe you just don't understand him. Bao-Dur was cool.

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