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Old 01-03-2006, 04:38 PM   #1
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501st/Battle of Hoth

So, was the 501st on the Battle of Hoth given the name Blizzard Force? Or were they merely sent in as a supliment to General Veers Blizzard Force troops? Meaningless question yes, but just curious.


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Old 01-03-2006, 05:10 PM   #2
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Old 01-03-2006, 05:47 PM   #3
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The Snowtroopers were designated Blizzard Force, according to EU and Starwars.com. They were assigned to General Veers and Death Squadron.


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Old 01-04-2006, 08:23 AM   #4
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One thing is certain, the 501st fought their last battle on Hoth.


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Old 01-04-2006, 03:57 PM   #5
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I thought 501st is also on Endor?? o.O Or at least, part of it.

501st under Vader is it not?
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Old 01-04-2006, 05:30 PM   #6
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I was really looking forward to a 501st Endor mission, and maybe have some missions that take place before Endor would've been really fun, it's a shame that the SP campaign ends with the Battle of Hoth.


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Old 01-04-2006, 05:53 PM   #7
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The 501st missions are called "Rise of the Empire", the Empire fell as a result of the Battle of Endor.



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Old 01-04-2006, 06:40 PM   #8
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Maybe, but there aren't many SP levels.. which seems to be a trend these days in gaming. Easy to cop out and say "rise of th Empire, we'll just leave it at the Battle of Hoth."


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Old 01-04-2006, 07:42 PM   #9
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The 501st was not on Endor. Their last major campaign was on Hoth.


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Old 01-04-2006, 08:03 PM   #10
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Yeah, that's why there's no Endor campaign.


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Old 01-09-2006, 02:30 PM   #11
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So what were the 501st doing in the waning years of the Empire? Just kicking it on Star Destroyers? Many battles left to be fought after Hoth, did they accompany Vader to Bespin? Leaves many questions unanswered, I suppose it is up to the modding community to fill in those gaps.

From what I understood the 501st served the Empire until after the battle of Endor, where they eventually disolved after the death of the Empreror and Vader, after that they disentigrated into the power struggles of various Imperial Officers that tried to resurrect the Empire. Also Thrawn resurrected the 501st in name only.


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Old 01-09-2006, 03:35 PM   #12
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Leaving the game at Hoth could leave oppurtunity for a BF3. Perhaps it could be " Birth of the Rebellion" mode?
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Old 01-09-2006, 04:03 PM   #13
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Hoth was probably their last battle of great recognition, before they retired (clones don't live forever after all.) I mean better to leave the campaign on an epic note, then some unimportant minor raid.

That being said a campaign for the birth of the rebellion would be cool, maybe beginning on the Tantive IV, where you have to ensure certain droids escape imperial hands, to the climactic battle above Endor and the fall of the Empire, that would be a cool campaign.


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Old 01-09-2006, 06:18 PM   #14
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Well yes ending the story on Hoth is a right choice... its more fun to finish thwe story mode in glory rather than getting speared to death by a bunch of oversized furbys...
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Old 01-09-2006, 06:30 PM   #15
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Was the 501st on Endor? I thought that was another of the empires finest legions, not the 501st. I was under the impression they retired from service before the battle of Endor, read it somewhere I think.

But yeah that would have been a really degrading final mission. Defeated by the vicious feral carebears of Endor.


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Old 01-10-2006, 11:58 AM   #16
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What I have read on Starwars.com is that they served the Empire through the Battle of Endor, whether or not they were at the battle of Endor is anyone's guess... I would imagine they would have been, unless they were reassigned to another commander that wasn't present at Endor.

The game TIE Fighter had you fighting up till the last days of the Empire, BF2 could've handled it in a similar fashion. I do admit that some of those later TIE Fighter missions, especially in Defender of the Empire expansion pack got a bit intense, but it was interesting to be under the gun like that.


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Old 01-10-2006, 03:52 PM   #17
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Was the 501st on Endor? I thought that was another of the empires finest legions, not the 501st. I was under the impression they retired from service before the battle of Endor, read it somewhere I think.

But yeah that would have been a really degrading final mission. Defeated by the vicious feral carebears of Endor.
Yeah... Empire's "Finest" Legions...

I wish they were retired before Endor though in my heart, then they do not have to see the Empire slipping out of their hands.

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Old 01-10-2006, 05:16 PM   #18
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A lot (most) of SWBF2 material is not canon and directly contradicts established canon (such as Blizzard Force being on Hoth), so I can safely say that the 501st being on Hoth is wrong. The 501st is Stormtroopers anyway, not Snowtroopers.
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Old 01-10-2006, 06:02 PM   #19
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Snowtroopers are just Stormtroopers outfitted for cold weather. That's all.



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Old 01-10-2006, 06:45 PM   #20
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True, but Blizzard Force was specifically trained for harsh conditions, additionally they are trained to work along with AT-AT's and AT-ST's on assault missions, they don't use stealth, they just go in knock the planet out and leave basically.


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Old 01-10-2006, 07:07 PM   #21
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Snowtroopers are just Stormtroopers outfitted for cold weather. That's all.
Wrong. They are an entirely different corps with different training and different duties. It's like Army and Marines; some people might confuse the two, but in reality they are not interchangable.
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Old 01-10-2006, 07:44 PM   #22
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Yeah... Empire's "Finest" Legions...
Lol, yeah, the emperor did say he had his best troops waiting for the rebels on the planet. The 501st might have been stationed with Vader on his SSD, or maybe they were somewhere else.

I guess the 501st never was officially on Hoth, maybe a certain detachment was outfitted speacially for the mission to support Blizzard force. After all they did accompany Vader everywhere, it's possible I suppose.

I think it's without a doubt just another innaccuracy made for the sake of the campaign. They did this alot, have the 501st supporting another battalion of troops, not exactly canon, but at least it doesn't go right out and claim that is was all the 501st, and the other troops arn't even their.


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Old 01-11-2006, 04:39 PM   #23
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Well, snowtroopers, sandtroopers, swamptroopers... and other variants, they are all different.

Now 501st is more like a commando group, so It won't be strange if some of them are on Hoth... though the majority of the assault would be via standard snowtroopers.

Its like, if the recon commandos are in a battle... doesn't mean that a WHOLE ARMY of recon commandos is fighting there (lets ignore the fact that where in hail can you find army of recons)
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Old 01-11-2006, 05:29 PM   #24
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Weren't the troopers on Hoth under the command of General Veers and not Darth Vader, and therefore not the 501st.



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Old 01-13-2006, 03:31 PM   #25
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Good point. I think you're right. Darth Vader was elsewhere and couldn't command the troopers on Hoth.


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Old 01-13-2006, 09:34 PM   #26
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I thought Vader was in that invasion??

I mean, he is somewhere there, though unlike BF2 he is not running around with his saber out.
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Old 01-14-2006, 01:42 PM   #27
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He was there but they weren't his Troops.



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Old 01-14-2006, 08:20 PM   #28
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The 501st did all manner of missions even after the fall of the Empire. You're talking about 2 different 501 legions. The first was made up of clones that killed the jedi and did other missions such as going back to geonosis to hunt down a rogue droid building general, killing the naboos and their queen, and quenching a uprising of a mutinious batch of clones at kamino made by the treacherous kaminoans.

I do know that the 501st was around till the end. After the emperor died the clone 501st was broken apart. Sometime after Grand Admiral Thrawn remade the 501st out of beings of all races that did not include a single old 501 member because the clones were past their fighting stage of their lives.


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