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Old 01-05-2006, 11:36 AM   #41
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Something Else, though, with the time-frame of the game it is almost essential for the Venator to be in because we start out just after ROTS. I as well will say that the Venator was one of the key BattleShips in the Battle of Coruscant. Also without the base developement of a SD then what will explain the creation of the SD.
I as well know for a fact that the ARC Starfighter was a pre-x-wing.



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Old 01-05-2006, 12:28 PM   #42
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the arc looks realy like a pre-x-wing, but normaly it should be the Z-95 headhunter -- did you see this ship in ROTS? i didnt
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Old 01-05-2006, 01:45 PM   #43
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is the headhunter a pre-x-wing? or should it be? never heard about that....


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is the headhunter a pre-x-wing? or should it be? never heard about that....
The Z95 is in about all the old flight sim games. Man I sure loved those flight sims.


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Old 01-05-2006, 02:49 PM   #46
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Sorry that we are swaying off subject.... But in the Commentary of Episode III, I heard from the people in the Commentary about the ARC being the pre-X-Wing. Other reasons for this is that the Empire orginally developed the X-wing as well. I have as well seen that the Venator ship was just renamed as the Imperator after the Empire rose to power. The main difference between the Z-95 headhunter and the ARC-170 Starfighter is that the Z-95 is developed by the Alliance vs. The ARC/X-wing was developed by the Empire. The Rebel Alliance did not develope the X-wing, thus it is not the Pre-X-wing.

In the Venator view of this, I see that the Venator is a key link for the time of the game and Episode III. If the Venator is out, it takes away part of link between the game and the prequel trilogy.



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Old 01-05-2006, 03:22 PM   #47
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Technically the Z-95 was the pre-Xwing. It had been established way before the ARC fighter. (Im talking real life not star wars timeline). But then they made the ARC so both are really a pre-Xwing design. The Z95 also lasted longer than the ARC as it is still in use way after RoTJ. Though it was mainly used by pirate organizations after RoTJ. They wont be using the ARC in EaW as it isnt in the official site list. They will be using the Z95 as the pre-Xwing.

As for the Venator, without it in the space part of the game there is no Episode III ships at all. Sad. Correct me if im wrong of course.


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Old 01-05-2006, 03:25 PM   #48
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the z95 headhunter is the xwing's lil brother....
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Old 01-05-2006, 03:40 PM   #49
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Christ people, give it a rest already.

Your first clue that this could happen should have been when you read .... will take place a few years before the events of ANH ......
Your second hint should have been .... experience the creation of the Rebel Alliance ......
Now, explain to me, how can you possibly think that this game takes place in between the entire 20 or so years of ANH and Ep. III after reading this?
And secondly, seeing there are 2 sides, the Empire and the rebels, how can you then be able to play as the Rebel Alliance, a unified front against the Empire which was created only 2 short years before ANH, if the game starts a few years after Ep. III?

Having the Venator in was already controversal in the first place. It's like having the Executor in.


About the Z-95, the Arc, X-wing, etc .....
The Z-95, the Arc-170, and the X-wing, were all developed by a company called Incom Corporation.
The Z-95 "Headhunter" was ment for everyone who could afford it.
The ARC-170 was specially contracted to the then ruling government, the Republic.
As for the T-65 X-wing, I couldn't find any concrete evidence it was contracted by the Empire. I see indications that it was, and I always believed it was. Either way, the X-Wing design ultimatly ended up in rebel hands after the Empire decided to nationalize Incom.

So it's alittle more complicated than saying rebel side fighters, or empire side fighters, or republic side fighters.




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Old 01-05-2006, 03:46 PM   #50
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the rebellion starts only 2 years before ANH? i dont know it, but im confused because in the cutted scenes of ROTS you can see padme talking to mon mothma, the leader of the rebellion, so i think the rebellion started not directly with the beginning of the empire, but not 18 years later - to much time... when you think about the steeling of the DS-plans only...not only 2 years
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Old 01-05-2006, 04:07 PM   #51
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The Alliance to Restore the Republic wasn't formed until about 2 years prior to ANH.

I never said rebellious groups didn't pop up earlier.
Mon Mothma was not the single person to form the Rebel Alliance. The Rebel Alliance was formed by the, at the time, 3 biggest rebellious groups, one of which was headed by Mon Mothma. The other 2 was lead by Garm Bel-Iblis from Corellia, and Bail Organa from Alderaan.

Again, Star Wars is alittle more complicated than you think.




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Old 01-05-2006, 05:22 PM   #52
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And NEEEH Wrong Answer.

Rebellion began with the treaty of 2000. And the Rebellion began 4 years PRE ANH.

Garm Bel-Iblis united 3 pirate groups with the help of Mon Mothma and Bail Organa in an effort to thwart the Empire. After The Ghorman Massacre Bail Fully threw his efforts into the Rebellion resigning from the Imperial Senate to allow himself to be free-er to go and spread the fire. Leia was his replacement.

Bail was killed and Garm was pushed out of the limelight as Mon Mothma became the holographic face of the Alliance.



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Old 01-05-2006, 06:08 PM   #53
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i thaught this thread was about the Venator?...
and why it was first shown to be in the game and now, is not.

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Old 01-05-2006, 06:13 PM   #54
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I thought it was self explanatory. This game takes place several years before ANH, so by then all Venator's would be decomissioned in favor of the newer models.

The Acclamator however, has no true replacement so far as i can tell, its a simple, armed troop transport, and is *NOT* a pre-cursor to the Star-Destroyer class. The Venator was replaced by the newer model, the Imperator-Star Destroyer, and after its inventon it is obvious they would begin phasing out the Venator, and by EaW's timeline all Venator's would be gone. But again, the acclamator doesnt really have much of a replacement so no need arose for the Acclamators to be decomissioned.


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Old 01-05-2006, 06:25 PM   #55
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There a thing called gameplay and realism, in this case you might be right the venaters were scratched and replace but I dont care. Its a game, all in all I dont give a rats a** who built what when were or why. As long as it makes sence and has a little truth(no Empire with Mon Cals) but they could have or Nebulan-b's and the rebels can have some clone wars era stuff as long as its A Fun game to play.

edit: Mr.DancyRobots right this thread is about how we wish it was in and to inform people its not. So its NOT IN cry a little and look forward to every thing that is.
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Old 01-05-2006, 07:23 PM   #56
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Back on topic if we would?

I think the removal of the Venator is disappointing, for me anyway, as it was my favorite Republic ship. I don't think however that it will ruin the entire game and I also don't think it was done so Lucas Arts could suck us for all our money. I am going to say that I simply trust the Devs to be doing the best that they can to bring us a good, solid, well-balanced game. If they too the Venator out, they probably have a reason that they think is good and I'll back them on that even if I don't know what it is.

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Old 01-05-2006, 07:23 PM   #57
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Well, Fosh, unless there's been a change recently in the history of the Rebel Alliance, all my sources state it started formally with the signing of the Corellian Treaty, where Garm united the 3 largest revolutionary groups, not pirate groups, with the help of Mon Mothma and Bail Organa.

So I got that last part abit wrong.

Now, I may not have the most recent books that has come out yet, so I don't mind being corrected upon.

But if you continue to be a wiseass about it towards me or anyone here again in the future, I will start deleting your posts.
Do I make myself perfectly clear?

You're starting to push my buttons.



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i agree with muppet

we would LIKE it but we don't NEED it
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Old 01-06-2006, 12:13 PM   #60
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well even though im not a big fan of the venator,but the more i look into this i more realize the game doesnt start between 3 and 4 it starts in 4.What im saying is that we do kinda need the venator so it can atleast looks like its between 3 and 4.
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which timeperiod is this officially set in? If its set closer to 4 then the venator SHOULD be left out.



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****, Fosh, you've been a moderator, and may still be one somewhere (I don't know, did you get your Mod status back over at PFF?). You should know propper forum conduct.
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It's set closer to 4 than 3.




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It's set closer to 4 than 3.
then why is there a debate, the empire would have decommisioned the venator at this time, in favor of the SD. they had the Acc and the SD, they didnt need the venator.



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Well, the Venator replaced the Acclamator, really. The Acclamator isn't the only ship that can land on planets. You had Venators in dry dock and on Kashyyyk, so there was no need for the Accs. Venators are superior in every way.


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Well, the Venator replaced the Acclamator, really. The Acclamator isn't the only ship that can land on planets. You had Venators in dry dock and on Kashyyyk, so there was no need for the Accs. Venators are superior in every way.
ummm, no it didnt.

THe acclamator is a troop transport, the venator is a combat cruiser and fighter carrier, not a transport ship. Just because the venator was on the planet doesnt mean it replaced acclamator, in fact far from it. Never in the history of any military, fictional or non fictional, replaced a troop carrier with a combat vessel.


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Well, I don't really care about the venerator. Never liked that ship. But, as I know, there will be atleast 10 different mods and 249 topics on getting the venrator back.


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Well, the Venator replaced the Acclamator, really. The Acclamator isn't the only ship that can land on planets. You had Venators in dry dock and on Kashyyyk, so there was no need for the Accs. Venators are superior in every way.
BattleDamage is right the venator never replaced the Acc, the reason the Acc is still in the game is because a better transport was never created, thus showing a need for the Acc.



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Then please explain why there was a Venator, and not an Acclamator in the background, during the first few shots of Kashyyyk beach. Where did the Juggernauts and AT-TPs (I think that's what they're called) come from? LAATs and AT-TEs were still in EP3, so Lucas wasn't changing everything. The Venator is better than the Acclamator in every respect. It's bigger, faster, more heavily armed and armoured.......


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even thou i havnt seen that, there could be many plausable reasons why the venator was on the ground, but im sure if you talk to LA they would say the same thing i did about the venator. now i thaught that the venator was the predesecor to the VSD (victory class star destroyer).



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The VSD and the Venator was developed at the same time, by 2 different companies.

Neither was the predecessor to the other.




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The VSD and the Venator was developed at the same time, by 2 different companies.

Neither was the predecessor to the other.
Well one could of been if it was created 5 min after the other


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Ehm, no.

It first of all requires to have been built by the same manufacturer.
Secondly, it has to have been in service for so and so long period before something new comes to replace it.

These were competing designs and companies. Kuat was already strong, but at this point Rendili (the creaters of the Victory) was struggling to survive.




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The VSD and the Venator was developed at the same time, by 2 different companies.

Neither was the predecessor to the other.
oh yea thats right, but which company made the ven, and VSD, and ACC. the company that made the Acc, and the Ven would not have made the ven to replace the Acc because the ven is a carrier and not a transport. you cant replace a transport with a carrier, thats just dumb.

you cant compare the ven to the Acc, its like comparing a sports car to a mini-van. if you were to compare the ven to something it would have to be a SD.



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oh yea thats right, but which company made the ven, and VSD, and ACC.
Acclaimator: Kuat Drive Yards
Venator: Kuat Drive Yards
Victory: Rendili Stardrive

According to Wikipedia that is . The Victory SD was made to compete with the success of the Acclaimator assault ship.


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Acclaimator: Kuat Drive Yards
Venator: Kuat Drive Yards
Victory: Rendili Stardrive

According to Wikipedia that is . The Victory SD was made to compete with the Venator and it eventually won seeing as the victory was a more well rounded ship and the Venator wasn't.
so the VSD is a carrier, and not a troop transport. alot of ven fans think otherwise.



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I appologize I meant the Victory was created to compete with the success of the Acclaimator. Post edited.


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if the ven and VSD were created at the same time how come this is the first time i've ever seen the VSD?



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if the ven and VSD were created at the same time how come this is the first time i've ever seen the VSD?
Because you never played Rebellion?
never got involved in the Star Wars Combine?
never bought SW Tech books?
didn't know about Tarkin landing one on a bunch of protesters?
wasn't aware they were the last SD that could enter the atmosphere?
Are a casual fan and not a rabid source thumping fan boy?
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