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Old 01-17-2006, 08:23 PM   #1
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attack on Coruscant

ofcourse during the period before the Empire, Coruscant was a prime political system that both the Jedi and the Sith walked amoungst.

has there ever been an attempt to fully control Coruscant, by the Sith?

reason for asking is because in episodes 4 5 6, Coruscant is not mentioned. is it because it was already controlled by the Empire/Darth Sidious?

but because there are no dealings in Coruscant during the reign of the Empire, did it become less of a threat because the systems political base had been controlled?

i see this as a big oppurtunity to control one of the greatest systems in the galaxy. it wasnt mentioned that this system was on Darth Sidious' mind while trying to take over the Republic, it was only at the system that it happened, when he did gain control, because the Republic meetings were held there.

i mean i could think that because the Republic had become the Empire and Darth Sidious was leader of the Empire, Coruscant wasnt a necessity. i dont know if Sidious had any dealings with the system after the fall of the Republic, or if he needed to, but what about the New Republic after Sidious' death?

so the Yuuzhan Vong captured Coruscant and changed the planet state?
and because they did this it isnt habitable for the New Republic, for its lack of strength and need for rebuilding?

is it going to be reconstructed for the New Republic?

if so, they are at a weak point. whats keeping the Sith from taking it over for themselves? lack of numbers?

man, in a way, i am greatful that the Sith were balanced, but in a way, i dont know what people are going to do if things go back to the way they were, 4000 years before the Old Republic...when the Sith were nearly in control and growing in numbers.

what about the Sith uprise?

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Old 01-17-2006, 08:28 PM   #2
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Are you forgetting that the Republic "is" the Empire? There was no "sith takeover". Coruscant isn't mentioned in 4, 5, and 6 because there is no story there, really. The rebellion certainly isn't going to attack Imperial City, and watching Palpatine shuffle around isn't a real crowd pleaser.

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if so, they are at a weak point. whats keeping the Sith from taking it over for themselves? lack of numbers?
Well...yeah. I mean, there are no sith after RotJ.

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Old 01-17-2006, 09:00 PM   #3
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but there is still the dark side....doesnt mean the Sith cant come back.

its not the Empire anymore, if you progress through the progress. its called the New Republic.

if the Jedi council had still existed, do you think an overthrow of Sidious, before Vader killing him, might be crucial to bring the balance back into the galaxy? yes, the council was destroyed by order 66, but this does not mean that the teachings of the Jedi were dead." Into exile I must go; failed I have." —Yoda said, and this held hope that another Jedi could come back and restore the ways of the force and the Jedi Temple. by Vader killing Sidious, the Empire had ended and ultimately bringing balance. maybe this is why the Jedi could re-establish order within themselves to bring it back to the way it was when the Jedi Council existed, another balance in the force.

and if the Sith could realize the same thing, then it would continue to happen, and the Sith could start trying to control what they lost. i know they really cant, if there is not enough numbers in the Sith, but this does not mean they didnt go back to the solitude they had on Korriban, studying the dark side of the force for the reasons they study it.

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Old 01-17-2006, 09:21 PM   #4
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but there is still the dark side....doesnt mean the Sith cant come back.
Dark Jedi and Sith are different.

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its not the Empire anymore, if you progress through the progress. its called the New Republic.
Yeah. I know. You were referring to the old republic, and so was I. My comment was aimed at the ones you made before you lapsed into speculating about the new republic.


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and if the Sith could realize the same thing, then it would continue to happen, and the Sith could start trying to control what they lost. i know they really cant, if there is not enough numbers in the Sith, but this does not mean they didnt go back to the solitude they had on Korriban, studying the dark side of the force for the reasons they study it.
But...there are no sith. They're all dead. Vader threw down Palpatine, Vader died, and I do believe the rule of two prevents any more. If both two are dead, there can't be any more, officially.

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Old 01-17-2006, 09:32 PM   #5
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not if most of the Dark Jedi, back 4000 years before episode 1, had turned Sith; it is not said it couldnt happen again.

what are most of the stories where the Dark Jedi turned Sith eventually?

what about Lumiya?

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not if most of the Dark Jedi, back 4000 years before episode 1, had turned Sith; it is not said it couldnt happen again.
There was fuel for them. The Sith Empire was not long dead. In the "modern" era of Star Wars, all the ancient influences have died. For instance, the ghost of Freedon Nadd corrupted Exar Kun and turned him sith: that's reasonable. Revan was corrupted by the ancient Sith teachings on Malachor (and fell completely as he beheld the power of the Star Forge), etc etc. Now, Malachor and the Star Forge are both gone. Korriban is silent.

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what about Lumiya?
Bah, she was delusional.

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It sucks that you can't go to Coruscant in SW: Galaxies.
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Old 01-17-2006, 10:46 PM   #8
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It sucks that you can't go to Coruscant in SW: Galaxies.
Stay on topic.

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Old 01-18-2006, 12:08 AM   #9
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but she was trained in the dark arts....lol, arent a lot of Sith, or Dark Jedi, delusional by denying the True Balance of the Force and seeking their own beliefs in how to manipulate it to their strength, power and ability?

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but she was trained in the dark arts....lol, arent a lot of Sith, or Dark Jedi, delusional by denying the True Balance of the Force and seeking their own beliefs in how to manipulate it to their strength, power and ability?
There is no true balance to the Force. It is simply a resource out for the taking that the Sith and Jedi have formed their own opinions about. As for Lumiya, I'm not sure if she counts as a Sith. Vader trained her, yes, but she was never officialy accpeted into the Sith Order. She's just one of those self-proclaimed Sith.

As for an attack on Coruscant, there was an attack on it during the Great Hyperspace War, the Great Sith War, and although it's never been anounced, it's quite likely that there were some attacks during the Great Schism or the Sith War.

You seem to have quite a few qestions about Star Wars history. I would recommend going to theforce.net and looking at their timeline. That thing is humungous. Or at least it was... I last read it over a year ago. But if it is still there, you should get quite a bit of info out of it.


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Old 01-18-2006, 03:31 AM   #11
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i will definately look into that.

if you think about it; Lumiya was trained by a Sith, when the Sith order didnt exist anymore, doesnt this mean that it could once exist again? even in her limited years of experience?

and, yes, there is balance in the force; the balance is within yourself and how you understand it for what "it IS." by this, you should KNOW both sides.

because the Jedi and the Sith have total different veiws and opinions, this doesnt mean they drift from the subject of the force. these different opinions effect their judgements, because they see the force in 2 total different ways; 2 total different understandings. but someone had to of come to the conclusion of The True Ways of The Force; whether dark or light and bring balance within themselves; not the cause (code) of either the Jedi or the Sith, or the Dark Jedi, or the "Grey Jedi," any of that mess, just an ultimate understanding of the force, what it IS, what they have experienced and what they discipline themselves to.

"In contrast, positive emotions such as compassion and courage "nurture" the light side of the Force. The Jedi Code compares such feelings and provides insight into the ethical {use} of the Force."

"The Sith also believe that instead of "living alongside" the Force, one must master it and {use} it as a tool."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Force

"Remember: Your focus determines your reality." Qui-Gon Jinn

what are the focus between the two; Jedi and Sith?

this is why the imbalance exist; they both have a different focus

"Savior, conqueror, hero, villian. You are all of these things, Revan... and yet you are nothing. In the end, you belong to neither the light nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone." Darth Malak

this implies he was ONE with the force he understood. was it the True Force?

"Skill does not always draw from the Force, but it is a measure of power nonetheless. It can grant knowledge, help steady oneself when one's thoughts are in chaos, or grant enlightenment." Darth Traya

this implies that somewhere along the paths we take; we need to consider the present moment, in all that we ARE, what we are doing, how to use ourselves wisely in what we are doing, and what we can become by what we sought to find. the Truth is out there, its finding it outside of what someone else says it is.

what side are you on?

and if it were the Sith, what would you want to do for that cause (code)?

and if it were the Jedi, what would you want to do for that cause (code)?

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Old 01-18-2006, 06:10 AM   #12
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shaded, of all the wonderful SW resources on the web, that you use wiki to illustrate your points is..... intriguing.

Go to the Expanded Universe Forum, its FAQ gives you a great guide into good SW resources....plus, it was written by a very handsome moderator

Heres a link to the EU forum, the FAQ is stickied near the top

http://lucasforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=442

Coruscant was designated as Imperial Center during most of the Galactic Civil War. The New Republic was established much later after the fall of Emperor and quite often was not based on Coruscant.

The story of how the NR actually took control of Coruscant is outlined in the 'X-Wing" Novels series, in particular "Wedge's Gamble"

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Old 01-18-2006, 06:33 AM   #13
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thanks. yeah, i am trying to find good, legit sites on everything i need to know.

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plus, what are your thoughts on the idea of Sith uprising in the New Republic?


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Old 01-18-2006, 06:54 AM   #14
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thanks. yeah, i am trying to find good, legit sites on everything i need to know.

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plus, what are your thoughts on the idea of Sith uprising in the New Republic?
The New Republic was effectively destroyed when Chief of State Feyla was killed during the Yuuzhan Vong attack on Corsucant.

What exists now is the unimaginatively title Galactic Federation of Free Alliances, and the Jedi Masters Council presided by Luke Skywalker.

*The original "Sith" are an ancient species that were used as slaves by Dark Side Force Users
*The Dark Side Users adopted the term Sith to describe their Doctrine of Imposition. The term was also used to describe armies created/led by such individuals
*Darth Bane brought an end to the sith infighting, destroying all other dark side users and annihilating their armies. All that was left was him, and his daughter Zhanna, his first apprentice. This gave rise to the "Only a master and apprentice" rule whch defined the sith. To survive as a secret order, this policy of secrecy lasted 1000 years, until sith lord Darth Sidious felt that political conditions favoured the creation of a clone army, which he would eventually use to destroy the jedi
*When Palpatine/Sidious was destroyed, thus ended the true reign of the final sith lord.
*Whilst there has been numerous "dark jedi" in EU subsequent to ROTJ, there has NOT been a sith. Pretty much all the dark jedi in EU have been pathetic anyways, including Kueller, Lumiya and the Shadow Academy(which still plague EU to this day)

* If you do some research into the NJO, you'll find that Lucas has effectively red lighted any plotlines in EU outlining a true sith re-emergence(though one- off deranged clone emperors and wannabee dark jedi are ok)

The Sith are DEAD

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Old 01-18-2006, 07:13 AM   #15
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well that ****in sux!!!!!

so everything about the Siths teachings are lost?

and because the Sith are dead, does this mean every single person in these forums are vain for calling themselves a Sith?

what happened to the old teachings? they had to of existed even to this day on Korriban, if not the least of the Sith Tombs, by their Masters memory, millinia ago. quite sad actually......

can i still have a theoretical conversation on the Sith of Old, so their teachings flourish in our minds and hearts?

who Truely knows the way of the Sith? who will remember their cause (code)? who will live by it? who will conquer the balance within themselves by embracing themselves and their passion? who now are still consumed?

i dont believe the Sith should of died out. they were a major role in the galaxy, whether or not they threw the force off balance; my purpose was to bring that balance back to them, a new teaching for the greater knowledge of the force and to fulfill their passions about what they believed in.

"Who I am is not the question. Those are titles, words you cling to as the darkness falls around you. "Sith" is a title, yes, but like you, the title is not who I am. It is not what I believe. For you... it is different." Darth Traya

"If you are to truly understand then you will need the contrast, not adherance to a single ideal" Darth Traya

"It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you." Darth Traya

lets illaborate together and take over the galaxy.....the old fashioned Sith way.

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Old 01-18-2006, 07:49 AM   #16
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well that ****in sux!!!!!

so everything about the Siths teachings are lost?

lets illaborate together and take over the galaxy.....the old fashioned Sith way.

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No the sith teachings arent lost. In fact, the strength of the new jedi order is that it recognises the dangers and works consciously to educate its students about the perils of the dark side, not hide it away like the jedi order which fell after the clone wars.

also, unless you are using hip-hop speak, Im not sure illaborate is a word ??
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=illaborate

but either way, the sith are finished

What you can look forward to are planned Novels about the old Sith Lords. There is one called "Dark Lord" which is out right now about Vader immediately post ROTS. There is also one about Darth Bane planned, called Path of Destruction. Check the EU forum for more info

In addition you can always revisit the great comic series:
*Tales of the Jedi
*The Sith Wars
*The Golden Age of the Sith

and the Jedi V Sith series focusing in Ventress & Tyranus, and the upcoming *new* KOTOR era comics

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Old 01-18-2006, 08:13 AM   #17
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sorry, i meant, elaborate. but yeah, i still believe that the Sith have a chance to rise again......

if not by someone else, by me.

lets elaborate together and take over the galaxy.....the old fashioned Sith way.

re-read my edit: its a point i wanted to make earlier, but my computer ****ed up.

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A fascinating display of wiki-knowledge, shaded6. Try not to get another thread closed down.

The Sith never needed to make an attempt to fully control Coruscant, the Sith fully controlled Coruscant when Palpatine purged the Jedi and named himself Emperor.
It is more likely that the Sith might have attacked Coruscant during the Jedi Civil War era.



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yeah i will try to behave, you have my word on that. but um, yeah, i always wondered why the Sith didnt attack Coruscant, mainly for their population and culture, the entire system being a single city.

i didnt know wiki was a bad source and it was the only one i had at the time. theforce.net doesnt have good sources either so i am still trying to find a good one.

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If your talking about the movies, the Sith are two people, they couldn't attack Coruscant, and Sidious didn't need to.



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no i'm talking about the Old Sith Empire, or the one that i just recently found out, will not exist; but anyways, i was wondering if the Sith had ever tried or plotted to take over Coruscant at some point or the other.

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no i'm talking about the Old Sith Empire, or the one that i just recently found out, will not exist; but anyways, i was wondering if the Sith had ever tried or plotted to take over Coruscant at some point or the other.

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Following Darth Bane establishing the "Rule of Two" the sith went into hiding for 1000 years, so they werent going to be taking anything over....let alone corsucant. Before that, namely "Old Republic Era" the sith inhabited worlds like Korriban and such

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They did not try to take over Coruscant, it was in the very center of Republic space, it would be impossible. End thread.



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...End thread.
lolz... that's not really your decision to make

EU has presented us with a new conundrum of sorts... sith ? dark jedi ? whatever they are they live in a SW galaxy set 100 years after any current EU..

check out THIS THREAD in the EU forum for more info

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lolz... that's not really your decision to make
Well the thread ended there so I guess I was right...



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