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View Poll Results: Who Is Your Favourite Sith Lord In The KOTOR Series?
Darth Malak 55 29.41%
Darth Sion 19 10.16%
Darth Nihilus 42 22.46%
Darth Traya 50 26.74%
I Like All Of Them 11 5.88%
I Don't Like Any Of Them 10 5.35%
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Old 04-11-2007, 02:07 PM   #81
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Well Nihilus is cool yes but he was a big letdown. All that suspense and talk about his power is destroyed when I faced him. I make a attack or two and the cut scene with Visas triggers another attack and Nihilus is defeated. It wasn't worth it.

Sion has a cool power but he lacks will power and is a brute with little intelligence (it's no wonder he's always Traya's pet). He's just brutish and after a battle of wills he gives up. Pathetic.

Traya was a brilliant character and one of the best written characters I've seen in games (and I've seen a lot). She's also probably the most manipulative characters (along with Kane from the Legacy of Kain series) and I like that. Her grey philosophy brings a new point of view in to Star Wars aside from the usual Light side and Dark side.

Malak was cheesy yes but he best suits the definition of a Star Wars villain. A true epitome of evil it really motivates me to fight him for the fate of the galaxy.

Normally I'd choose Traya as the best and most interesting character but this is Star Wars and I feel Malak better fits in to it. He's the classic villain. If this wasn't SW I would have Darth Traya not Malak. Traya is great but I have a hard time picturing her as a true Sith Lord not because she is too manipulative but because she is too grey. I like such personalities but in Star Wars everyone and everything is black and white and Malak simply fits better in to it.
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Old 04-11-2007, 02:49 PM   #82
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And why is Mr. Cheese winning the poll?!?!? Vote Traya! Or vote anyone but Mr. Cheese!
Mr. Cheese is winning because KotOR-fans vote for him, while TSL fans are divided among the three Sith Lords. I mean, just look at you and me - we definitely like ANY of the Sith Lords in, well "The Sith Lords" better that Mr. Cheese, yet you vote for Traya and I vote for Nihilus... And if you and I can't agree, then surely all hope is lost


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Old 04-11-2007, 04:07 PM   #83
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Mr. Cheese is winning because KotOR-fans vote for him, while TSL fans are divided among the three Sith Lords. I mean, just look at you and me - we definitely like ANY of the Sith Lords in, well "The Sith Lords" better that Mr. Cheese, yet you vote for Traya and I vote for Nihilus... And if you and I can't agree, then surely all hope is lost
And I vote for Sion, which makes the the three TSL Sith Lords all get at least one vote. I have to agree though, Malak is the worst villian out of all of them. When I first played KOTOR, I admit I used to find him a good viliian, but compared to Sion and Traya, he is nothing.
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Old 04-11-2007, 05:21 PM   #84
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It's quite telling that KotOR-fanatics can vote for only one Sith Lord while TSL-fanatics can vote for three. And those latter three all a good number of votes for them. One thing though, although Malak may be winning as an individual Sith Lord with 35 votes right now, the combined Sith Triumverate is whooping his backside with a combined total of 37


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Old 04-12-2007, 05:54 AM   #85
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It's quite telling that KotOR-fanatics can vote for only one Sith Lord while TSL-fanatics can vote for three. And those latter three all a good number of votes for them. One thing though, although Malak may be winning as an individual Sith Lord with 35 votes right now, the combined Sith Triumverate is whooping his backside with a combined total of 37
Actually, the Sith Triumvirate has 47 votes, not 37. Not too crash hot with your maths are you? I can’t talk; I had to use a calculator to figure out the total. Not really by the way. I’m sure you meant 47 and not 37 though, because that would explain what you meant by “whooping its backside”. Yes, that's right, I said "it". It’s a stab at the Malak fan-boys. Wha-? What did I just say? Malak has fan-boys? Have I gone mad? It’s this fora. It’s doing more bad for me than it is good.

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Old 04-12-2007, 02:05 PM   #86
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Well, after weighty consideration, I think I eventually have to go with Kreia/Traya here. An in-depth character who didn't just stand around making supposedly evil speeches and laughing a lot.

Malak definitely had too much of the slightly camp pantomime baddie thing going on (reminded me a lot of Jerec from Dark forces II for some reason), even if he did have a final end dual better than any others. Nihlus, alas, was too overblown for when it came down to fighting him. Sion was good and just misses out.
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Old 04-15-2007, 10:46 AM   #87
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You know, this reason how Malak is able to win via a purality shows the problem with modern-day democratic elections.

We should change to a system that would be more represenative of our will, to showcase who we really love. I don't remember its name, but mathmaticans around the world want this new voting system, so that democracy can be much more accurate.

Here's the idea for a brand new election, let us assume we have 4 candinates, MALAK, TRAYA, SION, and NIHLIUS. You then have the ability to rank them based on 1, 2, 3, and 4. 1st Place gets 3 votes, 2nd place gets 2 votes, and 3rd place gets 1 vote. We tally up all the votes, and we'll see what the will of the people are.

This way, we can better and more accurately determine the will of the people, instead of having skewed results like this. The only problem is that this system might be a bit too complex...but I don't think so. Doesn't hurt to try, though.

Oh, and I'd like to post some critics' views for Kreia:
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While Sith Lords was generally viewed by gaming journalists as just another sequel that didn't live up to the standards set by its' predecessor, I would have to say I really disagree. Woe be to me to question the judgment of such highly skilled professionals, but I really think they just weren't intelligent enough to understand the game's subdued, yet morally complex, plot which culminated in a duel with the woman who is almost solely responsible for your own salvation. Darth Traya (i.e. former party member Kreia) is the quiet, nearly invisible force behind almost all the terrible things, but also almost all of the really good things, that happen throughout the game. She incessantly forces the player's character into nearly impossible situations, but all for the sake of making him into someone who does not follow either side of the force blindly, but rather questions and lives with a fierceness which defies the Jedi's stark emotionless ness and opposes the Sith's blind wrath. While the mechanics of the actual battle are nothing particularly jaw-dropping, the confrontation with Traya, where the player must defeat her for what she has come to embody because of the very teachings she has instilled in him, is one of the most moving moments in all of video games. After finishing Sith Lord's and hearing Traya's final message I spent a long time pondering my own conceptions of morality and the Good. I don't think any other video game has ever managed to get that response from me.
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Old 04-15-2007, 11:50 AM   #88
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SilentScope001, your idea about ranking the Sith sounds good. You could create a Thread and I will post my views, which would be.

1. Sion
2. Traya
3. Malak
4. Nihilus
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Old 04-15-2007, 01:15 PM   #89
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Darth Traya. so awesome...all that deciet and manipulation, and she just shrugs it off like nothing was wrong with that...so cool...


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Old 04-15-2007, 08:26 PM   #90
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Darth Traya. so awesome...all that deciet and manipulation, and she just shrugs it off like nothing was wrong with that...so cool...
I'd have to agree. As far as Sith Lords go, well, Atton put it best: " All the talk of manipulation, standing on your own two feet. You don't get anymore Sith then that."
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Old 04-17-2007, 09:12 AM   #91
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Traya!!!! She's cool, i like her.

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Nihilius: The-cat-climb...Awwhhh **** YOU!! *blasts teacher*

Teacher: That's uggh good enough for me..you've passed....ugggh....*collapses*

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Old 04-21-2007, 02:13 PM   #92
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I voted Traya. She is so manipulative, and I love the way she just pops up and either threatens or knocks out anyone in her way. Nihilus got a close second thpugh, I really wish there was more of him in the game.
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Old 06-15-2007, 06:55 PM   #93
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Nihilus is my favorite. He was the most powerful of them, that's a fact. He would give Revan, Malak, Sion, Kreia, Exar Kun, Bane, Kaan, Sidious, Maul, Dokuu, (NOT Vader), Krayt e.t.c., e.t.c. some serious asswhooping. The only reason why he lost against the exile was because the exile was a wound in the force. So Nihilus best power, the power capable of destroying entire worlds, was useless. If the exile wouldn't have been a wound in the force she would dead before she would get the chance to say: "Holy S**t!"

Sion was to arrogant, he always thought that he was the better one and that he could defeat Nihilus. Well, the cut content proved that he was wrong, big time.

Kreia would get a second place actually. She was very wise. Not Jedi style wise, thinking and teaching that the galaxy is a good place and that everything will solve itself when you meditate, but realistic wise. She knew the dangers of the universe. She knew that all you do sends echoes trough the force and for that you must make serious sacrifaces. And YertyL, if you say that the force keeps everything alive, how would you explain the Yuuzhan Vong. If Kreia would succed in destroying the force, it wouldn't have been so different. Everyone would just live like the Yuuzhan Vong, not feeling the force. The only different thing is that there would be no jedi or sith who can rule the galaxy and no echoes that makes people do things like killing someone.

Malak was just stupid. He thought that he was the most powerful man in the universe and that nothing could stop him. He could be compared to a Goa'uld, thinking that he is a God. He wasn't a good strategist at all, the only thing that made him powerful was that the star forge was pumping out new ships and droids every second. In the end Revan proved that he was a weakling, only capable of defeating others at distance with ships armed with superlasers.


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Old 06-16-2007, 04:20 AM   #94
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Malak was just stupid. He thought that he was the most powerful man in the universe and that nothing could stop him. He could be compared to a Goa'uld, thinking that he is a God. He wasn't a good strategist at all, the only thing that made him powerful was that the star forge was pumping out new ships and droids every second. In the end Revan proved that he was a weakling, only capable of defeating others at distance with ships armed with superlasers.
Who is a good strategist besides Revan and Kreia? hm..

Malak's mastery of the force was second to only Revan during Kotor I...and his betrayal of Revan shows that he is not as stupid as many would like him to be. What better chance could there be to kill your master? If it had worked, it would indeed have been a "single masterful stroke", killing Revan and Bastila at the same time...
Malak was strong and a natural leader, he just lacked tactic and strategy.
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Old 06-16-2007, 05:16 AM   #95
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Hmm... I can't pick. I like all of them, dammit.


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Old 06-16-2007, 07:45 AM   #96
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Revan was my favorite. He's like Grand Admiral Thrawn: Sith Lord edition. But from the ones on that list, Malak. Why? Sion makes my ears hurt with that voice of his, Nihilus isn't even a character, he's a walking, 'talking' McGuffin, and Traya was a totally ineffective villain. Woo, look at me! I betray the Exile, and then the Exile kills me! At least Malak devastated the Republic. Sion and Nihilus did more damage than Traya.
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Old 06-16-2007, 11:17 AM   #97
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I think they're all pretty sweet, including Revan. But I think that if you gave the Exile some cool robes and a mask he would be pretty good too.


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The Exile isn't a Sith, even if he goes Dark Side.
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Old 06-27-2007, 01:23 AM   #100
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Sion by far...
Traya hated the concept of the Force... Nihilus didn't even care for the Sith or any life for that matter (Nihilism baby). So those two are out. Malak may have his bursts of intellect like betraying and outwitting Revan (once) but overall, he was fairly stupid. Plus, Revan did everything for him (Star map, troops, etc.). And, Malak also cared more about conquering the Republic rather than the genocide of the Jedi. Malak was just an angry, 8-foot tall boy with an extreamly long lightsaber.
Sion on the other hand... cared only about the annhilation of the jedi. He was EXTREAMLY morbid and looked the way he acted (festering skin etc...). And he personally chose to beat the crap out of Traya with his hands rather than his lightsaber. Plus, he had a skin-crawling voice. He may be a little dimwitted but hey... What sith lord isn't a little stupid? (except for Bane, and Palpatine).

Honestly, he is more true to the Ideal than any of the others... and he could probably take on Malak... (Nihilus and Traya could whoop him... but they weren't really Sith... just two Death obsessed cultists).

Edit: Sorry for the double post but i do have to say that Traya is my favorite character out of any of them... she's just not a blind, Sith-by-the-book. She has a much more interesting backstory and her views are actually worth considering... blinding yourself to ANY creed is dangerous no matter what it may be. She actually evoked the thought that the individual is more important than the beliefs that they may potentially blind themselves to...
So my favorite character out of them is Traya. But, in terms of idealogy, Sion was more true to the original concept of "Kill all Jedi".
In terms of power... either Traya or Nihilus... Probably Traya since she tricked Nihilus and had the Exile do away with him instead.
Even though KOTOR 1 is my favorite game, lets face it... Malak was horrible and a poor attempt at a 4000 year old Darth Vader.

My favorite Non-KOTOR Sith Lord would have to be Bane. Is it official that he's the Sith'ari' or is that merely speculation among fans?


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Old 06-27-2007, 04:08 AM   #101
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Nihilus was just really hungry...
Yeah, but what was he smoking? I mean talk about gettin' the munchies.

I'd have to say Kreia was the most interesting as presented. The others were either poorly fleshed out (Sion and Nihilus) or a caricature (Malak). Otherwise, I'd have to say DS male Revan (edging out a DS male Exile...yeah, yeah, I know it's not cannon, but big freaking deal ....)


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Old 10-27-2007, 02:45 PM   #102
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Who is your favourite Sith Lord in the KOTOR series?

I would have to say Darth Traya. The Jedi Exile did not expect her betrayal, but I unfortunately did. And she's a powerful and a wise one.

I was having hard time myself to succeed in gaining maximum influence with her. To be honest, I haven't... That's why I'm going to play the game once again.

Second place: Darth Malak. I was disappointed in his cowardice move - to 'kill' Revan while he is on his ship. A smart, but not a brave move. But I like him, still. He understood his mistake.

I like all of the Sith Lords mentioned, but these two are top two for me.
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:24 AM   #103
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I would have to say Darth Malak. Probably because he seemed to be the cruelest of the all. He could be deceiving
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I personally think that there were to many sith lords in K2 for one of them to be my favourite. I fell i didn't get enough info on them to choose.


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Old 11-04-2007, 10:35 AM   #104
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Kreia - I like complicated villians.
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If I was forced to choose one it would probably be Malak, but I chose none. The only Sith Lord the game really goes in depth about would probably be Darth Revan, IMO.

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Old 11-04-2007, 02:43 PM   #106
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Ooh! Ooh! Darth Traya, definately. She was quite the betrayer.

However, in terms of whom is the best Sith Lord, it would be Malak. Everyone else has been redeemed, or had views not similar to the Sith.
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Old 11-04-2007, 04:59 PM   #107
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Nihilus, with Kreia second.

Anyone but Malak, who must count as the most cheesy villain ever in Star Wars. You just have to hear him laugh once to know why he lost his jaw...


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Old 11-05-2007, 12:49 AM   #108
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Anyway, I agree Jediphile, Malak was a pretty cheesy charater...

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Aww, It was hard to pick But in the end I picked Sion

Sion: I think he ish really cool, and how he keeps himself together is quite amazing
Malak: Almost picked him, almost, he was really cool aswell, many would call him a coward for shooting Revan when s/he was in the ship, I call him an 'opportunistic' (sp?xD) person.
Traya: uhg, never cared for her much -.- She was always complainin to me about somthin. {opinion!}
Nihilus: Didnt care for him either, he was out of them all, the easiest to kill, which for such a big hype, is quite a let down >.< {'pinion}


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All of them.

Malak for being a prissy dick-head and trying to kill his master (perfect backstabber example!).

And the trio of TSL for being awesome (not too informative on my part, but whatever :P).


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Well, my vote is based on my trademarked Villian Cool Point Scale. 10 points for apperance, 20 points for evilness, and 20 points for "bad stuff they done did."

Basically I kinda had a tie between Sion and Nihilius. Both's apperance was pretty creepy. When I first played Perageus, and had Sion walking after me when I entered the engine bay, I was like "OSNAP! I'M NOT READY FOR A BOSS BATTLE!" Also, very mean looking face, he always looks kind of concentrated/constipated. Nihilius was the spookiest, because he's not really anything. He had no face, which makes him almost inhuman, which makes him seem unbeatable. Seem, is the key word. On bad things done, Sion basically cut of a hand (but then again, in star wars, who hasn't cut of their fair share of limbs?) and tortured and killed Lonna Vash, who seemed like she had it coming going to a sith planet as a jedi master...duh. While Nihilius ate whole planets because of an empty tummy. Nihilius also seems way more evil. Sion let Kreia control him and mess with his head, but a good evil guy let's no one stand in the way of the TORTURE! Nihilius basically had no reguards for life, he even choked Visas when we first met her. So yeah, reevaluating, Nihilius wins.
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Well, at least he had facial problems... just imagine if he'd had a mustache to twirl too [insert shudder here]


My personal fav was Traya/Kreia, I like intricate, complex stories, with manipulative villians with ulterior motives, makes for a better story.


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Kreia is my favorite, the old hag. Sion and Nihilus tie for second, with Malak cackling in last place, where he belongs.


By the way, why isn't Atris on the list?


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Because Atris is just a fallen Jedi stooge.
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Bandon :P But i chose malak as he's the only real sith lord.
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Because Atris is just a fallen Jedi stooge.
So were Sion, Nihilus, and Malak.


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Yeah, but Atris never took a Sith name, joined a Sith organization, or claimed to be a Sith.
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Well, she thought she was Darth Traya, and she did claim that the Jedi and the Sith were the same, with her being the last Jedi.


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Wow. You know it must be popular when DARTH MALAK, wannabe Vader extraordinaire, gets more votes than any of the others.
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I guess the evil laugh won them over.

When did Atris say that she was Darth Traya?
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