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Old 02-02-2006, 01:22 PM   #1
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Who do you want to play as in KoTOR 3?

I've read a lot of different opinions on the main character in KoTOR 3. Although I think Revan should again be the main character, there are some who think that should be the Exile and some who think we need a completely new character. Well, the easiest way to know for sure what the majority wants is a poll. So, vote for your prefered character and maybe give an explanation for your opinion.
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Old 02-02-2006, 01:28 PM   #2
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I'd prefer either Revan or the Exile as the main character. Or you can have both to choose: they ahve different story course and still one of them is a party member. But I'm fine if it's a new character.
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Old 02-02-2006, 01:30 PM   #3
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I think that there should be a new character. This is because, Revan and the Exile will be too powerful to use and a new character would make KOTOR better. I think.
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Old 02-02-2006, 03:54 PM   #4
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I voted for a new character because I think KOTOR 3 would be more involved in tracing the steps that Revan and the Exile walked in the Unknown Regions

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Old 02-02-2006, 08:49 PM   #5
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New character, just because I don't like recycled characters.


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Old 02-02-2006, 09:12 PM   #6
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A new character. Building your character is is essential to an RPG. Both Revan and the Exile are powerfull characters at the end of the games. Reusing them would be forced, I mean does anybody want to see Revan or the Exile mindwiped or cut off from the Force again?
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Old 02-02-2006, 09:13 PM   #7
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Completely new Character. I pretty much agree with Palpatine_dc said.


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Old 02-02-2006, 09:39 PM   #8
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I agree with palpatine_dc, new character definatley. However th e new character need to meet up with Revan and the Exile.


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Old 02-03-2006, 02:28 AM   #9
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I voted for Revan because i liked the character and would like to play him again BUT this would not be practicle for the reasons that others have already stated, so it should be another character. Yet another super powerful jedi, WOO HOO!

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Both Revan and the Exile are powerfull characters at the end of the games. Reusing them would be forced, I mean does anybody want to see Revan or the Exile mindwiped or cut off from the Force again?
On this point, if that were to happen, i think the most believeable would be the exile. Heres why, the exile regained his abilities through force bonds (especially with Kreia), so when he goes off by himself to find Revan he looses many of his abilities as he has no force bonds to rely on. So when the game starts and he has people join the party he can start to regain his abilities again. A bit lame i know but (i think) believeable.


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Old 02-03-2006, 02:32 AM   #10
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Old 02-03-2006, 02:47 AM   #11
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Old 02-03-2006, 07:38 AM   #12
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A new PC, Revan and The Exile are Jedi gods now, and I will not be happy if we do have one/both of them and they return to level one that would be bull****. Also, I want to be a REAL Jedi, not an exile or ex-Sith Lord who has amnesia.
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Old 02-03-2006, 08:44 AM   #13
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Old 02-03-2006, 08:59 AM   #14
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Revan!
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Agreed.
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Old 02-03-2006, 09:31 AM   #15
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Eh you can vote what you want, but i know what it will be. It will be what i voted- a new PC. come on it's right in front of your nose, dont u get it.
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Old 02-03-2006, 09:32 AM   #16
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i agree with bolsen i want to be a pure jedi this time but at the start of my training, possibly a jedi padawan.
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Old 02-03-2006, 09:36 AM   #17
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come on it's right in front of your nose, dont u get it.
No, I don't get it.

One thing about a new PC: If anyone chose this option because it 'doesn't make sense', then it isn't a good enough reason. If someone voted because he wants a new PC, that's fine.
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Old 02-03-2006, 09:37 AM   #18
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i agree with bolsen i want to be a pure jedi this time but at the start of my training, possibly a jedi padawan.
I think that would be a good idea infact its close to one of my ideas for k3.

Like i said i'd like to play Revan again but its not going to happen.


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Old 02-03-2006, 10:14 AM   #19
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Completely new character.

The last thing we need is some lame excuse why Revan or the Exile are back at level 1.

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Old 02-03-2006, 10:18 AM   #20
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Completely new character.

The last thing we need is some lame excuse why Revan or the Exile are back at level 1.
How about this lame excuse?

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The exile regained his abilities through force bonds (especially with Kreia), so when he goes off by himself to find Revan he looses many of his abilities as he has no force bonds to rely on. So when the game starts and he has people join the party he can start to regain his abilities again. A bit lame i know but (i think) believeable.


Another great idea by the people who brought you beer milkshakes!
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Old 02-03-2006, 10:22 AM   #21
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Good point, Sun_Tzu.

How about this lame excuse:

Revan, when arriving to the Unknown Regions, faces Nilhus. Nilhus knocks Revan's defense and syphons the force out of him. Being that Revan has a dark taint, Nilhus becomes what he is now. Revan falls unconciouss, since Nilhus nearly sucked his life force out. I know it's a long shot, but it might (I hope) work.
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Old 02-03-2006, 10:29 AM   #22
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Well it is lame.


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Old 02-03-2006, 01:17 PM   #23
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At the risk of being over-repetitive I'm gonna quote a part from my own post at the ''KoTOR 3 Storyline ideas'' thread:

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A scene begins on the Dark Planet located just outside the galaxy. That planet doesn't have its own sun, so it's always night. We are taken to a huge throne room where Revan (in his famous robes with the mask) meets the Sith Lord who will be the main bad guy in KoTOR 3. The Sith Lord tells Revan that he/she made a big mistake by coming there and says that Revan will die as the exile if he persists. They engage in combat and the Sith Lord triumphs. Instead of killing him the Sith Lord decides to spare Revan's life because Revan did weaken the Republic. He strips Revan of the armor and his memories of the Dark Planet's location and sends him/her in a small aircraft straight to Coruscant. At this point you are taken to the character creation screen and after that you take Revan's role once more in his quest to rally his companions and find the Dark Planet.
If you don't like it, say so, but do me a favour and don't call this lame.
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Old 02-03-2006, 01:48 PM   #24
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New character. If Revan or the Exile are the PC, I will scream.
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Old 02-04-2006, 01:35 AM   #25
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One thing about a new PC: If anyone chose this option because it 'doesn't make sense', then it isn't a good enough reason. If someone voted because he wants a new PC, that's fine.
I voted because of both. For one, I want a new PC. For two, I don't want to have some lame reason to be one of the same characters, yet level one and weak again - and with no items that I got in the last game. I would also prefer if my history is not already discovered, which can not be said of either Revan or the Exile.
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Old 02-04-2006, 01:38 AM   #26
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Old 02-04-2006, 11:59 AM   #27
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Reven. The storyline wouldn't be bad if perhaps Revan was nearly defeated by the sith in the unknown regions....(for a circumstancial reason of course; we wouldn't want to think Revan weak now would we). But all the same he should be back to claim his new party and then the game goes on.


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Old 02-04-2006, 03:34 PM   #28
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As much as I'd love to play as Revan again, the whole point of each game was to start from nothing and build your way up. That's what makes it so fun. To take that away and start immediately as a great Jedi/Sith, where's the fun in that? Also, to play as Revan or Exile, wouldn't the game somehow need to know which path you took? The only way it'd work is if you were stripped of your powers AGAIN, and that would just be ridiculous.

Definitely a new character with emphasis on facing the "true Sith" and following Revan and Exile to the Unknown Regions.. that would be badass.
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Old 02-04-2006, 04:05 PM   #29
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In response to the current poll results (and since I feel my wish to play as Revan again is being threatened by the wishes for a new character) I am forced to quote myself yet again, hoping to change your minds on this matter (in favour of Revan as the main character).

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Some say they don't want Revan as the main character again because they don't want some lame excuse for him losing his powers again, to them I pose a question: Would that excuse really bother you that much, if the rest of KoTOR 3 story is great?
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Old 02-04-2006, 04:47 PM   #30
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Old 02-04-2006, 05:10 PM   #31
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Old 02-04-2006, 05:56 PM   #32
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Yeah but Revan losing his powers for a second time? Come on.. how good of a Jedi can you be to lose it twice? lol. I could only see it as being in the Unknown Regions around the true Sith, their force energy being so strong that it clouds your own, and you don't lose your power but can't focus on it.. and would gradually come back the more enemies you defeated.. I could see that.
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My idea for a KoTOR 3 intro was similar to what you wrote here. I quoted it on this thread, if you want to read it just scroll up (assuming that you've set your display properties to show the most recent posts last) and you'll see it.
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Yeah but Revan losing his powers for a second time? Come on.. how good of a Jedi can you be to lose it twice? lol. I could only see it as being in the Unknown Regions around the true Sith, their force energy being so strong that it clouds your own, and you don't lose your power but can't focus on it.. and would gradually come back the more enemies you defeated.. I could see that.
Heeeey! I think that could work! You haven't lost your powers, you just are weakened by the strength of the True Sith. Of course, you wouldn't just get chunks of FP back by defeating enemies, the power you gain from them would be in the form of XP, which would help you level up.


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Some say they don't want Revan as the main character again because they don't want some lame excuse for him losing his powers again, to them I pose a question: Would that excuse really bother you that much, if the rest of KoTOR 3 story is great?
Because it breaks an RPG convention by doing so... We will start with a Level one PC, how can you possibly explain reasonably that Revan or The Exile are level one again? You can't as it is a plot point that has already been used.

Revan's and The Exile's days as our PC are quite over... You cannot play a game starting with a Level 20 character either, this eliminates your ability to customise and buld your character, RPG players can be broken down into groups, I won't go into them here, but suffice it to say by starting at level 20+ you would alienate a full 1/4 to 1/3 of your audience if you do this, right off the bat.

The stories of Revan and The Exile are already told as well, what else is there to learn other than their fates.

We will start with a new level one PC.

New Addendum: No matter what the "excuses" for Revan or The Exile to lose their levels again, all of them are not acceptable as good 'Game of The Year' RPG story points. Revan had this done in KotOR it was the great twist in the game too, the Exile had this done in TSL to a lesser extent, but only for history points, to do this to those exact characters again would lose the game any chance at any possible accolades.


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Reven. The storyline wouldn't be bad if perhaps Revan was nearly defeated by the sith in the unknown regions....(for a circumstancial reason of course; we wouldn't want to think Revan weak now would we). But all the same he should be back to claim his new party and then the game goes on.
agree,BUT he would be with those KOTOR 2 membersm who stayed alive (atton especially and he and exile should be married)

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(for a circumstancial reason of course; we wouldn't want to think Revan weak now would we).
then he would force lighting us!*LAUGHS*but revan and exile should be as party members with KOTOR 1 and KOTOR 2 party members
but we need a new sith lord maybe: Darth Android

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Well, if playing as Revan from the start is impossible, there's always my idea:

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Looking back on my explanation of how playing as Revan would work, I think I have a better idea. How bout around the time in the game when you should be level 20, there's an event going on that you need Revan to take part in (like some bad evil Sith guy) and he becomes a main charcter? He/she would have to be in DS/LS Revan robes. Like Mandalore, you can't take em off. Genius or what?
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Nope sorry Clone... I know that some want this to be so, quite badly I might add, but it just isn't really possible.

Revan will likely be 'seen' only in cutscenes, at best Revan will have the trademark masked outfit on, either the Black Sith ones or a Brown Star Forge version, but we also may never actually 'see' Revan in KotOR III at all.

We will not likely even 'see' the Exile in KotOR III, just too many possible appearances.

The dialogue to set the previous games is going to be obvious enough as it is...

Revan...
Good or Evil?
Male or Female?

Exile...
Good or Evil?
Male or Female?

That is now upwards of 4 obvious questions the devs will have to work into the game, these 4 will add a ton of dialogue complexity as well.

Now to actually be able to play them at a point in the game you will need to add...

Revan...
Non-Jedi Class?
Jedi Class?
Prestiege Class?
Saber Color?
Saber Style?

Exile...
Jedi Class?
Prestiege Class?
Saber Color?
Saber Style?

Now you have increased the questionaire to 13 total questions, not to mention the dozens of additional appearance questions for The Exile would completely ruin any semblance to something that can be reasonably worked into a conversation. What are they to do? Mugshots? No way. Whatever they did it would have to be really good or else we would start feeling more like taking a quiz than playing a game.

Also if we did get to play Revan, like people seem to want, how would you explain them having feats that we didn't take, to play a Revan different from my own would remove me from the story somewhat. This is suicidal to do in an RPG anyway, as your main character is to be the stories focus, and not an old character from a previous campaign.

The 4 necissary LS/DS, M/F questions and having in-game places to tell us what happened to Revan and The Exile will be quite enough to finish their stories. I think of Revan and the Exile as the story points that will guide our neophyte Jedi through KotOR III. Kind of like the marks left by Arnie Saknussem that were followed by the main characters in Journey to the center of the Earth.


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Revan...
Good or Evil?
Male or Female?

Exile...
Good or Evil?
Male or Female?

That is now upwards of 4 obvious questions the devs will have to work into the game, these 4 will add a ton of dialogue complexity as well.

Now to actually be able to play them at a point in the game you will need to add...

Revan...
Non-Jedi Class?
Jedi Class?
Prestiege Class?
Saber Color?
Saber Style?

Exile...
Jedi Class?
Prestiege Class?
Saber Color?
Saber Style?
This isn't exatcly that hrad to determine. You can use the dialogues to make a certain party member: Sealed apperance and personality. And if you don't like the apperance, mod it or deal with it. That is the policy all RPG games made.

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This is suicidal to do in an RPG anyway, as your main character is to be the stories focus, and not an old character from a previous campaign.
Now I have to make a remark that Revan and the Exile are the stories focus. It has been stated time and time again through TSL in dialogues, datapads, quests, acts and decisions of the bad guys, as well as the story.

Here is an explanation on the example of the Exile. And if required I will make one for Revan as well.

(Taken from the thread 'Revan and the Sith'ari')

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Could you please tell us?

I only know that the Sith we know are just dark jedi, and only cary the name.
It is so easy that I don't think that I need to say it. But anyway:

Who were the Sith sent to kill?
Easy, the last of the Jedi, the Exile (Ry'ghol as they call him/her)
Let me explain:

Nilhus, Sion and Kreia... The trio of the last Sith Lords in the Galaxy. But they were only in hte known regions. Their fanaticism and determination to complete their goals no matter what, points out to something more than just to kill Jedi and crush the Republic. To sacrifice yourself just in order to kill someone or turn them to your side is stupid... Unless there was something more to do there.

From what we saw in KOTOR 2, and from what we heard it is certanily something more.

The Jedi Masters, who we saw in KOTOR 2, always said that training Revan was a mistake they will never make again, and they always said that they were wrong when training Ry'ghol and that bad things happen and so... But none of them, never said that training Ry'ghol was a mistake. Instead they thought that it was dangerous to keep him connected to the Force, because of what he had, of what he was...

The Sith Lords, however, thought differeantly: They hunted him, fanaticly and determined. Why did they do it?

What I am about to tell, might not be accurate, but very strange at some point... Let's look at what were the goals of the Sith.

The Sith Lords, being so determined, could have only acted to do something, that by doing something with the Chosen One, they would control the Force. But they needed many things to do:

They had 2 primary objectives:

1. DESTROY THE REPUBLIC:

This objective was pretty obvious when Nilhus attacked The Telos Restoration Project AND when Vaklu decieded to ally with the Sith (and got their support). It was said many times in the game that the Republic depends on the sucessfulness of the Telos Restoration Project, and the situation on Onderon. And it wasn't such a surprising thing to attack the thing that was mostly defended: The Project was weak; Czerka was halting it; the Station was running out of fuel; And one torpedo was enough to blow it to hell. So I don't think that it was such a problem to do this.

And they did... They destroyed the Telos Station. Destroying the Republic; Forever...

2. KILL ALL OF THE REMAINING JEDI:

Now this objective was far more complicated to do, since the Jedi were too numerous. This objective became obvious when Nilhus destroyed Katharr, in order to exterminate all Jedi. Regretablly, some survived. But the main objective, the last of the Jedi, was no where to be found.

They had only ONE lead: THE EBON HAWK

Sion was sent out to search for Ry'ghol (Will be refered as Ryan Pano from now on). He found out that Kreia, was on the Ebon Hawk, and thought that he could lure the Republic to them. Kreia and Sion found Ryan. And so it went on. But they still had to use Atris, who was on their side to make Ryan a bait, so that he could lure out the Jedi Masters. Atris turned to the Dark Side willingly, to make Ryan a bait to lure the Sith out, so that she could turn against them and defeat them; but she failed in her attempt. There were to variants to completing their goal:

A) If Kreia managed to convert Ryan to the Dark Side to join the Sith, all they had to do is destroy the Republic and have Ryan kill all of the Jedi Masters.

Regreatably, the conflict between Kreia and Sion, which lead to it that Sion wanted to kill Ryan in order to have his revenge on Kreia; and Nilhus' determination to become the wielder of what Ryan held inside himself, turned out to be their end. And that is what occured.

B) BUT If Ryan chose to walk the path of the Light, then he was supposed to be killed so that Nilhus would wield what Ryan carried inside himself.

But the disagreements between the Sith Lords was their undoing, and so that ended up with their deaths.

They needed him, because he had the power to control through the Force, making him independent of it. He could control others through the Force... But it was also possible that he could control the Force himself.

Now, I'll need to stop here because I said too much already. I'll have to tell you more later, because there is so much more to tell, that it makes my head spin.

That's all I had to say...
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As you see, I have focused on the plot points and the more than obvious leads that Obsidian left in order to make this.
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To RedHawke:

1) I never said KoTOR 3 should start with a level 20 character (that would be pretty stupid, I agree), just that Revan should be the main character.

2) Revan lost his powers in KoTOR 1 when the Jedi Council stripped him of his memories. In KoTOR 2 Kreia was only stripped of her powers (her background story), not her memories. What could work in KoTOR 3 is what I already said - Revan was defeated in the battle with the leader of the ''True Sith'', his life was spared as ''payment'' for weakening the Republic, but to keep the location of their capital secret, the Sith Lord stripped Revan of his powers and the memory of the planet's location (only that one memory), after that he sent him in an automated pod into Republic space (or something like that).

So, from my point of view I'm not suggesting a rerun of the original story, but simply a logical reason for Revan's second loss of his powers. Revan would know who he is this time and what he needs to do, but this time the player would lead him on his search for the ''True Sith''.
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