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DVD only 40 47.62%
DVD and CD 28 33.33%
CD only 3 3.57%
I don't care 13 15.48%
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Old 04-08-2006, 12:56 AM   #81
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Im sorry about this, I tried the edit post feature to try to seperate all of this but it didnt work even though in the preview it looked all seperated.
Me too, I guess the post must have some sort of error in it, I tried to fix it to no avail myself. Wierd!

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I have to agree with what LIAYD posted above. PC Gaming is a hobby, and what I said above is the un-arguable truth. I submit that it is you that needs to change your outlook on things.

A DVD drive is not worth all this arguing at any rate...

So have fun playing your 4-tracks and 45 Records, and playing games on your 386 PC, all installed by 3 1/2 floppys because you are so resistant to any change.


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Old 04-08-2006, 06:05 AM   #82
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A DVD drive is not worth all this arguing at any rate...
Thanks. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one thinking that way...

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and playing games on your 386 PC, all installed by 3 1/2 floppys because you are so resistant to any change.
It was 8", 5,25", 3,5" and 3". And by the time of the 386 CPU 5 1/4" was outdated. [/Korinthenkackerei]

Still a 386 or better 486 PC would be nice sometimes - most old real-mode games can be played via Dos-Box but the games that switched to protected-mode via Dos-Extender (DOS4GW) are unplayable today. Too bad.

I had a 386 that had a 5.25" drive and a 3.5" drive on it and a ton of software I got used those 5.25" discs, so I don't call that outdated. But I really meant 3 1/2 not 5... Fixed. -RH

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Old 04-08-2006, 06:14 PM   #83
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I don't think you've read clearly. I have a 3 years old computer that can run most games. I have a good video card that will survive at least another year. How does that equate to companies "forcing" me into buying the latest hardware?
Maybe you just have a good setup and only buy games that happen to have reasonable requirements. Not everybody is so lucky.

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How the hell do I play with this old computer? No, I don't have the latest hardware, don't have the money for. Whenever games come out, they don't require the latest hardware. No one company is stupid enough to do that. It's not like HL2 needed the latest Radeon card to run or else you won't play the game. That would cost you over $500.
People got lucky with HL2, of course they had to deal with Steam which was a pain but hardware wise it was good for just about everybody, but not all games are like that.

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They require decent hardware to run. That's why I can still run new games.
So yeah, if 2 years ago, you bought very outdated hardware and now you wonder why suddenly you need to upgrade, wake up.
I have a fairly new PC and ive got a good video card on it. I just dont like how it doesnt play older games very well anymore.

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Newer computers seem more fragile? Not as carefully built? I built my own tower with as much care as I ever did and I maintain it carefully too. I don't see how it has anything to do with the subject. If you somehow have an emotional connection with an old outdated sound card...
People who build computers in their garage or house as a hobby do alot better job building them than companies do. These people only have to concentrate on ONE computer and they put their 100% effort into it. These companies crank out thousands of them and they dont care what condition theyre in as long as they get em built and sold.

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Also, you've never had a job obviously. All that you've said are idealistic mumbo jumbo that are far from the reality. Get a job, see if it's really as nice as you make it sound.
I know some people who do work who feel the same way. Getting a job isnt gonna change how I feel about it, its just gonna make me feel more so.

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Now, it is not about a question of format, it's about you disliking capitalism and the idea of making money.
No, I just dont like it how greedy oportunistic people take adavantage of our system here in this country and abuse it to get what they want at other people's expense.

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You've also called us idiots for upgrading our hardware. Gullible for obeying the companies who want us to buy a new video card every year. But who does that except for the very rich folks?
I dont think youre idiots, I just think sometimes you can let these game companies sway you to do whatever they want and in the end theyre the ones that profit for it. You may not buy a new video card every year but if its not a video card its something else and all the stuff you do buy probably adds up after a while.

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We buy a new video card every once in a while (usually over 2 years). Yes, that's a very short amount of time, I want the latest hardware!
You should be able to buy the latest hardware when you wanna buy it, not when these whacked up game companies tell you to. They gotta remember youre the customer and youre the only reason they dont go bankrupt.
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Old 04-08-2006, 06:21 PM   #84
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A DVD drive is not worth all this arguing at any rate...
I agree, its not so much me being against buying a new dvd drive, its just im against the whole concept of always having to buy new hardware for games so often whatever they might be.

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So have fun playing your 4-tracks and 45 Records, and playing games on your 386 PC, all installed by 3 1/2 floppys because you are so resistant to any change.
Im not that old, I dont have any 4 tracks or 45 records. I have some floppy disks but dont use them anymore cuz I dont have a disk drive for em anymore.
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Old 04-08-2006, 07:18 PM   #85
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No, I just dont like it how greedy oportunistic people take adavantage of our system here in this country and abuse it to get what they want at other people's expense.
Of course they're taking advantage of our capitalistic society! That's what capitalism is all about! If you're lucky enough and skilled enough (or you have enough things handed to you) then you can use the system to your advantage, that's what it was made for. This isn't a Communist country where we all work together for some idealistic crap.

As for your argument about how game companies "make" consumers upgrade their computers every once and a while know this: YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES. You don't want to upgrade to meet the hardware requirements then don't buy the game, you can live without video games-I've seen it happen with my own eyes.



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Old 04-09-2006, 01:10 AM   #86
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I agree,
Looks at large and useless post in rebuttal to what LIAYD posted...

Yeah! Sure you do!

Being I have some time on my hands, I will address something else illogical you said...

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its not so much me being against buying a new dvd drive, its just im against the whole concept of always having to buy new hardware for games so often whatever they might be.
Then you are persuing the wrong hobby my freind. PC Gaming is a hobby and it requires you, yes it requires you to be able to upgrade your systems or their components when needed, your argument is in opposition to this and hence you are likely not cut-out for this particular hobby or the responsibilities of this hobby.

You cannot 'whine' about having to get an insignificant DVD drive now, especially since you should have known (4+ Years) that you were going to need one eventually... well "eventually" has caught up with you, for it is now.


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Old 04-09-2006, 03:53 AM   #87
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I voted for both DVD and CD, although I have a DVD player in my pc, I still think it should be for both, as some people may not have DVD players in their machines.
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Old 04-09-2006, 10:45 AM   #88
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It's easily said: if you don't have a DVD drive, your system probably won't be able to play KOTOR III either when it comes out.
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Old 04-09-2006, 03:27 PM   #89
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Maybe you just have a good setup and only buy games that happen to have reasonable requirements. Not everybody is so lucky.
I realize what my computer can handle. I can play 99% of the games out there with a reasonable frame rate. I made good decisions when I bought my computer and if you did bad ones, it's nobody else's fault. By the way, I got it for a fairly reasonable price (1300$ CAN with taxes).

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People got lucky with HL2, of course they had to deal with Steam which was a pain but hardware wise it was good for just about everybody, but not all games are like that.
Yes they are. The only reason you might encounter compatibility problems is with an integrated video card. Integrated video cards are usually not used by gamers for support reason but mainly for performance. Some of them will even suck the juice out of your main CPU.

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I have a fairly new PC and ive got a good video card on it. I just dont like how it doesnt play older games very well anymore.
I can still play Doom 3D very well. The only problem is that some games don't work well with Windows XP.


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People who build computers in their garage or house as a hobby do alot better job building them than companies do. These people only have to concentrate on ONE computer and they put their 100% effort into it. These companies crank out thousands of them and they dont care what condition theyre in as long as they get em built and sold.
Of course, just like how an artisan will put more care into his creation then some factory employee. That's how it is. If you want increased costs, then it's up to you to buy stuff from artisans. I'm fairly happy with most mass produced things I have.

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I know some people who do work who feel the same way. Getting a job isnt gonna change how I feel about it, its just gonna make me feel more so.
You'll see when you face reality...you'll see...



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No, I just dont like it how greedy oportunistic people take adavantage of our system here in this country and abuse it to get what they want at other people's expense.
You've just ranted against capitalism there.


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I dont think youre idiots, I just think sometimes you can let these game companies sway you to do whatever they want and in the end theyre the ones that profit for it. You may not buy a new video card every year but if its not a video card its something else and all the stuff you do buy probably adds up after a while.
Of course it adds up. It's part of upgrading your computer. Besides, I realize that they're the ones making profit. You know, I am the consumer afterall. You don't need to upgrade every year. Hell, last year I bought some nice 5.1 speakers for my computer. Does a game need 5.1 surround sound? Absolutely not. I could have been fine with my old 2 speakers but I decided to have nice surround sound. I decided that.

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You should be able to buy the latest hardware when you wanna buy it, not when these whacked up game companies tell you to. They gotta remember youre the customer and youre the only reason they dont go bankrupt.
They don't tell you to buy the latest hardware mainly because it's not the latest hardware. If there is some specific requirement, it will be something very popular and already used by a vast majority of people. If somehow you have a 5 year old video card and it says you can't run the game on it, eh, 5 years.


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Old 04-09-2006, 11:18 PM   #90
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oh dear God, stop the madness!!

this debate has gone on long enough, and i'm officially warning you guys to stop before the thread is closed.


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Old 04-09-2006, 11:24 PM   #91
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Old 04-10-2006, 04:09 PM   #92
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Like prime said it would be better to get a DVD drive so u can play the games that will come out in the future. If u cant aford a dvd drive then u realy need to get a job or something and if u have a job and u still cant afford it then u might need to sell your computer or something if u are that poor.
Excuse ME! Yes I am poor and you want to know why? I am a COLLEGE STUDENT about to enter GRAD SCHOOL. The only reason I was able to get my new laptop was through Dell Preferred account which I am paying back. College students are poor, even when they work TWO part time jobs to total 40+ per week and going to school full time. It's exhausting. It took me a while to save for those games.
Now that I vented my spleen, BOT:
As someone else said, decent hardware will run most new games. The old laptop can still run, I could update the graphics card or whatever. It still works well for its initial purpose which was to type school assignments. I just got a new desktop at work but the old stuff was fine. In our world of technology, most distributors make their products accessible by making them compatible with certain kinds of systems like on the box it will say, "Intended for Windows 98, 2000 or XP. I would think they would do the same for games.

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Old 04-10-2006, 04:26 PM   #93
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In our world of technology, most distributors make their products accessible by making them compatible with certain kinds of systems like on the box it will say, "Intended for Windows 98, 2000 or XP. I would think they would do the same for games.
That's because they may have not used any of the new features of the Win32 API, if they don't take advantage of new features, then it will most likely be compatible anyways.



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Old 04-11-2006, 12:44 PM   #94
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It's easily said: if you don't have a DVD drive, your system probably won't be able to play KOTOR III either when it comes out.
Exactly. I mean c'mon, if - IF - KOTOR III will be released, it'll sure enough be a next-generation RPG, perhaps designed also for XBOX 360. Can you actually imagine a computer capable of handling such a game, requiring a monster GPU (e.g. the min. for Oblivion is GeForce FX series - I tried to run it on a GF 5500 (all the other specs were better than minimum) and it was not playable, looking more like a slide show), and at the same time using an old CD drive?
ONLY DVD!!!
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Old 04-11-2006, 01:05 PM   #95
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Exactly. I mean c'mon, if - IF - KOTOR III will be released, it'll sure enough be a next-generation RPG, perhaps designed also for XBOX 360.
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Can you actually imagine a computer capable of handling such a game, requiring a monster GPU
I can imagine it. *POOF!!!* ooopss It's actually there.

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and at the same time using an old CD drive?
ONLY DVD!!!
Then do both.



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Old 04-14-2006, 04:13 AM   #96
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DVD only! CDs are inferior, almost everyone got a DVD player nowadays. IF not, you pc will most likely not be able to run any current game.
Besides, in europe dvd drives are cheap.

But soon i will have to buy a "Blu ray" drive
Why cant technology stick to the DVD? I dont want a new medium every few years.

Oh and whoever said Kotor will be on Viesta only, are you serious? If that happens i will burn Microsoft down.
Hard enough to bear that they wont support my poor Windows 2000 anymore soon (not that i care about Microsoft support, but software companies will stop to port their stuff to win 2000 too)
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