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Old 04-15-2006, 09:35 PM   #41
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if he can still feed why its dosent kill The exile then?
Cos the exile is a wound in the force. It's the Sith Lord equivilent of: "urgh. Bad Burrito!"
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Old 04-15-2006, 09:40 PM   #42
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Cos the exile is a wound in the force. It's the Sith Lord equivilent of: "urgh. Bad Burrito!"
please.... i see the point your trying to make .

the exile is a wound in the force cause of the echoes is making in the force every action he make make huge echoes. this actions influence ppl is in contact.

try to be acurate please . ill try to find a save if still i have one before nihilus ill show you the screenshots.
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Old 04-15-2006, 09:42 PM   #43
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You people are dwelling too much on a thing you've already acertained - Nihilus was a human male to a certain point in his life when he became something more (or less, if you want to look at it that way). The real question is WHO is Darth Nihilus, or if you will - WHO WAS DARTH NIHILUS before he became Darth Nihilus?

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Old 04-15-2006, 10:00 PM   #44
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You people are dwelling too much on a thing you've already acertained - Nihilus was a human male to a certain point in his life when he became something more (or less, if you want to look at it that way). The real question is WHO is Darth Nihilus, or if you will - WHO WAS DARTH NIHILUS before he became Darth Nihilus?
Your right ... that why i made that tread to learn more about him , anything , information you guys can get your welcome to show them .

Official information please.

or if you make theory then come with strong proof of what your saying and no wer not dueling .

Bah not me , iam open to everything , i jsut want to understand him more (nihilus) .

But who nihilus was , i dont realy think we will ever know . maybe if they make a comic's about him .
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Old 04-15-2006, 11:32 PM   #45
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^^^^^^
I thought he was a fallen jedi or soldier from the Mandalorian Wars trained by Kreia at the Trayus Academy.



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Old 04-15-2006, 11:39 PM   #46
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I thought he was a fallen jedi or soldier from the Mandalorian Wars trained by Kreia at the Trayus Academy.
yeah nice idea's , but maybe he hes a mandalorian's (human form) .

Cause they said that ship was at Malachor V , i realy dont think he was a fallen jedi i dont think was with the republic , but who know ,maybe hes another fallen jedi .

About hes trained by Kreia we cant prove it . with solid proof . He can be a teacher to if you notice how many jedi's and sith trooper nihilus have in hes command. and also dont forget visas whos more hes slave than her teacher.

Sion have many sith assasin's in hes command.

But you have some good idea.
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Old 04-16-2006, 12:11 AM   #47
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the exile is a wound in the force cause of the echoes is making in the force every action he make make huge echoes. this actions influence ppl is in contact.
The exile is a "void" in the force. When Nihilus tries to leech him, it's like opening a soda can and taking a sip, only it's filled with sand. Nihilus is weakened be this and the exile kills him.

And the character Mandalore is not an alien: he's a man.

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Because Mandalore is Canderous from KotOR 1


Also, when Kreia and Visas refer to Nihilus as a "beast", they aren't being literal. "Beast" is a metaphor for a very powerful individual.

As for his language, the only reason he doesn't use subtitles is because the character probably isn't meant to understand it. It isn't like the Exile knows every language in the galaxy: the one Nihilus speaks is most likely some ancient variation of the Sith language (like the ones spoken by the holocrons). If I go to Germany and not understand anything anyone says, it doesn't make them nonhuman. That, and Kreia refers to him as being a man multiple times.

As to where he first came from, there really isn't any info. We know he originated at the Trayus Academy along with Sion, but where he was before then is a mystery.

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About hes trained by Kreia we cant prove it . with solid proof . He can be a teacher to if you notice how many jedi's and sith trooper nihilus have in hes command. and also dont forget visas whos more hes slave than her teacher.
That's true. It's likely that he studied under her for a time, just because he was present when she was cast down, but we can't solidly proove either way if he was a definite apprentice of hers.

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Old 04-16-2006, 12:24 AM   #48
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Skye ????...

please read post i did before , i said my self that Nihilus was human if you take time to look the screenshot i post you saw hes Hand (human hand , or Mandalorian human form)
(iam not talking about ordo , the mandalore before him wasnt human)
Cause btw mandalorian are not human i have prove it whith the screenshot's .
http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?im...alorian3yz.jpg

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The exile is a "void" in the force. When Nihilus tries to leech him, it's like opening a soda can and taking a sip, only it's filled with sand. Nihilus is weakened be this and the exile kills him.

hum, ok what ever , i realy dont think the game lie . iam not going to argue with you anymore lol.

What if i bring the ingame screenshot , you will make another False theory ? why ? cause you cant admit that Nihilus cant kill darksider's with hes feeding ability ?? .
He cant end of story. proof ? kotor 2 TSL .
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Old 04-16-2006, 12:47 AM   #49
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(iam not talking about ordo , the mandalore before him wasnt human)
I thought you were refering to the current Mandalore. Sorry for the mix up.

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hum, ok what ever , i realy dont think the game lie . iam not going to argue with you anymore lol.

What if i bring the ingame screenshot , you will make another False theory ? why ? cause you cant admit that Nihilus cant kill darksider's with hes feeding ability ?? .
He cant end of story. proof ? kotor 2 TSL .
Huh? That tangent doesn't make a shread of sense. Please, by all means, "bring the ingame screenshot", because attempting to decode your incessant drivel is giving me a migraine.

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Old 04-16-2006, 12:49 AM   #50
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ok ill take screenshots of every option with nihilus ..
but gimmi sometime please iam working on my video.

i think i will force to work on it longer that i was expected.
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Old 04-16-2006, 02:22 AM   #51
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well, Nillie got weak feeding on LSM Exile too ...
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Old 04-16-2006, 06:58 AM   #52
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Like the other have said, Nihlius can't feed on the Exile, ds or ls, because he is a hole in the force. That is ingame. It dosent't matter if you ds or ls, it's still the force, and is that he is destroying. Like Kreia with the Jedi masters.
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Old 04-16-2006, 08:31 AM   #53
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Like the other have said, Nihlius can't feed on the Exile, ds or ls, because he is a hole in the force. That is ingame. It dosent't matter if you ds or ls, it's still the force, and is that he is destroying. Like Kreia with the Jedi masters.
Thank you. Much better than my Bad Burrito explaination.

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i realy dont think he was a fallen jedi i dont think was with the republic
Why not? The word "fallen" would tend to indicate that he turned, and it would also him gaining so much power so quickly if he was already trained as a Jedi.

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Old 04-17-2006, 01:40 AM   #54
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He also look to have a power to Banish someone from the force , like Nomi Sunrider did to Ulic Qel-Droma.
I don't remember that in the game. Is it cut content? If not, can you post a screenshot telling us that he can do that?
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hes ruthless , he have slave's and a strange way to corrupt hes enemy..
It's not that uncommon, back then every other guy invented a way to corrupt people.
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he want to face the exile but why ???
He wants to kill the Jedi, and the Exile is the 'last jedi'.
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have he been trained by kreia , i dont think so.
Maybe not at first, but he, along with Sion, was Kreia's student until he and Sion fought her.


Let's kill ourselves.
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Old 04-17-2006, 01:53 AM   #55
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I don't remember that in the game. Is it cut content? If not, can you post a screenshot telling us that he can do that?
The cutscene is "kriea fall" when nihilus force push kriea , right after she try to regain her light saber and she cant. She also says that "some force tecnique that is no defence againts."

It's not that uncommon, back then every other guy invented a way to corrupt people.

i was talking about hes slave in hes bridge area. Who look like more zombie than something els.

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Old 04-17-2006, 02:37 AM   #56
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you could try this for more info: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Nihilus



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Old 04-17-2006, 01:43 PM   #57
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The cutscene is "kriea fall" when nihilus force push kriea , right after she try to regain her light saber and she cant. She also says that "some force tecnique that is no defence againts."
Oh, I thought you meant something else when you said 'banished', instead of cut off from the force.
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It's not that uncommon, back then every other guy invented a way to corrupt people.
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i was talking about hes slave in hes bridge area. Who look like more zombie than something els.
It was a joke.


Let's kill ourselves.
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Old 04-18-2006, 04:34 PM   #58
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In any conflict of information between the comic books and the game, I'll take the game. No particular reason.

When you use 1st person with either Visas or Kriea, you can still tell the difference between the species.

The Mandalorians, like the Sith, while once most likely species specific, has become more a belief umbrella. It says this ingame at least once.

I'd tend to think of Nihilous' attempt to feed on Exile more along the lines of a diver running out of air finding a scuba tank, grabbing hold and taking a deep breath only to find the tank empty. Actually, this scene does more to lead me to believe the Exile really is a hole in the force than anything else in game. I actually like the bad burrito analogy much better because it allows me to cling to my faint hope that the Exile is still connected, but with a strange new type of connection that the old practitioners can't recognize (or, in Nihilous' case, metabolize)

There is nothing in game (that I can find) that ascribes a Nihilous type hunger to the Exile.

There were far more ships at the final battle of Malachor V than just Mandalorian vessels. You find 4 buried republic vessels just wandering around, f'cryinoutloud!

Although the language Nihilous speaks is quite obviously the sith of the old holocrons, there are several comments in the game that lead me strongly to believe that Nihilous, far from being a teacher or master, has become a mostly mindless force of pure hunger. Visas tells you while on the Ravager that he probably doesn't even know you're onboard because you aren't a large enough morsel to catch his attention. This seems to indicate that the minions have been bound by some method other than a student/master relationship, although the writers don't explain what that might be.

Frankly, the whole Nihilous arc fails to make any comprehensive sense to me. There are contradictions in actions/motives/methods that just can't easily be made to co-exist.
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Old 04-18-2006, 05:12 PM   #59
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Frankly, the whole Nihilous arc fails to make any comprehensive sense to me. There are contradictions in actions/motives/methods that just can't easily be made to co-exist.
Can you give some examples? I'm curious what you found contradictory (from an informational standpoint, not an argumentative one ).

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Old 04-18-2006, 05:21 PM   #60
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I actually like the bad burrito analogy much better because it allows me to cling to my faint hope that the Exile is still connected, but with a strange new type of connection that the old practitioners can't recognize (or, in Nihilous' case, metabolize)
Want to hear an interesting theory I read somewhere? Bear with me this deals with midi clorians (or whatever those things are called).

The Exile is severed/cut/deafened whatever you want to call it, from the Force, however she can still use it because she can "hear" the Force (midi clorians) in others (Atton, Kreia, Bao etc.). Kreia says when you escape Peragus: "Perhaps you can hear the Force again... distantly, through me."


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Old 04-18-2006, 05:51 PM   #61
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AH! That ties with the whole natural leader thing. The natural leader story being throughought the game and that would help the Exile hear the Force through others, seeing as he bonds so easily.
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:37 PM   #62
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Can you give some examples? I'm curious what you found contradictory (from an informational standpoint, not an argumentative one ).
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He can scour a planet clear of ALL life, nothing left but barren rock, but then chokes on an obviously living exile because of a mild force deficiency. Both Kriea and Visas tell you that Nihilous can consume life, although it isn't as sustaining as sucking on force sensitives.

He is supposed to be this great walking hunger that doesn't notice anything smaller than, say Citidel station, and doesn't even recognize THAT as anything more than "food". And yet, he grants an audience to Tobin, and preserves Visas.

He is, presumably behind the rebellion on Onderon. Why bother? What does he care? G0-T0 tells us that Onderon's leaving the republic will be detrimental to said republic, but why should Nihilous care so long as it's tasty? The Republic isn't supposed to mean anything to him at all beyond a feeding ground.

The Ravager is supposedly not space-worthy except by Nihilous' will keeping minimal life support going. So why, after he's dead, doesn't the atmosphere escape out the great rents in the hull? You should need a space suit to get back to your shuttle.

If he could suck the life out of Kataar before the Jedi knew what was happening, it argues an ability viable over a distance; so why does he need to invade Citadel station? Why send landing craft at all? Why not just swoop by in the old "drop top" Ravager, deploy a metaphysical straw in the general direction of Telos and suck?
For that matter, why wait until somebody comes along and says, "hey, I know of this snack bar where jedi are the special of the day". If he can feel the force with sufficent finesse to detect the Exile by his/her echo, why can't he feel the jedi who aren't likewise wounded? And if Nar Shadda (for instance) is so rife with the force that it can shield a jedi's essence, why wouldn't it be sufficiently rife with the force to attract Nihilous like a giant neon "all you can eat buffet" sign?

Just for instance......
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Old 04-19-2006, 05:01 AM   #63
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Nihilus doesn't want the station. Tobin tells him that the Jedi are on Telos. Telos is not Citadel Station... he invades the station because otherwise they would attack him. Atris is the only one on Telos, and his hunger sucks him in. Kreia knew that would happen.
And the Ravager does have a containment shield, Nihilus didn't keep the atmosphere in.

And the Jedi on Katarr knew what was happening. Visas said that they knew, but couldn't do anything about it...
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Just started another runthrough, this time with notes and screencaps. I could be wrong, but we'll see....
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Old 10-01-2006, 07:30 PM   #65
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Hmmm he could be a force unknown to anyone. I mean if he feeds off the force and can destroy whole worlds through it, he can't be anything we can imagine. He maybe the force himself, although a more corrupt version of it. Or possibly a sith that died but has come back in that form.

I don't know really, if i was the exile i would have a sneak peak at him under his mask to make sure :P
Kreia says he is no longer a man, he is a hunger that grows with time. He seeks to destroy all life in the universe to create dead silence in the force, and in that silence, order. Kreia also says he is already dead, he just hasn't fallen yet, and he intends to take as many with him as he can into death. I don't think Kreia trained Nihilus, but she did train Revan while she was a Jedi, and was banished from the Jedi Order for training him in such a way as to allow him/her to fall to the dark side and become a Sith Lord. Kreia did train Darth Scion (the fall of Kreia cutscene and the cutscene on the harbinger when he's trying to see Kreia he mentions that she was his master). Theres not much about Nihilus, and I'm skeptical that he's dead. There was no body, he simply vanished into a puff of red smoke. I think it is intended that his character be developed more in the next sequel, and perhaps he will return stronger than he was this time. My thinking is that Nihilus was caught off guard by the Exiles personal strength and resolve, force aside, he realized he may not survive the confrontation with the Exile, and he used some crazy force trick to make a quick exit before he was killed. I'd bet he returns to some degree in the third KOTOR game or maybe later, as will Revan. We can only hope :O)
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