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Old 05-13-2006, 01:54 PM   #1
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Who is the big boss?

I think that there should be more to the final boss than it just being a sith with an apprentice. Something more like two different siths working separately with their own apprentices, and maybe a republic soldier who is secretly working for one of them feeding information. What do you think it should be?


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Old 05-13-2006, 02:03 PM   #2
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I think I already said this somewhere, but here it goes again:

I think the K3 final boss should be a very dark and mysterious non human Sith Lord. I think he should be very powerful in the Force, so powerful that he rarely uses his lightsaber, since he can throw his enemies across the room with only a lift of a finger. He should be dressed in a red hooded robe with some black torso armor, the hood completely covering his face, so you can't see what he looks like, you can only hear his dark deep voice coming from the darkness of the hood. As for the voice, he should either speak basic, or speak some ancient unintelligible language and have a slimy human advisor at his side, who also serves as his interpreter.


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Old 05-13-2006, 04:23 PM   #3
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And you should be able to team up with Revan and the Exile for a final, epic battle against him. Maybe with the party members watching.


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I'd rather be Revan and fight him, whether it's to save the galaxy, or to take the Sith throne.

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I'd rather be Revan and fight him, whether it's to save the galaxy, or to take the Sith throne.
Oh,that's so KOTORistic.But i really like your idea of the mysterious non human Sith Lord.
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Old 05-13-2006, 06:33 PM   #6
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Thanks. One of these days I might post a picture of him (I'll have to draw it first).

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Old 05-13-2006, 07:14 PM   #7
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I like the idea, and perhaps he is from out of the galaxy as well?

I'm just curious to learn of the galaxies outside of the one we've grown so accustomed to.

Perhaps he could be like the Strongest Sith Lord of a different galaxy (Or the strongest of all the Universe, somthing to this effect), here to claim his next.

Just a thought.
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He is a member of a species long since forgotten and is extremely powerful in the force (Here you can read my K3 storyline version if you want to know more about where he and his followers are located).

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I think I already said this somewhere, but here it goes again:

I think the K3 final boss should be a very dark and mysterious non human Sith Lord. I think he should be very powerful in the Force, so powerful that he rarely uses his lightsaber, since he can throw his enemies across the room with only a lift of a finger. He should be dressed in a red hooded robe with some black torso armor, the hood completely covering his face, so you can't see what he looks like, you can only hear his dark deep voice coming from the darkness of the hood. As for the voice, he should either speak basic, or speak some ancient unintelligible language and have a slimy human advisor at his side, who also serves as his interpreter.
Wow, you really put a lot of thought into this.


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Old 05-13-2006, 09:17 PM   #10
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I think that the whole plot should be misleading. Like there is this big bad antagonist that is destroying everything (or something evil) and it turns out he has a higher up that is even worse.

P.S. Both the words Jedi and Sith are singular and plural. Meaning you only would say Jedis and Siths if you are Chiss.


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Old 05-13-2006, 10:17 PM   #11
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One thing that fools will never understand is that only a weakling lets the darkness control him. A mix of light and darkness is a powerful thing. Volatile, yes, but also unexpected, and thus even more dangerous.
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Old 05-14-2006, 04:54 AM   #12
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I think the ending Boss should be someone like Sidious. A manipulator. Be like Kreia, except less obvious.
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Old 05-14-2006, 05:35 AM   #13
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I think I already said this somewhere, but here it goes again:

I think the K3 final boss should be a very dark and mysterious non human Sith Lord. I think he should be very powerful in the Force, so powerful that he rarely uses his lightsaber, since he can throw his enemies across the room with only a lift of a finger. He should be dressed in a red hooded robe with some black torso armor, the hood completely covering his face, so you can't see what he looks like, you can only hear his dark deep voice coming from the darkness of the hood. As for the voice, he should either speak basic, or speak some ancient unintelligible language and have a slimy human advisor at his side, who also serves as his interpreter.
Was Bane around during this time? Or am I getting my Era's mixed up. If I'm not...erm...what about Bane?


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Old 05-14-2006, 08:45 AM   #14
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Like I've said before, I'd like the final fight to include 2 major villains; villains who's gender is decided by yours. Think of the multiple ending options:

1. You kill them both
2. You tell A you love them, and you both kill B
3. You turn B to the light side, and you both kill A
4. You tell B you love them, B says its too late, you kill both
5. You try to turn A, A rejects, you kill them both
6. You lie to A that you love them, both kill B, then you kill A
7. You turn B to the light side, both kill A, then you kill B
8. You say you love them both, they fight (A wins if your DS, B wins if your LS)
9. You say you love them both, they fight, you kill survivor A
10. You say you love them both, they fight, you kill survivor B
11. You try to turn them both, A rejects it, murders B, you kill A

One could be a sith guy (A), the other a dissilusioned or fallen republic guy(B). Hmm... and maybe fight that big true sith creature mentioned above afterwards

I alos want the final area to be more star forge and less malachor. I dont want to be alone the whole time, and I want to feel more constantly tested. TSL was waay to easy.
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Old 05-14-2006, 01:40 PM   #15
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Was Bane around during this time? Or am I getting my Era's mixed up. If I'm not...erm...what about Bane?
I'm not sure, but I think he wasn't around in this Era.

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Old 05-14-2006, 04:33 PM   #16
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Was Bane around during this time? Or am I getting my Era's mixed up. If I'm not...erm...what about Bane?
Bane comes into it about 3,000 years after KotOR, a millenia before the movies, he was the last of the old Sith lords and when he was defeated and he himself had destroyed the remaining Sith he devised the rule of two and the Sith remained hidden until Darth Sidious and Maul.



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Old 05-14-2006, 05:29 PM   #17
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Bane comes into it about 3,000 years after KotOR, a millenia before the movies, he was the last of the old Sith lords and when he was defeated and he himself had destroyed the remaining Sith he devised the rule of two and the Sith remained hidden until Darth Sidious and Maul.
Look at that. My hunch was right!

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Old 05-14-2006, 05:46 PM   #18
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I'm not going to speculate too much on the final villain, since it's almost guaranteed that when the real thing comes along it's going to be totally different. However, I really want to fight against Revan at some point in KotOR III. And/Or the Exile.

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Old 05-14-2006, 06:35 PM   #19
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While I really dig igyman's description of his ideal Sith Lord boss battle, I have to disagree with him. TSL tried to make Nihilus all evil and mysterious, and it was met with mixed results.

The problem is how involved that villian is with the plot, and with the hero. It's not enough that the boss is evil and wants to rule/destroy/put Visas in a dancer suit, the conflict has to be personal.

Take for example Darth Malak; I think everyone can agree that what made him such a great villian wasn't his intimidating size, appearance, or power, it was the fact that he was your former apprentice. He betrayed you, almost killed you, and took the title of Sith Lord from you.

Nihilus on the other hand controlled near God-like powers, he was the very embodiment of evil and death and corruption, and he came very close to destroying the entire universe. But he's just not as memorable as Malak because he had almost nothing to do with the Exile, in fact he barely even realized you existed until you were charging on his bridge.

Developing the nemesis of a game is essential, and no question that the powers and look of a boss is of extreme importance. But character development is even more important than what color robes he wears, or how much Force lightning he can shoot.
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Old 05-15-2006, 04:45 AM   #20
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Actually, the reason we know so little about Nihilus and the reason he wasn't the villain we expected him to be is this - cut content. We all know they've cut out the Droid Factory and a lot of other stuff and I'm pretty sure that further info about Nihilus is among them. Why? Because of an conversation option regarding the events on Katarr in the Rebuilt Enclave to which you get a partial answer and after which the conversation ends and the Masters are replaced with their corpses:




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Old 05-15-2006, 11:53 AM   #21
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I think the ending Boss should be someone like Sidious. A manipulator. Be like Kreia, except less obvious.
Yea, thats the kind of boss that sounds interesting, but maybe not as much as Sidious' likeness. Maybe like a comrade controlling someone you think is the mastermind behind the whole thing.


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Old 05-16-2006, 12:15 AM   #22
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so powerful that he rarely uses his lightsaber, since he can throw his enemies across the room with only a lift of a finger.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm no expert on star wars history but...

Wasn't the lightsaber an adaption from the Dark Jedi who turned sithy? I'd think the big sithy boss would be just some freak dude with lots of powers and is too good to have a weapon! =)
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Old 05-16-2006, 03:13 AM   #23
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The big boss is... the LA exec who decided that there isn't going to be the KOTOR 3.
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Old 05-16-2006, 04:46 AM   #24
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The big boss is... the LA exec who decided that there isn't going to be the KOTOR 3.


That's all I have to say about that!

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Old 05-16-2006, 09:13 AM   #25
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I've always been of the mind that KotOR should have two separate endings stemming from the same storyline. So, after a certain point, you go one way when aligned to the light and strive for a totally opposite agenda if you travel the darker path.

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For the jedi, a true test would be to survive being dropped in the middle of a battle between a dark sith lord and his over-achieving apprentice. Both trying to prove who's superior by destroying the jedi before them. All while being hunted and attacked by his countless, force resistant minions.

...and for the darker one, what better test for an emerging dark lord than to be thrust into a position to have to take on an entire council of jedi.

(IMO) It just sounds more realistic and fun if they have separate but appropriate agendas.


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Old 05-16-2006, 11:29 AM   #26
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Well oi think there should be 3 bosses but they arnt together.

So one of the the bosses is a jedi not a fallen jedi.

He wheres Plain jedi master robes & takes off the robes & only has his tunip on in battle & he has a normal green lightsaber. ( so basiclly a normal jedi)

Then for the other she is a woman with part robot in her like Darth Vader.

Also a Jedi with grey Robes onwith a blue lightsaber & one red.

So one for each side so Darkside, Lightside, & netreul!

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Old 05-17-2006, 10:35 AM   #27
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Ok first off, I'd like to point something out before I through in my "big boss" idea.
According to the Star Wars timeline >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars_timeline 2,000 BBY

* A rogue Jedi absconds from the order with a stolen Holocron and starts a new Sith Order that engages the Jedi for the next thousand years. The New Sith War begins, lasting for over a thousand years.
This is the earliest after TSL.

Ok now my idea. The rogue Jedi is the bad guy. The plot would be that after a galactic
riot, and numerous deaths in Jedi, that a rogue Jedi (unknown by everyone, due to the
deaths) steals a holocron and secretly over throughs the chancelor. The rogue becomes an unseen ruler and creates a civil war with in the republic. The rogue Jedi trains 4 apprentices to control the four corners of the galaxy. (Remember, Darth Bane does not exist yet so there can be way more than 2 Sith at a time). As the main character fights his/her way to the rogue Jedi and deffeating the other sith, the rogue Jedi is never seen during the whole game; only his/her voice is heard. When the main character finaly meets the rogue and battles with him/her, the rogues identity is still hidden by robe and cloak. Then after the rogue Jedi is deffeated his/her identity is revealed to be a familiar character from K1 or K2. At this time the rogue, before his/her
death, claims to be the apprentice of the true Dark lord of the Sith. Which this will end the game with a view of the Dark lord of the Sith and his/her new Sith Order.

So basicly the boss would be an unseen nemisis.

Sorry for the long-winded description. Just trying to explain the boss' characteristics.


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Old 05-17-2006, 04:25 PM   #28
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i would like someone who is like a ragnos with big horns and so powerful in the force that he can move the galaxy and change like gravity and stuff
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I wholeheartedly support the idea of a non human extremely powerful Sith Lord, but to move the galaxy and change gravity??

P.S. Why must he have horns?

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i would like someone who is like a ragnos with big horns and so powerful in the force that he can move the galaxy and change like gravity and stuff
Please no! Can't we just have a "normal guy" for once? No horns, no mask, no scars, no tattoos, no red or yellow eyes, no metal jaw/limbs/bodyparts, no 7.x ft guy with a back as wide as an oakwood wardrobe, no one who is unable to die, no new superspecial powers like draining life from an entire planet - on the surface a civilized 50 years old guy who doesn't look like much, who can rip a rancors leg out with his bare hands, if he gets angry but mostly uses a brain that is smart enough that just the idea to play chess against him makes Kasparov wet his pants. The one looking like a bruiser can be his apprentice.
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WTF? Why on earth would they do something like that?

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Personally, I would rather have an enemy like Malak. A powerful (somewhat normal looking) Sith who rules by fear and brutality is the best kind in my opinion. I didn't like Nihilus because I am not a big fan of "god like" powers. It's not the size that counts, it's how you use it.



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Old 05-18-2006, 10:12 PM   #33
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Well, I hope that any new bosses will have realistic character builds, instead of just having a regular class souped up with absurd stat bonuses.


One thing that fools will never understand is that only a weakling lets the darkness control him. A mix of light and darkness is a powerful thing. Volatile, yes, but also unexpected, and thus even more dangerous.
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Old 05-19-2006, 05:09 AM   #34
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Who cares who the next boss is... How can you top a Mandalorian Sith? *rolls eyes*
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Easily, just look above at my boss description.

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Old 05-19-2006, 07:43 AM   #36
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A sith with a special weapon: a rocket launcer, that shoots chainsaws, that explore.
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Old 05-19-2006, 08:12 AM   #37
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How about a Mandalorian Sith riding a rancor Sith? :P


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lol i would like a guy like ragnos coz i like his horns lol
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Old 05-19-2006, 01:32 PM   #39
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Who cares who the next boss is... How can you top a Mandalorian Sith? *rolls eyes*
With a Space Zombie Ninja Nazi Demon Pirate Captain who can use the Force?

This is one of things I'd rather let the devs decide, although Darth Manus does make a really good point.


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I wonder if they're going to throw in a new version of the dancedancemalak ending...


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