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Old 06-26-2006, 11:23 PM   #1
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Would you buy Knights of the New Republic?

After the KOTOR series ends, or as a seperate series: would you buy a KOTOR type game set in the new republic? (assuming it doesn't take any production time away from KOTOR and it is of comparable quality to KOTOR)

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Old 06-26-2006, 11:30 PM   #2
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Not if it has anything to do with the Yuzhan Vong. If they're even mentioned once, I would snap the disc in half. But my thoughts on that matter have been made clear many times.

I myself am prejudiced against the post RotJ EU. What with the cloning of Palpatine, the invention of this 'Sun Crusher', and 'Centerpoint Station', or whatever the hell it's called, I just despise it. The final straw was when they killed my favourite Wookie. I can never forgive them for that...
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Old 06-26-2006, 11:36 PM   #3
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It should be set after the Vong war, after 100ABY
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Old 06-26-2006, 11:38 PM   #4
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Hey Doc what's your beef with the Vong? Anyways, probably. I need something to consume my time.


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if its long after all the known characters are dead and is a whole new story line then sure


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Maybe, I'd have to read some reviews first.


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Old 06-27-2006, 01:18 AM   #7
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Maybe, I'd have to read some reviews first.
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Old 06-27-2006, 01:26 AM   #8
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Kotnr, eh?
Sure, I'd buy it. So long as it's a good game that lives up to the original Kotor.
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Old 06-27-2006, 01:46 AM   #9
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Maybe, I'd have to read some reviews first.
Assuming the game is of a comparable quality, about as good as KOTOR
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Old 06-27-2006, 05:56 AM   #10
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Not if it has anything to do with the Yuzhan Vong. If they're even mentioned once, I would snap the disc in half. But my thoughts on that matter have been made clear many times.

I myself am prejudiced against the post RotJ EU. What with the cloning of Palpatine, the invention of this 'Sun Crusher', and 'Centerpoint Station', or whatever the hell it's called, I just despise it. The final straw was when they killed my favourite Wookie. I can never forgive them for that...
I have to agree, the post Rotj EU is extremely lame. The Yuuzhan Vong pretty much destroy every planet that's been featured in the movies and they wiped out Nar Shaddaa. You can't wipe out Nar Shaddaa. No one can. It's mine.


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Old 06-27-2006, 07:43 AM   #11
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The Vong sucked, IMO. to hell with the as***** who came up with them, especially the guy who killed Chewie.

anyway, if it features Dash Rendar and is around the earlier books time period, i may give it a shot


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Old 06-27-2006, 09:07 AM   #12
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I'm not really thrilled with SW games that feature the charachters from Ep IV to EpVI, especially if the voice overs aren't done by actors who played them in the movies (ex:Luke in Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy), so if there ever gets to be a KoTNR, I'd buy it if the story is set during the Yuuzhan Vong occupation of Coruscant, or if it's a few thousand years after that, in a completely new era with completely new characters.

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Old 06-27-2006, 11:35 AM   #13
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The issue with doing a game in the New Republic timeframe is that there is less freedom to create an original galaxy-spanning story that doesn't trample all over existing continuity. That is why the KOTOR timeframe was originally chosen.

The other "issues" with that and the NJO era are that there really aren't that many lightsaber wielding opponants (Sith or otherwise) running around to act as protagonists. Let's face it, KOTOR is popular because of Jedi fighting Sith. They could go with something like the Reborn from Jedi Outcast, but since the game would be on a larger scale story-wise than JO/JA that plot device doesn't work as well. In the NJO the Vong are a contoversial subject with fans and a large deviation from what the average fan (i.e. movies only) is familiar with. I would say that the NJO is the one era in Star Wars that would cause some fans to potentially not buy the game because of their hatred of the Vong as characters. Plus, having enemies that aren't directly affected by Force powers wouldn't be much fun.

If they were to do a post-ROTJ game, I would suggest that they push it out to the new Legacy era (140 years ABY). I'd say that currently it has by far the most potential:
  • The player could be a member of three potential Force-sensitive groups: the Sith, the Jedi, and the Imperial Knights.
  • Each faction is quite different and runs the range of how people might like to play good/evil-wise.
  • Lots of members of each running around, so plenty of opportunities for lightsaber battles.
  • Precedent set for Force-sensitives leaving the Jedi Order and becoming pirates/smugglers/etc.
  • Sith appear to have the purpose of bringing a strong order to the galaxy, and aren't just of the bully variety.
  • A wide range of Sith types.
  • Continuity is pretty much wide open, with a familiar (jedi and sith, star destroyers, x-wings, etc.) yet different (Republic replaced by the empire, new faction of jedi, etc.) galactic landscape.

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Old 06-27-2006, 12:21 PM   #14
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I could go for a story in that era. I don't think I want to see it in the same era as Luke/Han/Leia etc.


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Old 06-27-2006, 12:41 PM   #15
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Buying Kotor III

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The issue with doing a game in the New Republic timeframe is that there is less freedom to create an original galaxy-spanning story that doesn't trample all over existing continuity. That is why the KOTOR timeframe was originally chosen.

The other "issues" with that and the NJO era are that there really aren't that many lightsaber wielding opponants (Sith or otherwise) running around to act as protagonists. Let's face it, KOTOR is popular because of Jedi fighting Sith. They could go with something like the Reborn from Jedi Outcast, but since the game would be on a larger scale story-wise than JO/JA that plot device doesn't work as well. In the NJO the Vong are a contoversial subject with fans and a large deviation from what the average fan (i.e. movies only) is familiar with. I would say that the NJO is the one era in Star Wars that would cause some fans to potentially not buy the game because of their hatred of the Vong as characters. Plus, having enemies that aren't directly affected by Force powers wouldn't be much fun.

If they were to do a post-ROTJ game, I would suggest that they push it out to the new Legacy era (140 years ABY). I'd say that currently it has by far the most potential:
  • The player could be a member of three potential Force-sensitive groups: the Sith, the Jedi, and the Imperial Knights.
  • Each faction is quite different and runs the range of how people might like to play good/evil-wise.
  • Lots of members of each running around, so plenty of opportunities for lightsaber battles.
  • Precedent set for Force-sensitives leaving the Jedi Order and becoming pirates/smugglers/etc.
  • Sith appear to have the purpose of bringing a strong order to the galaxy, and aren't just of the bully variety.
  • A wide range of Sith types.
  • Continuity is pretty much wide open, with a familiar (jedi and sith, star destroyers, x-wings, etc.) yet different (Republic replaced by the empire, new faction of jedi, etc.) galactic landscape.
Here's How I see it. If they produce a KOTOR III, I would buy it. The first one was awesome with a few minor disappointments. The second game was an awesome minus. It was an improvement in the execution or the game but the storyline was not as strong as the first. On a scale of 1 to 10, KOTOR I was a 9.5, KOTOR II was an 8.5. KOTOR III would have to fall below a 7 for me to be disappointed. If the use the same engine as II uses, then their storyline is the only thing that would drive the game down. I wish that they would restore the Lightsaber centerpiece crystals like Mantal of the Force or others. Just my two sense.
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Old 06-27-2006, 01:19 PM   #16
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Hey Doc what's your beef with the Vong? Anyways, probably. I need something to consume my time.
What's my beef with the Vong? I just hate them. I don't know why. There is no good reason, really. They're just retarded, in my opinion.
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Old 06-27-2006, 01:23 PM   #17
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What's my beef with the Vong? I just hate them. I don't know why. There is no good reason, really. They're just retarded, in my opinion.
You seem to think many things are retarded. Anyway, I've never read much of the EU books, except for several of them. Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter being the best of them.
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Old 06-27-2006, 03:15 PM   #18
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Hurrah for Prime's idea!

As a side-note, a game based around the Thrawn Trilogy would be good. Not necessarily starring Luke or Leia (since they both spend quite some time doing nothing in the books), but it would be nice, nonetheless.



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Old 06-27-2006, 03:31 PM   #19
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It should be set after the Vong war, after 100ABY
then it woulnt be the New Republic it'd be Knights of the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances, which doesnt sound too good.


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Hurrah for Prime's idea!

As a side-note, a game based around the Thrawn Trilogy would be good. Not necessarily starring Luke or Leia (since they both spend quite some time doing nothing in the books), but it would be nice, nonetheless.
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What's my beef with the Vong? I just hate them. I don't know why. There is no good reason, really. They're just retarded, in my opinion.
They are a typical second villian. Oh lets make these guys immune to the powers of the jedi. It pretty much destroys all that people see in jedi and throws a few books out the window in terms of who the jedi are.


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Old 06-27-2006, 05:44 PM   #22
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I would buy a pre-NJO game. I never found interest in the NJO series. I heard too many things about the series, which I find a hard time to except.

Anyone think Chewbacca's death in the NJO was a bad move? I don't know what they were thinking.

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Old 06-27-2006, 10:21 PM   #23
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Hmmm...I voted 'Probably', but having read the posts I've changed my mind.

I would only purchase it if it was set in the early years of the NR. Like the Doc, I detest the Vong. As for Legacy, well I don't have high opinions of that either, particularly when you have factions using equipment that is well over a century old. Sure, you have upgrades but thats that stupid beyond belief.


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Old 06-28-2006, 08:22 AM   #24
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Not if it has anything to do with the Yuzhan Vong. If they're even mentioned once, I would snap the disc in half. But my thoughts on that matter have been made clear many times.

The final straw was when they killed my favourite Wookie. I can never forgive them for that...
Doctor, we have finally found a topic on which you and I are in 100% agreement.

I voraciously devoured all the EU books right up until I read the first Vong book. Since then, I haven't read a single one set post-RotJ. It's one thing to introduce a new species of bad guy, and it's another to arbitrarily wipe out half the planets that made Star Wars what it was. I go into a bookstore and I see, what, dozens of books now set in the Vong universe and I have zero interest in even reading the coverflaps. I'd definitely need to read some reviews of KotNR before it'd even come near my hard drive.


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Old 06-28-2006, 08:44 AM   #25
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I would prefer the old Republic just because it is so "new" compared to the other 2 time frames we've seen(Republic and Empire era) But ultimately it would depend on the story and what stuff you could do.

Oh, and the Yuuzhan Vong wouldn't be half bad considering they were able to beat the New Republic back like the Empire was, and it made the Jedi vulnerable again..

And I assume you broke your Knights 1 cd(The Doctor) because Canderous talks about them when you ask about his war stories. He speaks of a asteroid field were they fire at some balls of ice and melt it and it speeded up and flew away. Also that is shot plasma that melted their armour and set off beyond the edge of the galaxy, he even mentioned that they looked like their ships.

Kinda strange that they were mentioned since they were not known to have visisted the galaxy until the Republic era, probably just got filed as a looney with a death wish hehe
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Old 06-28-2006, 10:44 AM   #26
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I would NOT get a Knights of the New Republic if it had ANYTHING to do with the NJO, Vong, or anything like that, because NJO SUCKS.


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Old 06-28-2006, 11:01 AM   #27
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then it woulnt be the New Republic it'd be Knights of the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances, which doesnt sound too good.
Actually, at that point I believe it would be Knights of the New Empire.

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I voted definetely Not. mostly because there is way too much untold about the Old Republic. Were talking 3000 years untold even once the current Kotor trilogy ends. While I have yet to read any of the SW books I have played enough of the games and dealt with the RPG enough that the only bad taste I get in my mouth about the Vong is there similarities too the "Aliens"(Aliens movies), the "Zerg"(Starcraft), and the "Tyranids"(Warhammer 40K). While I'll admit the largest difference between the Vong and the 3 I mentioned is appearance the principals are all the same. Prime's suggestion of 140ABY and later is good as once again were dealing with a unwritten universe.


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Old 06-28-2006, 09:35 PM   #29
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They are a typical second villian. Oh lets make these guys immune to the powers of the jedi. It pretty much destroys all that people see in jedi and throws a few books out the window in terms of who the jedi are.
I agree. The villain must always challenge the hero, but the Yuuzhon Vong use the cheapest, easiest, least imaginative method possible. They are also a thematic violation of Star Wars. In Star Wars, technology, particularly technology without morality, is depicted as the bad guy and weaker than the human spirit, represented by the Force, the Jedi and (I'm sorry to say) Ewoks. Droid troopers, Clone troopers and Vader's cybernetics all represent the corruption of technology.

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It doesn't matter how the Yuuzhon Vong tech works. In Star Wars, technology should never be superior to the Force.
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Hmph. How about Knights of the Galactic Alliance set during the Legacy comic book timeline. :P

Kotga rolls off the tongue better anyway. lol


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Anyway i think even if they were to make a post Rotj Kotor game, it would not be canon. When it comes to making movies, especially Revenge of the Sith and the 2004 DVD release of the original trilogy, George does'nt give a dam about all this rubbish about the Yuuzhan vong and all that. I think this was shown by placing the Jedi Temple in the Coruscant celebration scene in Rotj as previously in the "Expanded universe" i have read numerous references as to it was destroyed in the Clone Wars. Placing this in the scene CLEARLY shows that he has his own vision of what happened after Return of the Jedi and why would'nt luke want to use the old Jedi Temple to restart the Jedi instead preffering some old Massassi evil temple. This is why i tend to ignore most post EU carpyness.


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Old 06-30-2006, 10:33 AM   #32
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I would probably buy it and play it for whatever it'd be worth. I'd try to have some fun with it just because I need something to play.
You know, for novelty's sake.

However, Prime's idea, so far, seems the most attractive. There's a bit of structure but the door is left open for many opportunities to make chioces.

I could definately play in this era, or any other as long as it's not too parallel to the film saga.

...oh yeah, definately no Vong. I'm with Mace here, after the first Vong book, I promptly moved on.


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Old 06-30-2006, 11:08 AM   #33
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Hmph. How about Knights of the Galactic Alliance set during the Legacy comic book timeline. :P
As I said, because the GA will be defeated by that point.

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Old 06-30-2006, 06:00 PM   #34
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Why not? After all, KotOR was great, I think it would be worth it. Even if it has to do with the Vong, I think I could handle it. It really doesn't matter.

And as for the problems that some people have with playing anything with the Vong in it (like *cough* The Doctor *cough* ), JO and JA were both in that same New Republic era - and neither of them had anything to do with the Vong, Centerpoint station, the Sun Crusher.... whatever. Just the Imperial Remnant and some dark Jedi.
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Old 06-30-2006, 06:34 PM   #35
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...oh yeah, definately no Vong. I'm with Mace here, after the first Vong book, I promptly moved on.
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I wouldn't buy it. It would never be as good as KotOR, it would more than likely feature the Vong, because they are the only exciting part (and also the worst part) about the NJO that isn't a bunch of whiny teenage Jedi.
Part of what made KotOR great was that it was a whole new era of Star Wars, and KotNR wouldn't be, it would be crammed in along like the NJO and the Vong and would have to follow strict canonical guidelines, and would probably feature Kyle and Luke. And if they didn't want it to feature Luke and Kyle, then they would have to place KotNR in the tiny post-Vong, pre-Legacy slot on the Star Wars timeline, which would make a victory for the Jedi very hollow seeing as there is a new Sith Empire by 130ABY and would greatly limit the possibility of a sequel.
So no, I wouldn't but it because I find the whole NJO annoying, but it probably wouldn't be made because the NR and NJO have been almost completely documented, except for it's fall.



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Old 06-30-2006, 10:24 PM   #37
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If there was a KOTNR (for lack of a better name), it would have be set in a time where no other event has been written about, to allow an open ending. That's why is should be set after the Vong.
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But it wouldn't be an open ending, less than a hundred years after the game the Sith will rule the galaxy again, the whole NR timeline is just too full to fit a KotNR game.



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Old 07-01-2006, 10:16 AM   #39
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It would never be as good as KotOR, it would more than likely feature the Vong, because they are the only exciting part (and also the worst part) about the NJO that isn't a bunch of whiny teenage Jedi.
IMO, it is safe to say that Lucasarts will never make a game where the Vong are the focus. They are too unknown and different from what the casual fan (which is the vast majority) knows, and too controversial to the rest of the fanbase.

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I'm open to playing a SW RPG set in the time period after the Vong. I find Prime's concept interesting and would buy a game like that, whatever it's name would be.


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