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Old 09-20-2006, 05:33 PM   #1
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Mon Calamari Frigate

According to a thread the one of the Rebels new ships is a Mon Calamari Frigate. Whats the difference between that and the Cruiser?? Is the frigate larger and packs more fire power??



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Old 09-20-2006, 11:59 PM   #2
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We don't know--all we know is that the Rebels get a new "Mon Calamari frigate."

But based on the usual Star Wars nomenclature, I expect something about the size of the Nebulon-B or Assault Frigate...only Mon Calamari-ified. It's probably a Neb-B sized ship that's got more specialized weapons or abilities.


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Old 09-21-2006, 12:53 AM   #3
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The Mon Calimari Frigate is the last new unit that has yet to be revealed.

It may be an expensive alternative to the MK II frigate.


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Old 09-21-2006, 11:44 PM   #4
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My guess is it will be the MC-40 even if they don't call it that. You should get the rest from the name.
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Old 09-22-2006, 02:19 AM   #5
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My guess is it will be the MC-40 even if they don't call it that. You should get the rest from the name.
It is called the MC-30. One of the most powerful mid level ships in the game. It is a very very cool design. Torpid and I are very pleased with how this ship turned out.


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Old 09-22-2006, 07:31 AM   #6
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It is called the MC-30. One of the most powerful mid level ships in the game. It is a very very cool design. Torpid and I are very pleased with how this ship turned out.
Well that sounds good doesnt it?
hope its not just to overpowered tho.


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Old 09-22-2006, 03:25 PM   #7
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so if its a mid level ship, that means that its a rival for a victory??? or smaller maybe???
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Old 09-23-2006, 12:14 AM   #8
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Well that sounds good doesnt it?
hope its not just to overpowered tho.
The Empire gets the Super Star Destroyer so it's only fair that the Rebel Alliance gets a powerful new Mon Cal Cruiser.


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Old 09-23-2006, 08:52 AM   #9
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"Mid level"... that sounds like Tech 3. With both Assault Frigates and the MC 30 that means the Rebels will have a slight advantage in space for a while, at least until Tech 4 when the Empire (presumably) gets the Executor. Sounds like it'll be important to hit the Empire's Research Facility around this time.


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Old 09-23-2006, 03:40 PM   #10
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Indeed Anarch excellent observations. It seemes your quite the strategist. At any rate, I hope the B-wings are durable compared to the rest of the fighters. Then they'de be great to use against ISDs.
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Old 09-23-2006, 10:26 PM   #11
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Indeed Anarch excellent observations. It seemes your quite the strategist. At any rate, I hope the B-wings are durable compared to the rest of the fighters. Then they'de be great to use against ISDs.
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Old 09-24-2006, 07:53 AM   #12
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I wonder how many passes/number of B-wings required to take out one hardpoint on the SSD. I just have this image in my head of umpteen B-wings swarming the Executor like gnats around a water buffalo.


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Old 09-24-2006, 04:39 PM   #13
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I would think that it would take less time then the Y-wings since, B-wings are supposed to be stronger. That would mean it would be rather quick and not a bunch of gnats.
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Old 09-24-2006, 07:01 PM   #14
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Perhaps, but remember that the Executor has A LOT of hardpoints.


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Old 09-25-2006, 01:37 AM   #15
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I wonder how many passes/number of B-wings required to take out one hardpoint on the SSD. I just have this image in my head of umpteen B-wings swarming the Executor like gnats around a water buffalo.
I would imagine that the Executor will be quite difficult to take out with capital ships because of it's powerful shields so small fighters like B-wings and Y-wings are it's only weakness. Beating the Executor will require strategy, maybe attack with B-wings and Y-wings while using Mk II assault frigates and Nebulon B frigates to protect them from tartans. I'm sure everyone who buys this expansion will develope their own strategy for destroying the Executor.


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Old 09-25-2006, 03:17 AM   #16
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I would imagine that the Executor will be quite difficult to take out with capital ships because of it's powerful shields so small fighters like B-wings and Y-wings are it's only weakness. Beating the Executor will require strategy, maybe attack with B-wings and Y-wings while using Mk II assault frigates and Nebulon B frigates to protect them from tartans. I'm sure everyone who buys this expansion will develope their own strategy for destroying the Executor.
Don't forget the MC-30 in order to protect the fighters. That is after all the point of the topic! I hope that the MC-30, or another rebel frigate if the others are tweaked, is more effective at taking out tartans than in regular EaW - those guys stick around forever.

In terms of balance, same goes for the Empire - I hope corvettes in general are less capable of rapidly shredding fighter squadrons and taking fire from larger capital ships. More the case for the tartans though, TIEs are meant to be paper tigers.


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Old 09-25-2006, 11:56 AM   #17
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Don't forget the MC-30 in order to protect the fighters. That is after all the point of the topic! I hope that the MC-30, or another rebel frigate if the others are tweaked, is more effective at taking out tartans than in regular EaW - those guys stick around forever.

In terms of balance, same goes for the Empire - I hope corvettes in general are less capable of rapidly shredding fighter squadrons and taking fire from larger capital ships. More the case for the tartans though, TIEs are meant to be paper tigers.
Lol.

And my strat for destroying the Executor will be...... *watches Return of the Jedi* ah-ha! send my mon cals to lower the shields and send an A-wing into the bridge before they raise their shields again lol


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Old 09-26-2006, 04:14 PM   #18
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There's a screen shot of what I believe is the MC-30 here: http://pff.swrebellion.com/index.php?topic=3365.0

It's shown in the second picture, on the load screen for FoC. It looks like a smaller version of Home One, but with towers sticking straight out from both sides.


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Old 09-26-2006, 04:28 PM   #19
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yeah you could be right. Looks pretty strange actually


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Old 09-26-2006, 04:48 PM   #20
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If you mean the one in the middle of the shot then I am fairly certain that it is just an almost dead version of the one already in EaW...
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Old 09-27-2006, 02:29 PM   #21
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The ship in the center of the second pic is a normal mon cal cruiser. However, the MC-30 IS in that picture - it's in the upper-right of the screen. Kind of hard to see in that pic, but it's there


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Old 09-27-2006, 06:43 PM   #22
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Is it that long thing you see in profile?


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Old 09-27-2006, 09:21 PM   #23
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I've heard of some Mon Calamari Frigates before. Are these the Mon Calamari Frigates mentioned in other sources or are they something new?
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Old 09-28-2006, 10:07 AM   #24
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Im quite excited about that, i think that this new mon cal frigate will make rebellion fleets look alot more diverse. Plus im a big fan of the mon cals anyway, i was always surprisd why there wernt many more mon cal ships at the start.


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Old 09-28-2006, 02:13 PM   #25
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Is it that long thing you see in profile?
Yes, it's the long thin ship that looks like a silverfish And contrary to most of the frigates in the game, it is not purposed to be a corvette killer - it is fast and highly effective against large ships...


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Yes, it's the long thin ship that looks like a silverfish And contrary to most of the frigates in the game, it is not purposed to be a corvette killer - it is fast and highly effective against large ships...
You mean like, oh, I don't know... Super Star Destroyers?


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You mean like, oh, I don't know... Super Star Destroyers?
lol what is it with everyone and super star destroyers?


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Old 09-28-2006, 06:26 PM   #28
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How many hardpoints does the MC 30 have? I'll just take a wild guess and assume it will have 1 engine, 2 turbolasers and 2 ion cannons. I'm probably wrong though.


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Yes, it's the long thin ship that looks like a silverfish And contrary to most of the frigates in the game, it is not purposed to be a corvette killer - it is fast and highly effective against large ships...
Oh, ok. That seems like a fairly unique (and cool) ship, I wonder what its weaknesses are? Fast, powerful, good against capital ships, but a frigate. Bombers?

Also, since it's a Mon Cal it'll have pretty good shielding (I would imagine). Sounds like yet another unit that adds a bit more depth to EaW.


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How many hardpoints does the MC 30 have? I'll just take a wild guess and assume it will have 1 engine, 2 turbolasers and 2 ion cannons. I'm probably wrong though.
That's a pretty sensible loadout for a cap ship killer, but you might add to that list a torpedo tube. I'm also curious about its special ability...if it's not boost shields, it might be something fun like sensor jamming or some directed weapon against large ships, and probably has an associated hardpoint.


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Since it's a capital ship destroyer maybe it will have "boost weapon power." Think about it, a powerful Mon Cal ship with rapid firing turbolasers would be quite formidable, even for the Executor (assuming of course that there are 2 or 3 of them engaging the Executor).


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How many hardpoints does the MC 30 have? I'll just take a wild guess and assume it will have 1 engine, 2 turbolasers and 2 ion cannons. I'm probably wrong though.
Or what if the load out contained all proton torpedoes, 2 Turbo lasers and a Cluster Bomb special ability. In addition, what if it was equipped with one of the most powerful Mon Cal shielding systems in the fleet.

I'm just saying...


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Or what if the load out contained all proton torpedoes, 2 Turbo lasers and a Cluster Bomb special ability. In addition, what if it was equipped with one of the most powerful Mon Cal shielding systems in the fleet.

I'm just saying...
I don't know what's cooler, the fact that this ship sounds so cool or the fact that you used the StrongBad emoticon!

Will it have shield generator hard-points, or a redundant system like Slave I?



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Proton torpedoes + cluster bomb + powerful shields = swath of fiery destruction.


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Now that I like. The Rebels finally get a very focussed-role capital ship. The Mon Calamari Missile Destroyer, eh?


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thats all well and good, but top me its just not the rebels, i no im prob going to get flammed for this but any way, i just dont think its right for them to have a (in my opinion) super ship
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Also, since it's a Mon Cal it'll have pretty good shielding (I would imagine).
*rolls eyes* Mon Cal shielding isnt that great, the Empire has much more advanced and powerful shields. The Mon Calamari however, equip most of their ships with tons of redundant wiring and generators, so their shield generators dont give out as fast, allowing them to recharge their shields after they've been taken out, even if they've taken quite a bit of damage to their shield generator.



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Oh, ok. That seems like a fairly unique (and cool) ship, I wonder what its weaknesses are? Fast, powerful, good against capital ships, but a frigate. Bombers?

Also, since it's a Mon Cal it'll have pretty good shielding (I would imagine). Sounds like yet another unit that adds a bit more depth to EaW.
It has really powerful shields, but its armor is paper. Anything that can cut through shields can put it down pretty quickly. Larger ships that concentrate fire enough to get the shields down can destroy them easily, but they will take a pounding while they do it.

For the Empire, long range craft like the Broadside would be the best bet, followed by anything that can shoot torps at a distance. For the Consortium, Mass drivers like the Vengeance are the best bet, but you better have some crusaders with the point defense system running since Vengeance are highly succeptable to torps (most Consortium units work best in combinations).


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thats all well and good, but top me its just not the rebels, i no im prob going to get flammed for this but any way, i just dont think its right for them to have a (in my opinion) super ship
I don't think the MC 30 counts as a "super ship" by any meaning of the word. It is designed to take out lage mammoth ships, which reveals it's weakness. Tie Defenders and Bombers will easliy cripple the MC 30 by using proton torpedoes on the MC 30's torpedo hardpoints. Then the larger cruisers can move in closer to finish off the damaged cruiser without sustaining damage.

In Empire at War the Empire can send out 6 or 7 Victory cruisers with free fighters and bombers while the rebels are burdened with their fighters taking up the all important pop cap. Since the rebels have to bring in additional fighters manually the rebel player can only bring in 3 or 4 large cruisers while the rest of the pop cap is taken up by Y-wings and corvettes. Now Petroglyph has corrected this error by giving the rebel players a fighting chance in space with a new frigate that is designed to cripple large vessels and now offers an alternative to Y-wings and B-wings. I say good job Petroglyph for improving an already great game.


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This is pic of it.




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