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Old 11-28-2006, 01:07 PM   #1
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Kreia vs. Revan, Coolness contest?

Who can win in a coolness contest between the Main NPC in K1 (Revan, pre-wiped, is the one that FORMED the Sith Empire that Malak ended up stealing from him)...and the Main NPC in K2 (Kreia, Revan's teacher, and the Exile's instructor.) The reason is that there is a lot of people who like Revan, and believe him to be the best (which is why there is a tie in the Nihlius vs. Revan contest, even with no proof whatsoever that Revan could actually sustain the NihliusDrain).

But Kreia taught Revan, prehaps taught him everything he knew. And Kreia may be very interesting too, with being a great villian and completing some, if not all, of her goals.

This is the Coolness Contest, so which NPC do you prefer? Not, who will win in a fight. I'll vote Kreia because she is a somewhat awesome manlipuative old witch, and her motives seem more interesting. She may be old, but she gets what she wants, when she wants. One may like Revan because he's "your character", because you contorl him...but Kreia is interesting because you cannot contorl her. Revan is merely charaismatic, but not as compelling or fun as Kreia is.
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:37 PM   #2
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The fact that K can fight with force-formed lightsabers is cool. But other than that, she's just a manipulative old witch who isn't quite satisfied with her life. Trying to kill the force is just ridiculous- it's like trying to kill God himself. The fact that she resolves to kill the Force shows that she herself has relied too much on it and has little confidence in her own will. Though the Force has a will, people in the SW saga have their will too. There's always a choice. To resort to the killing of the Force is to lose faith in the will of her people. To me, she's just weak. How ironic that it's because of this weakness that she resolves to kill the Force, an act which make her seem stronger than others.

Revan, in contrast, believes in his own will, thus it's said that he's neither the servant of the light nor the dark. K said that he didn't Fall to the dark side; I believe he Volunteered to the dark side just so to confront the true enemy, the true sith. He has absolutely the idea of what's going on- his cause of action, his means and his destination. I'd say he's indeed a grey jedi, neither light nor dark. Though he's strong in the Force, he seems to be the one who's in charge of his own actions; aided, but not controlled by the Force. That makes a cooler character than K.
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Old 11-28-2006, 02:20 PM   #3
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I can teach someone to get a strike when bowling, but I can't necessarily do it myself. The old saying "those who can't do teach" may very well hold true here. I doubt Kreia herself had as much raw potential as Revan did. So in essence, she just helped him unlock what he already had. Just because she taught him everything he knows doesn't mean she was more powerful than him by any stretch, and if her performance in K2 is any indication I sincerely doubt she would hold a candle to Revan in a battle. And to be frankly honest, she's just not as interesting a character. Revan was far better developed and was simply an engaging character, whereas Kreia just tends to make you want to gouge your eyes out. And you thought Miraluka were born that way .

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Old 11-28-2006, 03:37 PM   #4
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Kreia did not teach Revan everything he knew. He had many teachers and was eager for knowledge from multiple sources. If you believe what Kreia actually says.


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Old 11-28-2006, 03:59 PM   #5
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My two cents on the subject. There is no doubt that Revan is by far the most powerful character of this era either as a Jedi and/or as a Sith. He is a one man army ready to demolish anyone that stands on his way. Apart from his powerful connection with the force, Revan is a knowledgeable man. Again and again during the games we are informed that Revan sought knowledge everywhere. He was willing to learn from anyone and he had many teachers. But the most prominent of his teachers was Kreia. Kreia as the librarian of the Jedi order was The Source of knowledge that Revan was seeking. What it means to be a Jedi and what it means to be a Sith is definitely Kreia's work.

In conclusion. Kreia is a powerful force user. Her greatest weapons are her mind and her vast knowledge. But Revan is the ultimate force user and the ultimate character. The only one who can defeat Revan is Revan himself.

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Old 11-28-2006, 08:49 PM   #6
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Kreia is cooler than Revan. Revan is overrated.


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Old 11-28-2006, 09:15 PM   #7
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Revan. kreia bugs me with her cryptic, slightly psychotic arrogance. Revan is cool. he commanded an entire army, others followed him without question. kreia has to be a manipulative witch to get the same results revan got naturaly. go revan!


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Old 11-28-2006, 09:22 PM   #8
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Kreia is a cooler than Revan. Revan is overrated.
Then may you have a slow painful death at the Hands of the Sith Lord himself..... oh wait thats me...... casts Force Choke
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Old 11-28-2006, 09:49 PM   #9
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Then may you have a slow painful death at the Hands of the Sith Lord himself..... oh wait thats me...... casts Force Choke
Damn it! I meant to say that Kreia is cooler than Revan, not Kreia is a cooler than Revan. I fixed it though.

Now, what to do with you:

*RevanSithMaster uses Force Choke on me to no avail. He doesn't understand that I am 'The Architect' of the Force. I use Force Armour so his choke attack proves useless against me. Stunned by his ineffective attack on the legend that is me, I Force Push him into a wall, knocking him unconscious.

I then walk towards his unconscious body, and whisper to the fool “Ha! Your feeble skills are no match for me, Sith Lord.”


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Old 11-28-2006, 09:54 PM   #10
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I am not that easy to beat....... Architect...... you will die, if not by my Force powers then by my Double-Bladed Red Lightsaber.......

anyway, I'm stopping now... this kinda thing needs to be in the Dantooine Theater

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Old 11-29-2006, 02:38 AM   #11
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Erm...this is just ridiculous.
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Old 11-29-2006, 06:23 PM   #12
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Ya, you two DO realize this thread is about kreia and revan, right? not various ways to fictionally harm eachother? grow up please. up. not down to taunting. up. that's right. up.^


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Old 11-29-2006, 07:22 PM   #13
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Hmm, difficult. But I have to go with Kreia - she's a far more developed character, since Revan has to be "open" enough for people to play their own perceptions into him. But he does have potential to be very cool. He gains no coolness for what Revan-fanboys apply to him, though. Nor should he.


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Old 11-29-2006, 07:29 PM   #14
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not various ways to fictionally harm eachother?
Who's being fictional?

Anyway yeah we know but I had to get him back for saying Kriea was
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Old 11-29-2006, 08:15 PM   #15
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Kreia did not teach Revan everything he knew. He had many teachers and was eager for knowledge from multiple sources. If you believe what Kreia actually says.
Disciple: "Many of the Jedi Council trained Exar Kun, Ulic... Revan and Malak. How could they not see the danger they posed? And if they could not......perhaps there was some essential part of their teachings that was flawed. Something beyond the Jedi Code that they were missing. Revan had many Masters. Zhar, Dorak, Master Kae before Kae left for the Wars. Towards the end of his training, he sought out many to learn techniques.It is said that he returned to his first master at the end of his training, in order to learn how he might best leave the order."

So you don't have to believe Kreia... which is always a relief


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Old 11-29-2006, 08:55 PM   #16
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My two cents on the subject. There is no doubt that Revan is by far the most powerful character of this era either as a Jedi and/or as a Sith. He is a one man army ready to demolish anyone that stands on his way. Apart from his powerful connection with the force, Revan is a knowledgeable man. Again and again during the games we are informed that Revan sought knowledge everywhere. He was willing to learn from anyone and he had many teachers. But the most prominent of his teachers was Kreia. Kreia as the librarian of the Jedi order was The Source of knowledge that Revan was seeking. What it means to be a Jedi and what it means to be a Sith is definitely Kreia's work.

In conclusion. Kreia is a powerful force user. Her greatest weapons are her mind and her vast knowledge. But Revan is the ultimate force user and the ultimate character. The only one who can defeat Revan is Revan himself.

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I love this part


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Old 11-29-2006, 09:28 PM   #17
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as long as you don't kill obi wan, it's all good Revansithmaster. the architech on the other hand, shame on you! for what, i don't know. i'm sure you've done something evil. btw, your name confuses me. did you build the force? please unconfuse me. suppose as long as you know it's not real, it's alright. i've known people who...think star wars is real....they scare me. one was suicidal.


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Old 11-29-2006, 10:03 PM   #18
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as long as you don't kill obi wan, it's all good Revansithmaster. the architech on the other hand, shame on you! for what, i don't know. i'm sure you've done something evil. btw, your name confuses me. did you build the force? please unconfuse me. suppose as long as you know it's not real, it's alright. i've known people who...think star wars is real....they scare me. one was suicidal.
Who is this architech you speak of? Anyway, of course I know that Star Wars isn't real. I thought that was pretty obvious. By the way, my name 'The Architect' actually refers to when I used to play soccer.

I used to be 'The Architect' of my team, the 'playmaker', the one with great tactical, control and creative skills. In soccer, when a wonderful team goal is scored, usually there is an 'Architect' behind that play. In this case, that 'Architect' of the team I used to play for was me.

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Erm...this is just ridiculous.
Meh, we're just joking. I'll stop now though. It only becomes ridiculous if it goes on and on.

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Ya, you two DO realize this thread is about kreia and revan, right? not various ways to fictionally harm eachother? grow up please. up. not down to taunting. up. that's right. up.^
Ah come off it. I was just joking. As I've said, it only becomes ridiculous if it goes on and on. I've stopped now. Besides, did I or RevanSithMaster say that this thread was about various ways to fictionally harm each other?

In case you hadn't noticed, I posted something related to what the thread is about before my act of immaturity. Lighten up a bit. It's not as if we've done anything wrong or offensive. It was just a bit of harmless fun, that's all. Capish?


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Old 11-29-2006, 10:15 PM   #19
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as long as you don't kill obi wan, it's all good Revansithmaster. the architech on the other hand, shame on you! for what, i don't know. i'm sure you've done something evil. btw, your name confuses me. did you build the force? please unconfuse me. suppose as long as you know it's not real, it's alright. i've known people who...think star wars is real....they scare me. one was suicidal.
Yeah those people scare me too..... I can't believe they've actually made a religion out of it......
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Old 11-30-2006, 12:16 PM   #20
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Appearance: Revan's robe and mask look very cool to me. Kreia on the other hand is slightly uhm uncreative. An old woman in a standart robe. Wow. Very cool. Revan is cooler.

Character:
Kreia is a manipulative deceptive character who uses other people to accomplish her goals. Normally I'd call that cool, but Kreia is portrayed in a weird way...she's annoying to me. Absolutely unsympathetic. And then her cryptic way to talk. She sounds like she doesn't understand herself what she's talking about. What a pity.. i really like a compareable character (palpatine for example) but I just can't stand Kreia. I agree she's a rather well thought out character though.

Overally I just can't stand Kreia, and Revan is definitly very cool.

Even though some guys like to flame the Revan fanboys, just the fact that those people exist in a not too small number is proof that Bioware created a very sympathetic and interesting character...
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Old 11-30-2006, 12:52 PM   #21
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He gains no coolness for what Revan-fanboys apply to him, though. Nor should he.
Precisely, what do Revan-fanboys apply to him? I'd like to know.

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My two cents on the subject. There is no doubt that Revan is by far the most powerful character of this era either as a Jedi and/or as a Sith. He is a one man army ready to demolish anyone that stands on his way. Apart from his powerful connection with the force, Revan is a knowledgeable man. Again and again during the games we are informed that Revan sought knowledge everywhere. He was willing to learn from anyone and he had many teachers. But the most prominent of his teachers was Kreia. Kreia as the librarian of the Jedi order was The Source of knowledge that Revan was seeking. What it means to be a Jedi and what it means to be a Sith is definitely Kreia's work.

In conclusion. Kreia is a powerful force user. Her greatest weapons are her mind and her vast knowledge. But Revan is the ultimate force user and the ultimate character. The only one who can defeat Revan is Revan himself.

Cheers,
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I like the whole passage but the last sentence. "The only one who can defeat Revan is Revan himself." It seems a little fanboyish.
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Precisely, what do Revan-fanboys apply to him? I'd like to know.
Whatever they want to. I'm not saying this is true of anyone here, but I've seen people claim that Revan is the greatest jedi ever, the most powerful force-user ever to exist, that he is invincible, etc. The problem with that is that people identify with Revan because they ARE Revan in KotOR1, but a lot of the attributes they apply to Revan are there only in their own minds. Personally, I don't see Revan as quite that perfect. He was a great strategist, I think, but he also overestimated his own powers and abilities - like Ulic he thought he could wield the dark side as a tool without falling victim to it himself or at least that he could forsee what would happen. That's a bit presumptious either way, and Revan paid the price for it. Revan's powerful, but he's not perfect, if you ask me.


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Old 12-01-2006, 06:44 PM   #23
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sorry bout that "architecT" wasn't having a good day. no excuse for my...outburst. as long as you don't stray to far away from the topic, i really don't mind(:


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Comparing Revan to Kreia is like comparing Samuel L. Jackson (in Snakes on a Plane) to a brick.
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Old 12-01-2006, 10:03 PM   #25
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I would have to say that Revan is cooler. And about Revan fan-boys....I would only apply that to little 10 year olds who think Revan is God and that absolutely nothing can stop him....not people that think he's cooler than Kreia.
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Comparing Revan to Kreia is like comparing Samuel L. Jackson (in Snakes on a Plane) to a brick.
Did a brick train Revan and teach him pretty much everything he knows? Hmm......no.


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Old 12-02-2006, 10:58 PM   #26
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Revan's gametes>>>Kreia. Sorry, mods, for the sexual reference, but it is true.
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...Revan was far better developed and was simply an engaging character, whereas Kreia just tends to make you want to gouge your eyes out. And you thought Miraluka were born that way .
LoL

I like Revan's character a whole lot more than Kreia, she annoyed me, and all I ever want to do in the game when I'm not fighting is to lose inf with her. I need her to hate me, dog gone it.


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Old 12-03-2006, 10:35 PM   #28
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Revan is way cooler.

Brilliant strategist.
Pragmatist in the time of cloistered Jedi.
Uber powerful force user.
Rational conqueror.
Protector of the galaxy.
Thoughtful student.

Compared to Kreia's what?
Creepy old hag.
Bitchy old crone.
Manipulative old witch.
Perceptive old prune.

Kreia and Malak are basically polar opposites. Revan, though, has the best of both worlds and the worst of neither.


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Did a brick train Revan and teach him pretty much everything he knows? Hmm......no.
Yes, yes it did - Jedi Master Inanimate Brick Shaped Object. But seriously:
Does that make Kreia an amazing jedi - yes.
Does is make her an interesting/great character - also yes.
Does it maker her 'cool' - no.
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Old 12-08-2006, 06:13 AM   #30
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Old 12-08-2006, 06:29 PM   #31
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My general view:

Revan seems more cool to me then kriea. He is strong willed and what he believes in, he tries to achieve it as well.

Another thing is that Revan's impressive achievements provide us a good indication about his potential and talents. He is also a master-planner like Kriea and Sidious and he has faith in his judgements.

He does not needs to manipulate others for his cause, as others follow him without questions. Because they understand that Revan can be trusted.

One thing I liked about Kriea is that their is some depth in her views. She is also noted for training Revan.

Attraction:

Revan is more attactive then kriea.

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Revan is more powerful then Kriea.

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Old 12-09-2006, 06:34 AM   #32
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People theorise that Revan is thought to be cooler partly because we were him in K1.
Applying the same logic to Kreia but in reverse: If I got to be Kreia in K2, would I at least slightly bend towards her in this coolness contest against Revan? *in deep contemplation* Er... Nope. So now the subjective determinant factor is cancelled out and the objective answer remains to be Revan.
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Old 12-10-2006, 04:18 AM   #33
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I'd say both had their qualites that I appreciate. They both have the abilty to manipulate people or other Jedi to see their side of things. Being subtle but not direct is the key to acheiving your goals.




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Revan is just plain ownage. Just look at how s\he plays with Carth and Bastila, and the characters in general. I'm willing to bet if they ever met Revan would tell Kreia to stick it because, canologically, the Dark Side is in the past and Revan wants nothing to do with it. Well maybe a little...when it comes to manipulating a slimy Hutt.
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Kreia is Sideous to Revan's Vader. Like Sideous, Kreia believed she was serving a higher puropse, punishing the Jedi's arrogance, working in she shadows and manipulating everything and everyone in range (Am I the only one who suspects she IS one of the True Sith?). Sideous and Kreia were also faithless in their advisors and apprentices, but ultimately in themselves.

Revan may have been her apprentice, but Revan reached a point where she wasn't having it. Heart of the Force, yes. Yet, as Bastila put it, "Ours is the ultimate free will. The Force is our destiny, but the choices we make along it are our own." Revan was also do to what Kreia could not and what Exile could not - bind people together through not Force bonds or manipulation, but by unifying into a whole.


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(Am I the only one who suspects she IS one of the True Sith?)
Well since she was once a Jedi, then I highly doubt that she is a True Sith.


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Definetly Kreia, her use of words as weapons is awesome, and also because she instructed Revan.( and maybe planted the temptation of the dark side in Revan's path)
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Well since she was once a Jedi, then I highly doubt that she is a True Sith.
Where better to hide, though?

The Supreme Chancellor's office hid a Sith Lord for nearly two decades, Lumiya had served in Rogue Squadron, and Vergere (who's pretty bloody Kreia-ish in her own right) hid among Luke's New Order. Kreia is just sneaky enough to pull it off.


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Well since she was once a Jedi, then I highly doubt that she is a True Sith.
Maybe not, but then again Vader was a Jedi, admitably repentent even if his plea for forgiveness falls on deaf ears. Wasn't Palpatine a Jedi at one time as well? I'm probably thinking Dooku.
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Dooku was, Palpitine was Sith and always had been Sith.


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