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Anakin 18 40.91%
Traya 4 9.09%
Revan 25 56.82%
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Old 12-11-2006, 08:50 PM   #1
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Who would win in a fair fight?

I believe Anakin would win... but I like Anakin, even more than Revan, which is kinda hard to believe.... and Jar Jar would win too.... lol
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Old 12-11-2006, 08:56 PM   #2
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Anakin, hes the chosen one.
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Old 12-11-2006, 09:04 PM   #3
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Well, I see I'm not alone.... Welcome to the Forums... oh cardy one... lol...
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Old 12-11-2006, 09:05 PM   #4
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Ani and Revan. Ani got good lightsaber dueling skills, but Revan better off at tactics.

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Old 12-11-2006, 09:14 PM   #5
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Well, I guess we can all agree that Revan, Anakin, Traya and Sidious are all very powerful. The real question is, are we talking about Anakin the way he ended up in the movies, or Anakin at his full potential?

If we are talking about Anakin at the level he reached in the movies, then Sidious (canonically the most powerful Sith Lord of all time) would defeat him, Revan and Traya.

However, if we are talking about Anakin at his full potential, the level he could have reached, then he would defeat Sidious, Revan and Traya, since he was the Chosen One, he was an incarnation of the force itself, he had the highest midi chlorian count ever, he is the main character in the Star Wars movies, he is a Skywalker and according to George Lucas, he would have become the most powerful Jedi/Sith of all time, if the event at Mustafar never happened.

So, which Anakin are we talking about here?


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Old 12-11-2006, 09:18 PM   #6
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Anakin at his FULL POTENTIAL.... one that could shoot Force Lightning, if he wanted.
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Old 12-11-2006, 09:23 PM   #7
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Anakin at his FULL POTENTIAL.... one that could shoot Force Lightning, if he wanted.
Well in that case, their shouldn't even be a poll, since Anakin at his full potential would defeat anybody. Lucas said that at his full potential, he would have become more powerful than every Jedi and Sith ever.

Even Sidious (who was canonically the most powerful Sith Lord ever) said to the legendary Yoda (who was probably the second most powerful Jedi ever behind Luke) that Anakin/Vader would become more powerful than either of them.


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Old 12-11-2006, 09:25 PM   #8
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Thanks guys, and i believe you could throw in luke in this discusion because he took down anakin, but then again he was a old man at the time.
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Old 12-11-2006, 09:30 PM   #9
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I vote for Revan and Traya. Revan, at his prime, was a completely powerful Jedi, and even Kreia noted that "staring into him was like staring into the heart of the Force." And as for Traya herself, her knowledge of the Force seems unmatched.
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I vote for Revan and Traya. Revan, at his prime, was a completely powerful Jedi, and even Kreia noted that "staring into him was like staring into the heart of the Force." And as for Traya herself, her knowledge of the Force seems unmatched.
Haven't you read my posts on this thread? Revan and Traya were both powerful, but compared to Anakin and Sidious, they are nothing.


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Old 12-11-2006, 10:16 PM   #11
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But people have their own opinions Architect... and leave their opinions to them... we can not make choices for other people... if we could, everyone on here would be Darksided because of me....
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Old 12-11-2006, 10:16 PM   #12
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Oh come on! Revan could have easily laid some traps while Traya could have emotionally blackmailed Ankaian while...

Wait? Fair fight? Bah!

Since George Lucas said that Darth Vader is, at full potential, the greatest, then Darth Vader is, at full potential, the greatest. Anakain FTW!
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Old 12-11-2006, 10:34 PM   #13
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But people have their own opinions Architect... and leave their opinions to them... we can not make choices for other people... if we could, everyone on here would be Darksided because of me....
I never said that SkyoRevan can't have an opinion about who would win, but I'm just pointing out that he (or she) would be wrong, because of the reasons I've already stated.

Lucas is the boss of Star Wars. Whatever he says, goes. Simple.


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Old 12-11-2006, 10:57 PM   #14
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Anakin would be the most powerful of them all at his full potential. This is fact, btw, not just my opinion. Lucas himself has stated that Anakin would have been "at least twice as powerful as the Emperor" without his injuries on Mustafar.

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Old 12-12-2006, 01:18 PM   #15
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Anakin at full potential= most powerful Jedi/Sith ever

That would mean that he could defeat any Jedi/Sith that has ever existed (which would obviously include all 3 of the other choices). So yea, none of them would have a chance against him.


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Old 12-12-2006, 01:33 PM   #16
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You're all assuming Anakin would ever reach his full potential. Let's see... He lost against Dooku, and lost an arm. He lost against Obi-wan, and lost the rest of his extremities. Why did he lose? Emotion. Anakin was far too emotional to ever reach his full potential, and he died for the very same reasons. Why would you assume he would ever be powerful enough to defeat any of the Jedi you've listed? I honestly don't think he'd be able to defeat any of them. Especially not Traya, who is devoid of emotion it seems.

Emotion is the great destroyer of Jedi and Sith alike. Every Jedi or Sith that makes a fatal mistake in battle has likely been feeling fear, anger, jealousy, compassion, etc. The perfect Jedi or Sith would be one with no motivation: no anger, no greed, no compassion. The perfect Jedi would have to be truly grey, and truly inhuman. I really doubt such a being exists.

That said, I think these four would be equally matched. Sidious may be powerful, to be sure, but your power is only as good as your tactics. His power is worthless being that his tactics are obviously flawed, otherwise he would have wiped the floor with Yoda rather than letting him escape.

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Old 12-12-2006, 01:54 PM   #17
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Hard question, but I'd see it turning out like this.

Anakin - Sidious (Winner: Anakin)
Revan - Traya (Winner: Traya)

Final battle: Anakin - Traya (Winner: Anakin)

They're all good characters, so I voted for them all.
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Old 12-12-2006, 02:15 PM   #18
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Hmmm, well i think that if Anakin was at full potential he would win; however if it is just the Anakin/Vader we see in the films i think;

Revan vs Traya = Revan win

Sidious vs Anakin = Sidious win

Sidious vs Revan = Sidious win

Anakin vs Traya = Anakin win

Anakin vs Revan = Revan win

Sidious vs Traya = Sidious win

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Old 12-12-2006, 04:15 PM   #19
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Well, the creator of this thread has stated that it is Anakin at full potential, so I think for future reference, people should go by that.


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Old 12-12-2006, 04:20 PM   #20
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Lucas says: Anakin wins. Period.


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Old 12-12-2006, 05:00 PM   #21
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... according to George Lucas, he would have become the most powerful Jedi/Sith of all time
And there lies the devil in the details. Sure, Darth Vader would be able to defeat all other Jedi/Sith...but what about people who are outside those orders?

Can he defeat the Rakatans, at the height of their Infinite Empire? Or the Jedi Exile (who, canoncially, is not a True Jedi)? Or any of the other Force-Using Orders?

Most likely, yes, and I'm being needlessly pedantic, but it just seem that Ankanin is only the greatest of Jedi and Sith Force Users, and there may be other Force Users who are greater than him.
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Old 12-12-2006, 05:11 PM   #22
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Revan would win if Anakin wasnot in it. Revan could just thought bomb Traya's and Sidious's asses. Full potential Anakin who is more powerful than DN Luke would win easily without twitching a finger.
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Well, the creator of this thread has stated that it is Anakin at full potential, so I think for future reference, people should go by that.
Well why not throw God into the fray too, then, if we're speculating on things that would never happen.

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Revan would win if Anakin wasnot in it. Revan could just thought bomb Traya's and Sidious's asses. Full potential Anakin who is more powerful than DN Luke would win easily without twitching a finger.
I really hate that Thought Bomb argument. Look at this and tell me if you think one person could create a Thought Bomb in a relatively short amount of time (and during a 4-way battle)

Formed through an ancient ritual requiring the combined will of many powerful Sith Lords, the thought bomb, when triggered, unleashed the pure destructive energy of the dark side http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Thought_bomb

Thought Bombs take a long time to create, and they take the combined power of multiple Sith Lords, so a Thought Bomb would be completely useless in a fight like that.


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Old 12-12-2006, 05:38 PM   #25
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I really hate that Thought Bomb argument. Look at this and tell me if you think one person could create a Thought Bomb in a relatively short amount of time (and during a 4-way battle)

Formed through an ancient ritual requiring the combined will of many powerful Sith Lords, the thought bomb, when triggered, unleashed the pure destructive energy of the dark side http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Thought_bomb

Thought Bombs take a long time to create, and they take the combined power of multiple Sith Lords, so a Thought Bomb would be completely useless in a fight like that.
Yes, none of them even knew what a thought bomb was so they had little experience. It probably took a long time for those weak fools to create theirs because Bane was not helping them. The dark side allows it users to learn quickly but I doubt the thought bom could be learned quickly. Revan was probably using thought bombs lots of times during the Mandy War. Besides, Nihilus was able to create one by himself.
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Old 12-12-2006, 05:45 PM   #26
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Revan was probably using thought bombs lots of times during the Mandy War. Besides, Nihilus was able to create one by himself.
Well that's impossible, because Revan cannot create Thought Bombs by himself. He would need the aid of multiple Sith Lords. Also, "probably using thought bombs" isn't really a good argument. And Nihilus never created a Thought Bomb, he pretty much was a walking Thought Bomb. And Nihilus was unique, being the "Lord of Hunger" and all.

Now let's get back on topic, shall we?


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Old 12-12-2006, 05:51 PM   #27
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Hmmm, well i think that if Anakin was at full potential he would win; however if it is just the Anakin/Vader we see in the films i think;

Revan vs Traya = Revan win

Sidious vs Anakin = Sidious win

Sidious vs Revan = Sidious win

Anakin vs Traya = Anakin win

Anakin vs Revan = Revan win

Sidious vs Traya = Sidious win

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I dont think sidious would beat Traya, sidious was not much of a fighter but was the most clever sith lord.
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Sidious is "the most powerful Sith Lord in history" so that includes being more powerful than Traya.
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I dont agree, maybe the most intellegent and manipulative sith lord of all time, does not mean he was the most powerful.

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You have to, but the book that stated he was is accepted as law.
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Old 12-12-2006, 06:17 PM   #31
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Well, the creator of this thread has stated that it is Anakin at full potential, so I think for future reference, people should go by that.
Well then there isnt even a debate there then my post was going by if he wasnt otherwise this thread is pointless as Anakin was the 'chosen one' so had he not had a slight mishap on a rather hot planet he would of become the most powerful Jedi/Sith ever and therefore would pawn anyone that got in a fight with him.

Sidious would clearly own Traya, he was after all the most powerful Sith Lord of all time (according to Lucas lore), this does of course bring an interesting question; if he was the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, how come he didnt learn what Darth Plagius knew? Or was that a load of crap and just a means of seducing Anakin to the Dark Side? (that was more a rhetorical question as its off topic)

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I dont think sidious would beat Traya, sidious was not much of a fighter but was the most clever sith lord.
I would have to disagree here, Sidious, beat 3 Jedi Masters in Lightsaber combat before him and Mace Windu fought. He and Yoda were equally matched with Regards Force Powers and Lighsaber ability (much as I hated the fact it was a draw, as I would have LOVED to see the little green dude kick his ass!)



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Old 12-12-2006, 06:39 PM   #32
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Well then there isnt even a debate there then my post was going by if he wasnt otherwise this thread is pointless as Anakin was the 'chosen one' so had he not had a slight mishap on a rather hot planet he would of become the most powerful Jedi/Sith ever and therefore would pawn anyone that got in a fight with him.

Sidious would clearly own Traya, he was after all the most powerful Sith Lord of all time (according to Lucas lore), this does of course bring an interesting question; if he was the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, how come he didnt learn what Darth Plagius knew? Or was that a load of crap and just a means of seducing Anakin to the Dark Side? (that was more a rhetorical question as its off topic)



I would have to disagree here, Sidious, beat 3 Jedi Masters in Lightsaber combat before him and Mace Windu fought. He and Yoda were equally matched with Regards Force Powers and Lighsaber ability (much as I hated the fact it was a draw, as I would have LOVED to see the little green dude kick his ass!)
Actaully he did not beat windu, if anikan did not show up windu would have arrested him or even killed him, he had him down.
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At any point did I say he had beaten Windu? I said he killed 3 Jedi Master pretty much at the same time, before the fight with Windu, and yes Windu would of killed Sidious if Anakin hadnt arrived and intervened. I was merely pointing out that Sidious was a good fighter and not just a manipulative and clever Sith Lord; it takes some skill to take on 4 Jedi Masters and kill 3 of them in a matter of seconds.

Still annoys me that Mace did him though and Yoda didnt!



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You're all assuming Anakin would ever reach his full potential. Let's see... He lost against Dooku, and lost an arm. He lost against Obi-wan, and lost the rest of his extremities. Why did he lose? Emotion. Anakin was far too emotional to ever reach his full potential, and he died for the very same reasons. Why would you assume he would ever be powerful enough to defeat any of the Jedi you've listed? I honestly don't think he'd be able to defeat any of them. Especially not Traya, who is devoid of emotion it seems.
Umm...this is Revan MoD's (easier to type) poll and he said Anakin is at his full potential in this theoretical poll. Since he created this poll and said Anakin is at his full potential in it, Anakin wins. Simple. Why? Read my posts on this thread and you'll figure it out.

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That said, I think these four would be equally matched. Sidious may be powerful, to be sure, but your power is only as good as your tactics. His power is worthless being that his tactics are obviously flawed, otherwise he would have wiped the floor with Yoda rather than letting him escape.
What? Sidious was a master tactician. You do realise that Yoda is basically the second most powerful Jedi of all time behind Luke Skywalker, right? I'm sure I heard somewhere that Lucas said Yoda was the most powerful Jedi ever before Luke became an uber powerful force god which was after RotJ.

Even though Sidious was canonically the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, he was coming up against Yoda, not some average mofo. He tried to kill Yoda, but he got away, because he's Yoda.

Going by Revan MoD's bulletpoints, everyone is at their full potential in these fights, so the way I see it:

(Winner in brackets)

Sidious vs. Traya (Sidious)
Anakin vs. Revan (Anakin)
Sidious vs. Revan (Sidious)
Anakin vs. Traya (Anakin)
Revan vs. Traya (Revan)
Sidious vs. Anakin (Anakin)

1. Anakin
2. Sidious
3. Revan
4. Traya


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You're all assuming Anakin would ever reach his full potential. Let's see... He lost against Dooku, and lost an arm. He lost against Obi-wan, and lost the rest of his extremities. Why did he lose? Emotion.
A few points, if I may...

During his first duel with Dooku, Anakin was rash and lost. During his second one, he defeated him in fair combat. Despite his strength in the Force, it's useless against experience. For example, Anakin in TPM had just as high a midi-chlorian count as he did in Episode III. But, obviously, he was far weaker in the first movie. He hadn't been able to use his Force powers to their full potential yet. Just as in Episode II, he hadn't mastered them as fully as in Episode III.

Experience matters. If Anakin had more years of it, I think he'd have won against even Yoda or Sidious.


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Old 12-12-2006, 10:01 PM   #36
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Really, a debate is pointless considering that, at full potential, there is no one Anakin can't defeat. The whole list of battle outcomes IMO-

-Sidious vs. Traya (Sidious)
-Anakin vs. Revan (Anakin)
-Sidious vs. Revan (Sidious)
-Anakin vs. Traya (Anakin)
-Revan vs. Traya (Revan)
-Sidious vs. Anakin (Anakin)

1. Anakin
2. Sidious
3. Revan
4. Traya


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Old 12-13-2006, 06:38 AM   #37
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Anakin at his full potential could become the most powerful Jedi. But he never reaches his full potential.

Considering some important things in the ranking:

- Sidious & Revan [POST-KOTOR] (Rank 1)
- Anakin (Rank 2)
- Darth Traya (Rank 3)

But if Anakin reaches full potential: (which never happened in canon reality)

- Anakin (Rank 1)
- Sidious & Revan [POST-KOTOR] (Rank 2)
- Darth Traya (Rank 3)

Revan after POST-KOTOR remembered his former mastery in Dark Side (as his mind fully heals and all his memories recover) and add to that his new mastery in the Light, becomes a solid Grey Jedi and one of the most powerful Jedi ever in Star Wars history.

Though! Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord, but Revan (POST-KOTOR) will be an exceptional match for him after his reformed mastery in Force.

And as pure Sith Lords:

1- Darth Sidious
2- Darth Revan
3- Darth Vader (not at his full potential)
4- Darth Traya

Also as pure Sith Lords:

1- Darth Vader (Full Potential)
2- Darth Sidious
3- Darth Revan
4- Darth Traya

I have mentioned all possible ranking ways now.

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Ooh, this would be an interesting match-up.

Anakin: I want Padme!
Traya: Blabbity blabbity blabbity Echoes blah blah Force blah blah dark light blah blah
Sidious: *cackled laughter* Join the Dark Side!! *cackled laughter*
Revan: WTF?


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Ooh, this would be an interesting match-up.

Anakin: I want Padme!
Traya: Blabbity blabbity blabbity Echoes blah blah Force blah blah dark light blah bla
Sidious: *cackled laughter* Join the Dark Side!! *cackled laughter*
Revan: WTF?
Believe me, I can't stop laughing!
*Straightens up* Ok. Well... definitely

1) Traya
2) Revan
3) Sidious
4) Anakin

Oh, before someone starts throwin' spears at me- it's in reversed order!
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