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Old 01-05-2007, 11:23 AM   #81
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Well, a silly idea is forming in my head. Darth (something) the Hutt

But as for cool Sith Lords - I guess someone silent and grotesque would properly do a great job. Someone like a Lord Nihilus that doesn't have a hungerproblem.



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Old 01-05-2007, 12:31 PM   #82
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I think you could go to what some already proposed , a creature = energy form ( clouds ; fog , electrons ... ) , something like the C'Tan in 40K universe .

Can take any form , eats stars and any life form ... Pure evil by sheer destruction , but are they smart ?
IMO not really , just follow their 'Hunger' like Nihilus .
Then twist it. It doesn't have to "be" Destruction, but maybe...Creation.

If so, then the Star Forge is a sort of villian in and of itself, causing for the civil war in the Infinite Empire so that they can grow more powerful. It hungers for strife, chaos...so that it can create. Not destruction, per se, but more so creating an enviroment of evil. I speculate that the Star Forge is what caused Malak to betray his master turn manically evil and stupid, wanting to destroy everything.

What if the energy form is basically some highly intelligent oxygen tank...with the main goal of...something. Could be the creation of a new Sith Empire, the ruling of the whole galaxy...or something more. Maybe the intelligent oxygen tank's main goal is to destroy the main character?
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Old 01-07-2007, 02:12 AM   #83
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I like the idea of the abilities of the boss changing to fit your character. This would offer more replayability,
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Old 01-07-2007, 04:31 AM   #84
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A Sith Lord that wears a long black cloak, mandalorian battle armour and a ghostly white mask, and he has no weps but he is incredibly strong in the force.

Meaning that that he could crush your lungs with nothing more than a click of his fingers.
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Old 01-07-2007, 01:40 PM   #85
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a sith lord who wears robes like anakins in the concept art for vader if he wasen't in cased in the armour (it in the episode 3 the video game) and the sith lord is very power ful in the force and he barely use his light saber (green colour).
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Old 01-14-2007, 04:40 AM   #86
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Sidious ain't that evil , I've seen worse persons in movies , but he's clever and in some way charming (befote he gets electrified ) , talks real smooth ...

If I think it over , we have seen two types of evil in the Kotor games :

1) Smart , clever , manipultive : Kreia

2)Strong , monster-like : Malak , Sion ( ~Nihilus )

All of them considered human ... So far most of them where scarred or where a bit cyborg .

I think you could go to what some already proposed , a creature = energy form ( clouds ; fog , electrons ... ) , something like the C'Tan in 40K universe .

Can take any form , eats stars and any life form ... Pure evil by sheer destruction , but are they smart ?
IMO not really , just follow their 'Hunger' like Nihilus .

Maybe a droid or Virus kind of A.I. who becomes Force sensative ?
Who have you seen that is more evil? And how? I'd LOVE some more examples and ideas.

Maybe I'm just a masochist and like to hit my head on things (Jae Onasi?) just a little too much. However:

I figure why not have someone who has it all--every consular and guardian specialty, yet great overall like a sentinel...while we're at it, all the specialties of the soldier, scout, and scoundrel classes too.
Why NOT make him or her THAT evil? OR better yet, neutral grey and has access to all. Has also some things you don't earn, and attributes higher than you could possibly ever earn in the game without cheating...defeating him or her even on easy would still put a splinter in your brain.

Clever and manipulative, yet powerful and brutal too.

So far as evil is concerned:
The subversive and subtle approach may not appear much in short, but it has quite the dramatic effect when accumulating over time. It takes not only someone clever but with the nerve to use that cleverness for evil.
Undermining, deceiving people with their passions and prejudices--saturating their vision so that they are blinded to the fact that they are your will, or if they see it, they are at least unable to resist it.
The art of deception: Once you get somebody to trust you, that person will open up a word to your disposal.

Palpatine needed to be a smooth talker--kind of a necessity while donning the friendly El`politico mask...plus he needed to find his way to AAABBSOLUUUTE POWER!

The entirety of starwars REAKS maetphorics and symbolism. The life of the galaxy and anakin/vader. The death of democracy, the death of padme. Palpatine deformed, also exposed for the true evil and ugly that he is.



A.I.? Virus? Combined--ever fancy that? Sounds sort of like the megaman X series. (Is that because I have a pic of Zero as my avatar? )
You mean like sigma and Zero from megaman X? The Zero and sigma virus programs were supernatural: harm or tweak *everything* regardless of what it is--even manipulated in one case to turn lava BLUE of all colors! OF course it helped Zero and sigma. Everyone else reploid wise turned maverick or died. It was a virus composed of bodies of ionization--or so it appears. That's my best explanation.

Funny how there are some odd similarities to SW in megaman games-- I think keiji inafune is a closet SW fan! In fact, "Vile" who looks a lot like boba fett was voiced by none other than the body of mr fett himself in ROTJ, Corey Bullock.


Anyway, sorry abou that Jae. I know you are only doing your job as a moderator/admin member, but I'm glad you are here. Being politically correct so I don't have to be. Censoring for those times I go slightly out of range. I daresay, with an onasi at your side, it's hard to go wrong. ......well unless wrong to you IS on the light side of justice.

...If I knew where my comic was, Jae, I'd scan it and show you another JarJar image for laughs. By toyfare mag since everyone wants to put something rediculous on this thread, even tho I asked for it not to be that way.

Anybody got some of beavis and butthead in an SW esque scene?
Episode I: The phantom Butt-Face!

In any case, meatbags, I do belive that an all encompassing sith would hit the spot.
And I did sort of hint at one point, I think, at it being something other than humanoid. Maybe not. That's the problem with dry and biting sarcasm for a sense of humor--nobody knows when to laugh or take you serious. Oh well.

Supposition: The idea of a sith who creates and expands instead of destroys and consumes is a grand idea that has only been grazed once by the concept of the star forge. Would you meatbags find any objection with a boss that did such?

Another bio-organic/droid cyborg being is relatively new as well with greivous. If it could use force powers and it had 4 legs an impurvious attacking tail and 4-6 arms--what sayeth thou? Or somesuch.
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Old 01-14-2007, 08:35 AM   #87
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i think darth revan shud be the boss
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Old 01-14-2007, 08:50 AM   #88
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Well the true evil I have seen in movies , where real-life based movies , realistic ones .

One scene I remember is about street live in Brazil , where gang of kids fight amongst each other . They're age ranges from 5 to 15 years old .
Just this scene where one of the older youngsters command one of his younger friends to shoot some other kid in the foot or hand ....

I can tell you , that struck me way harder as evil then the stereo-type "monster" evil characters we see in movies like SW or things like " Van Helsing" stuff .

Besides the strong protective censor things in many country's towards childeren ... things get way to much polished , I mean there's lots of explosions , fighting violance , but blood ? A real showing of pain ?
Sometimes its a bit absurd in these action flicks .

I now that you don't tons of blood to be shown to establish an evil character , but I feel in some way that censor laws can be very restrictive to create a real pure evil person .


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Old 01-14-2007, 10:53 AM   #89
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Physical violence is one way to create an evil image, but some of the movies I've seen catch total evilness way better with psychological violence if you know what I mean...
It may be just me, but that kind of evil shocks me much more than Sidious whom i find rather amusing.

Anyway, Star wars doesn't need such total evil characters imo.
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Old 01-14-2007, 02:27 PM   #90
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i think darth revan shud be the boss
I don't.

As I've said before, I would like the Sith Lord to be something new, something we haven't seen before. I'm not really sure what that is, but I suggested before that it be some kind of a dark side essence, like someone who has given up his body to practically become one with the Force and become this dark side "cloud".


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Old 01-14-2007, 04:29 PM   #91
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Aside from perhaps Hitler I do not see anyone who could possibly beat out Palpatine as the greatest evil ever, in real life or in fiction. But if there was such a person, if there was someone who could hold a candle to Sidious, it would be Oliver O'Grady, the former priest and unapologetic child rapist that is over and above what we have seen in the 21st century as pure evil. The docuementary Deliver Us From Evil paints him as 'In saintly looking Father O'Grady, director Amy Berg has found a villain more demonic than any fictional bad guy.'
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Old 01-14-2007, 09:31 PM   #92
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What about

While I agree with most everyone that having a human as the main bad guy is for the best and that making her female and having one or many men in love with her that seem like the main bad guy would be fantastic.

But what about having a high level boss that is a droid, but a droid that is like General Grevous. One that has been trained in the Jedi arts and uses that lightsabres of the jedi that he has already killed.

I thought that it might be interesting to have a high level difficult droid to fight. Maybe even one that also acts as a servant to the main dark lords that you see doing menial tasks for them during cuts seens. Maybe this guy could be like the Sion or Bastila was, someone that you fight right before the main bad guy.

Please let me know what you think
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Old 01-15-2007, 01:23 PM   #93
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Not a bad idea, but if such a droid is implemented, I'd like him to possess *unique* abilities. Not just amazing blaster and melee skills...
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Old 01-15-2007, 03:27 PM   #94
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Force Lightning, Destroy Droid, Ion Grenades...KABOOM!
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Old 01-15-2007, 03:53 PM   #95
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If we're going Droid I say apply everything we just discussed to the female sith earlier (except being pretty of course lol) Anything wierder than a smart, manipulative robot? We could play the same mislead idea and have him be like an old sith guy who nearly died - not vader style: lost next to all brain activity. mostly just used as parts for the robot lol - and now acts as a protocal droid. Until... wallop. He's not as retarded as we thought hehe.
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Old 01-15-2007, 05:51 PM   #96
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Or this droid could by something like the "puppet-master" from the Ghost in the Shell 2 movie .

Maybe in its real form it would be like an ancient astromech droid , gone a bit crazy or infected by something , ( this reminds me of an old Star Trek movie where that sattelite Voyager returns totally modded .)

IMO I think it couldn't hurt if we saw some more of the ugly side of the SW universe .


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Old 01-16-2007, 11:43 AM   #97
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Is a beautiful girl with a small little insignificant scar on her forehead ugly enough?
And no, I'm not talking about Harry Potter...
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Old 01-16-2007, 04:26 PM   #98
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Maybe an 'atris-looking' woman, as an off-set to all those oppressive black cloaks, masks etc? hell, it could even be a disguise, who knows.

oh, and a white lightsabre perhaps. not red. too generic.
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Old 01-16-2007, 05:09 PM   #99
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Maybe have a significent Jedi fall and then the end boss uses their lightsaber.
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Old 01-19-2007, 02:13 AM   #100
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Hey all.

Anyway--psychological violence is what I was working up to--I suppose sidious is amusing...but his cleverness in the way he carried out his evils--there's just something that just get's ya. Vaelastraz, well said. The ultimate evil is that which is unseen acting as a friend...until the right moment, or it is too late and damage is done.

As far as a droid boss--I suppose one could go with that. Describe in greater detail.

Why not have a power like force "destruction" like in the jedi knight series--sure the weapons like a Tenloss DXR-6 disruptor rifle (which goes right THROUGH lightsabers like they're nothing at all and disintegrates the target) may be strictly to that era, but I thought force powers were indiscriminant? In case anybody needs a re-up on this dark side power: In jedi knight 1 it was throwing a sort of plasma fireball that exploded violently upon impact, ignited target, and hurled mini-shards of the ball in all direction killing or at least severely wounding everyone within its radius.

A K1 mod was made that has similar effects as far as fire and explosions, but it was a rainbow colored version of force lightning.

Another mod is either for JK2 or 3 that is throwing firebolts; a reskinned and altered sonud fx version force lightning looking as though it is bolts of fire instead.

How about a twisted mother daughter relationship? The mother is the totally evil not so attractive (though not as hideous as sidious and some of revan in deviantart.com) woman because of middle age.
The daughter is the sexy one.
I think as far as a plot--the two of them seemingly allies of your character, but as it progresses you find out the horrible truth.

I'm just throwing stones to see what hits and what misses with us LF'ers
Another idea is--well, sort of a combination of previously mentioned ideas by other people and given slight attention by myself, I do think this was hinted at in whole by at least one of you out there..... buuuuuutttttt: How about with dude's comments above that the boss should be revan, BUT revan will be somewhat dependent on your gameplay and dialogue choices...and perhaps a little featurette recognizing previous savegames from K1 and K2...if they contradict, then it will remain a mystery until the end, sort of. Why not have another boss be the exile? Same goes here.
And I still think there should be more bosses too.

Force doppleganger: replicates player but does it thrice-fold and knows your every move; something that would really make you think... strategy wise; of course there should be an easy remedy that is difficult to find and yet still more difficult to obtain. Randomizing maps too--sorta like diablo, and I know blizzard doesn't have the market on random maps. So lucas arts could do that.
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Old 01-19-2007, 03:20 PM   #101
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What if "you" where the boss ?

What if you planned to erase your own memory, infiltrate the Jedi by joining them , then as Jedi you fight off your Sith competators you had as Dark Lord .

And by the end of the story , by various clues it becomes clear you planned everything .

Allthough I must admit its a bit of rip-off of the move Cypher ( double double spy) and looks very alike KOtor 1 .

But I think it could be done very nicely and it would cause very weird situations .


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Old 01-19-2007, 04:23 PM   #102
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Old 01-19-2007, 04:42 PM   #103
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Take the idea a step further and have plenty of opportunities to play double agent and pretend to be a Jedi when you're really a Sith, then turn out that you are in fact a Jedi after all. The end boss could be dependent on what path you take. Light side could have you as one of the Jedi with Bastila fighting Revan (if going for a prequal) where dark side puts you on the other side of the fight.
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Old 01-19-2007, 06:31 PM   #104
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^^^ that scenario would be extremely limiting don't you think? i think a prequel is unlikely anyway.
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Old 01-20-2007, 05:35 AM   #105
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Not really , its like the same with Revan in Kotor 1 .

IN the end you can decide to stay a Jedi or just take your place back as Sith Lord .

Maybe to make things interesting you could choose something inbetween .
' Exile ' or something like that , a grey choice , because you got sick off all that manipulating on both sides .

Or turn it around , a Jedi memory wiped send to the Sith to be trained .
Cause in Kotor 1 you where forced to start as a Jedi , why not now as a Sith .

That could make the end boss a Master Jedi and Sith if your real dark-sided .

For LS you could have some Sith Lords awaiting you .

IMO , I think it would be nice to have a Jedi like MAster VAndar to be the end 'boss' if you are DS .


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Old 01-20-2007, 07:12 AM   #106
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Sith Lords always seem to be human (or at least formerly so). How about a Trandoshan Sith Lord? Brute strength and ferocity, with Wookie pelts coating the walls of his sanctum. Some nasty traits like skinning his victims. Or a gand with incredible force powers, but not much lightsaber skills (and killing him could involve ripping of his mask and letting him drown in oxygen, if you're really evil).

Droids with lightsabers would be cool too, but a bit too Grievous-y. On the subject of droids though, is a force-sensitive droid possible? Darth Vader is pretty much half droid and he's still very powerful, and 4-Lom shows signs of basic force sensitivity. Could be an interesting villain.

There should definetely be some villains with more motivation than "dominate the universe". Something along the lines of G0-T0s quest to stabilize the republic. I like the ideas of beautiful female dark jedi who don't seem dark (white robes, etc). Perhaps a few of these things could be combined?
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Old 01-20-2007, 09:55 AM   #107
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No. I'd rather stick to the good old humans. There's something about that classic human good vs human evil that is a necessary part of starwars to me...
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Old 01-20-2007, 12:31 PM   #108
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Well, while the main sithlord should be a human (or once human) the other sithlords can be anything... and a sexy one to boot?
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Old 01-20-2007, 05:07 PM   #109
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I think Bothan's idea of having villians with complex motives. A Revan, who sought to strengthen the Republic against the Sith. A currupt Jedi who sought to blind you to the Force in order to save the galaxy. Sith Lords did it well, as neither Atris nor Kreia could be said to have conquest in mind.
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Old 02-04-2007, 03:00 AM   #110
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Ok, so the revan boss idea gets some. The variance is another element that also gets some.

This is quite the conundrum I must say.

In a general way we're moving away from hot women on this thread--though I must admit this one got quite a bit of attention. The majority who said female said sexy and manipulative. Though I see it is still being kept alive by some. (Cheers!)

I'll lighten up for *a moment* on the no ridiculous--someone made me laugh with the idea off shoot of general greivous...general Beavis. (I wish I had photoshop--or maybe somebody can surprise us all, do it before I change my mind back!)

I'd say the human idea is getting worn a little thin. I mena it's just one right after another. Though when I look at what the hell is going on in the world today, it isn't hard to imagine why humans are considered to be the ultimate evil in this franchise.

I sort of liked the greivous idea--if only slightly, but add more legs a tail and some mobility--wings too perhaps. An odd scorpion/dinosaur/bird/menotaur (mentuar+centuar) creature is some idea for the physical type.


The idea of some unembodied entity...mmh, I don't know... Nice concept for an intriguing storyline. It would need some real personality or something. Somehow, I just don't see it coming to fruition of being realized. I can see where that's coming from.

Curse me if you want, but maybe sith who don't use darth? I.E. Ludo Kareesh, Exar Kun, Naga Sadow, Ajunta Pall, etc. A sith with another name type.

The doppleganger was sort of inspred by the lavender gel doppleganger boss in castlevania 3 for nes. (Remember that?) Of course a much better example might be the last boss of Zelda 2, where you had to fight your own sihlouette. It knew what you knew, but it was also much more aggressive and more powerful. Since I have seen a lot of metaphor and symbolism in the games and the movies and comics, I figure this one is as good as any. What it means is ultimately we are our own worst enemy. I think most people would agree. I suppose it could fit the newly found plotline discussed.

...now that I think about it, the nameless formless boss could be this--though the battle is not physical, but maybe in the astral plane of your player's dreaming mind?

Another idea here: Some wierd living portal thing (sort of inspired by the whole evil creative element as opposed to hunger) that feeds off the living and the dead, all their minds, and produces oddity creatures. Some could be sith bosses.

You ultimately must enter this portal from the regular world and destroy it from inside.

Or maybe it can't be destroyed but you must sacrifice yourself in the end to defeat it. It will change regardless of alignment.

OR Perhaps that is what has happened to everybody else and you will be the one and only to overcome and re-emerge. And that alters it, if not destroying it, to never again do what it's done.
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Old 03-13-2007, 02:15 PM   #111
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What if that "spirit" possessed one of your party (it could even be random to add replay value) and you had to fight it and choose either to kill that member or not?? If you have the oportunity to turn force sensitives into force users as you did in TSL you could end up fighting someone you trained.
Your persuasion and charisma could make the member fight the influence of it and weaken it (LS) or you could do it the hard way and hack him to pieces (DS).
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Old 03-15-2007, 05:22 PM   #112
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Sith spirit possessed crystal hidden inside the PC's lightsaber. Its like a your name crystal, but eventually it guides you towards a dark path.
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Old 03-15-2007, 07:26 PM   #113
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Sith spirit possessed crystal hidden inside the PC's lightsaber. Its like a your name crystal, but eventually it guides you towards a dark path.
That's railroading, meaning a fixed plot dicated to the player without choice or interaction. Which, put shortly, sucks. No thanks. I'll decide what my pc will or will not do. It could be different for the NPCs, but not for the character I control.


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Old 03-15-2007, 10:13 PM   #114
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Originally Posted by InyriForge
I'd personally love to see a Sith equivalent to Grand Admiral Thrawn. He is a master of battle, but his prowess comes from his tactics and his sheer intellect, not his brute strength. He is both charismatic and a true terror at once.

I suppose this is similar to what Sabretooth was getting at with Count Dooku. Count Dooku seemed much the same... except that he was a complete and utter moron. I would simply like to see a Sith Lord with more than "kill all," "conquer all," or "inflict pain on all" going through his head. Conquering the galaxy for such a Sith would not be his main object, but the journey, the game, would be the true prize. Like a galactic game of chess, I suppose. Maybe I just want to hear him say "checkmate".

I'm just so tired of the disfigured Sith Lord, or the Force God/Goddess. I would love to see a character that has a leg to stand on beyond their Force potential. Someone with depth of character and not just a cool look or an impressive Force attack.
Count Dooku wasn't a moron! He figured out Palpatine far before the Council did(if you've seen ep. 2 he mentions it to Kenobi), that's why he captured him later on in the clone wars. And he wasn't with the Jedi because of how blinded they were. They didn't litsen the way they should have and didn't adapt like the Sith like they should have! They were in a way arrogant and tryied too hard meditating to find the Sith Lord when he was right there on the highest seat of power long past his term. The problem Dooku had was he tried to do it himself and failed.

But back to the topic, I think it should be like a former ally of the Exile if possible, like say Atton or Mira's time spent with the Exile caused an unbalance in his/her force sensitivity causing them to become absorbed completely. Their minds overwhelmed by the power twists them physically and mentally to the point where they are no longer themselves, their true conciousness lying dormant underneath all the power that had taken over them. So basically its like the force and Atton/Mira merge together, and it causes them to pretty much go insane thinking that maybe they have become the force and want to restore balance themselves, only they do it by destroying everything that was touched by the force, light or dark to cleanse the galaxy and start over. While maybe the Sith themselves return once again with a new Dark Lord wanting to do the same thing, except these Sith have traveled from unknown space and have since conquered every planet in their path, for example they come across Onderon or Citadel Station and conquer it in days destroying all existence and/or enslaving potential force users. The Dark Lord senses you during hyperspace travel and decides then to track you down. That's all I got right now.


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