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Old 02-26-2007, 02:48 PM   #1
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What should the True Sith BE Like?

I didn't see anything directly relating to this topic in the forum, so I apologize if I missed it (in which case I would be more than willing to delete this thread or move it to the appropriate place).

As the title says, what should the True Sith be like? How should they act? This came from a thread in another Kotor III forum that I really liked and decided should be here as well. This is what I personally came up with:

I think the cold and passionless character of him is perfect. Jedi are like Buddhists, that try to remove all emotion through contemplation of nature (the force). Sith are Darwinian Romantics that embrace and revel in emotion as a tool to increase the potency of the force.

It would make sense that the true sith would be completely emotionless, just coldy calculating- in other words, true psychopaths. Unlike the jedi, they wouldn't deny their emotions because they are afraid of acting impartially, but because they aren't willing to surrender their judgement to anything outside themselves. Motivated purely by the drive for perfection and power. Not FEELING hate, because they NATURALLY hate everything besides themselves. Not feeling LUST, because all they care about are themselves.

I also like the idea of them NOT using lightsabers, since that would certainly help distinguish them, but I've got an alternative option. If any of you have played Planescape: Torment, then you know all about Dakkon's magical sword that is formed by will. I think it would be awesome if the True Sith all used these weapons- essentially wielding pure force WITHOUT an actual lightsaber. They could go from fighting you with a single-bladed weapon, then transition to a double-bladed one, then maybe a spear-type one. An additional feature would be that YOU wouldn't be able to wield these weapons unless you went fully dark side.

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Old 02-26-2007, 03:58 PM   #2
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Really wirked looking sith blades, how about it?

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Old 02-26-2007, 04:47 PM   #3
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Two words: Force Ghosts.

Never going to be accepted, but I do like to dream about them. It fits what the True Sith are supposed to be.


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Old 02-26-2007, 04:55 PM   #4
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True Sith should be like Bane and Sidious; cunning and insidious but fight when they need to.
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Old 02-26-2007, 07:48 PM   #5
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Larger, stronger, somewhat calmer (for example, like the emotionless beings the OP talked about) than most denizens of the galaxy. Should really be able to wield swords for wicked effect. In my eyes, they are soldiers who fight to win, not for honor. They're always looking for the advantage and staying calm so logic doesn't fly out the window so someone wont get the advantage on them.


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Old 02-27-2007, 03:21 AM   #6
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Sith are Sith lol, but the True Sith must be MORE evil than ever!
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Old 02-27-2007, 05:51 AM   #7
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I have followed this topic so far and I think the idea of making them emotionless and calm is a good thing to do. These are the things a Jedi must be as well to master the Light side. For a Sith it means he/she is disciplined and he/she doesn't loose control, cannot feel mercy, doesn't care about anything but themselves. I think the most dangerous thing of this Sith is because of his/her calm and emotionless nature he/she can be very difficult to detect for a Jedi. The Jedi might not see the evil nature in a True Sith, worse he/she could infiltrate the Jedi order.....
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Old 02-27-2007, 05:55 AM   #8
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I was thinking they're going to be like they were in the Tales of the Jedi comic book series. How much truer can you get?


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Old 02-27-2007, 08:12 AM   #9
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So how is that (for those of us that haven't read the comics)?
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Old 02-27-2007, 12:19 PM   #11
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I think they will most likely be descendants of the Sith from the Ancient Sith Empire.


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Old 02-27-2007, 03:53 PM   #12
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Again, this is an Allronix Theory (tm).

First of all, and there are two lines that keep bugging me - Jorak Uln's trick question "A True Sith never dies" and Kreia's scolding that "The Sith are a belief."

This is not going to war against an empire. It's going to war against an idea. You can kill the practitioners of an idea, but the idea itself cannot be killed. The "True Sith" are the idea that has existed since the Jedi were nothing more than a handful of monks on Tython.

The keepers of the True Sith are those who keep archives like the Trayus Academy, those who live the ideals and seek to draw in others. They are not True Sith, only followers of the ideal. Kreia would be one of these keepers. Atris was actually well on her way to becoming the same. There are VERY few of these lorekeepers, but Force help you if you run afoul of one.


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Old 02-28-2007, 03:14 AM   #13
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To be honest, I really do not know the diference between True Sith and Regular Sith. But if I had to make descriptions, I would say the True Sith have to be more powerful and more wiser. And also they have to be master practioners with the force and ESPECIALLY with the Lightsaber.
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Old 02-28-2007, 04:05 AM   #14
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Call me crazy, but I always envisioned the True Sith as a sort of cult made up of descendants of the original Sith from the comics. This cult would worship the personification of the Sith ideal: the Sith'ari.


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Old 02-28-2007, 06:10 AM   #15
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The True Sith should be like umm...the True Sith.

Meh, who cares? As long as they arenít kind-hearted, peace-loving, forgiving, over-generous meatbags, itís all good.

Iíll just say one thing. They should be evil, evidently.


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Old 02-28-2007, 09:39 AM   #16
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Old 02-28-2007, 10:18 AM   #17
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I have to agree with Alronix that the True Sith are an idea. From the way that Kreia talks about the Sith and also from what is said in the code of the Sith, it seems that the "True Sith" is simply the ideal that all Sith want to achieve.
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Old 02-28-2007, 10:29 AM   #18
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Old 02-28-2007, 11:06 AM   #19
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Perhaps less conversation about killing you (such as Malak's endless drivel) and more of the let's get to it mentality like Darth Maul.

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Old 02-28-2007, 01:24 PM   #20
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The way I figure it, the "True Sith" really shouldn't have anything to do with the Sith as we know them. Meaning that we should have absolutely no idea about their origins. Kinda like the Rathkata (or however it's spelled), in the sense that they are a society of Force sensitives (I think that's a must)-one that "naturally" adopted the use of darkside powers (kinda like the drow, to give an example). You don't become a True Sith, or join them, you are one by birth or not at all. Maybe they never knew of the Republic and it's star systems. Maybe they learned of it from one of the "original" Sith.

I'm pretty sure that is the implication (that they aren't at all related to the Sith as we know them) made in Kotor 2. Sure, the idea of the Sith will exist as long as the Force exists, because it is a different way of using the Force. So the True Sith in my mind would be everything that Sith attempt to be without even trying (mainly meaning powerful in the Force, specifically with the darkside, and also aggressive in terms of concrete power).
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Old 03-01-2007, 10:49 AM   #21
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First of all, and there are two lines that keep bugging me - Jorak Uln's trick question "A True Sith never dies" and Kreia's scolding that "The Sith are a belief."
In the first line, it should be noted that Jorak was stating that a true practitioner of Sith beliefs does not believe in the fact that will die. He considers himself all-powerful, all-conquering and immortal. Jorak was not referring to the "True Sith".

In the second line, Kreia is referring to Revan's Sith. Revan never encountered or hired the original Sith in his crusade against the Republic, like Exar Kun. But he shared the evil intensity, the hate against Jedi that was present in the only slice of True Sith the Republic had seen - Naga Sadow. Since there was not much knowledge about Ludo Kressh or his supporters, it was a general assumption that Sith are evil beasts, worshippers of the Dark Side and against the Jedi and the Republic. Exar Kun and Darth Revan took up the title of The Sith to represent their faction, so that they could forward the dark-sided legacy of the Sith. Moreover, the Sith were the only major dark-sided faction the Republic knew of.

Kreia says that the Revan and Exar followed the Sith ideology, but technically were not Sith themselves. The real Sith, are the true Sith and they are more than the ideology that Revan followed.


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Old 03-04-2007, 08:02 AM   #22
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I still think they should look a lot like the sith from the Sith Empire such as Ludo Kressh



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Old 03-04-2007, 08:35 AM   #23
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I agree with Jediphile. They should be ruthless and cold, and completely merciless and willing to do anything to further their own ends. Any loyalty would be given grudgingly, and only to someone far stronger who can aid their own plans. Erm. Machiavelli in a costume?



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Old 03-11-2007, 09:23 PM   #24
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Here's my take on the "true Sith":

Since it is obvious that these "true Sith" retreated into the Unknown Regions millenia prior to the Great Hyperspace War, perhaps it refers to the Legions of Lettow? Perhaps Xendor and his followers crossed paths with some of these travelers from the Sith race, and the two became one. They then constructed the Trayus Academy on Kashi, which was now barren of life after one of its suns went supernova (as, I believe, it is established that the Lettow had Kashi as their homeworld before they were defeated). And once Xendor was killed and they were defeated by the Jedi, they retreated into the Unknown Regions and established their own empire, having their own line of Dark Lords. In 2,000 BBY, they return to Republic space and are integrated into Ruin's new Sith cult when he unified all of the remaining Sith factions, including the True Sith, thus grafting his order onto that of the True Sith; and they ended with Sidious and Vader. Now we have a slightly different version of what I've presented, starting with Xendor, remaining in hiding for 23,000 years and returning, and having the Sith we see in the movies being a part of their order. Now this devalifies all known Sith and Sith Lords prior to Darth Ruin, making them all false. The Sith Lords that we see in the comics and games--Ajunta Pal, Marka Ragnos, Ludo Kresh, Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma, Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Darth Traya, Darth Nihilus, Darth Sion, etc.--they were not a part of Xendor's original line of succession, and are thus false. It isn't until the True Sith return to Republic space--however dwindled their numbers may have been since their war with Revan--in 2,000 BBY under the leadership of Darth Ruin, the rogue Jedi who united all Sith clans, that the True Sith are once again present as the Jedi's enemies. And of course, this line of succession continued on through Darth Bane's Rule of Two all the way up until Sidious. This explains how Anakin brought balance to the Force by destroying the Sith, breaking their line of succession, when it would appear to outside observers that this line had been broken and the Sith had been wiped out many times in the past, when really it was only false Sith who kept getting wiped out. And thus, Darth Krayt's Sith Order in the Legacy era are not true Sith, and neither are Lumiya or Jacen Solo.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and this would mean that Kashi is Malachor V.


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Just two conditions for me:
- Humans, not some sought of alien monster type thing.
- Desire to rule the galaxy, not some perverted desire to destroy everything.

If not:

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- Desire to rule the galaxy, not some perverted desire to destroy everything.
Or...try a new goal that might shock us all.


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Old 03-12-2007, 12:12 AM   #27
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Or...try a new goal that might shock us all.
It would have to be something evil... um... introduce Ashlee Simpson's singing to the SW Galaxy *shudders*.
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Just two conditions for me:
- Humans, not some sought of alien monster type thing.
- Desire to rule the galaxy, not some perverted desire to destroy everything.

If not:
Point 2 I agree, but Point 1 is rather meaningless. I mean would hate to see true sith being a giant pikachu nutjob or religious creackhead living inside the tummy of a crab or living planet or some mutated mechanical psycho the like. But any humanoid type would work fir me here, hack even spirits would work fine.
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It would have to be something evil... um... introduce Ashlee Simpson's singing to the SW Galaxy *shudders*.
Evil?

How about the True Sith are the Kelly Family... or any teen show created by Aaron Spelling...


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Old 03-17-2007, 12:57 PM   #30
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How about another "You Are The True Sith, You Are One OF US" plot... I mean, its becoming a habit.
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How about another "You Are The True Sith, You Are One OF US" plot... I mean, its becoming a habit.
Not to mention it works as a way to justify why you rise in power without being too unbelivable. Being of True Sith Blood is your "force connection", and could act as the reason why you're the only one to destroy the True Sith (only a True Sith can destroy the True Sith).


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Old 03-17-2007, 02:04 PM   #32
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The true sith should be distinguishable race... Not just some humans or other
races who follow the sith way... (They should look much like humans though)

They should be entirely force sensitive race... And they should think about
them selfs as master race and force all other races to worship them as gods
and or serve them as slaves...

They shouldn't mix with other races or teach their techniques and skills to
anyone else even if some members of those other races would be strong in
the force... (They should just destroy all other force sensitive peoples and
races...)

They should use different kind of technologies and force techniques than the
jedi and dark jedi (non true sith) and peoples in the republic.. (In many ways
superior...)
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They shouldn't mix with other races or teach their techniques and skills to
anyone else even if some members of those other races would be strong in
the force... (They should just destroy all other force sensitive peoples and
races...)
Genocide. That could be the most darkest aspect and curelest aspect of K3.

EDIT: And it's not the genocide of Darth Nihilus, he eats for hunger. It's a cold, manlipatuive, smart genocide...like Takrin ordering for the destruction of Alderran.


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Old 03-17-2007, 02:40 PM   #34
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The true sith should be distinguishable race... Not just some humans or other
races who follow the sith way... (They should look much like humans though)

They should be entirely force sensitive race... And they should think about
them selfs as master race and force all other races to worship them as gods
and or serve them as slaves...

They shouldn't mix with other races or teach their techniques and skills to
anyone else even if some members of those other races would be strong in
the force... (They should just destroy all other force sensitive peoples and
races...)
Meh. That sounds too much like genocidal, anarchistic types to me. Besides, we already know that the true Sith are manipulative and insidious.

And if they are the descendants of the old Sith Empire and thus has ties to the original sith species, then we already know that they've interbred with the human dark jedi exiled from the Republic after the Hundred Years Darkness. They would look distinctly alien, however. Even Naga Sadow, who looked a lot more human than most, clearly had non-human ancestors.


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Old 03-18-2007, 12:02 PM   #35
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Leeland Chi has stated that they have nothing to do with the Old Sith Empire. They built the Trayus Academy and retreated into the Unknown Regions long before Marka Ragnos and Naga Sadow.

That's why I still think it has something to do with the Legions of Lettow.


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Leeland Chi has stated that they have nothing to do with the Old Sith Empire. They built the Trayus Academy and retreated into the Unknown Regions long before Marka Ragnos and Naga Sadow.
Leland Chee has said many peculiar things, but Kreia actually mentions the old Sith Empire in relation to the true Sith.

And since the idea of some uber-Sith who have somehow mysteriously been in hiding for millennia upon millennia sounds too much like a DS-fans wet dream to me, I prefer they simply build on the basis of what seems to make the most sense to me.

Some unknown uber-race of Sith is just boring, dull and hopelessly unoriginal IMHO. In short: Yuck!


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I agree, I'm just worried that all this true Sith love's gonna some how get my my beloved tales of the Jedi retconned. I mean the Jedi V's Sith( Battle of Ruusan/ Reformation of the Republic) comic series was published because all comics, novels and even a new hope states that the republic has stood for a thousand generations( 25.000 yrs) then in AOTC Palpatine says Its only stood for a thousand years. So if GL likes the idea, then it will get made regardless of cannon


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Old 03-19-2007, 12:32 AM   #38
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I always wondered why Palpatine said the Republic had only stood for a thousand years. Perhaps there was a brief moment of no Republic or a civil war. Maybe he was saying that the Republic has not been interrupted in a thousand years, meaning no civil war or breakups. So perhaps there was a civil war a thousand years before the Clone Wars.....ahhh another KOTOR storyline.

Anyways, about the True Sith. We really don't know who they are. It is possible the True Sith are actually..the Real Sith (the species) but we can't really say that because supposedly they died out ages ago. Some have said the True Sith are an idea, but if they are an idea then why would Revan go out to destroy "them". So obviously there is a powerful force beyond known space that has been following the ways of the sith. Now we can easily say these True Sith are the original sith, the dark jedi who were expelled from the Republic.

Whoever they are, they are powerful, wise, and above all...mysterious. I can't wait to find out who they are. Their huge empire is emptied planets, abandoned academies, so they are waiting for something....waiting very far away, for the right moment. It wouldn't suprise me if Palpatine is a "true sith" or a creation of the true sith.

So anyways, I really hope they come out with a KOTOR III and IV to explain all of this..I love Star Wars Lore that isn't explained.
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I always wondered why Palpatine said the Republic had only stood for a thousand years. Perhaps there was a brief moment of no Republic or a civil war.
Yes, that's what the Jedi V's Sith comics cover, There's a galaxy wide war between the two groups, after the Sith are destroyed (all but Darth Bane) democracy is reinstalled, they called it the Ruusan reformation, and put the Calender's back to year 1, the "(RE)formation of the Republic"



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If Kreia's speculation is correct, Revan went about studying the ways of the Sith, named himself "Darth", and tried to forge an empire out of the Republic because he became aware of these "unknown" Sith and believed them to be a threat to the fate of the galaxy. Of course, being twisted by the Dark Side, we can't be certain about the truth of such implications, but it's out there, and if true, likely makes these True Sith a lot more bad*** than anything we've previously seen.

My personal belief is that they are the descendants of those who built the tombs on Korriban who in turn are of the Sith species, or descendants of the Sith species...and while retaining a number of physical characteristics of the Sith species to mark them as "different," appear largely human as a result of a couple thousand years of interbreeding.

Culturally and philosophically they therefore would fall closest to the Marka Ragnos/Ludo Kressh/Naga Sadow line of Sith and Dark Side Force users. My impression, however, differs from others stated. I would classify these Sith more along the lines of "fanatical" than cold, calculating, and heartless. The Sith whom the exiled Jedi encountered treated, maybe even worshipped, those Jedi as gods. I'm not versed enough in the EU to know whether that's how they viewed Ragnos, Kressh, and Sadow, but by virtue of the tombs on Korriban it would seem that the Dark Lords of the Sith were still revered as entities of great power at that time.

So in my mind, I'm thinking that rather than typical political and military channels, espionage, and treachery, the True Sith are believers in more abstract causes as a means to power, like "divine right" and the "glory of the Dark Side" and other similar concepts put forward by religious fanatics for why they must conquer the world. I can imagine that rather than just follow the tennets of the Dark Side philosophy like the line of Sith Revan spawned, they might actually "worship" the Dark Side in a manner of speaking.
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