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Old 06-02-2007, 07:18 PM   #1
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[WIP] Storyline mod - Help needed

Hello there!
I am making a mod for K1 that takes place after the credits. It's a storyline mod with new planets, sidequests and much more.

But this would be far too hard to do alone so therefore I am gathering a little team. I need help with:

--Scripting--
Simon92
Sekan
Mindtwistah
swfan28

--Module editing--
Mindtwistah

--Dialogs--
Hando
marasu93
SilentScope001
swfan28
Allronix
Mindtwistah
Sekan

--Skins--
DarthDingDong
Simon92
mattz

--Ideas--
MBaker
Lord_Fear
Gargoyle_king
Christos k
Bobby Pendragon
SilentScope001
ThoraxeRMG
Mindtwistah

--Voices--
marasu93
Simon92
Lord_Fear
ThoraxeRMG
Mindtwistah

--Characters--
Hando
Lord_Fear
Simon92
swfan28
Mindtwistah

--Beta testing--
Hando
swfan28
Mindtwistah
Quatra

--Lips(possibly)--

--Item stats/Item making--
DarthDingDong
marasu93
Mindtwistah
swfan28

--Movies--

--Sounds--

--Voiceedit--
Lord_Fear

"Possibly" means that I am not sure if I will put it in the mod.

If you can help, post here.

Story:

After the battle of Rakata Prime, the jedi council get visions. Visions of a rebuilt star forge, of war, of the destruction of the galaxy.
This was discussed in the council. They understood that this was the visions of the future. A group of jedi, including Revan, were sent to find out more about this. They eventually found out that plans of the star forge had been stolen by some sith survivors from the star forge. Now they must stop these sith from taking over the galaxy.

You will travel to many planets in search for these plans, including Yavin 4, M4-78, Korriban, Ordo, Alderaan, Coruscant and Mon Calamari.
You will fly in the republic hammerhead Nighteye

I was thinking on deleting the old planets.

There will be several new recruits. All your old party members will be replaced.

The mod will only "trigger" if you destroy the star forge the light side way.

Name suggestions: There is no name for the mod yet. You can post your suggestions.

Suggestions so far:

Plans of evil

Hunt for the plans

A new threat

The Sith never die

Revenge of the fallen

Star Forge Reborn

The Lost Chapters



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Old 06-05-2007, 05:59 AM   #2
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I can beta test if you want, i have a working kotor and i played it so many times that i go through all quests

I might have an idea for the mod name. How about "The Sith Never Die"
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Old 06-05-2007, 07:36 AM   #3
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Old 06-05-2007, 08:14 AM   #4
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Here's some spoilers for the game. I will update this post when I get new ideas.


The sith need the force to fuel the star forge. So that is why they are stealing many powerful jedi and sith tools.


Planets:


Alderaan:

This mod will be made of the Dantooine modules.

Story: The jedi put many holocrons in a cave somewhere in Alderaan, in case they would die during the
Jedi civil war. Now the sith want it to fuel the star forge.

Main Quest: You will start at the spaceport. There you can ask around a little bit. Eventually you will find out that
there is a cave with jedi artifacts on Alderaan. You will have to go there. There you will fight some sith guys.
The sith will choke you and escape.

Side quests: There is a weapon storage on Alderaan. You will need to find 5 datapads with the codes to unlock the door.
The best items in the game is in that storage. But it will be extremly hard to find the datapads.


A little kid has lost his toy-blaster. If you find it for him you will get some light side points and 25 credits.


There are creatures killing the farmers on Alderaan. You can kill all of these creatures for 2500 credits and LS points.
I have not decided what creatures it will be.







Korriban:

This mod will be made of the Korriban modules (duh)


Story: After the death of lord Uthar the sith on Korriban started a civil war. "The strongest shall lead the sith" they thought. This resulted
in every siths death on Korriban.


Main quest: The sith are stealing sith artifacts to fuel the star forge. You will enter the sith academy.
There you will find many sith that are stealing artifacts. You will fight them. It will be very tough, when the siths are as strong as Malak.




M4-78:

This mod will be made of the Taris modules and the Tatooine spaceport module.


Story: The sith are recruiting droids that will build the star forge. You will have to stop them.


Main quest: You will start at the spaceport. There a droid asks you if you are a recruiter. You ask what he means
and he'll say that many sith has come to recruit droids to build something large. You will have to go through the
sewers with many enemy droids and in to the droid controll station. There you will learn that the sith are changing
the droids programming so they will follow them. You will fight the sith. Then the droids will attack you. They will
never quit respawning. The only way to stop them is to shut down the main power reactor. You walk to a console and do
that. But then the whole base is starting to explode. When you walk out from the base you cannot walk in again.
The leader of the droids will thank you and give you a "gift". A android that looks like a human but has awsome skills.

This will probably be the hardest planet since ultradroids are spawning and the sith are as strong as Malak.



Side quests: A droid is damaged. If you can help him, by having a repair skill of 20, you will get 500 creds and LS points.



Mon Calamari:

This mod will be made of the modules of Manaan.


Story: The sith are helping the Quarren to launch a full scale attack at the Mon Calamarians city in exchange for minerals for the Star Forge.


Main quest: Your first objective is to fight the Quarrens and stop them from taking over the city. Then you will have to face the sith.
The fight against the Quarrens will be very hard, but you will have many jedi, republic troopers and Mon Calamaris fighting at your side.
After you killed all of the Quarrens you will be rewarded with 10000 credits by the president of Mon Calamari. Then you will have to go to the
sith mineral base and fight them.


Side quests: There will be many sidequests because this is a very populated planet. I am open for suggestions about new sidequests.


Ordo:

This mod will be made of the Tatooine modules.


I have no ideas of what to make with this mod. Maybe the sith will recruit mandalorian mercenaries here. I'm open for suggestions.




Yavin 4:

This mod will be made of Kashyyk modules, Lehon (Unkown planet) modules and the Tatooine rakatan temple.

Story: There are many sith relics and artifacts from Exar Kun and Naga Sadow on Yavin 4.

Main quest: You will land on a beach. Then you will have to kill all the sith that are gathering artifacts.
In the forest there are several sith lords gathering artifacts. You will have to kill them. There is many lightsaber crystals on corpses in the forest.
In the Massasi temple you will be attacked by many sith lords. After you have killed them Massassi warriors will attack you. They are extremly hard to kill.
When you killed the Massassi warriors Exar Kuns ghost will appear. It will tell you that you are worthy of being a sith lord. If you say yes you will get dark side points.
If you say no you will get light side points. Either way he will attack you. On his corpse you will find Exar Kunds lightsaber.


Side quests: Suvam Tam is collecting artifacts. You can help him find a crystal that lies in the forest. For that you will get 5000 credits.



Coruscant:

This mod will be made of the Taris modules.


Story: Coruscant is like the "base planet". Here lies the jedi council, here you can get training and new force powers in the jedi academy,
here you can get equipment and many other things.

Main quest: You will learn by a force sensetive Rakata, training in the jedi academy, that Coruscant was once a member of the Infinite Empire.
The council will send you on a mission to locate a lost jedi in the lower levels. There you will find a sith lord that talks to other sith lords.
You listen to the conversation and hear them speak about a starmap on Coruscant. They will discover that you are listening and attack you.
Then you will have to go to the lowest level on Coruscant, to a cave where the starmap is located. You will find it and many siths that are draining force from it.
They will use lightning on you and escape.

Side quests: There will be around 20 sidequests since Coruscant is a heavily populated planet.


Fight in the jedi arena. After 10 hard fights you will be champion. After each fight you win you will be rewarded with a new forcepower.

Find the holocron. A young padawan has lost his jedi holocron. You will have to find it. You will get a lightsaber crystal if you find it.

Missing younglings. Younglings of the jedi temple has ran away into Coruscant city. Find them all and you will be rewarded with 2 lightsabers.




Updating soon.

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Old 06-05-2007, 08:32 AM   #5
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M4-78:


This mod will be made of the M4-78 modules (duh)


Story: The sith are recruiting droids that will build the star forge. You will have to stop them.
Umm... You want to make this for K1 yeah? Sorry to burst your bubble... but the M4-78 module's aren't in K1 and we're not allowed to port assets from 1 game to the other, ohh great thats the second time I've said that this weak, this time I'm counting, lol.

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Old 06-05-2007, 09:34 AM   #6
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Sounds good, but you'll need a large team to create a mod of this size.

I could help with dialogs, scripting, character and item stats and beta testing. I'm quite good with dlg-edit, but my scripting skills are somewhat limited. I have no experience of skinning or creating models though...

I have an additional idea for the storyline: The Sith could be using the technology copied from the Star Forge to absorb and store force energy for corrupting their followers and powering the Rakatan technology while the new Star Forge is being constructed. Something similar to the Marka Ragnos' scepter seen in Jedi Academy. This could enventually help the Sith discover techniques to feed on the Force as seen in TSL (assassins, Nihilus). This would also provide a reason for the Sith to plunder the remains of the Jedi and Sith.
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There are creatures killing the farmers on Alderaan. You can kill all of these creatures for 2500 credits and ls points.
I have not decided what creatures it will be.
A Kinrath invasion would be a logical choice. Just something bit different from K2 though. Maybe a quest to rescue some farmers trapped by the beasts. I was first thinking of laigreks, but we can't use models from TSL.
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Umm... You want to make this for K1 yeah? Sorry to burst your bubble... but the M4-78 module's aren't in K1 and we're not allowed to port assets from 1 game to the other, ohh great thats the second time I've said that this weak, this time I'm counting, lol.
Some of Taris modules could propably be made to mimic M4-78. Especially indoor areas.
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Some of Taris modules could propably be made to mimic M4-78. Especially indoor areas.
Yeah you could do whatever to mimic M4-78 i was just pointing out that you can't actually use the M4-78 modules.

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Umm... You want to make this for K1 yeah? Sorry to burst your bubble... but the M4-78 module's aren't in K1 and we're not allowed to port assets from 1 game to the other, ohh great thats the second time I've said that this weak, this time I'm counting, lol.

Damnit! Forgot that M4 isn't for K1

But the planet will still be there, now I just have to find suitable modules. Someone got a suggestion?

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I have an additional idea for the storyline: The Sith could be using the technology copied from the Star Forge to absorb and store force energy for corrupting their followers and powering the Rakatan technology while the new Star Forge is being constructed. Something similar to the Marka Ragnos' scepter seen in Jedi Academy. This could enventually help the Sith discover techniques to feed on the Force as seen in TSL (assassins, Nihilus). This would also provide a reason for the Sith to plunder the remains of the Jedi and Sith.
Yes, that is what they do. They suck out the force of powerfull things and use it to make their followers stronger and to power the building of the Star Forge.

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Some of Taris modules could propably be made to mimic M4-78. Especially indoor areas.
Yes, that is a wounderful idea. The sewers and the Black Vulkars base.
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Old 06-05-2007, 10:27 PM   #9
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Cool ideas. Is this mod going to trigger after the end of the game, or is it going to be accessed by starting a new game? If it is a post-game mod, keep in mind the maximum level is hardcoded at 20 for K1 (to my knowledge, anyway). Also, I'm not too bad at re-skinning some things. I'm kind of new at it, though.

Anyway, great idea.
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Cool ideas. Is this mod going to trigger after the end of the game, or is it going to be accessed by starting a new game?

It will trigger if you destroyed the star forge and get those medals by Dodonna.

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Also, I'm not too bad at re-skinning some things. I'm kind of new at it, though.
It's ok. Any help is needed. Should I put you up on "skins" on the list?
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:02 AM   #11
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It is cool if you wanna put me up there. But, I warn you, this next month will prob be pretty busy for me with some classes. And I don't know how good I am at skinning. Up to this point, I've only done some head and body reskins -- also ignorant of most model operations. I will gladly help with everything I can.

Thanks.

I'm working on and have done some skins that might work for some NPCs and Sith Masters. I'll get some screenshots when I get them done and PM them to you if you would like.
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Old 06-08-2007, 01:41 PM   #13
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Sounds like a good idea, your gonna need a lot of help if it is to succeed and you'll need a lot of patience and organization to pull it through (or end up with dead projects such as Gsccc's "Rise of the Sith" TSL TC). I don't know how to mod at all and probs never will, but if you ever need any help plotwise, PM me and i could give ideas on plot development, character development, quests etc. if it will help you at all.
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Old 06-08-2007, 01:47 PM   #14
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I have a good sidequest for Coruscant simmilar to one in Jedi Knight Jedi Academy. The Jedi council asks you to retrieve the Lighten Crystal from the sith that stole it. You can start the quest by asking any member of the council. "I heard the Sith have stolen one of our artifacts?" they reply "Yes, can you take care of this Revan?" you can reply "Sure Master is will be the first on my list." the Jedi Replies "Thankyou, there is a reward of 5000 credits and a lightsaber crystal." The lightsaber crystal is the same. or "Oh fine only if there is a reward." then the Jedi reply "Yes there is a reward of 5000 credits and a lightsaber crystal." The lightsaber crystal is a longsaber crystal that makes your saber do 24-40 damage. the Lightsaber crystal is Dark Green. or you can say "Yah... I dont think so." Then you leave. The Sith are trapping Rancors. There will 5 Rancors. Each one is in the same room as the Taris sewers. Each time you defeat a rancor 3 Sith Master come out of the door behind the Rancor. They are each as powerful as Darth Bandon. Once you defeat them you go to the door behind them open it and go to the elevator which goes to the next level with another Rancor. After you defeat all 5 Rancors and all the Sith Masters, A Rakaton comes and has a orange double bladed lightsaber. He uses statis on your party members and then force push on them. Then the Rakaton says in his own laguage "You will not get past me Revan!!!!" He is as strong as Malak. Once you kill him you get to the last door and open it there is an elavator that leads to a Sith Base. The same as the one used on Taris. In here you battle many Sith Masters and Sith then you get to one door and there is an elavator in the door. You use it and it takes you to where you battle malak in the Star Forge. In the room there is someone that looks like Malak. He has all black armor instead of red. A purple longsaber. And the same stats as Malak. He speaks and says "If you have came for this crystal... It all has been for nothing." You can reply "I have also came for your head." or "Hand over the crystal I have no need do battle with you." he replies to both as "Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! I think not." He closes the door on your part members and the battle starts. There are not half dead jedi in the room. The background the used to be the space battle is now black. Once you kill him he says with is last breath. "He he... Malak was righ." Without knowing what he meant you take the crystal from his corpse and leave. You take the crystal back to the Jedi Council and say "In order for me to do this much blood shed fell. This I am not pleased with this." or "Thankyou for giving me this mission my training in battle excelled. Now I will leave, take the crystal..." one of the Jedi Masters reply and say "Thanyou Revan, this item is a precious crystal that can not only power a lightsaber but it also enlightens the user." You can reply "Then why did the Sith take it?" then you leave. Or "Whatever at least my lightsaber had some fun." then you leave. I am thinking you can hook up where the light and dark side points go.


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Great idea Christos.


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Old 06-10-2007, 04:17 PM   #16
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I also have some other ideas for other planets and I was wondering if there will be a super boss at the end of the mod?


"It's the one that says Bad Mother ****er." - Jules Winnfield... Describing his wallet, Pulp Fiction.
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Yes, the leader of the new sith. It will be a human female. She is the one with the plans for the star forge. She will be around 15 times stronger than Malak. You will probably fight her for 10 minutes and die trying a lot of times :P

But first you will fight her padawan, a Rakatan male that is in charge for the building of the star forge. He will be 10 times harder than Malak.

About your ideas, write them here.


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Yes, the leader of the new sith. It will be a human female. She is the one with the plans for the star forge. She will be around 15 times stronger than Malak. You will probably fight her for 10 minutes and die trying a lot of times :P

But first you will fight her padawan, a Rakatan male that is in charge for the building of the star forge. He will be 10 times harder than Malak.

About your ideas, write them here.
May i make a slight suggestion. Human Sith are so commonplace, why don't you try to opt for something else? The "New Sith Order" contains one very interesting red female sith twilek "Darth Talon" (complete with sith tatoos) that i think would be better to model off, plus this way you can just re-use female twilek audio and lypsynch instead of recording new dialogue that would save you a lot of them and stress in the long-run.

- Here's a pic of the sith in question:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Talon

-And another:
http://www.uploadpics.com/9592143

Just a slight suggestion that might help you out.
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May i make a slight suggestion. Human Sith are so commonplace, why don't you try to opt for something else? The "New Sith Order" contains one very interesting red female sith twilek "Darth Talon" (complete with sith tatoos) that i think would be better to model off, plus this way you can just re-use female twilek audio and lypsynch instead of recording new dialogue that would save you a lot of them and stress in the long-run.

- Here's a pic of the sith in question:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Talon

-And another:
http://www.uploadpics.com/9592143

Just a slight suggestion that might help you out.
Also someone made a Darth Talon re skin, if you find it you could ask permission from the author to use it in your mod.

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May i make a slight suggestion. Human Sith are so commonplace, why don't you try to opt for something else? The "New Sith Order" contains one very interesting red female sith twilek "Darth Talon" (complete with sith tatoos) that i think would be better to model off, plus this way you can just re-use female twilek audio and lypsynch instead of recording new dialogue that would save you a lot of them and stress in the long-run.

- Here's a pic of the sith in question:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Talon

-And another:
http://www.uploadpics.com/9592143

Just a slight suggestion that might help you out.
Sounds good. You are right, humans are to common. But is there any red Twi'lek skins in the game?


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Sounds good. You are right, humans are to common. But is there any red Twi'lek skins in the game?
There was a mod that was made to put Darth Talon as a selectable PC Head:
http://lucasforums.com/showthread.ph...1&page=1&pp=40

P.S. The download link has seemd to have problems so if you can't download it PM and i can send it to you as i have that mod.

EDIT: Found another link for the mod:
http://customize.addondb.com/582/dar...selectable-pc/

I don't think there was a lethan twilek model in K1 or TSL (if memory serves me), but you could ask the author for permission to use the mod and then use the full DS transition for the sith character in your game. The mod is for TSL, but you can just use the model and port it to K1 (since it's a mod porting it won't be illegal).

Hope This Helps!
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Name suggestions: There is no name for the mod yet. You can post your suggestions.
Hi there, i have a suggestion for a name; "Revenge of the Fallen" - this pointing to the new Sith empire that rises after the fall of the star forge against the newly redempted Revan and the Jedi Order.

Are you going to have alignment options in your storyline mod? Like in K1 where you have the option to stay on the path of light or fall to the DS? It would be really cool if you could, given the choice, join the new Sith empire somewhere in the game and go against the Jedi order and the Republic to reclaim your throne as Revan, the True Lord of the Sith.
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I wonder if this could tie into K1 in some way. Since, well, I doubt K3 is ever going to come, one could tie this story to explain why Revan (canonically) is going to leave the Unknown Regions to battle the True Sith.

If you try some sort of juryrig, "True Sith" would be a good title then.


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I wonder if this could tie into K1 in some way. Since, well, I doubt K3 is ever going to come, one could tie this story to explain why Revan (canonically) is going to leave the Unknown Regions to battle the True Sith.

If you try some sort of juryrig, "True Sith" would be a good title then.
But wouldn't doing that for TSL make more sense. I think for the mod to work it would have to fit in-between the 5 year time piece between K1 & TSL, otherwise there would be inconsistencies with TSL.
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Hi there, i have a suggestion for a name; "Revenge of the Fallen" - this pointing to the new Sith empire that rises after the fall of the star forge against the newly redempted Revan and the Jedi Order.

Are you going to have alignment options in your storyline mod? Like in K1 where you have the option to stay on the path of light or fall to the DS? It would be really cool if you could, given the choice, join the new Sith empire somewhere in the game and go against the Jedi order and the Republic to reclaim your throne as Revan, the True Lord of the Sith.
If I get much help I will have alignment options. Or else it will only be lightside way. With my current team, alignment options would add a year to build this mod.


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I wonder if this could tie into K1 in some way. Since, well, I doubt K3 is ever going to come, one could tie this story to explain why Revan (canonically) is going to leave the Unknown Regions to battle the True Sith.

If you try some sort of juryrig, "True Sith" would be a good title then.
Now that you mention it. I could make something like that the true sith are helping these new sith to build their star forge and weaken the republic for the true siths attack on the galaxy.

But in that case, it will be mentioned in the end.


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I am making and have screenshots prepared to upload at a filehost for female sith lord (or possibly something else). I don't have time to put them up before work, but as soon as I get home -- hopefully real soon, I will post the pics. There are a few choices that I would like feedback on.

Sorry, for the tease post; but Mindtwistah pmed me to work on some things, and didn't want to pm him back without anything to show. But then I checked the thread and saw that the topic had arrived at just what I was working on, I decided to go ahead and post.
Sorry again for not showing anything yet, but I just wanted to let everyone know something is in the works.

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Mindtwistah pmed me about making a Massassi warrior a few days ago. I was not sure if it could be done and still don't as I know very little about modeling. Can new models be added, or is it possible to modify an existing model enough to create Massassi warriors, anybody know?
Keep in mind, my star wars mythology knowledge is pretty much relegated to these two games and the movies (and wookieepedia). But after reading the wookieepedia enty on Massassi, especially the entry on Kalgrath, I thought that maybe following Exar Kun's annihilation of Massassi, the only ones left on Yavin 4 could be mutated versions of Massassi. Then, maybe if new models aren't a possibility we could fudge and use a reskinned Terentatek or similar model for the adults, and a red, non-shiny Rakghoul reskinned for the adolescents. Just a thought. I was also thinking that Massassi or half-Massassi could come from another planet and are repopulating Yavin 4 using force rituals -- that's where the Rakghouls come in. These Massassi "witches" were what I was working on when I checked the thread (sorry Mindtwistah for the not replying to your pm. I got started and then I just got carried away with tweaking it).

Okay, here's what I have so far, there are three versions of the head, and can be used as Massassi witches, main Sith baddie (possibly a Vultan like Zona Luka, or a Sith or Massasi species), or not at all. Feedback is always welcome, but please be gentle (not too gentle) -- I'm just a noobie (and I've got sensitive feelings hehe ). Also, the three outfits are only really quick desaturations and darkens -- mainly for my own reference. I'm not sure how the pics will show up or if they will be links, as this is my first picture post. If there is a preferred method, I will gladly edit this post to accomodate the thread.




here's a pic from the side with "striped" tentacles (quills, skin flaps, whatever)




here's a pic from the back with no "stripes" -- the hairline is the same as the striped




here's a couple where the tentacle things are shorter -- I can give her a haircut but sadly cannot lengthen them. Also, because of the way the model is mapped, the tentacles and the length of them are all controlled by the same one.






Here's one with all three from a distance




Here is a pic that reveals a possibly problematic situation. In certain lighting and angles the hair line of the original head -- I used the third black female pc head as a base -- is visible and creates a ridged look to it. At first the ridge bugged me, but the more I worked on it, I started thinking about the character as alien more and more -- so it feels kind of justified. Anyway, I couldn't figure out how to remove it, but here is a pic showing it at probably its most noticeable.



Any suggestions would be appreciated.



This is unrelated to the Sith above, but relevant to the thread. One of the things that first caught my attention was that you were planning on having a droid that looked human. I made a personal recruitment mod a long, long time ago that was very similar. Unreleased, it was tentatively called "recruit Duan" (she's the bossy/flirty Sith in the cantina).
Duan could wield lightsabers and had upgrades that were unique to her that were supposed to improve her lightsaber abilites like blaster bolt reflect skills and attack. I made armor and masks that were restricted to her - and since she looks human - they can be made to change her body and mask appearance -- like normal human NPC armor and masks.
The only problematic thing was that wearing a normal droid item (non-custom) in the head slot would put this crazy model of the droid item above "her" head. This could possibly be fixed, either by replacing all the different droid "head" items with blank .mdl and .mdx files -- if this is possible, OR try and replace the .mdl and .mdx files of the droid items to the masks, OR if that won't work (be compatible with normal droids' bodies, like HK) we could make all new custom Android items that replicate all the old droid head items in abilities but are mask models, and place them in tandem with the traditional droid item. The last idea seems the most hackish, but if it gets the job done...
Anyway, if you would like some assistance or what-have-you, I would enjoy being involved in the new creation -- I have some past experience and I saved my files. Since making the old personal "recruit Duan" mod, I have learned more about 2da, utc, uti editing to make my original idea much better. Just let me know.

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Some of this is taken from a pm I sent Mindtwistah. He (she, sorry maybe) told me that I should post it here. The pm was about how to level a character beyond the 20 levels. I know that it isn't possible currently, but I think we could simulate it.

I think that it might be possible to start the mod as a new game. The player would pick a normal class - soldier, scoundrel, scout -- and go through normal character creation. The game would start. Then the player would talk through a dialogue with a Jedi Master (or various Masters) that outlines the events of the first game, what Jedi class Revan chose (character chooses), what she/he did on certain planets, etc. This dialogue could come across to the players as the Jedi Council wanting to make sure Revan's mind is still stable and he/she has not relapse into amnesia or hasn't strayed from the light path -- think of this as maybe a cross between Atton's dialog about the sabers, etc. in TSL, and Bastila's test where she asks you where you're from and you can tell her that you're a Hutt and really old. At the end of the dialogue(s) the player would have accumulated a multi-class, some items from the "original game", maybe some DS points(very few, possibly for lying)or LS points, and a bunch of XP.

Then the player would level Revan up for the first three - five levels. We would adjust the featgain.2da ,classpowergain.2da, maybe so that the first couple levels would grant more feats, spells, etc. for those first levels.

Also, editing the feat.2da and spells.2da, we would need to remove the minimum level restrictions on all the feats and force powers (or at least the ones we still would want available at the beginning). We could also control how many granted feats a class recieves and which ones they acquire upon class selection on the feat.2da.

We could basically simulate the 20 levels or as much of those that we want in about 4 or 5 levels (maybe even less). 1 to 3 (2 to 2) ratio for Revan's Non-Jedi/Jedi Multiclass. Then the player would have 15 or so levels to play through the mod.

We could also adjust the XP gaining 2das to fit our wishes with how fast we want Revan and his new party (npc.2da controls how much XP NPCs get compared to the PC (80% is default))to advance through the mod.

If anyone is still reading , which 2das does KOTOR use --there are exptable.2da, xptable.2da, xpbaseconst.2da?

I have not used the Skip Taris mod for K1, but I've used the skip Peragus mod for tsl, and also one of the "padawan mods" for K1. If you have used any of these, think of this as a Skip K1 + Padawan Mod combination to simulate maybe what we are going for.

5 Issues we would need to address
Main One: Party Members. All of the characters would be reliant upon the same guidelines. All of the leveling up rules that would apply to the PC in the first levels would apply to the NPCs in your party. All NPCs would have feat and force power minimums set the same as the PCs -- based on Class. As I take it, this wouldn't be too bad, because this mod will be hard and the party members will need to be just as tough as the PC. Training party members to be jedi (if that is something that may happen) might not work out quite right, but that is an issue we can deal with later.

Second Issue: Skills. I'm not sure how skills and DC ratings technically work. But we could start these at the bottom and just keep it like how it is in the normal game. Plus, All we can really do is control how many points each class gets per level, which ones are class specific, among other things, but no "per level" table. Can a script permanently raise skill points??

Third Issue: Saving Throws. Basically same as skills, though we have a level to level control over these. If we want the first few levels to dole out a bunch of saving throws and then progress through the next levels improving by 1 per level or whaterver like in the normal game, we can do that.

Fourth Issue: Feats. What happens when a player runs out of feats to pick on the level up screen? Does it freeze up? If this becomes an issue, maybe we could resolve it by making up dummy feats to use with specialty items (Like a certain type of new weapon, maybe). I read a thread about one of the methods for creating a flamethrower armband, and for some reason that was brought up, and it stuck with me.

Fifth Issue: Hit Points and Force Points. I am not sure how we will want to change this. I don't know if Scripting can permanently raise the PCs hit points or give force points. These can be controlled with 2das, but I'm pretty sure it is set up like Skill points.

Issue 5.5: Attribute Bonuses. I believe the bonus points that you recieve at certain levels (like every four, I think) is hardcoded into the game. But is there a script to grant attribute bonuses permanently? I don't know how important these points are, but just trying to think of all the things you recieve throughout the game.

This mod idea would probably work best if we eliminated the original planets (or give them all new makeovers), and there would be no problems with past quests and such.

Let me know what you think. If any of this is wrong, please inform me.

So SORRY for the LONG POST

Note to the Team: I can work on this if no one else can or too busy, but I have minimal time for about the next two weeks. I can give help if someone wants to start. But if not, I'll work on this when classes finish. I would like some help, even if it is just testing to see how it works.
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Interesting idea for a mod... I'll be following it... but sadly I can do nothing to help you as my computer is down, except come up with ideas... but you seem to have that down.
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You should add a possibility in where you can activate Tulak Hord's Holocron! And then learn his secret Lightsaber techniques.


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More people who can help?
I can help with the storyline and the choosing of planets.


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I kind of edited the story points!

The Sith need the force to fuel their new "Star Forge". But they need a high amount of Force energy, and that's why they must collect any Sith/Jedi artifacts that would give off a Force Nexus.

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Alderaan
This mod will be made of the Dantooine modules.
Story: The Jedi hid many Holocrons, and some of them stored informations about rituals that could enable one to fuse a object or place with a high concetrated amount of Force energies; making it a powerful Force Nexus. They placed the Holocrons in a secret Jedi enclave on Alderaan, in case they would be wiped out during the Second Sith War (Jedi Civil War).
Soon the Sith found about it's whereabouts and now they plan to use the Holocrons to power up the Second Star Forge.

Main Quest: You will start at the spaceport. There you can ask around a little bit. Eventually you will find out that enclave with Jedi artifacts on Alderaan. You will have to go there. There you will fight some Sith, there one of the Sith will curse Revan (You) for killing Malak, then he will use Force Push on you and escape.

Side quests: There is a weapon storage on Alderaan. You will need to find 5 datapads with the codes to unlock the door.
The best items in the game is in that storage. But it will be extremely hard to find the datapads, they would be mostly found in weird places on the planet.

A little kid has lost his toy-blaster. If you find it for him you will get some light side points and 25 credits.

There Kinrath are killing the farmers on Alderaan. You can kill all of these creatures for 2500 credits and LS points.


Korriban

This mod will be made of the Korriban modules (duh)

Story: After the death of lord Uthar the sith on Korriban started to use a automated computer training system. Altough, sparks are starting between the Sith, in which they shall break out into a war to see who is the best.

Main quest: The sith are stealing sith artifacts to fuel the star forge. You will enter the sith academy. There you will find many sith that are stealing artifacts as well as fighting. You will fight them. It will be very tough, when the siths are as strong as Malak, while they curse you (Revan).

Side Quest: Revan has remembered about the two Sith artifacts he found.
If he kept the Holocron you found in Tulak's Tomb or found it the Sith Academy (if you gave it up). You be given the chance to study the Holocron of Tulak Hord. When finished, your stats go up, and you'll get new moves.



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Very good ThoraxeRMG. Keep going

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A bit of a problem, but not that much:

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=179315

This talks about the realism of someone actually rebuilding the Star Forge. Current estimate places it at 17,000 years, which is not exactly what you want.

However, this new Star Forge uses holocrons to power itself up. The old Star Forge didn't do that, all it really did is just suck Force from a nearby Star, hence the name Star Forge. Therefore, I think what this Sith is doing is not rebuilding the Star Forge per se, but creating a pretty ineffective verison of the Star Forge, by reverse engerring parts of it, but not all of it. It works, but only in a haphazard manner, and very resource-consuming, hence all the looting of holocrons (which contains Force spirits that this new mini-Forge consumes to create the ships).

All you will need is a new name, since this new Star Forge really won't be the same as the old Star Forge. Any ideas? Holocron Forge looks like a good idea.

A couple more comments: I'll assume that Revan will be seen as LS in this? Not really important, but, /shrugs. After Revan murdered off Malak, the whole Sith collaspe into a civil war. So, I'll assume this Sith would be one of the many factions in the ongoing conflict. You might want to add in some villians that would be leading this faction, who can act as bosses. I could provide said background to the villans, if you grant me premission.


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A bit of a problem, but not that much:

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=179315

This talks about the realism of someone actually rebuilding the Star Forge. Current estimate places it at 17,000 years, which is not exactly what you want. However, this new Star Forge uses holocrons to power itself up. The old Star Forge didn't do that, all it really did is just suck Force from a nearby Star, hence the name Star Forge. Therefore, I think what this Sith is doing is not rebuilding the Star Forge per se, but creating a pretty ineffective verison of the Star Forge, by reverse engerring parts of it, but not all of it. It works, but only in a haphazard manner, and very resource-consuming, hence all the looting of holocrons (which contains Force spirits that this new mini-Forge consumes to create the ships).

All you will need is a new name, since this new Star Forge really won't be the same as the old Star Forge. Any ideas? Holocron Forge looks like a good idea.

A couple more comments: I'll assume that Revan will be seen as LS in this? Not really important, but, /shrugs. After Revan murdered off Malak, the whole Sith collaspe into a civil war. So, I'll assume this Sith would be one of the many factions in the ongoing conflict. You might want to add in some villians that would be leading this faction, who can act as bosses. I could provide said background to the villans, if you grant me premission.

That's damn good, I think should be called the Shadow Forge!
Anyways,

Rhelg:

Story: The sith are looking for special Force crystals that can also be used to activate and power up droids, and increase the power of the Shadow Forge, as well as increasing it production rate.


Main quest: You will start at the spaceport. There a corrupted droid asks you if you are a recruiter. You ask what he means and he'll say that many sith has come to Rhelg in order to power up the new Forge. You will have to go through the newly made sewers with many enemy droids and in to the droid controll station. There you will learn that the sith are giving the droids new programs in where they can stimulate the Force. You will fight the sith. Then the droids will attack you. They will never quit respawning. The only way to stop them is to shut down the main power reactor. You walk to a console and do that. But then the whole base is starting to explode. When you walk out from the base you cannot walk in again. The leader of the droids fight, but after you kill him you get a "gift". A new female "Droid Jedi' that looks organic, but can still use Droid feats. Her name is Maran.

This will probably be the hardest planet since "Semi-Droid Jedi" are spawning and the sith are as strong as Malak.


Side quests: A droid is damaged. If you can help him, by having a repair skill of 20, you will get 500 creds and LS points.



Mon Calamari:

This mod will be made of the modules of Manaan.

Story: The sith are helping the Quarren to launch a full scale attack at the Mon Calamarians city in exchange for minerals for the Star Forge.


Main quest: Your first objective is to fight the Quarrens and stop them from taking over the city. Then you will have to face the sith.
The fight against the Quarrens will be very hard, but you will have many jedi, republic troopers and Mon Calamaris fighting at your side.
After you killed all of the Quarrens you will be rewarded with 10000 credits by the president of Mon Calamari. Then you will have to go to the
sith mineral base and fight them.


Side quests: There will be many sidequests because this is a very populated planet. I am open for suggestions about new sidequests.

"PERFECT!, GREAT ONE."


Ordo:

This mod will be made of the Tatooine modules.

Disgusing themselfs as Mandalorians, the Sith tricked the other Mandalorians into helping them get resources for the Shadow Forge as well as making Mandalorian recruits into Sith.
After the revolt, you have to kill the Mandalorian Sith Dealer.

LS Choice: Tell the Mandalorian Sith to go to the Light or rebel against the Sith.


Yavin 4:

This mod will be made of Kashyyk modules, Lehon (Unkown planet) modules and the Tatooine rakatan temple.

Story: There are many sith relics and artifacts from Exar Kun and Naga Sadow on Yavin 4.

Main quest: You will land on a beach. Then you will have to kill all the sith that are gathering artifacts.
In the forest there are several sith lords gathering artifacts. You will have to kill them. There is many lightsaber crystals on corpses in the forest.
In the Massasi temple you will be attacked by many sith lords. After you have killed them Massassi warriors will attack you. They are extremly hard to kill.
When you killed the Massassi warriors Exar Kuns ghost will appear. He will then question you being there. And then he will try to seduce you to the Dark Side, if you refuse, he will then fight you. If you say yes, he will then tell you to study his Sith Magic tablets, so you may revive him, If you do, you may recruit Exar Kun. (Lets have Exar Kun actually look like Exar Kun, not that crappy mod. I shall do Exar's Voice.)


Side quests: Suvam Tam is collecting artifacts. You can help him find a crystal that lies in the forest. For that you will get 5000 credits.



Coruscant:

This mod will be made of the Taris modules.


Story: Coruscant is like the "base planet". Here lies the jedi council, here you can get training and new force powers in the jedi academy,
here you can get equipment and many other things.

Main quest: You will learn by a force sensetive Rakata, training in the jedi academy, that Coruscant was once a member of the Infinite Empire.
The council will send you on a mission to locate a lost jedi in the lower levels. There you will find a sith lord that talks to other sith lords.
You listen to the conversation and hear them speak about a starmap on Coruscant. They will discover that you are listening and attack you.
Then you will have to go to the lowest level on Coruscant, to a cave where the starmap is located. You will find it and many siths that are draining force from it.
They will ask why have you "betrayed" the Sith and escape after using some droids as distractions.

Side quests: There will be around 20 sidequests since Coruscant is a heavily populated planet.


Fight in the jedi arena. After 10 hard fights you will be champion. After each fight you win you will be rewarded with a new forcepower.

Find the holocron. A young padawan has lost his jedi holocron. You will have to find it. You will get a lightsaber crystal if you find it.

Missing younglings. Younglings of the jedi temple has ran away into Coruscant city. Find them all and you will be rewarded with 2 lightsabers.


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Here is an idea not a quest, on Planet Ordo you meet up with Canderous. He is again working mercenary work. He asks you if you could "take care of" the sith that are trying to control Ordo. You travel to this fancy building, used of Daviks estate map, You can not go to the hangar. In the area where they are torturing the old ebon hawk pilot will now be an mandalorian with to sith master. They are as powerful as Darth Bandon and are wearing star forge robes only they are completly black. The mandalorian tells you in basic that he was trying to blow up the sith command center. You tell him to follow you and he helps you set huge bombs near weapons and other explosives you exit the estate and you blow it up. You will see the cutscene when Taris is destroyed. You do not see any parts of the ebon hawk. It will fade at the end.

On Alderaan, why dont we have a Alien movie like senario. Have any of yuou seen any of the Alien movies? We will have to fight off creatures and there will be some queen, king, alpha male, or alpha female.


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I could provide said background to the villans, if you grant me premission.
If you are saying that you can help me do dialog files with backround stories of villians and such, then you can start whenever you want


This is updates of the planets. Don't worry, I have included your ideas

Ordo:

This mod will be made of the Tatooine modules.
Story: Disgusing themselfs as Mandalorians, the Sith tricked the other Mandalorians into helping them get resources for the Shadow Forge as well as making Mandalorian recruits into Sith.

You will land on a spaceport. When you leave your ship canderous will run to you. He will say that the sith are infiltrating the mandalorians ranks. You will say that you must stop them. Canderous will say that it is impossible to see the difference between sith and mandalorian because all of them are wearing mandalorian armors. He says that you must kill the leader of the sith on Ordo so the rest of the sith on Ordo will fight for leadership. He will become a temporary party member.
He takes you to his estate. There you will find out that the sith has taken over it. You will have to fight many sith. When you get to the torturing room you see a mandalorian called Kex (Yes, the one from TSL).
He says that he has planted explosives everywhere and that he must activate them. But he must do it manually. You will free him. He will become a temporary party member. Then you will run allover the estate and activate the explosives. When you have activated all the explosives you will face the mandalorian-sith dealer. You can kill him or tell him that the sith are bad and that he should join you against the sith. After you killed him you will warp to the desert (made of Tatooine Dune Sea modules).
There you will see a cutscene where Kex screams: "Fire in the hole"
He presses some kind of detonator and you hear a big "boom".
You will see a movie where the estate blows up (Someone who is good on animating who can make this?)
Then hundreds of sith will attack you from one way. And from the other way you will see hundreds of mandalorians screaming "FOR MANDALORE!"
There will be a big fight, you will fight with the mandalorians against the sith. When all of the sith are dead you will be warped to the spaceport where canderous will thank you for saving the mandalorians. He tells you that a mandalorian veteran will accompany you and help you fight the sith.
Then he will say that the mandalorians are leaving Ordo. You will say that you will leave to Coruscant. You will be warped to Coruscant spaceport. You can't go back to Ordo anymore since it is empty.


A sidequest for Coruscant: In the cantina you will find some young boys that are looking for deathsticks. You can buy them a deathstick from a drug dealer(dark side) or you can use mind trick on them and tell them to go home and never more take deathsticks.(Light side)


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On Alderaan, why dont we have a Alien movie like senario. Have any of yuou seen any of the Alien movies? We will have to fight off creatures and there will be some queen, king, alpha male, or alpha female.
Yes, that would be a great idea. When you killed the queen all the other Kinraths will run away. But the queen will be extremly hard in that case. 5000 HP in that case.


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Oh, a tip. You could just send over the dialouge files what you have, and I'll send it back what I can to you. I don't have K1 or K2 on PC, but I can download a dialoge editor and possibly help out.

And, you might be better only having a couple of planets rather than a whole lot. But that is just me.


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Would it be possible to make all the kinrath black, a little bit bigger, and the queen will be two time the normal size? Maybe they all could also have a green design on their backs?


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