Use the term "feint" instead of "attack fake"?

[razorace]

I was researching lightsaber styles when I noticed that the term "feint" is a better, more real-world term for "attack fake". I think we should start using that term for now on.

What do you guys think?

[JackBaldy]

Originally Posted by razorace

I was researching lightsaber styles when I noticed that the term "feint" is a better, more real-world term for "attack fake". I think we should start using that term for now on.

What do you guys think?

Well, as long as it is associated with both basic fakes and attacks fakes. I.e. Basic feints and attack feints.

[DarthDie]

I agree with jack...as long as we say attack feints/basic feints i vote yes.

[Tanqexe]

Didn't we have terminology discussions before?

At one point we did agree on renaming attack fakes as feints (and power attacks and whatnot), but then people decided to stick with the original name.

[razorace]

Yeah, I know we talked about this before. I didn't think the term "feint" was used before thou.

[TheShaman]

Well, the thing is, to me, a feint is when you do as if you were striking, but you don't, so it sounds more like the windup fake.
But if we keep saying "feint" for windup, and "attack feint" for attack fake, I'm for it. (like Jack, it seems.)

[Yango]

According to dictionary.com:

fake:
5. (verb) to trick or deceive (an opponent) by making a fake (often fol. by out): The running back faked out the defender with a deft move and scored.
12. (noun) Sports. a simulated play or move intended to deceive an opponent.

feint:
–noun
1. a movement made in order to deceive an adversary; an attack aimed at one place or point merely as a distraction from the real place or point of attack: military feints; the feints of a skilled fencer.

I'd use feint for attack fake and fake (or fake attack) for windup so yes.

[TheShaman]

Still, not to be confusing, we should call the 2 moves feint, and attack feint, attack feint being the offensive move, feint being the tap required to attack parry.

[Tanqexe]

Yep Yango. Dictionary ftw. Attack feint just makes no sense because it's really redundant.

[razorace]

I like yango's suggestion.

[JackBaldy]

A basic fake can still be considered a feint. I.e. Doing some sort of movement to deceive your opponent. Although instead of it being attack feint and basic feint it should probably be feint and basic feint. I think I would confuse myself if both were different because I am used to both being common (Both right now are associated with 'fakes'), i.e. feint and fake.

[Maxstate]

What's wrong with fake --> power attack --> riposte?

Everyone I've trained and have played with knows it under these names and uses their "technical" names only when pointing out a bug or something.

[TheShaman]

Basic feint doesn't make sense either.
The word attack should be kept, so we know we are talking about the attack move, and not the windup one.

[Tanqexe]

A feint is basically like a setup attack for another attack at another target in fencing, whereas a fake is simply meant to deceive - there's a subtle difference in the definition. Which is accurate to what an "attack fake" is. It does not need "attack" or "basic" attached to its name.

[TheShaman]

So this means we would say "Fake" for "Windup Fake" and "Feint" for "Attack fake"?

[razorace]

right. I think that's the idea.

[TheShaman]

Alright, why not, it will take a bit of time to get used to it, but it does sound good.