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Old 07-09-2007, 06:06 PM   #1
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What Would it Take to Kill Revan/Exile?

Spawned from the page-long debates in the Revan vs. Nihilus thread, arise from the dark pits that bore you, new thread! Show yourself to the world! May they all gaze upon you and see you for what you truly are!

Introductions out of the way, what does everyone think it would take to kill Revan? (Or the Exile if you think she's more powerful) I saw a fair number of posts in the Revan vs. Nihilus thread that said he'd be able to defeat Nihilus or 100 Jedi Masters at once, but regardless of how powerful or not he is we know he's still a mortal that bleeds if he's stabbed or dies if he's shot.

I'd put my money on... Two full squads of (standard) Sith troopers. 24 to 1 is terrible odds. One squad alone would probably have give him a lot of trouble and would have a high chance of killing him, but I think two would do it for certain. Two squads would probably also be enough to do in the Exile.

For the sake of giving us all less to type, let's assume it's just Revan/Exile in an arena versus whatever odds you think would do it. (So his/her vaunted war-winning strategic genius wouldn't be of any use )

Anyway, what do you all think?


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Old 07-09-2007, 06:35 PM   #2
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what does everyone think it would take to kill Revan?
One sleeping Revan (human, and thus needs to sleep) and an assassin with just about any weapon of choice (blaster, dagger, lightsaber, whatever). For all their power, force affinity and genius Revan is still a human being who can quite easily be killed by a quick coup de grâce if caught helpless or by surprise.

Or, within the context of the game, one Force Cage and a Saul Karath willing to kill right away rather than incarcerate for Malak to do so later.
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Old 07-09-2007, 09:14 PM   #4
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In terms of gameplay, I could most likely take out 24 troopers at once with force powers. Easy. As long as their levels are at a reasonable number in comparison to my own.

In terms of story, it's got to be either a really powerful force user and/or duelist, who is actually MORE powerful than the protagonists of the games (under most circumstances, Revan probably would indeed lose to Nihilus in a fair fight, but there's another thread for that discussion).

OR - an assassin who just has a lot of luck, like stoffe said (although you said a fair, gladiatorial-style fight, so this is irrelevant).


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Old 07-09-2007, 10:40 PM   #6
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35 troopers. Make sure to continue fighting them and prevent them from using Heal powers or Medpacks, and you'll be sure to take them out. 24 just leave them hanging.


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Old 07-09-2007, 11:02 PM   #7
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Old 07-09-2007, 11:02 PM   #8
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I think it would take more then standard troopers too take out any of those two well unless you had a army. On the other hand 5 or so full sized rancors would tear bolth of them to shreads.


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Old 07-10-2007, 03:26 AM   #9
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:49 AM   #10
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Just get Exile and Revan to fight each other, and see who will win. When either one of them dies, you'll know what it would take to kill either Revan/Exile. Simple as that!
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Old 07-10-2007, 12:15 PM   #13
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What does everyone think it would take to kill Revan? (Or the Exile if you think she's more powerful)
Not the "True Sith" that's for Damn sure!


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Five clones of Kreia. Revan/Exile would suicide.


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Old 07-10-2007, 02:33 PM   #15
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Not really, even heros with a big fan base would get killed due to some storyline, even if you are a redhead with a nice fan club.

And yes, lets hope that no nice heros would ever get a lame death like chewie, surely don't do him justice.
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Old 07-10-2007, 02:46 PM   #16
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Not the "True Sith" that's for Damn sure!
Actually, a True Sith kill may be pretty good for Revan and Exile. I wouldn't contest that. How else can one prove the True Sith are great unless they actually score a victory? If they don't, then it just makes Revan and Exile so uber-powerful I would dislike it.


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Old 07-10-2007, 04:17 PM   #17
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One of the old sith masters, like Naga Sadow. They would give both Revan and the Exile some serious asswhooping.


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A typo in a story but they are revived from the dead when Lucasarts rules it to be noncanon.
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Five clones of Kreia. Revan/Exile would suicide.
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One kitten with poisoned needles hidden under his fur, placed where he wouldn't lick himself.
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Old 07-11-2007, 03:18 AM   #24
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For the Revan I write? Kreia to set up the plans and get her alone. Sion, Nihilus, and the element of surprise to finish. Of course, like the Marquis de Carabas in Gaiman's Neverwhere, Revan DID have a back-up plan...

For the Exile I write? Mical after some growing up, coupled with a nasty distraction from Canderous.

And what ACTUALLY kills Kreia? Revan, Mical, and the mother of all exorcisms.


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Heh, am I the only one who thinks they're mortal enough to be killed by regular, run-of-the-mill Sith troopers?


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No. They're Jedi. Genre conventions state that no one can ever be killed by an errant blaster bolts. To be slain by Generic Hostiles, they must survive for far too long against impossible odds and take dozens, perhaps even hundreds to thousands with him, a la Ganner Rhysode.
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Heh, am I the only one who thinks they're mortal enough to be killed by regular, run-of-the-mill Sith troopers?
No, if caught by surprise or helpless/asleep even a Sith trooper with a fillet knife could kill them instantly by slitting their throats. But if you arrange the confrontation so they meet on Revan's terms, when a Jedi is strongest in a direct staged combat, then a single Sith Trooper wouldn't stand much of a chance.

(Unless it's a Sith Trooper who makes a suicide bombing attack against them during that battle with an explosive device with a blast too large and powerful to dodge. Even Jedi reflexes and premonition is useless if it's impossible to evade the danger no matter what.)

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Ever heard of Order 66?

A fully tooled up Revan or Exile would be an absolute nightmare. Spam Force Wave or Death Field\Force Storm. In lightsaber combat Yoda might be able to take Revan. But from what I've seen the two are by far the most powerful. Any attempt on them would have to be done with secracy and surprise.
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Assuming they're at the peak of their powers, it would probably take more than a few "regular" sith troopers in arena style combat. However, if they were fighting dirty (some form of force suppression), it would be more plausible. Stoffe is right, though, that it wouldn't necessarily be hard to kill them if they were already in a vulnerable state (sick, sleeping, completely distracted, etc..). That's how Palp's master went down. Of course, if ROTS is any indication, you might not really need more than a few good clones at a bad moment...


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Actually, a True Sith kill may be pretty good for Revan and Exile. I wouldn't contest that. How else can one prove the True Sith are great unless they actually score a victory? If they don't, then it just makes Revan and Exile so uber-powerful I would dislike it.
I meant it in the way that K3 probably won't be made therefore no true sithing, I actually dislike the true Sith idea, and as nothing other than kreias rambling mentions them I consider them non existent, but like you say I don't think Revan should be invincible


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Heh, am I the only one who thinks they're mortal enough to be killed by regular, run-of-the-mill Sith troopers?
When did kittens become the deathstars?


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Ever heard of Order 66?

A fully tooled up Revan or Exile would be an absolute nightmare. Spam Force Wave or Death Field\Force Storm. In lightsaber combat Yoda might be able to take Revan. But from what I've seen the two are by far the most powerful. Any attempt on them would have to be done with secracy and surprise.

I think Revan and/or Exile would choose to temporarily side with the Jedi (assuming darkside) or would side with Jedi automatically (assuming lightside) either because they don't like the competition from Palpatine (that and Revan felt he needed the Jedi for his little war to come) or they think Palpatine is a maniac.

As far as the Kreias, they'd be too busy trying to manipulate or kill each other as they fight over Revan and the Exile. Remember Kreia loved Revan as a student and loved the Exile, so Revan would probably talk the Kreias into fighting each other to the death.
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This whole "If they caught Revan while he's sleeping". First of all, Revan is a freaking Jedi Knight. Jedi Knights never get caught off guard sleeping, usually because they don't sleep all that much, they use meditation that allows them to get the benefits of sleep while remaining conscious or something, however that works. So that is right out. About the only thing that could beat him are Ysalamiri, massive numbers of grunt enemies that just wear him down, or orbital bombardments.
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This whole "If they caught Revan while he's sleeping". First of all, Revan is a freaking Jedi Knight. Jedi Knights never get caught off guard sleeping, usually because they don't sleep all that much, they use meditation that allows them to get the benefits of sleep while remaining conscious or something, however that works. So that is right out. About the only thing that could beat him are Ysalamiri, massive numbers of grunt enemies that just wear him down, or orbital bombardments.

Didn't he survive massive numbers of grunt enemies single handedly carving a path of carnage to face and defeat Malek. Didn't he also survive an orbital bombardment and escape, I don't think those would kill Revan.
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He managed to evade the orbital bombardment because he was already escaping when it started. As for the massive numbers of grunts, well, they really weren't all that massive. A hundred, maybe, a few at a time. A thousand at once would get him. 800 with blasters, 200 with Vibroblades or Stun Batons.
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You honestly think someone could catch Revan in a situation like that, the man was a strategic genius.
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Well, we're operating under the assumption this would be Revan vs. whatever you think could kill him in an arena-style battle.

But yeah, it's possible. No matter how good he is at tactics there's no real way to avoid being ambushed or back-stabbed. Malak and Bastila (and also Saul) did that to him well enough.


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Actually, yes, I think someone could catch Revan in a situation like that. It's not that complicated. It's called 'Revan's on board, seal the decks around him, get all our troopers together in a bottleneck and wait for him to breach one of the doors.'

I'd say a Voxyn hunting pack could probably bring him down, too.
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