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Old 07-15-2007, 03:14 PM   #1
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For Kotor 3: What do you want to be canon?

the title basicly says all, do u want the main character canon darkside for a change? or do u want to stay lightside? id be darkside (darkside rules all )
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:37 AM   #2
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Hrm... Canon grey would be interresting.





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Old 07-16-2007, 01:48 AM   #3
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No canon. Ever. Canonize LS and the DS folks will scream. Canonize DS and the LS people will scream. Canonize Gray and we'll all scream.

We had no canon fate in TSL. So, no need for canon in K3, if it ever comes out.


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Old 07-16-2007, 05:48 AM   #4
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Didn't we? I heard that the Exile was a light side female...

Personally, I really don't mind what Lucas Arts puts the 'canon' as, just as long as there's a good story behind it all; and that I get to make the choices I made in the previous games.


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Old 07-16-2007, 07:25 AM   #5
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One of the reason's for canon in the video game was so the character's could crossover into books or films, or be "Marketed", and apart from a one shot comic flashback, a soon to be released toy, and source book material,(a result of the canonization) neither hero has featured anywhere, so IMHO canonizing the PC is not needed, in fact it causes more arguments than anything else.


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Old 07-16-2007, 08:55 AM   #6
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Too late, Silent Scope. Canon is already in effect.
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Old 07-16-2007, 09:24 AM   #7
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Really, I think I would rather see the story and play the game before I answered this question.


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Old 07-16-2007, 10:07 AM   #8
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i wasn't forcing people to post was i?
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:47 AM   #9
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I kind of like the system they have now...

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Old 07-16-2007, 04:49 PM   #10
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Well what if next to the option, LucasArts puts canon in parenthesis next to the choice they choose as canon, but you still have the choice of not following it.


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Old 07-16-2007, 09:44 PM   #11
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If they never state the general events of K3 (Dark Side or Light Side, ect), then it will leave an unneeded hole in continuity. I would have preferred that the Exile was male instead of female, but I'm still glad that they actually made a decision. I understand that the game is for the players to play through and the events are for them to shape, but there should still be a specific continuity.


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Old 07-16-2007, 10:21 PM   #12
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One of the reason's for canon in the video game was so the character's could crossover into books or films, or be "Marketed", and apart from a one shot comic flashback, a soon to be released toy, and source book material,(a result of the canonization) neither hero has featured anywhere, so IMHO canonizing the PC is not needed, in fact it causes more arguments than anything else.
I also subscribe to this school of thought. Unless LucasArts or other Lucasfilm entities plan on using Revan and the Exile in some sort of media in such a way where gender and alignment will need to be established (e.g. major roles in novels and/or comics) then IMO they shouldn't be "canonized" thus allowing fans of the games to have "their" Revan and Exile to be whatever gender and alignment they want. Unfortunately canonization of these two characters has already occurred so this is pretty much a moot point.


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Old 07-17-2007, 08:57 AM   #13
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No game canon but a LS canon for any crossover materials.


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Old 07-17-2007, 06:11 PM   #14
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I don't care about books or comics so they can cannonise what they like there. I want the game to be made as open as possible as to what you did previously.
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Old 07-17-2007, 06:37 PM   #15
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If they never state the general events of K3 (Dark Side or Light Side, ect), then it will leave an unneeded hole in continuity. I would have preferred that the Exile was male instead of female, but I'm still glad that they actually made a decision. I understand that the game is for the players to play through and the events are for them to shape, but there should still be a specific continuity.
That decision was actually 'fan's choice'. I myself as a fan am sticking with a male exile. So I'm sure that the game, should it EVER be made, might not show the exile or rather his face. That's right, I said "his face", gotta a problem with that anyone?


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Old 07-17-2007, 06:45 PM   #16
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At this point, it's already canon that both Revan and Exile were Lightsiders, male and female respectively. They can handle KotoR 3 like that, or like they did TSL.
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:10 PM   #17
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:14 PM   #18
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^Keep in mind that in The new essential guide to droids, the Exile is refered as "heroine", and plus, Malachor V is destroyed, which denotes Light side ending.
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Old 08-09-2007, 05:34 PM   #19
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Just so long as Revan remains canon lightside and male then I'm happy.

(besides Revan sounds like a guys name don't you agree)
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Old 08-09-2007, 05:59 PM   #20
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Why does it matter to you what LucasArts considers 'canon' or not? Surely what they think the best gender/alignment combination is isn't going to impact how you can play your own game?


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Old 08-09-2007, 06:16 PM   #21
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Personally, I think, the story you are most likely to find (generally spoken, not specifically related to Kotor) is, that something bad happens and then the good guy(s) come and "beat" it. That's the most common story you can find, be it in ancient myths or modern criminal stories. And probably the reason it, that this is the story that most people want to hear. Star Wars is no difference, it's the same story, just told in another way. So I think, if there's a Kotor III, the most probable "main" story is, that something bad gets horribly beaten by a good hero or heroine. Probably there's a DS ending (or even way), but that's just to enhance the fun of playing it again and to convice some people who like the DS to play it, too. But the "real", canon story will very likely be the stame story as always: In the end, the LS wins - because that's what people want to hear.
Of course, perhaps the developers suprise us - but I don't think so. My personal experience tells me, that most people prefer to play a good guy - or at least, a grey one. Most of the people I know (online or in real life) prefer it and just play "bad" guys when they finished the first time with a good one.

What I hope is, that they don't discriminate one gender, like in Kotor II, where a female Exile never gets Battle Precognition. It's ok to give different things, that makes playing it again more interessting, but it should be roughly equal...
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Old 08-09-2007, 07:25 PM   #22
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No canon. Ever. Canonize LS and the DS folks will scream. Canonize DS and the LS people will scream. Canonize Gray and we'll all scream.

We had no canon fate in TSL. So, no need for canon in K3, if it ever comes out.
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Old 08-09-2007, 08:00 PM   #23
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I'm surely no canon expert, but the Wookiepedia seems pretty sure, that Exile is female and a "heroine" (according to "The New Essential Guide to Droids"), so it seems pretty canon to me, that Exile was a LS female Jedi. Of course, the quote from Leland Chee sounds otherwise, but then "heroine" was really badly choosen word...

Personally, I would like to see a canon ending, even if it differs from my prefered ending. Somehow, I need a "canon" for a universe like Star Wars, esp. because I plan to gm an "Old Republic" campaign in the future *g*
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Old 08-09-2007, 10:17 PM   #24
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I supose that depends upon who the main character in KOTOR3 is.
If its a new main character, then I would like to see a Darkside canon, after already having Revan and Exile both turn out Lightside.
If its Revan or Exile...then they already have a canon.


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Old 08-10-2007, 09:51 AM   #25
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I also subscribe to this school of thought. Unless LucasArts or other Lucasfilm entities plan on using Revan and the Exile in some sort of media in such a way where gender and alignment will need to be established (e.g. major roles in novels and/or comics) then IMO they shouldn't be "canonized" thus allowing fans of the games to have "their" Revan and Exile to be whatever gender and alignment they want. Unfortunately canonization of these two characters has already occurred so this is pretty much a moot point.
Revan's featured in Darth Bane: Path of Destruction in a Holocron. In the novel, Bane learned Revan's history and it's mentioned that Revan eventually defeated Malak and helped the Republic defeat the Sith. For such things, I think, it's useful to have a canon gender and alignment.
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Old 08-10-2007, 10:52 AM   #26
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I suppose "Canon" doesn't sit very well with the Kotor series IMO. Different players will use different dialogue combinations to fit there own style, for instance you may prefer to be a DS female Revan (like me) or a LS male character. Revan is like the Exile in which the devlopers didn't confine the character through one canonical idea and thus left it to the players to choose there own path for Revan and the Exile. In short it doesn't really matter what LA thinks is "canon" if K3 follows in the same vein of it's predecessors.

Well based on the comics etc. Revan does have a canon approach, and Wookipedia expresses what Revan's true likeness is supposed to be like but within the game series the canon of Revan doesn't really exist.
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Old 08-10-2007, 12:31 PM   #27
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Well, We know that unfortunately Revan is LSM and Exile is LSF being canon. Now for the rest of the stuff I would like to see Visas alive(simple task of not killing), Brianna had been part of the crew, and that scumbag desciple being restricted to minimal plotline(ie NO seeing him as a Jedi master in future games).

Yes I hate that chap, but to be fair I understand his knowledge in history, so killing him off would be unfair as much as i want to see him dead much more so than Jarjar.

Obviously I would love to see the Return of the two Droids, and the follow up story on the secretive "unknown" Mandalore from Clan Ordos.
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Old 08-10-2007, 02:11 PM   #28
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Well, We know that unfortunately Revan is LSM and Exile is LSF being canon.
Yeah, Canon sucks, it really limits our imaginations. In K3 i think we need an original character with no canon whatsoever, perhaps leave the game off on some sort of cliffhanger to allow us to use our imaginations on "what happens next". Obviously to end it all the game will have to include the exile in Revan, or the last two ventures would have been pretty pointless; but whoever makes this game (i really hope it's getting made) will have to have a great imagination to make it even more enjoyable and more importantly, original.
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and that scumbag desciple being restricted to minimal plotline(ie NO seeing him as a Jedi master in future games).
Or not seeing him at all!
I really didn't see the point in that character (what was Obsidian thinking?), besides Brianna was way cooler anyway.
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Old 08-11-2007, 06:45 PM   #31
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I don't really care what "canon" story they come up with. It won't affect the way I play my game or what I think about the main character.
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I don't really care what "canon" story they come up with. It won't affect the way I play my game or what I think about the main character.
Yeah, good point, as long as it's enjoyable right - it certainly didn't damage the last two.
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The only things that are really canon in KOTOR are Gender and Alignment and romances. Every thing is else aside from a few exceptions (Ajunta Pall's Tomb) are dependent on the player's decisions.

What order did Revan & Exile visit the planets? Did Mission see her brother during K1? Did Revan actually fight any of the nameless Dark Jedi in the Star Forge? Did the Lost Jedi unlock their potential? What did the Exile do on the respective planets?

The Ajunta Pall bit in K2 is a exception because it assumes that A: Revan actually entered the tomb. B:That Revan fighting Pall is DS only (a LS character could get the question wrong and get attacked by Pall).

This is why I believe Dantooine and other planets won't be in K3. It's going to be hard for the designers to work around the fact that the fate of the planets is up to the players hands without canonizing things.
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The Ajunta Pall bit in K2 is a exception because it assumes that A: Revan actually entered the tomb. B:That Revan fighting Pall is DS only (a LS character could get the question wrong and get attacked by Pall).
Well, to be fair, it is assumed that a LS Revan would get the question right and does redeem Pall. Hence Kreia's disappointment in Pall's redemeption, as she felt it to be the betrayal of the self.


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It's going to be hard for the designers to work around the fact that the fate of the planets is up to the players hands without canonizing things.
If at all the developers want a non-canon ending.
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:14 AM   #36
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Sure, have canon. but several different canons... Certain people can believe certain versions that are canon. for example, lucasarts makes several basic backround stories for the game- three for each of either male or female characters being either good, nuetral, or evil.
That would be 6 different 'possible' canon versions, and that way, everyone's happy- as long as they don't argue about which canon version should be the dominant canon version.
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I like the way they do it now. You can play the game any way you want, but I like that the games can tie into the larger chronology...

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I agree with Prime. They aren't limiting you to playing, you can still play as however you want. They need to do it for in cases like Darth Bane: Path Of Destruction and the New Essential Guides. By the way, I'm the poster that asked Mr.Chee about Kotor III ( I'm having my screename changed here to Son Of Skywalker15.) He also told me that once it becomes needed, they will officially canonize a Kotor II ending. A few months ago I asked Sue Rostoni is they has any plans for a Knights Of The Old Republic Era novel, and she replied "maybe." That is why they have canon, not to limit you. I'm going to play the game and see what clicks into the story better to decide.


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Old 08-22-2007, 01:17 AM   #39
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Prime & SonofSkywalker15: Exactly the point to me. Canon as far as gameplay.. about as irrelevant as asking a 15 day old newborn what his or her favorite thing to do in all the world is. Its only worth is in later books and comics.

I'm interested in the canon due to "how will this set the stage for what happens between this game and that book that takes place _____ years later."
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the canon in TSL is LS female.

for a change id want DS male to be canon in K3.

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