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Old 10-18-2007, 01:53 PM   #41
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IMO I thought having kreia was crap I hated being an exile it forced you to not be able to create *your own char* .yeah i know you are actualy reven in kotor 1 but at least you were able to choose weather to destroy the jedi or save them, and for 3/4 of the game you didn't know anything bout that.I hope you are not a set ploted char in K3 but merly a bystander that *becomes* a legend.And maybe discuss reven and the exile but i dont want any part of kreia in k3 not even her ghost .
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:10 PM   #42
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I don't think the Exile needs to be wearing Nihilus' mask. First of all, why would he/she wear it at all, even if he'she is dark-sided?
1. Why did Nihilus wear it?

2. Because it's cool!

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I for one wouldn't mind seeing the Exile appearing different than how he did when I played as him.
Actually, I'm not terribly concerned about it either. But honestly, it's not a problem - just let the player pick the faces of both Revan and exile and be done with it. It may be elegant, but it's over quickly and keeps people happier.

That said, I want to see both Revan and exile both with and without masks. I'd want exile to wear the Nihilus mask and then wipe the floor with his companions from TSL who fear Nihilus has returned only to rip the mask off and see their old friend and mentor. That could be so cool


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Old 10-19-2007, 12:40 AM   #43
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I don't know exactly how my Exile would fit into the game...and well,I'd rather NOT use Nihlius' mask...wouldn't it be possible for whoever makes KotOR 3, to simply use the heads from the first one, which they did in the second one? Then simply, you could just choose what Revan / Exile looked like.

Thinking about it, I'd rather not for my Exile to appear...I'd be simply happy with a mention. Although that token doesn't go with Revan... I just want to find Revan for once..
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Old 10-25-2007, 04:23 PM   #44
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I don't think The Exile (or Revan) will make a personal appearance.

In terms of continuity it'd be difficult considering that both characters were PCs in the past. I mean how many "The Exile was a woman..." type conversations can we have? And even though determining sex might be easy, there would still be reconciling LS/DS and even faces from the first two games...unless BOTH characters are going to show up in masks all the time. (or borrow Kreia's robes).

Personally, I think the story of KOTOR 3 should revolve around the rebuilding of the Jedi/Sith...with a possible third group of "Gray" Jedi (heretics) who reject both sides following the devastation of the last two wars. The stories of The Exile and Revan should be important backdrops...and perhaps we can even learn their ultimate fates...but I'd be very surprised if they actually showed up as NPCs.

Furthermore, who is going to even KNOW anything about The Exile? Vogga? Zherron? Moza? Goto? The surviving party members? (cue T3-M4)
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Old 10-25-2007, 09:07 PM   #45
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Now that I see the logic of the visions set out, I wouldn't be terribly surprised or upset with a canon DS Revan and Exile at least at some point in K3. If the foreshadowing's been there, I think it makes for a better and more consistent story to follow through.

I'd kind of like seeing both with and without masks. It would be interesting if you start out with the choices of Exile's appearance, and it give you only the character face from K2 as Exile's DS appearance.

I'd really like to see Revan and Exile differentiated a lot in terms of abilities rather than just being uber powerful force users to appear in the game. It kept making a big deal about their specialties in both games.

As far as Exile's powers, and interesting twist would be if Exile's killing Nihilus and Kreia left him or her with ONLY the special powers, force forms, lightsaber forms, that the character either spontaneously learned, encountered as unique traits of Sith Lords, and the like. Think about it. A force user with beast trick, force crush, force sight, possible invisibility abilities without a stealth generator, DS healing 100% healing ability, ability to drain living beings of life, who can't cast a simple normal force heal on the party, force lightning, destroy droid (especially if there is a droid area), or force choke. I think it could be interesting to have such a character in the party if they never become a real jedi or sith, but remain loyal to revan and opposed to the true sith.
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Old 10-25-2007, 09:30 PM   #46
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Actually, I don't think Revan and the Exile would be difficult at all to bring back in KotOR III without going canon. Here's how I'd do it, which I know is almost exactly the same as how Jediphile would do it.

I've taken a passage I wrote early on from a KotOR III plot suggestion I began working on before, but then stopped, although I'm planning on getting back into it...

Note #1: *Iím of the notion that the player must be allowed to select the genders and alignments of Revan and the Exile in KotOR III. However, for the sake of simplicity, Iím going to refer to Revan as he and the Exile as she, since thatís their canonical genders. I canít always keep on saying Revan or the Exile and Iíd rather not keep saying he/she, his/her, himself/herself all the time...

The True Sith

The True Sith are the descendants of the remnants of a fleet that once belonged to the ancient Dark Lords Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh. The remnants fled into the Unknown Regions to secretly rebuild their shattered Empire.

However due to the nature of the Sith, civil war after civil war among them interminably hindered their rebuilding phase. Eventually though, they developed an army capable enough of crushing the Old Republic.

But then the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War came about, allowing the True Sith to simply put their feet up and watch their enemies tear each other apart. However, during this time of war, the former Dark Lord of the True Sith was overthrown, leading to yet another vast division in their Empire.

Additionally during this time, Revan had learnt of the existence of the True Sith at the Trayus Academy of Malachor V. Following the Jedi Civil War, the True Sith hierarchy was preparing to invade a terribly weak and vulnerable Republic, however...

LS Revan

Following the Jedi Civil War, Revanís memories began returning, which meant recalling learning of a threat from the Unknown Regions known as the True Sith. Aware of the crippled state the Republic and the Jedi were in, he planned to **** them up before they could invade and hurt his friends and allies.

He ventured fourth into the Unknown Regions to weaken the True Sith from within by embroiling them in a new civil war. He sacrificed himself to the dark side and given his strong knowledge of Sith powers, natural charismatic leadership qualities, militarily strategically gifted mind and disunion the True Sith were in, had little difficulty in joining a True Sith faction.

He isnít expecting to defeat the hierarchy of the True Sith, just to undermine them and allow his allies back in known space time to rebuild, recover and finish the job. So this is what LS Revan has been doing all this time. Heís wearing his old mask and costume.

DS Revan

Following the Jedi Civil War, Revanís memories began returning, which meant recalling learning of a threat from the Unknown Regions known as the True Sith. Aware of the crippled state his Sith Empire were in, he planned to **** them up and take over as the new Dark Lord before they could destroy him.

In case youíre wondering how Revanís Sith armada fell from potency to fragility, the Star Forge was consuming many of them, driving them to absurdity. They were killing each other off, their numbers dropping like flies.

Revan abandoned the Star Forge because he knew it would bring about his doom. He journeyed alone to the Unknown Regions not only because he didn't have the personnel capable of stopping the True Sith, but because trust and cooperation aren't traits of the dark side.

One could argue that he didn't bring Bastila along with him because he doesn't even trust her, or because he didn't want her to get hurt. So whatever way you look at it, Revan is in his old mask and robes and is a Sith Lord fighting for a battalion of True Sith forces against the hierarchy of the True Sith Empire.

Note 4#: Note that since Revan's memories fully returned, he's gained some of his old personality back and is now a mixture of the person he was in KotOR and the person he was pre-KotOR.

He isn't completely LS because he's had to adopt a dark side using bad good guy approach to screw the True Sith up. However he isn't completely DS because his old, tactical, discreet, meticulous, cool headed mentality is back, which he'll need to have to succeed in this civil war.

LS Exile

The Exile journeyed into the Unknown Regions to search for Revan and help him fight against the True Sith. Realising that Revan couldn't possibly be fighting against them all on his own, she understood that if he is alive and well, he'd likely be fighting for a True Sith faction and trying to take over their Empire or cripple them from within, since that's the sort of thing Revan would do.

She understood she'd certainly have to become a ruthless, dark side using goodie and join a True Sith faction to survive and have any hope of stopping or at least weakening these jerks. It wasn't easy for the Exile to find Revan.

Eventually she did, having to hide and fight several less than welcoming Sith along the way to get to him. Given that Revan knew her and could tell that she was LS, he spoke to her at length, explaining to her what heís been doing and asking her to sacrifice herself to the dark side.

Revan made the Exile understand that the dark energy she cut herself off from at Malachor V amalgamated with and revived the dead body of a male Jedi Knight who became Darth Nihilus. Hence, Darth Nihilus was her own creation.

Knowing that the Exile is LS, Revan explained to her that she could merge with the dark energy she abandoned and seal the wound in the Force, potentially saving countless lives and giving her strong dark powers she could use to help him in his struggle against the powerful leaders of the True Sith Empire.

All she had to do was drink an ancient Sith potion made by Naga Sadow that Revan discovered at an old outpost of his on Khar Shian, and within several minutes, no longer would she be a wound in the Force.

She did and became Revanís apprentice, a pseudo-Sith fighting in a war alongside her old war companion against the hierarchy of the True Sith. Now the prospect of Revan leading the True Sith rebellion alongside apprentice the Exile in a major space battle against the True Sith hierarchy isnít far off from becoming a reality.

DS Exile

The Exile journeyed into the Unknown Regions to search for Revan and help him fight against the True Sith. Realising that Revan couldn't possibly be fighting against them all on his own, she understood that if he is alive and well, he'd likely be fighting for a True Sith faction and trying to take over their Empire or cripple them from within, since that's the sort of thing Revan would do.

Eventually she found Revan, having to hide and fight several less than welcoming Sith along the way to get to him. Given that Revan knew her and could tell that she was DS, he spoke to her at length, explaining to her what heís been doing and asking her to join the Sith faction whom heís fighting for.

The Exile agreed to. Revan also made the Exile understand that the dark energy she cut herself off from at Malachor V amalgamated with and revived the dead body of a male Jedi Knight who became Darth Nihilus. Hence, Darth Nihilus was her own creation.

Once again, knowing that the Exile is DS, Revan explained to her that she could merge with the dark energy she abandoned and become a very powerful Sith Lord, using her strong dark powers to help him in his struggle against the powerful leaders of the True Sith Empire.

All she had to do was drink an ancient Sith potion made by Naga Sadow that Revan discovered at an old outpost of his on Khar Shian, and within several minutes, no longer would she be a wound in the Force.

She did and became Revanís apprentice, a Sith fighting in a war alongside her old war companion against the hierarchy of the True Sith. Now the prospect of Revan leading the True Sith rebellion alongside apprentice the Exile in a major space battle against the True Sith hierarchy isnít far off from becoming a reality.

Note 5#: So whatever way you look at it, the Exile and Revan are working together against the True Sith. While their motives may differ, like Revan might be trying to destroy the True Sith and the Exile might be trying to take them over or vice versa, they both have a common enemy to stop first. By the way, the Exile is now wearing the mask and robe of Darth Nihilus...

Have four voice actors, two for Revan and two for the Exile and you're done.

Okay, so thatís that...

Contrary to the opinion of some, I don't think it'd be all that difficult for the developers to make a quality KotOR III plot that doesn't follow canon.


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Old 10-26-2007, 06:26 AM   #47
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I wouldn't mind being a new PC character, maybe as a Padawan for the newly reformed Jedi Order. You have a few missions where u travel with your Master (for leveling/basic tutorial purposes). You may ultimately be a part of a small Jedi party on a mission to find Revan and the Exile. On your journey, the party of Jedi, including your master are killed by the Sith. As the sole survivor you must continue the mission alone. You arrive in the unknown region and the search is on. I don't have a real plot after that point. I personally don't care about the Exile, but if you find her thats fine. I def. want Revan though, as a playable character.
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Old 10-26-2007, 12:07 PM   #48
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I wouldn't mind being a new PC character, maybe as a Padawan for the newly reformed Jedi Order. You have a few missions where u travel with your Master (for leveling/basic tutorial purposes). You may ultimately be a part of a small Jedi party on a mission to find Revan and the Exile.
That is along the lines of what I was thinking. Perhaps start as a refugee/escaped slave on Nar Shadda at the time of the Exile's adventures (prologue). There, your Force Sensitivity is discovered and (according to your dialogue choices) you are pointed to a Jedi or Sith Master to be trained.

A possibility I'd like to see explored is the ability to CHOOSE not to be a Jedi, playing all or most of the game as a regular character...such as a bounty hunter or Republic agent. One possibilty I have considered is that the Republic is fed up with the Jedi and Sith and has begun to form their own unit of Force Sensitives (like the Imperial Knights).

However, having 3 or 4 paths to choose instead of just two might be too complicated for the developers.
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