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Old 02-09-2009, 01:52 AM   #481
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You must be thinking HTPC, right?
HTPC fanboys, be it windows mce, linux or media portal are going fruitty over the ion. All we need is a price

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Now here is something that was almost like poetry to read... G3D did a review of some high end RAM, but comparing 3GB to 6GB in gaming performance. The lines on the results graph are almost identical

Have a looksee >> HERE

A perfect little reference to have everytime you come across some wanker who has 8GB RAM in their gaming rig. ie. Theres no excuse for it unless youre running an x64 niche app or mid-high end server. Ive only got 3GB in my current rig which does some gaming an adobe CS4 x64 edition. I could pop extra in, but to tell truth, Im better served by putting money on a quaddie. Then again, Id rather get a new GPU before a new CPU

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Old 02-09-2009, 10:04 AM   #482
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umm, Astro, you do realize that 8GB RAM = no more virtual memory, right?? with that much RAM, the page file is practically meaningless any more, and that has performance benefits system wide.


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Old 02-09-2009, 10:19 AM   #483
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Yeah, there's a debate going on about this and Vista64's "Superfetch" feature. Apparently it's been discovered that XP, Vista32 and Vista64 perform better with 8GB of RAM while dedicating ~3GB to the OS and with the paging file, browser cache and other things (the swap file, maybe? Not sure; I'll have to look into it further) put on a RAM disk using the other ~5GB. From what I've read, it speeds up the computer tremendously.


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Old 02-10-2009, 03:12 AM   #484
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umm, Astro, you do realize that 8GB RAM = no more virtual memory, right?? with that much RAM, the page file is practically meaningless any more, and that has performance benefits system wide.
In that post I was talking about gaming centric rigs, thus the reference to the G3D article - which compares farcry and crysis warhead.

In an app that is purposely written to utilise the benefits of 8GB RAM, sure. Of course, you then need specialist kit to go with it, like a quadro card if you are a CS4 fan - to get the most ot of the experience.

Unfortunately, there isnt a heck of alot of information on even these. 64 bit computing is a surely a step forward, but currently lives in a mystical fanboy fog, or is the purview of specialist users.

For most things, most people do, it isnt entirely relevant. Even in gaming, devs are moving at a tree like pace to embrace x64 gaming. I was hoping windows7 would be x64 only, but MS chickened out. Part of this has to do with the fact that W7 looks friendlier to lower end rigs/netbooks than vista. My 4 year old tablet pc runs W7 beta better than vista. (marginally, but noticeable).

The paradigm shift will have to wait. I daresay Apple will make the first move with an x64 only OS, and MS will follow suit, then Apple fanboys will cry out at the imitation

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In what contexts though, and by what magnitude? You'll need to provide some of these articles for us Q. A general statement with the word "tremendously" indeed catches interest, but we'd hope for some more detail

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Old 02-10-2009, 12:13 PM   #485
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the point being there is that there is no longer any hard drive paging when you have such large amounts of RAM. the difference is much more noticeable as your playing since it reduces periodic lag time during gameplay. this isn't something that shows up in a benchmark since it measures the average FPS, but it is very noticeable when your playing since the lack of paging directly translates into smoother gameplay without any lagging while the hard drive has to be paged whenever the game can't load and unload data out of the memory fast enough.

and yes, i've seen the difference on a number of occasions particularly with games like Oblivion, Fallout 3, FarCry 2, and Crysis using various computers that i've upgraded either for customers or friends. so yes, it does make a difference.

the real question, though, is whether the upgrade is worth the price. i've made the statement several times: is a reduction in lag worth the price of the extra RAM? with prices of DDR2 getting cheaper all the time, that question is getting easier and easier to answer. my recommendation still lies with 4GB for Vista x64 users, but 8GB really isn't that much more expensive, either.

onto actual news, it seems that the new Phenom II's are an excellent choice in most situations as they compete very well with both the older Core2's and the new Core i7. as old as that news is, the real news is the launch of the AM3 platform. the most interesting news coming out of that is that the new AM3-based Phenom II CPU's are backwards compatible with existing AM2+ boards as they have a memory controller built in for both DDR2 and DDR3. and, yes, that does mean that the AM3 boards do support DDR3. article is here courtesy of Toms Hardware

also from Tom's Hardware, a very interesting overclock of a Phenom II X3 as they hit a bootable speed of 5.8GHz using liquid nitrogen. article here


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so yes, it does make a difference
Im sure there is a noticeable difference, to an extent, and on certain titles only

Still, Im sure many would take a more competent GPU over 8GB of mid/high end RAM any day, which would give you measurable performance benefits. I highly doubt 6,8, or 128mb RAM, coupled with my current 8800GTS will give me 1600p in crysis! I daresay, I'd get the same numbers as with 3GB, as the above article has proven comparing 6vs3. A quicker GPU would provide measurable and reproducible performance benefit under standard conditions, as opposed to observational only. The world awaits the GTX300, will it finally be the crysis killer?!

All it boils down to: We need gaming devs to embrace the power of x64, simple as that!

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also from Tom's Hardware, a very interesting overclock of a Phenom II X3 as they hit a bootable speed of 5.8GHz using liquid nitrogen. article here
the phenom is a bag of surprises. Phenom II was taken to 6.5 on LiqN, temporaily holding the 3DMark record. It was since toppled by Corei7 Ive been told(but havent bothered verifying yet)

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Old 02-12-2009, 12:50 PM   #487
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Sounds like amd are hitting back with phenom, finally! I might need to reconsider the CPU for my next rig again lolz



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Old 02-12-2009, 02:10 PM   #488
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^^^^
hey, i'm seriously considering it to replace my venerable Athlon X2. i already have the latest BIOS for my board; so all i need now is a P2 Black Edition for a good sized jump in performance.


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Old 02-13-2009, 07:46 PM   #489
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ATM, both the PII 920 and the 940 are $40.00 off at Newegg.

From everything I'm reading, it'll be a killer drop-in upgrade. Overclock it 'till it squeals!


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Old 02-14-2009, 01:05 AM   #490
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good ole economic downturn... these things are now $420+AUD... simply cant justify the cost The GTX 295 costs $900+ .... at this rate the previously popular tech hadware stores here are going to be closing at a rate of knots

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Old 02-14-2009, 10:24 AM   #491
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That's just awful. It's $229 right now at Newegg for a 3GHZ quad that's comparable to C2Q, which is very reasonable, IMO. If I had the jack, I'd ship one to you.

Have you tried looking on Fleabay? Some of the sellers there will ship to international customers. Here is a reputable seller who is willing to ship to Oz. I have no idea how much shipping would be, though.



EDIT: After taking currency conversion into account, I don't think that you would be saving too much, though. $420AUD is actually very close to the MSRP of the Phenom II 940 here in the US. Just be patient and hopefully there will be a sale.


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Old 02-14-2009, 03:41 PM   #492
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ATM, both the PII 920 and the 940 are $40.00 off at Newegg.

From everything I'm reading, it'll be a killer drop-in upgrade. Overclock it 'till it squeals!
if its as good as reviewed, i just might get this chip and throw in some water cooling as a future upgrade. dag gone it, i'm getting excited about my computer again....



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Old 02-14-2009, 09:19 PM   #493
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Here's a good deal on one of the top-rated HSFs to go with it.


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Old 02-15-2009, 07:38 AM   #494
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... dag gone it, i'm getting excited about my computer again....

what has your poor computer done to make you stop getting excited about it in the first place? [/Sigmund]

@Q >> yep, once you throw in shipping and currency coversions, it works put about the same, and sucks All this patient waiting for 3Ghz x4 goodness.... and now unable to do anything about it. Such is life

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Old 02-16-2009, 06:15 PM   #495
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M$ to launch retail stores!

^ Probably to sell "Vista capable" machines and end all this confusion and madness! A Pentium 3 and 64Mb of RAM will work, really!



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Old 02-16-2009, 11:11 PM   #496
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Along with all of the rebuilt 360s that suffered RRoDs complete with a 90-second warranty!


"They should rename the team to the Washington Government Sucks. Put Obama on the helmet. Line the entire walls of the stadium with the actual text of the ACA.
Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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MS will likely go into this after their 'already more popular than Vista' Windows7 platform is released to vendors later this year.

Still, given the layoff and closures of many tech oriented stores and manufacturing companies in the current economic climate, surely its a bad idea to launch such a store from scratch??

Theyre better off fiddling with that low cost computing concept. If they can deliver whole systems to users at manageable monthly prices(the way cellphones are done), then it'd likely attract people more than expecting them to turn up to a store and fork out $100s/$1000s on the day to get their hands on a pre-config system

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all they really need to do is man their stores (or booths, however it turns out) with some people that have actual knowledge about their products. they do that, and they'll have one serious leg up over Apple.

as for the monthly pricing thing, can't you just go to a Rent-to-Buy store and get the same thing???


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^ Aye they do that for mobile phones here in the UK, and they're starting to do it with laptops too now, you pay like £20-30 a month for a phone plus contract or a laptop with mobile broadband...Good deals to be had that way!



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OK. Prepeare to throw rocks at me....but I am quite excited about the new Corei7 based Shuttle high end. As far as shuttles are concerned, if you want an uber gaming rig, look no further.

SX58H7
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*500W PSU, which in a shuttle , can kick as much a$$ as a 1200W in ATX
*(up to)16GB DDR3
*Dual PCI-e x16 : Supports XFire OR nvidia SLI via single slot cards
*Fits largest dual slot cards
*Looks nyce



At this stage, there is no AMD equivalent Maybe by the time Im ready to afford the upgrade, there will be. If I did get this it would tip the Intel:AMD ratio in my house to 3-2 Currently 2:2

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as for the monthly pricing thing, can't you just go to a Rent-to-Buy store and get the same thing???
similar. though with some rent to buy schemes you often pay x3 the amount of the actual kit, which is nearing obsolete by the time you finish 24-36 months contract. It was from such painful experiences I learnt to DIY

In this model, they are aiming at low cost where OS functionality is factored in the price. Its already used at enterprise level, eg. workstation licenses that dont have advanced 3D capabilities etc. are cheaper

MS are working on revising the patent atm.. Its an interesting idea, though I think will only be limited to certain contexts..


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Don't mean to randomly change the subject but who's excited for Windows Mobile 6.5?!!



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Don't mean to randomly change the subject but who's excited for Windows Mobile 6.5?!!
Its been so overhyped... tech sites are starting to calm down now after reporting on it like its actually winMo 7. Its a point revision with some UI tweaks theyre rolling in. The browser is a definite improvement over previous pocketIE, but still nowhere near opera mobile.

Im personally more excited about the HTC magic featuring Android as its native OS



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Looks sexy, but still doesn't rival my mighty iPhone!



In other news:
Intel sues nVidia!
^ Are we really that surprised?



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Android is being designed to support the HTPC set? Do tell!
It appears you have been victim to acronym mixup syndrome! HTC is a phone manufacturer, nothing to do with Home Theater PCs alas. Still, there are many OSource HTPC options out there, such as mythbuntu, media portal, elise media center, xbmc etc. When the android SDK evolves enough for it to be customised for htpc functionality, then there will be alot of excited folks out there

@negsun. It was on the cards they were going to stouche over something

iphones are great media centric devices, but for 'gettin stuff done' winMo, palmOS and and blackberry are just much more rich in function, though somewhat less on bling of course

eg. Is Prez Obama using an iphone to run the country? Nope - he's using a blackberry!

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In other news:
Intel sues nVidia!
^ Are we really that surprised?
Intel: Wait a sec, NVIDIA. We didn't give you permission to develop chipsets for our Nehalem CPU's. You're going to have to pay us more if you want to do that.
NVIDIA: What? No way Intel. Our licensing agreement allows us to develop chipsets for any of your CPU's.
Intel: You obviously didn't read the fine print, NVIDIA. Pay us more money or we'll sue your green pants off!
NVIDIA: Kiss our green a$$e$ Intel!

I think that about sums it up.

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It appears you have been victim to acronym mixup syndrome! HTC is a phone manufacturer, nothing to do with Home Theater PCs alas. Still, there are many OSource HTPC options out there, such as mythbuntu, media portal, elise media center, xbmc etc. When the android SDK evolves enough for it to be customised for htpc functionality, then there will be alot of excited folks out there
I hate it when I do that. And to think, I was getting all excited that there would be another free/low cost OS to run on an HTPC. Oh well, maybe down the yellow brick road a bit further.


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I don't know...I'm a Windows junkie, and I'm pretty excited about it, but I can't wait to get a new phone because Motorola's Q sucks hardcore. I'm gonna pick up the Samsung Omnia w/ WinMo 6.1. It'll be too bad when 6.5 comes out and I can't upgrade...but my Q only has WinMo 5 on it right now anyway...I'm never buying a Motorola phone again.



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I'm gonna pick up the Samsung Omnia w/ WinMo 6.1.
The sony-ericsson xperia x1 is pretty nice as well...if you prefer devices with a slide out qwerty keypad.

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I would pick up the Samsung Saga if I knew for sure that they would upgrade it to WinMo 6.5 when it came out, but I haven't heard anything about it, so I'll just go w/ my gut instinct and go w/ the Omnia.



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I would pick up the Samsung Saga if I knew for sure that they would upgrade it to WinMo 6.5 when it came out, but I haven't heard anything about it, so I'll just go w/ my gut instinct and go w/ the Omnia.
Id recommend waiting til the OmniaHDs hit the streets, the omnia should drop in price a smidge

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Curious news indeed! I saw the network diagram on that Slashgear article you linked to but I'm still failing to grasp why someone would want to use this wall socket PC, HTPC enthusiast or otherwise.

Network attached storage? Why would someone need a PC to facilitate that when there are plenty of NAS devices readily available?


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Network attached storage? Why would someone need a PC to facilitate that when there are plenty of NAS devices readily available?
These cost about $100 and use up 10% as much power Youd jump in through remote connection(via Lan) to do it all. People i know are already planning out their setups, some as media server constituents(as a NAS), others as a 'torrentbox'....whatever that is

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Heads up, guys. It seems that some people are unlocking PII X3s to full X4s on certain 780/790 motherboards. There are on-going threads about this at both Anandtech and XtremeSystems.org (as well as other places, I'm sure), so this isn't a fluke. X3 710s are going for $114 right now at Newegg, which is a damn good deal even without unlocking the fourth core.

Cheap quad-core, anyone?


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Heads up, guys.

Cheap quad-core, anyone?
Boy, someone at AMD is going to get reamed for that. I wish people could figure out how to enable the locked out cores on mid end GPUs

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That ended with the 6800 series when Nvidia started cutting the circuits to the disabled pipelines with a laser.

This discovery is still only a couple of days old. If it's revealed as the rule instead of the exception, it would seem to indicate that AMD is getting far better yields with their 45NM process than anyone anticipated.


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That ended with the 6800 series when Nvidia started cutting the circuits to the disabled pipelines with a laser.
I wonder why ATI didnt do the same thing for the X3s?

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just a quick FYI Vista Service Pack 2 Release Candidate 1 is out now

More info on SP2 at MS technet

Final version due later this quarter, we're told

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still nothing radical with the Vista Service Packs. i guess they're saving the fireworks for Windows 7.


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