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Old 11-19-2007, 07:51 AM   #41
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stinger FTW !!

lolz - negsun, you speak about their motives as if they are benevolent organisations. They arent making advances in visual processing hardware for the betterment of mankind, but for the betterment of themselves and their shareholders

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Old 11-19-2007, 03:41 PM   #42
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lolz, touche

But let me retaliate with this:
Computer geeks aren't exactly the dumbest of people *looks around in this thread* so if there wasn't any sort of advantage to it whatsoever (aka zomg I got 2 more FPS on Crysis than this n00b!!!) they wouldn't buy it at all now would they



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Old 11-19-2007, 05:57 PM   #43
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there's always a fine balance between what the consumer is willing to spend based on what kind of benefits (or the perception thereof) that the supplier is providing. it really all boils down to basic economics of supply and demand. there is a point in which every consumer wants something but is only willing to spend so much for that something, and at the same time, suppliers are only willing to sell for so little depending on how much profit they want to make on the product.

obviously, they want big profits from their products, and that's where marketing (aka hyping) comes in. by hyping a product, they can increase how much the consumer is willing to spend.

that can be applied to any consumer/supplier scenario, and the computer hardware industry is no different. pricing is always based on how much consumers are willing to spend for something that really doesn't cost that much to produce.

a prime example of this is Nvidia's GeForce 8800 series of cards. despite being on the market for well over a full year now, the GTS, GTX, and Ultra 8800's really haven't changed much in price outside of the initial markups. the main reason is that most gamers i've seen have been more than willing to put the money down for those cards even though price hasn't changed. given how long the cards have been in production, you would expect lower prices, but as long as people are willing to spend the money, prices will stay where they are.

obviously, prices are going to come down (finally) due to the 8800 GT and the new Radeon 3800's, but i find it rather amusing that people have been willing to spend upwards of $500 for a video card that's been on the market for well over a full year.

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Old 11-21-2007, 12:00 PM   #44
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Out of all the new GPUs out there the HD3850 is the one I'd go for, best bang per buck IMO, especially if you're gonna stay below 1680x1050

It's the only card that rivals the X1950Pro in the low price battle and would actually be worth the extra $30-50 on top of that...



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Old 11-21-2007, 10:08 PM   #45
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the 8800GTS has dropped a bit, from what Ive seen - Ive seen my evga for about $80 cheaper than what I got it for

It all depends what brand you are getting. The XFX, EVGA, BFG cards seem to always be able to pull a higher price then the more obscure brands.

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Old 11-23-2007, 05:10 PM   #46
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Here's a couple of updates:
Steam goes old school
No exactly hardware but worth mentioning I believe, it's good that people look back at older titles (especially in the LA lineup) and bring them back to life...I just hope they actually work on XP or Vista lolz

First look at the Phenom 9600
What else can I say? It's still way too early to draw any real conclusions yet though, but we all knew AMD had to come out extremely strong to start and rival C2D Quads...

The R680, need I say more?
Holy mackerel this is one huge card! It looks very sexy though, but looking at the power connectors it also looks like it might eat your PSU for breakfast...Here's some more (and better) pics...



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Old 11-24-2007, 10:15 AM   #47
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lolz.... those old school titles wont get off the ground in xp let alone vista until they write a decent emulation platform from scratch.

(if anyone replies to that linking to <insert ridiculous homebrew app that does a half assed job> I will laser beam their face with my death-ray goggles that tk made for me)

The R680.... being a smallform fan, not my first choice - it would never fit in my case !!
With the 8800GT going slim n sleek, you'd think ATI would follow suit.

Ah well, If you didnt like gaming, you could use it as weapon to smack burglars in the head with LD

AMD is so environment/energy conscious in their engineering outlook and design, I was hoping it would have rubbed off on the ATI peeps...maybe not ??

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EDIT: I think NegSun has displayed great comittment to being the tech area's roving reporter, so I am honoring his original request to have this stickied. Keep up the great work, ya wee devil


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Old 11-24-2007, 11:58 AM   #48
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Here's a couple of updates:
Steam goes old school
No exactly hardware but worth mentioning I believe, it's good that people look back at older titles (especially in the LA lineup) and bring them back to life...I just hope they actually work on XP or Vista lolz
I think it's a great idea but I'm not sure LucasArts is on board with it. LA seems to be in the back of the pack when it comes to digital download of their games. The only game one can dl right now is SWG and that game was only made available for purchase and dl a few months ago on Direct2Drive.
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The R680, need I say more?
Holy mackerel this is one huge card! It looks very sexy though, but looking at the power connectors it also looks like it might eat your PSU for breakfast...
No kidding! I guess with two onboard GPU's one shouldn't be surprised and the article did say they expected the card to draw in the neighborhood of 200W. Yikes! I like the idea of two GPU's on a single card but I don't want to use a solution that consumes more than 100-125W.


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Old 11-24-2007, 05:33 PM   #49
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EDIT: I think NegSun has displayed great comittment to being the tech area's roving reporter, so I am honoring his original request to have this stickied. Keep up the great work, ya wee devil
lolz is that some Scottish I spy there?


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No kidding! I guess with two onboard GPU's one shouldn't be surprised and the article did say they expected the card to draw in the neighborhood of 200W. Yikes! I like the idea of two GPU's on a single card but I don't want to use a solution that consumes more than 100-125W.
Same here, it's just as pointless as going Sli or XFire IMO, save getting a new mobo...

Here's a longer article on the Phenom and the whole 'Spider' platform, with some nice pics of 4 HD3800's in Quad Xfire and such...

Amazon wants to re-invent the book...
And fails miserably IMO, nothing will ever beat buying a good 'ol paperback for those long train journeys I think.



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Old 11-25-2007, 12:02 AM   #50
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lolz is that some Scottish I spy there?

Amazon wants to re-invent the book...
And fails miserably IMO, nothing will ever beat buying a good 'ol paperback for those long train journeys I think.
lolz, being as Oz Turkish Cypriot makes me a bit removed from being Scottish, but my GF is actually - clan Morrison - aye !

I dont mind the e-reader at all. I've used a pda for ebooks/audiobooks since 2002. I think the cost for that unit is a bit prohibitive atm, you could get an older pda with large screen for 1/4 of that price off ebay etc. Places like mobipocket are already prolific e-book online sellers.

But its the way of the future, mark my words !! Here's why :

*Libraries will never be out of the books you want !
*Getting a rarer book will be easier. Those is further flung places have difficulty getting certain titles, and have to buy online, pay heavy postage etc
*Paper saving is good for the environment
*Has anyone tried carrying more than 3-4 books aroudn in their bag, no room left for anything else !! No such problem with such a gadget.
*Being in digital form, books are cheaper to distribute, no print costs
*Hardcovers ! ugh. hyper inflated price and dimensions - never again
*Libraries/schools/universities can save space.

Cons:
*those in the printing industry will have significantly less to do, or be out of a job. Still, when youre relying on 500 year old technology to make your living, you need to skill up for the inevitable, IMO
*the phrase "curl up with a good book" will need to be amended

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Old 11-27-2007, 06:40 PM   #51
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*Hardcovers ! ugh. hyper inflated price and dimensions - never again
I couldn't agree more with this one though

More news:
Get it dun yer neck! HD3870 XFire Vs 8800GT Sli with benchmarks!!!
And surprisingly (or maybe not to some) AMD has done remarkably well in making XFire actually worthwhile, and it's more energy-efficient than Sli and not even that much more compared to a single HD3870!!!
I still would have liked to see some benchies of a single high-end solution (2900XT or 8800GTX) in there to see how these lower cost dual-card rigs would stack up against the hugely expensive single-card solutions...

And more Micro$oft news too lolz:
XP SP3 pwns Vista SP1
"Still it is not all bad. Microsoft's biggest competition is still, er, Microsoft."
^ Amen to that, all the Vista bashing aside, I don't think M$ is crying because people would rather buy one of their OSes over another one, point is: people are buying it, probably faster than their accountants can count the cash that's coming in[/cynical mode]

And some Sony news that's not a sick joke for once:
Blu-Ray pwns HD-DVDs atm
Maybe the first good news Sony's heard in a while? I hope the Blu-Ray disc makes it though as I'm convinced it's the more superior format (IMO) and the sooner a winner is picked the sooner shops can get rid of having two separate sections in the HD media aisle lolz
Plus that means Sony gets some monies to develop some more good stuff cause the last thing we need is M$ gaining another monopoly in modern technology



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Old 11-27-2007, 10:55 PM   #52
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And more Micro$oft news too lolz:
XP SP3 pwns Vista SP1
"Still it is not all bad. Microsoft's biggest competition is still, er, Microsoft."
^ Amen to that, all the Vista bashing aside, I don't think M$ is crying because people would rather buy one of their OSes over another one, point is: people are buying it, probably faster than their accountants can count the cash that's coming in[/cynical mode]
It's good to hear that Windows XP SP3 will help improve performance. I hope it's not just an improvement for MS Office though. In any case, it's about time MS put out another service pack for Windows XP. It just annoys me to no end when I think of having to install Windows XP, then SP 2, and then having to download all the stinkin' patches that have come out since SP 2's release. IMHO MS shouldn't go for more than a 12-15 months without a service pack when they are releasing a high number of patches for the OS.

As far as Vista goes, the only reason I have to upgrade is to play DX 10 games. And since not a lot of DX 10 games have come out (that I'm interested in anyway) I'm not in any hurry. And from the looks of things not a whole lot of other people are in a hurry to make the switch to Vista either.


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Old 11-30-2007, 05:19 PM   #53
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^ Couldn't agree more

Here's an interesting article on the whole AMD vs Intel situation and what it means to us (the consumer) and what it might bring in the future...

GeForce 9 on the way?
I wouldn't bother too much about this though, but it would be nice to see a card that is capable of running Crysis and Flight Sim X at full blast...

Phenom X3's in February?
Let's hope AMD take some feedback on board of the early Phenom reviews and do some tweaking before releasing this one to the hounds...Not that the Phenom 9600 is bad or anything, but if it prices the Triple-cores correctly it might be decent competition against Intel's dual-core solutions in the low/mid-range CPU battle...



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Old 12-01-2007, 12:36 PM   #54
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GeForce 9 on the way?
I wouldn't bother too much about this though, but it would be nice to see a card that is capable of running Crysis and Flight Sim X at full blast...
What do you mean? DigiTimes is the original source for this info and they're pretty reliable, aren't they? Actually I've been hoping the GeForce 9 is in the works and would get released sometime next year so I really hope this turns out to be true. I did notice DigiTimes referred to this as D9E so I see the new NVIDIA naming convention seems to be taking hold. I'll probably wait for the D9P to release before I decide which one to go with. I want a card that will be able to run games at 1080p with at least medium settings but also won't require me to install a new electrical circuit in my home.


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Old 12-01-2007, 05:58 PM   #55
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I wasn't talking about the reliability of the article Char Ell, more about the whole concept in general

The 8800 isn't quite on its last legs yet IMO, and introducing another range (unless it hardcore only) will only hinder themselves.



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Oh, OK. But if the DigiTimes article is correct and NVIDIA will launch D9E, their top-of-the-line 9th generation GPU, in late February 2008 and the D9P, their midrange 9th generation GPU, in June 2008 then I personally think the 8800 only has a few months before it is eclipsed by NVIDIA's newest GPU. It's about time to retire my 7800 GTX but I'm going to wait until the D9P releases to see how it compares with the D9E, especially since it looks like D9P is supposed to drop down to a 55 nm process from D9P's 65 nm process. Of course this is all contingent on whether DigiTimes is accurately reporting this.


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Mind you Digitimes is also the site that had a list of upcoming nVidia GPUs in the 8-series and listed ones like the 8900 etc...So it's all purely speculation I'd say, but nVidia might be jumping on Ati's bandwagon after they switched from HD2000 to HD3000 after all...

A drop to 55nm would be good news for those who want less power sucking and more pixel flying



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Old 12-05-2007, 12:43 AM   #58
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Mind you Digitimes is also the site that had a list of upcoming nVidia GPUs in the 8-series and listed ones like the 8900 etc...
Are you sure you aren't mistaking a report you read on CustomPC that cited The Inquirer as their source for a report from DigiTimes? I've never known DigiTimes to get something like this wrong and curiously enough the CustomPC article's link to The Inquirer's article doesn't work...

With respect to your comment about NVIDIA jumping on ATI's bandwagon, I guess that that is one way to look at it. Of course if one recalls that an 8800 GT was originally designated as G92 and G92 was given the designation D8P in NVIDIA's new GPU naming convention then it seems logical to conclude that when NVIDIA unveils D9E they'll go with something like GeForce 9800 GTX as the retail name, since it will be based on NVIDIA's 9th generation GPU. Personally I thought NVIDIA should have gone with 8900 GT for G92 but maybe that was one of those things that got messed up with the transition to their new GPU naming convention.


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Nah it was Digitimes allright I remember the layout...I'd look for the page on it but for some reason that's all members only now, strange...lolz

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Here's a wee update:

GDDR5 by Samsung, world's fastest memory

Very interesting, even though it won't be reality for a while, but it might take that long for hardware to catch up with Crysis lolz...I do wonder how the devs tested out the maxed settings on that since no PC on earth can seem to hold its own on it, unless it was at 800x600



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The G92 version of the 8800 GTS debuted today. It's speced with a 256-bit bus like the 8800 GT but has bumped up timings for all three clocks and an additional 16 stream processors.

Anandtech's review of the 8800 GTS 512 says the 8800 GT is still the best bang for the buck though.

I still think NVIDIA should have named these cards 8900 GT and 8900 GTS. It seems a better fit to me since the die shrink has made such a performance difference from the 90 nm version of these GPU's.


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The G92 version of the 8800 GTS debuted today. It's speced with a 256-bit bus like the 8800 GT but has bumped up timings for all three clocks and an additional 16 stream processors.

Anandtech's review of the 8800 GTS 512 says the 8800 GT is still the best bang for the buck though.

I still think NVIDIA should have named these cards 8900 GT and 8900 GTS. It seems a better fit to me since the die shrink has made such a performance difference from the 90 nm version of these GPU's.
Interesting review, I agree that the market is at a high right now, between $200-400 you're spoiled for choice when it comes to bang-per-buck GPUs nowadays, with nVidia still ruling the high end, it looks like Ati is swooping in from below (maybe getting ready to take the top too?)

To keep it in the GPU section:
Tri-Sli 8800 Ultras pwn Crysis at 1920x1200 with everything maxed!!!
Surprisingly it's a bunch of Germans that's managed this feat lolz



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To keep it in the GPU section:
Tri-Sli 8800 Ultras pwn Crysis at 1920x1200 with everything maxed!!!
Surprisingly it's a bunch of Germans that's managed this feat lolz
thats definitely interesting for the likes of me - but also dismaying as theres no way im building such a juice sucking pc - Tri sli boards I imagine are strictly ATX only, so imagine the PSU(s) required to power 3 8800s !!

I am not surprised at all about the krauts doing this. Germany is the home of some the worlds most talented overclockers..

crysis uber alles !!

I think its fantastic that just *one game* has thrown the hardware world into chaos, and given "the big two" some focus as to what they should be achieving. Its more than just the nutty enthusiast who wants a juiced system now, its the casual and moderate gamer as well. Im sure it also pleases MS as DX10/gaming is a major part of what vista's future adoption is riding on.

>>until nvidia/ati create a single card that can pull such a feat off, then I will be able to refrain from throwing more $$$ into my little black box

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well, this latest bit of news was fairly interesting. it doesn't really affect me all that much, but for those on a tight budget, this is some good news. its called Hybrid Crossfire, and its a new technique that we'll eventually see with the Fusion CPU's from AMD. basically, it takes an integrated graphics chip and allows it to work with a discrete graphics card plugged into the mobo. the demo AMD was running also showed that their new integrated chipset is fairly capable (in terms of integrated graphics at any rate), but when combined with the new budget Radeons coming out, graphics performance was even better.

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Nice one stinger, I hadn't heard of that before it should definitely be quite interesting for the budget end of the market, which is where most of the sales are anyways...

@ Astro: I wonder what PSU they used for that lolz

On a more serious note, I think GPUs have hit the same wall CPUs have, where it's not the pure horsepower of one chip that counts, but the combined strength of multiple cores working together, which is why (IMO) nVidia and Ati keep pushing their multi-GPU platforms and make X2 GPUs etc...
The heat barrier is one that's not easily overcome, and though die-shrinks can help, having multiple GPUs devide the weight helps even more to achieve great results, if they can only sort their drivers out before they actually release the bloody things!

Edit: Some more news for y'all

KDE 4 pwns GNOME and KDE 3.5
The fact that it looks sexier and uses less memory than a previous version and even GNOME is quite an amazing feat, we'll see what the verdict is when it gets released finally...

3-way Sli but only for 8800 GTX/Ultras
For those who have very deep pockets (1.1kW PSU, wtf?) and have a good deal with their electricity provider...At least it can handle Crysis though

Phenom 9900 + Spider platform reviewed...
What can I say? Whether we like it or not, Intel rules the scene atm, and there's no stopping them is there...
Though I am pleased that this platform shows promise, promise just isn't enough...A horse can show promise but at the end of the day if it just isn't fast enough it won't win the race...
I really really hope AMD take some feedback on board and learn learn learn from their mistakes (and Intel!)...Hope is not lost though, the HD2000 series was a disappointment to say the least, but the HD3800 series was spot on, so here's hoping Phenoms can do the same...



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Some more Tri-Sli Madness

Triple 8800GTX Ultra - pwnz at HD and UHD, kills million trees in process

even though its a recent article - they omit using crysis in the benchies though

Also used a 1.1KW PSU - averaging at 750-800w at default settings

Just freakin ridiculous IMO. I love the idea of HD/UHD hi -performance gaming, but this is a *far from efficient* and *freakishly expensive* way of doing it. Most people would simply be better off getting 360/PS3 to experience HD gaming in the interim.

Hopefully the next gen of GPUs from the big 2 will at least achieve the same result from 'plain ole SLI' rather than teh excessive tr-sli. Ideally, we'd all liek that typ of performace from *one card*. It'll happen one day im sure - dont know when though...

Loved seeing the CPU ceiling effect on clear display in those snazzily presented benchies

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Old 12-15-2007, 12:16 AM   #67
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As far as Phenom is concerned...

Well, there's a problem. A bug in the level 3 cache that's keeping AMD from releasing higher-clocked versions. As CPU load increases, so does the possibility that the chip will hang. AMD has released a workaround but it degrades performance by about 10%. This WILL be fixed in the next revision (B3, I think), so it may be wise to hold off on the upgrade to Phenom until this revision is released. I just can't believe that this wasn't discovered earlier.

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I never knew that, thanks Q, so it definitely seems we haven't seen the Phenom's full potential yet, with maybe lower-clocked version able to OC to mad levels like the good 'ol days...

@ Astro: Yes Dual-Sli with a pair of Ultras is gonna be much easier on the wallet methinks

Thanks for that review though, looking at the benchies I really can't see what would justify the price of three cards compared to one though...



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Heres one for the 'mind boggling' category....

3D Surrounding Gate Transistor Technology could clock 50Ghz

Sure its just R&D phase, but the potential for such a thing.... incorporate that design into a fusion CnGPU type chip and the days of discrete video cards will be over.

One day, Im sure we'll look back and laugh, "do you remember when we used to get excited over those monstrously cumbersome graphics cards!"

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Heres one for the 'mind boggling' category....

3D Surrounding Gate Transistor Technology could clock 50Ghz

Sure its just R&D phase, but the potential for such a thing.... incorporate that design into a fusion CnGPU type chip and the days of discrete video cards will be over.

One day, Im sure we'll look back and laugh, "do you remember when we used to get excited over those monstrously cumbersome graphics cards!"

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Very interesting stuff Astro, higher clocks would definitely be nice as it seems to be a hurdle for both CPUs and GPUs nowadays...With Intel focusing a bit more on Ray-Tracing and AMD looking into Fusion processors and such it does look like the days of "zomg this card doesn't fit my case" or "zomg my crappy PSU isn't good enough for this GPU" might be over...

Talking about the Fusion though:
AMD unveils a lot of their upcoming new technologies @ AMD analyst day

An extremely interesting read, and considering the slow year they've just had, if they can even pull off half of these in the next 12-18 months they might be back in the race, though I fear it could turn out to be another "AMD invents it, Intel perfects it" debacle if they don't start focusing on the immediate market as well...Demand is certainly out there, as Intel seems to be focusing on tweaks and die-shrinks mainly, AMD is going tabula rasa to bring us loads of new technologies...Will the gamble pay off? Is this just a temporary setback as the prepare to annihilate Intel a la P4 massacre?
I sure as hell hope so



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Old 12-21-2007, 02:57 PM   #71
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More news peeps:

16-page Phenom review including overclocking results!
Very interesting stuff, and I think the reviewer is spot on, AMD will have to focus more on the mid-range market and below, which is where the money is anyways, if the price is about 17% below the Q6600, then performance can be allowed that same margin can't it?

It certainly starts to look interesting when you see that Intel is struggling with their vaunted 45nm chips: Clicky
It might give AMD a chance to catch their breaths and catch up in the retail side of things whilst getting on with their own 45nm development...

And last up is nVidia's 1Gb 8800GT
Should be interesting to see it work on higher resolutions...just wait n see



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It certainly starts to look interesting when you see that Intel is struggling with their vaunted 45nm chips: Clicky
It might give AMD a chance to catch their breaths and catch up in the retail side of things whilst getting on with their own 45nm development...
Oi! That Inquirer article on the "issues" with Intel's 45 nm manufacturing was a rather annoying read.
"Oh noez, something is going wrong with Intel's 45 nm process but we don't have anything to back this up other than one of their Penryn processors isn't really available for purchase anywhere!" Ridiculous reporting, even if it turns out that Intel is having significant problems with producing 45 nm chips in volume. I don't think I'll bother with reading any more articles from The Inquirer. Their reporting doesn't measure up to the standards I expect.

In other news, DailyTech has an article sourced from MadBoxPC, a Spanish-language website, detailing AMD's new entry-level and mid-range cards that are supposed to launch in January. Nothing in this news that gets me excited since I'm interested in upper end graphics cards but I guess it's a matter of wait-and-see how AMD's graphics strategy works out for them over the next year.


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Hmmm, looks like AMD took some advice and focused a bit more on the lower-end market, which is good for them cause those are the kind of GPUs they'd sell in cheap Dell or other branded systems, which isn't too bad for AMD if it proves to be good value for money...

Dunno if this needed its own thread or not, so I'll drop it here:

XP SP3 Release Candidate 1 is finally here!

Since I've only got this PC and I don't feel up to a great catastrophe, I'll wait a wee while to see how it's received, but at least we know it's coming soon-ish lolz
Anyone who's willing to give it a go, lemme know how it fares

Here's a linky to a .pdf that explains everything that's included in SP3 (so far)



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lolz...getting rid of the requirement for product activation/key on installation is a good idea - too late for one of the chaps in the other threads though

maybe I didnt read it properly, looks like they didnt think it was appropriate to chuck in WMP11 ??

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lolz...getting rid of the requirement for product activation/key on installation is a good idea - too late for one of the chaps in the other threads though

maybe I didnt read it properly, looks like they didnt think it was appropriate to chuck in WMP11 ??

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Well, it's pointless in Europe anyways, since the EU would just chase them down like mad dogs lolz...
Though I think I read it was just to keep the weight of it down to a bare minimum of security/enhancement/stabilization/compatibility updates rather than fancy stuff.

Here's another wee update:
Asus to make PDA/Smartphone
The article is in French but it's got some sweet pics of it and I'm sure the specs don't need translated, and if they do, let me know
I'm glad Asus is looking into this as I'm due to upgrade my contract phone in a couple of months and this one fits exactly into the category I'm interested in...The only thing that bugs me is that the screens looks quite small on both sides, which could be its downfall as there's stiff competition out there in this category of phones nowadays and some are just as powerful with like massive touch screens and such.
I'll wait and see what the verdict is



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Perl 5.10 released

Perl 5.10 was released on Dec 18. It's been 5 years since Perl 5.8 came out.

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Significant new features

The new smart match operator implements a new kind of comparison, the specifics of which are contextual based on the inputs to the operator. The result is that all comparisons now just Do The Right Thing, a hallmark of Perl programming. Programmers can also capture matches based on names, rather than position in the expression. In addition, the regular expression engine has been tweaked, tuned and sped up in many cases.

Building on the smart-match operator, Perl finally gets a switch statement, and it goes far beyond the kind of traditional switch statement found in languages like C, C++ and Java.

Other improvements include state variables that allow variables to persist between calls to subroutines; user defined pragmata that allow users to write modules to influence the way Perl behaves; a defined-or operator; field hashes for inside-out objects and better error messages.

Interpreter improvements

It's not just langauge changes. The Perl interpreter itself is faster with a smaller memory footprint, and several UTF-8 and threading improvements. The Perl installation is now relocatable, a blessing for systems administrators and operating system packagers.
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NegSun and TK, ta for win and pearl links (I missed them over christmas).

As for intel's 45nm problems: One thing I can see that has an impact on processor development in general is that the structures are now small enough to get near the tunneling border already. 'Conventional' materials can only be so thin before things start to get pretty dodgy.


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Hmmm, looks like AMD took some advice and focused a bit more on the lower-end market, which is good for them cause those are the kind of GPUs they'd sell in cheap Dell or other branded systems, which isn't too bad for AMD if it proves to be good value for money...

Dunno if this needed its own thread or not, so I'll drop it here:

XP SP3 Release Candidate 1 is finally here!

Since I've only got this PC and I don't feel up to a great catastrophe, I'll wait a wee while to see how it's received, but at least we know it's coming soon-ish lolz
Anyone who's willing to give it a go, lemme know how it fares

Here's a linky to a .pdf that explains everything that's included in SP3 (so far)
Little late but I installed the err, pre-RC1 version of SP3 and found it to be pretty damn awesome.



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NegSun and TK, ta for win and pearl links (I missed them over christmas).

As for intel's 45nm problems: One thing I can see that has an impact on processor development in general is that the structures are now small enough to get near the tunneling border already. 'Conventional' materials can only be so thin before things start to get pretty dodgy.
Definitely true...
Thing is, if Intel gets the Nehalem 45nm architecture spot on, AMD will be in even more trouble as it's struggling to get its 65nm Phenoms bug-free and up to spec ATM.



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... if Intel gets the Nehalem 45nm architecture spot on ...
Absolutely. Then again, everyday use isn't nearly as controlled as a lab environment, what if intel's spiffy processor conks out everytime a cell-phone gets close? I guess there'll be more interesting news on that topic. Let's wait and see.

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