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Old 07-01-2008, 08:48 PM   #281
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So did anybody see Tom's Hardware review of SSD drive power consumption in notebook computers?
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Flash-based solid state drives (SSDs) are considered to be the future of performance hard drives, and everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon. We are no exception, as we have been publishing many articles on flash-based SSDs during the last few months, emphasizing the performance gains and the potential power savings brought by flash memory. And there is nothing wrong with this, since SLC flash SSDs easily outperform conventional hard drives today (SLC = single level cell). However, we have discovered that the power savings aren’t there: in fact, battery runtimes actually decrease if you use a flash SSD.
I have to admit I didn't see that one coming... :-S

In related news, OCZ has announced pricing for their latest SSD's utilizing MLC, 30 GB = USD$299, 60 GB = USD$449, 128 GB = USD$649. Not yet in my price range but exciting to see that SSD prices are coming down.


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Old 07-01-2008, 09:36 PM   #282
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Asus Radeon HD 4870 Review Looks like the 4870 is acquitting itself well against the 260, even in HD. Not bad at all, considering teh price difference Looks like the GDDR5 is coming in handy

However, an interesting editorial note, for those considering buying one, might be worth getting in quick?

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...GDDR5 memory is [relatively] scarce, and only produced by Samsung. This might be the only factor limiting the 4870. If there isn't enough GDDR5 memory, then there won't be enough Radeon HD 4870 boards to sell. And then price versus demand will kick in thus the prices will rise. At this moment, prices do seem to be stable yet I have seen some vendors ripping off their customers at 400+ USD for this 299,- USD priced product.
BFG GTX 280 OC Edition Review averages 47FPS at 19x12 on crysis at medium settings

9800GTX PLUS adds a few extra frames for extra bucks, is it worth it ??

4850 in crossfire, not a showstopper Looks like theres work to be done on those Xfire drivers AMD

Conclusion:
Theres a whole bunch of new cards on the market with similar performance. They key factors that will influence your decision will be
*price
*brand loyalty
*colour of PCB



Still no single card that can do crysis at 1600p/high , but theyre getting there

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Old 07-02-2008, 12:48 AM   #283
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So are you happy that your beloved AMD is doing well in at least one area? Perhaps the aquisition of ATI wasn't the grave error so many thought it was at the time.

Sad thing about Crossfire. When it does scale, it's excellent; when it doesn't, well, it just doesn't.

Have you read anything about R700 aka 4870X2? Some form of GPU interconnect wizardry built into the dies themselves is supposed to make the two GPUs on that card behave like one (in other words, no Crossfire hit-or-miss). If it works it will be a GTX280 killer/dominator for sure. So there's your high end from AMD, Astro.

Most of the tech sites have proclaimed DAAMIT the winner of this stage of the GPU wars, and I couldn't be happier. I'm thoroughly impressed with the price/performance of 48xx. AMD has been in desperate need of a win for quite a while now.


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Old 07-02-2008, 03:18 AM   #284
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.... AMD has been in desperate need of a win for quite a while now.
Its a great purchase option to be sure

However, Im sure Im not the only one that cant help but notice how the 9800/260/280 is achieving what it can on GDDR3...and these AMD boards on GDDR5!

Some GDDR(Graphic Double Data Rate) Fun Facts:
*GDDR v5 ups the maximum data throughput to 20GB/s, up a bit on the 16GB/s today's top-of-the-line GDDR 4 chips deliver.
*The bandwidth is 5Gb/s, delivered over a 32-bit bus, more than double the 2Gb/s of GDDR3.

If you are a tech ubernerd genius, you may also be interested in reading all about GDDR5 in this Whitepaper from developers Qimonda.

It is almost like AMD, rather than truly delving into making their processor 'all it can be' is more content to let its performance gains ride on GDDR5... if that is what they are doing, it is a bad and lazy move[IMO], and will come back to bit them in the backside in quick fashion.

When nvidia is ready to go GDDR5, I daresay there'll be some fantabulous, but expensive results

Conclusion:
*If your heart is set on a 4870, probably best to get one quick
*If you still arent impressed by the high end numbers...sit this wave of GPU releases out.

@Q >> What Id really love to see from AMD is a similarly impressive quaddie, clocked at 3.0+ and staying cool and quiet Then me and my wallet can get busy

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Old 07-02-2008, 10:49 AM   #285
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It is almost like AMD, rather than truly delving into making their processor 'all it can be' is more content to let its performance gains ride on GDDR5... if that is what they are doing, it is a bad and lazy move[IMO], and will come back to bit them in the backside in quick fashion.
1) Most of the benchies out there would seem to refute this, especially at high res with AA.

2) After seeing the discussions on the tech forums about how DAAMIT purposefully nerfed the 4850's cooler in order to keep it from being "too good" (compared to the 4870) for it's segment of the market, I'm lead to believe that while important, all of that memory bandwidth just isn't utilized by R770 and that an overclocked 4850 would perform almost as well. This theory will be proven or disproven in the next few days/weeks when all of the overclocking software out there is updated for these cards and we start seeing some real overclocking results.

My bet is that a properly cooled and overclocked 4850 will be the best price/performance deal out there by far. And, yeah, they're still being sold here and there for around $150.


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Old 07-02-2008, 04:45 PM   #286
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If I had to go for a GPU that would be in my price range ATM, it would definitely be the 4850, especially with the performance/price ratio that one has!



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Old 07-02-2008, 05:39 PM   #287
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1) Most of the benchies out there would seem to refute this, especially at high res with AA....
How so Q? There isnt a reference benchmark for nv 9xxx or 2xx series card with GDDR4 or GDDR5, only GDDR3. Considering the performance differences, It can easily be argued that at a nuts and bolts level, these cards are actually technicially not on the same playing field.

AMD invested into the development of GDDR5, it seems they made a conscious decision to maximise it gains.

I would simply like to submit that all reviews and benchmarks report this difference, and that everyone be aware when they report the differences. Apparently, the current series of 9xxx and 2xx cards are not GDDR5 compatible.

A true comparison of the performance abilities of these chipsets is only applicable when coupled with the same grade of Graphic Double Data Rate memory.

This in no way detracts from the 4870 being a great purchase option, but people simply need to be aware If you ever played Mortal Kombat, you would know that "knowledge is power"!

It seems nv made a conscious decision(probably from a cost perspective) to stick with GDDR3.

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Old 07-02-2008, 05:58 PM   #288
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Makes one wonder how much Nvidia would have the nerve to charge for a GTX280 if it had GDDR5 as well as how much difference it would make.

Like I said before, benchies of overclocked 4850s will be very telling one way or another.


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Old 07-02-2008, 06:04 PM   #289
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Well if AMD helped develop GDDR5, why should nVidia reap the benefits of it? I call that fair game as they aren't developing the memory for systems in general, just their own boards, if it brings them back up to speed with nVidia who cares how they get there? Boo-Hoo AMD's got GDDR5, so what? If this market was anywhere close to being fair, AMD would outsell Intel hands down, we'd still have kicka$$ Voodoo GPUs and IBM wouldn't be a vague and distant memory...



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Old 07-03-2008, 04:47 AM   #290
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lolz..AMD dont own rights or patents negsun. Qimonda does, Samsung has bought a license and is making the stuff. AMD have bought the license to use it on their cards.

It is absolutely inconceivable that should nvidia want to use GDDR5, that they couldnt afford to buy a license to use it themselves. Qimonda and Samsung would be beyond stupid for knocking back such a wad of $$

Its AMDs internal R&D that has us all hella-worried

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Old 07-03-2008, 07:00 AM   #291
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It is absolutely inconceivable that should nvidia want to use GDDR5, that they couldnt afford to buy a license to use it themselves.
Jinx!!!

Nvidia in money problems...

Doesn't look like nVidia's gonna be paying anyone else but their customers back if the defect chip numbers keep going up...
It's not just the financial blow, but the fact their chips have been identified as "weak", which isn't going to do much to bring in new customers, on the contrary! And with AMD's 4850/4870 just out it looks like that timing is perfect for AMD, but the worst ever for nVidia.

AMD's gonna love this one lolz!



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Old 07-03-2008, 10:38 PM   #292
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yeah, nvidias stock holders werent happy at all

Still, clever analyst types did not seems massively worried about nvidias future, simply because of their extensive range of products, high sales volume and continuing R&D.

Also, people seem to forget that these companies are insured to the hilt, and are likely to come out of it with more money than they lost(after a settlement) This is the way the corporate world works kids Its more a job for the PR folks than the bean counters at this stage

In other interesting news, AMD has revealed it 4870 X2 to be released in July, with 2GB of that magical GDDR5.Intrestingly, it is said to be priced at $499, not far from nvidias current flagship card...

will this card crack cryisis 1600p?? Old Uncle Astro eagerly awaits benchies due later this month! And what will be nvidias response we wonder ?

But I can definitely see 2GB GDDR5 being an endless source of ubergeek e-penis bragging rights for those willing to part with the $499

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Old 07-03-2008, 11:54 PM   #293
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2GB! Insane!


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Old 07-04-2008, 04:30 AM   #294
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It'll probably have a PCB the size of a small country though



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It'll probably have a PCB the size of a small country though
yar, tis bigger than liechtenstein!



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2GB WTF
I dunno, I first read that at engadget, and havent seen it anywhere else since... must be another of engadget's silly typos 2GB GDDR5 would probably clock in at more than $499!

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Well, according to these images, the most noticeable difference is black PCB instead of red. Between two 55nm GPUs there is still a PCI Express 2.0 bridge. The card utilizes 16 GDDR5 memory chips produced by Qimonda with total capacity of 1GB.
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Well, apparently the the gauntlet that AMD has thrown down has had a profound effect. Competition is a good thing, even for Nvidiots.

EDIT: In case the price changes as it's known to do at the drop of a hat, the MSI GTX260 is now $260 after rebate.

ALL HAIL COMPETITION!


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Have you read anything about R700 aka 4870X2? Some form of GPU interconnect wizardry built into the dies themselves is supposed to make the two GPUs on that card behave like one (in other words, no Crossfire hit-or-miss). If it works it will be a GTX280 killer/dominator for sure. So there's your high end from AMD, Astro....
Yes, it seems their highest end yet to date is nigh

No 4870X2 review, but whilst we wait, the 4870 in X-FIRE outguns the GTX280 896MB, Crysis refuses to co-operate

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Obviously (and I hate to use that word, yet it is the reality) with multi-GPU setups, you are bound to run into problems as well. We surely had them as for example Frontlines would not even start, Crysis whatever we tried did not show performance improvements....
Of course, we'd like to see a GTX280-SLI vs 4870-XFIRE set of benchies, and please include a test of Crysis maxxed.

Looks like AMD and Crytek need to send each other some IMS and eml.s and get busy fixin stuff

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well, it does look like the ATI/Nvidia wars are back in full swing once again and all within two months. this doth hearken back to ye days of old with the X1900's and ye venerable 7900's...

in the meantime, any word on the CPU front?? information hasn't been very forthcoming in recent months with all the fireworks surrounding the GPU wars.


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in the meantime, any word on the CPU front?? information hasn't been very forthcoming in recent months with all the fireworks surrounding the GPU wars.
AMD has been releasing some unimpressing Phenom X3 and X4 variants, though better than the ones plagued by the TLB bug, they're still nowhere near challenging anything Intel has to offer...

In the meantime, Intel is solidifying their 45nm lineup and releasing the last chipset before stepping over to Nehalem.

So until Nehalem arrives with a bang (probably), or AMD releases something worth buying (highly unlikely, but hey, who knows?) it's all quiet on the CPU front...



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...in the meantime, any word on the CPU front?? information hasn't been very forthcoming in recent months with all the fireworks surrounding the GPU wars.
There are some reviewers out there that are starting to think that the AM2 Phenoms are 'irrevocably broke'.... Maybe when AM3 hits?? Q may be able to tell us more

For 'average users' many wouldnt notice the difference if they bought an AMD based off the shelf compy >> It would be moreso the cost factors theyd be interested in, so AMD can still have a decent share of that market.

Its only high end work/gaming app users that need that extra punch. Intel has been unhindered and unchallenged in this area(unfortunately)... although, again, because GPUs need to catch up to demanding game engines, CPUs havent had the focus they had in the past. Im sure that will change again.

Of course, Fusion could be the Ace up AMDs sleeve.

What is amusing is that AMD have been saying theyre happy to shoot for the middle market, and with the 4870(and soon the 4870X2) have two products that sit nicely alongside the 9800, 260 and even the 280...and at a significantly more attractive price.

It has taken everyone by surprise...even the chaps at Guru3D, who are GPU junkies par excellence. (I make all my gaming GPU purchase decisions after combing through their reviews)

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Pure bliss, pure victory, AMD's empire strikes back ! Let me call it, though both cards will win and lose from each other here and there, the Radeon HD 4870 is in fact competing with the GeForce GTX 260 in performance. Nobody expected that, well I certainly didn't!
I have to come clean...Ive pretty much decided that I'm going to grab a 4870 to pop in my AM2 shuttle to last it until I do a full upgrade next year. Gosh I hope AMD get their CPU act together by then...! It wont give me the 1600p kickassery I desire, but one of these definitely outshines my 8800GTS 640..

I will keep an eye on 4870X2 price(and dimensions), but am not hugely keen on 4870X2..... will have to see their upcoming benchies...., if the 4870-XF benchies are any guide, it must surely rival the mega expensive 280.

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^^^^
Astro going ATI!?!

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Unbelieveable, isn't it? DAAMIT has done a great thing this product cycle. You were right, stingerhs. R7xx is a tour de force.


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Astro going ATI!?!

[humming]its the end of the world as we know it...[/humming]
lolz...dont worry, there were a bunch of nv fanboys/girls Ive kept in touch with since my beta testing days, and they've been ribbing me all weekend from all corners of the globe...

choice of the bunch was this, via SMS from Sverige:

"4870 huh? You had ONE chance to save all kittens from being killed EVAR, and now you blew it!

ps- Ive already got two "

@Q >> the *real* winners are the geeks at Qimonda. Can you imagine those guys now, struttin around, braggin to checkout girls at RadioShack... "hey, I like invented GDRR5, oooohh yeaaaaah"

* * *

Edit: Some curious 4870X2 news: AMD to release 2 flavours of 4870X2

1. 2GBDDR3 Version >>>RRP $499USD??
1. 1GBDDR5 Version

certainly clears up the confusion that has been amassing about that

Looks like AMD are now in the mood to play 'pi$$ing contest' with nvidia

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Old 07-14-2008, 09:45 AM   #304
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OMG, OMG!
The NDA has lifted and here is Anand's preview of the 4870X2!


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Beat me to it Q

Theres a huge buzz of anticipation on this card unlike any other I can remember. I think it's because we all have the feeling that AMD is about to kick nvidias high end flagship card(GTX 280) in the nuts, after being in second place for sooo, sooo long

I like even the early numbers...but the size of the thing.... why dont they ever post dimensions dammit!!

Some more previews of this card for the curious:

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=14178&page=1

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15105

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2325444,00.asp

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews....d=588&pageid=1

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=590&type=expert

If anyone comes across the dimensions and posts them here, I will reward them with:
quantity= 1 buxom wench (*)

EDIT>>> nvm... the techreport article measures it as 10.5" in length, now to get that ruler out

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Anand described it as being "fairly compact for having 2 GPUs and 1GB (other sites report 2GB -weird ) of GDDR5 on board."

As would be expected, power consumption is enormous, but it seems to have quite the beefy heatsink to deal with all of the heat. I wonder how many +12v amps it will require.

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Comparing sizes, the Radeon HD 4870 X2 and GeForce GTX 280 are exactly the same length at 10.5 inches.
I want my buxom wench. Sherilyn Fenn will do.


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Anand described it as being "fairly compact for having 2 GPUs and 1GB (other sites report 2GB -weird ) of GDDR5 on board."
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UPDATE: Our initial publication of this article indicated a 2x 512MB framebuffer for a total of 1GB on board. We have since learned that the R700 we tested has 2GB of RAM total for 2x 1GB framebuffers. This has affected some of our analysis and conclusion. We do apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:22 AM   #308
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Thanks for pointing that out. It's an update and may have been added since I read the article. That's a lot of expensive memory on a ~$500 card.

All DAAMIT needs to do now is work on Crossfire scaling. I think that they're waiting until they release the X2 to present the new drivers. Remember that, aside from a hotfix, no new drivers were released with the 4850 and 4870. We may see improved (perhaps greatly improved) scaling and performance then.


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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I wonder if those reports of two versions of this card were moreso imagination than journalism

EDIT>> ah, looks like this is the missing link... people have been so focussed on the 4870X2, AMDs just put it out with far less fanfare...

4850 2GB announced

the benchies will be very intersting,....does any game/OS really know what to do with 2GB?? Can the architecture handle it... maybe Q can fill us in ?

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Old 07-15-2008, 04:42 AM   #310
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This is getting out of hand. I can understand the need for a 1GB version, but who would ever need 2GB with a single GPU?


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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This is getting out of hand. I can understand the need for a 1GB version, but who would ever need 2GB with a single GPU?
yep. But I'd really like to know...are modern games written to even utilise this properly?

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Old 07-15-2008, 01:06 PM   #312
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IMO, no. At 1600P maybe, but you'd probably find yourself needing more GPU horsepower at that resolution, and anyone gaming at 1600P ($1000+ monitor) can afford that horsepower, making that card rather pointless.


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Agreed, it's probably overkill for anything other than Crysis at lower resolutions, and even then, you'd probably only gain an extra 3FPS.

Great news about the 4870X2, can't wait to see it released and in the hands of third party suppliers!

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yes. chop chop negsun! Ive gotten several complaints from Lucasfilm HR department already, suggesting that your status has gone to your head and you were out on the casino circuit

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A poster at G3D put up an excellent COST vs PERFORMANCE SUMMARY, for those that want the quick n skinny on how AMD has just torn a huge hole in nvidias high end dominance...

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Benchmark from Various site

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3354&p=4

Anandtech's Benchamrk

Age of Conan 2560x1600 4xAA/16xAF
$499 4870 X2 : 44.8
$499 GT280 : 22.7

Crysis 1920x1200
$499 4870 X2 : 39.1
$499 GT280 : 34.3

Oblivion 2560x1600 4xAA 16xAF
$499 4870 X2 : 50.3
$499 GT280 : 36.8

Grid 2560x1600 4xAA
$499 4870 X2 : 84.2
$499 GT280 : 40.6

========================================

http://techreport.com/articles.x/15105/3

Techreport's Benchmark

Half life 2 episode 2 2560x1600 4xAA/16xAF
$499 4870 X2 : 84.6
$499 GT280 : 65.5

Quake War 2560x1600 4xAA/16xAF
$499 4870 X2 : 100.2
$499 GT280 : 74.2 /

Crysis 1920x1200
$499 4870 X2 : 24.8 average /17 min
$499 GT280 : 20.3 average /17 min

Race Driver 4xAA 1920x1200
$499 4870 X2 : 111.9 average / 77.0 min
$499 GT280 : 67.6 average / 56.0 min

========================================

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews....d=588&pageid=1

Driver Heaven's Benchmark

Call of Duty 4 - 2560x1200 4xAA 16xAF
$499 4870 X2 : 90 average / 49 min
$499 XFX GT280 XXX : 65 average / 33 min


World in conflict - 2560x1200 4xAA 16xAF
$499 4870 X2 : 61 average / 47 min
$499 XFX GT280 XXX : 44 average / 38 min

HL 2 Episode 2 2560x1600 8xAA
$499 4870 X2 : 110 average / 30 min
$499 XFX GT280 XXX : 69 average / 29 min


Minimum FPS

R700 mini fps very impressive.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/15105/3

Crysis 1920x1200
$499 4870 X2 : 24.8 average /17 min
$499 GT280 : 20.3 average /17 min

Race Driver 4xAA 1920x1200
$499 4870 X2 : 111.9 average / 77.0 min
$499 GT280 : 67.6 average / 56.0 min


http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews....d=588&pageid=1

Call of Duty 4 - 2560x1200 4xAA 16xAF
$499 4870 X2 : 90 average / 49 min
$499 XFX GT280 XXX : 65 average / 33 min


Call of Duty 4 - 2560x1200 4xAA 16xAF
$499 4870 X2 : 61 average / 47 min
$499 XFX GT280 XXX : 44 average / 38 min

HL 2 Episode 2 2560x1600 8xAA
$499 4870 X2 : 110 average / 30 min
$499 XFX GT280 XXX : 69 average / 29 min
pretty dang good eh

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And the new drivers haven't even come out yet. Expect some absolute lowball pricing by Nvidia on the GT200 line. I'm starting to see it already.

I think that ATI might just save AMD's a$$, at least for long enough to develop a CPU capable of competing with Intel's lineup once again.


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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I believe the technical term for that is: PWND!!!



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Old 07-18-2008, 05:25 AM   #317
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Well, the inevitable has finally happened. Needless to say, it's about friggin' time, AMD. Better late than never.


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Well, the inevitable has finally happened. Needless to say, it's about friggin' time, AMD. Better late than never.
whoa. 1.2 billion. That's a lotta tacos! it seems the performance of the 48xx series is a much needed breakthrough. That combined with the new honchos may give the place and its employees a breath of fresh air [/first handwritten post on tablet pc gizmo \0/]

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Couldn't have come at a better time either for AMD, since they just lost over 1 billion in revenue, and now have changed CEO...



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lolz negsun, did you skim read Q's post. But yes, well see what happens. Will AMD's 45nm gadget be able to compete with intel. That's the key

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