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Old 11-11-2007, 10:22 PM   #241
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Or not an RPG, but I don't think Bioware makes non-RPGs. Sweet. I kind of hope it's not KotoR III, to be honest. Another series would be cool.
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:21 AM   #242
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Uh...
QFT, anyone who hopes it's not KotOR 3 made by BioWare is clearly an imposter on this forum


Come to think of it...

Do you all think it's possible BioWare cold be working on two MMOs at the same time? I doubt it, they could possibly come into direct competition with each other, which wouldn't be good business would it?

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Old 11-12-2007, 07:28 AM   #243
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I just now noticed, at the bioware website, on the drop down menu for bioware games, it lists the lucasarts/bioware game separate from the mmo and the next gen game. So, would that mean they are different games, and bioware is not doing a mmo with lucasarts?
Thanks for pointing this out and welcome to Lucasforums!

I don't want to get my hopes up, but this could be a good sign. KotOR 3 was the first thing that came to mind when I heard of this deal.


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Old 11-12-2007, 07:31 AM   #244
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Maybe I'm overanalyzing this but the word interactive they use still bugs me...



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Old 11-12-2007, 07:37 AM   #245
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Same here.

Like I said: I don't want to get my hopes up.


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Old 11-12-2007, 07:45 AM   #246
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It could also be that Bioware heard the cries of people wanting KotOR3 that would never play an MMO... It is also possible that the MMO would somehow tie in to this new interactive project. It is also possible that the information from "source close to bioware" was WRONG! Of course there is another possibility that wouldn't sit well with some on here. That the MMO is the project that they are working on with LA and just don't want to give too much information away KNOWING how frequently people are looking for clues as to whatever the project is.
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:24 AM   #247
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QFT, anyone who hopes it's not KotOR 3 made by BioWare is clearly an imposter on this forum


Come to think of it...

Do you all think it's possible BioWare cold be working on two MMOs at the same time? I doubt it, they could possibly come into direct competition with each other, which wouldn't be good business would it?

My KotOR 3 hopes have raised by 11.92% again
I suppose its possible for BioWare to have 2 separate genres of MMO's out there, one for the sci fi/Star Wars fans and one to compete with WoW?
Probably best to wait & see... I hope I'm wrong, I want KotOR 3 as much as the next person!


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Old 11-12-2007, 10:52 AM   #248
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I find that unlikely. The resources they would have have to sacrifice would be too great. It's better to concentrate on a single MMO project. Besides, the two games would compete against each other.


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Old 11-12-2007, 11:43 AM   #249
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QFT, anyone who hopes it's not KotOR 3 made by BioWare is clearly an impostor on this forum
I am not an impostor. I find that Bioware RPGs have a tendency to be cliched plots. I would much rather that Obsidian did KotOR 3. While I am not thrilled with the plot of NWN 2. I love Chris A.'s work on KotOR 2 and Josh Sawyer's work with Mask of the Betrayer. Plus Josh has some interesting ideas make a NWN 2 module out of the remains Blackhound (What was supposed to be BG 3).


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Old 11-12-2007, 10:51 PM   #250
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You're absolutely right!
There goes about half the speculation and pointless MMO debating in this thread
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Not necessarily. It doesn't make it any more likely to be a sprpg then a mmo.

I believe they put it like that for the casual gamer who might "stumble" upon the site and check out the games list and say "oh wow, Bioware and Lucasarts are making a new game, that will be one to keep an eye out for." Because if it's not an mmo and if it's not a next-gen game......but an "interactive" one...what the hell does that mean? lol

Alas, we are left here to speculate...which is probably what they want anyways, because it brings more attention to the game itself [as if it needed more lol].

On a side note, I just can't wait to read all of the "I told you so" posts whenever we get an announcement.

For me, if it's Bioware and Kotor, I'm all over it, no matter sprpg or mmorpg.

edit - post 5,555 cool lol

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Old 11-12-2007, 11:25 PM   #251
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See the thing of it is, It doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't either the MMO that Bioware is currently working nor a seperate project. Since they don't want to comment on the MMO, if they removed the MMO they are working on and put up the "Lucasarts/Bioware Interactive Product" they would in essence be confirming that the MMO IS the "Lucasarts/Bioware Interactive Product" and we would have our answer.

Does it necessarily have to be that? No. It could very well be Monkey Island Adventures. The MMO could be Firefly Online(I wish haha but that's me) since that would not be their own IP and Multiverse has not announced who the developer for FFO is. Is it likely? Probably not. It is far more likely that they do not want to comment on the MMO nor the "Lucasarts/Bioware Interactive Product" as saying one is or isn't the other would give away more than they want to(though I expect "is").

Besides, Look at all the hype it is getting. Bioware hasn't said hardly anything. Yet you see the mounds of attention this blurb is getting. Viral marketing at its best...

IF however we see a "leaked" screenshot in January, then I might start standing firmly on the MMO side.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:01 PM   #252
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Here is something interesting I just stumbled across. Like anything else it's still pure speculation, but I really like the sound of it. I would prefer the mmo in this timeline vs the kotor one [which means there could still be a kotor 3 if this were true]. Now I've never read any of the EU, I just know the very basics. Still lots of things you could explore in this era.....

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Old 11-20-2007, 11:16 PM   #253
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Here is something interesting I just stumbled across. Like anything else it's still pure speculation, but I really like the sound of it. I would prefer the mmo in this timeline vs the kotor one [which means there could still be a kotor 3 if this were true]. Now I've never read any of the EU, I just know the very basics. Still lots of things you could explore in this era.....



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Old 11-21-2007, 02:36 AM   #254
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Anything not from an official source I'll take with a grain (or maybe several shakers) of salt, but here's to it being true. A post-RotJ MMO should mean the death blow for any hopes of a KotOR one.

Unfortunately looks to be no evidence at all that points towards its truth. Where did they even get those numbers for SWG players?


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Old 11-21-2007, 02:58 AM   #255
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That would be an interesting turn of events. It would be very nice to have a Star Wars MMO that I could tell people I play without having them look at me like I eat babies for breakfast.

I would rather it be set in that era myself. It would explain how someone would think that it was set in KotOR era as well... Bioware style, unfamiliar territories, people they aren't familiar with.
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:22 AM   #256
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Hmmm...it would be a nice time setting. The Republic and the Empire fighting over worlds, with many unexplored planets...

Everyone who read the books would recall, Mykr, Wayland, Sluis Van...all (relatively) unknown planets.

Too bad it would rule out an Kotor-time MMO.

We shall see what the future holds for SW gaming

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Old 11-21-2007, 09:27 AM   #257
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That would be bad, post ROTJ is just... Bad, IMO. it's taken until 130 ABY to get there act together. ouch


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Old 11-21-2007, 08:55 PM   #258
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I've got to agree with Emperor Devon. This Kyle Maguire guy doesn't provide any sources for where he obtained any of his info. How does he know that "LucasArts withdrew Star Wars MMO rights from SOE?" The only thing I could verify is that there are no SWG products for sale at Sony's Station.com Store but I don't follow SWG so I don't know if that has been the case for some time or this happened more recently. I also will be very surprised if LucasArts and BioWare make an MMOG in the Thrawn era.

Star Wars: Hand of Thrawn =

I thought Thrawn was a great character but that title sounds more like an expansion than a core game and IMHO an MMORPG title shouldn't be focused on a single character. Anyway, makes me wonder if someone is pulling this guy's leg.


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Old 11-21-2007, 09:23 PM   #259
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Yeah, I checked Lucasarts.com and all it says is that they've teamed up, and that release of their project idea will come at a later date. So basically, the "Hand of Thrawn" MMO is just a rumour he must have picked up on. I don't trust rumours, only facts.


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Old 11-21-2007, 10:27 PM   #260
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Yeah, I checked Lucasarts.com and all it says is that they've teamed up, and that release of their project idea will come at a later date. So basically, the "Hand of Thrawn" MMO is just a rumour he must have picked up on. I don't trust rumours, only facts.
Well spoken.

There are no exact details right now, just hearsay.

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Old 11-24-2007, 07:58 PM   #261
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Hmm, I'd definitely prefer a Kotor mmo over a post-RotJ one and sounds like that article was bogus. It has been removed from that site for now it looks like.


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Old 11-25-2007, 08:02 AM   #262
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Well, at least Lucas would be smart enough not to team up with $ony this time.

We know how good $ony is when it comes to MMO management as seen in swg. Largest subscribers, korean fans, great commercial, wonderous exposure, most successful mmo, and even celebs like Mr. T ... OH WAIT! THAT'S WoW. What did $ony do for swg? Oh yeah, successfully ruining it by reducing the number of subscribers, kindly ignore what the players want, and zero advertizing.

I would hate to see those guys getting their hands on any mmo title again, ever.
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Well, at least Lucas would be smart enough not to team up with $ony this time.

What did $ony do for swg? Oh yeah, successfully ruining it by reducing the number of subscribers, kindly ignore what the players want, and zero advertizing.
Yeah they never did a lot of advertising. It's funny, they just figured because it's "star wars" that people would flock to it, no matter how many bugs there were. WoW was sucessful from the start because of how polished it was from the word go. Granted their launch wasn't all that great, but I don't think many care at this point now. lol

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Old 11-25-2007, 07:23 PM   #266
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Hmm, I'd definitely prefer a Kotor mmo over a post-RotJ one and sounds like that article was bogus. It has been removed from that site for now it looks like.
Yeah I noticed they pulled it a few days ago. Some of those details seemed pretty far fetched [soe license getting pulled among others]. Alas I bring it up anyways to encourage more discussion on the topic.

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Old 12-01-2007, 07:58 AM   #267
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What has happened since the announcement?
Has BioWare or LucasArts told us anything? KotOR? If yes, KotOR MMO or SP?
Or we will have to wait...
Or have they at least said when they'll reveal the secret?
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:34 PM   #268
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They are going to reveal at a later date, that's all they said. And it hasn't come yet, so you will have to wait. I don't care really, because I at least know they're working on something big.


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Well it's a lot more than we had a couple months back.


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I, as much as any of you, want KOTOR 3 to be a reality. If anyone has said what I'm about to say, I'm apologizing now. Correct me if I'm wrong but before this new anouncement LA and BW have stated they are for sure NOT making a KOTOR 3 together. Its very likely that this partnership could be for a whole different game. They say they are making an "Innovative New Game". KOTOR 1 and 2 were so perfect, what is there to innovate? When I hear the phrase above I think of something completely new, like The Force Unleashed, and I just don't see how or why they would change KOTOR or "innovate" it. All I need is a new story line and I'll be the happiest person alive. Sorry if I don't reply to any replies to this but I don't make it to these boards too often.
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:07 AM   #272
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Interactive product=video game?

I know this has bothered quite a few persons here and I thought about it too. Primarily, what does it mean?

Well, I was reading a press conference done by some big company executive who I don't care about but does work or has a hand in the video game industry. See, he was talking about "interactive entertainment". Now I went:" Why would this guy talk about interactive entertainment?"
Then it struck me. Everywhere in his speech, where there was supposed to be the word "video game", there was "interactive entertainment". See where I'm getting at? No? Ok, a bit of clarification.

Many words change over time. The evolution of mentalities usually bring those changes along. The best example would be comic books. Originally, kids read comic books. It was aimed at kids. Then it changed mainly because they grew up. The industry followed. What happened next then? Those books got more mature. Suddenly, they were getting attention as serious works of art. Then the name changed. No longer should they be called comic books; that's for kids! So came along the term "graphic novel".

So replace the term "comic book" with "video game" in the above paragraph and the term "graphic novel" for "interactive entertainment". See?

Now, this is in no way an indication of a KotOR 3 being made, it's only to silence the "It-could-be-anything-because-they-call-it-an-interactive-product" crowd. It could be a game for mobile phones for all I know...


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"Interactive product" and "video game" have been used interchangeably for a long time.

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By who, Prime? Most Video Game designers don't call it that. It's possible that LucasArts told BioWare to call it that, although I find that rather unlikely. When someone talks about "Interactive Entertainment" I think of old school stuff like Space Ace. The "Press J or Die", ad nauseum. I'm probably wrong, but I can't help but get that feeling every time I look on BioWare's page.
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It's KOTOR III, don't have a source on this, but it's KOTOR III

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Wha..?

Whoa. What is up with this sudden "Oh, if its an MMO, that will be just fine, red, red wine, makes me feel so fine." attitude?
An MMO would ruin this game.
I use to be an avid player of the Warcraft RTS games...which were RUINED by WoW.
I now have to pay monthly, and level a hero to 70, before I can even gain any really cool game content. Which, by the way, ruins any type of real life any person has. Not to mention they completley ruin most of the major characters by making them "Bosses."

"O, hey guys! I just finished raiding the Malachor V Dungeon, and killed Scion! He dropped an epic Darkside Lightsaber! I'll tell you about it latter though, I have to get 2 hours of sleep before I go to work."
Did I mention that to kill him you would also need 39 other level 70 players help? Lol?
For the love of god. Keep it an RPG.


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A friend of mine told me that there'll be KOTOR 3 but it will be a MMO and that it was confirmed. Is that true?
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Whoa. What is up with this sudden "Oh, if its an MMO, that will be just fine, red, red wine, makes me feel so fine." attitude?
An MMO would ruin this game.
I use to be an avid player of the Warcraft RTS games...which were RUINED by WoW.
I now have to pay monthly, and level a hero to 70, before I can even gain any really cool game content. Which, by the way, ruins any type of real life any person has. Not to mention they completley ruin most of the major characters by making them "Bosses."

"O, hey guys! I just finished raiding the Malachor V Dungeon, and killed Scion! He dropped an epic Darkside Lightsaber! I'll tell you about it latter though, I have to get 2 hours of sleep before I go to work."
Did I mention that to kill him you would also need 39 other level 70 players help? Lol?
For the love of god. Keep it an RPG.
I just can't agree more! You just took my words from my mouth. That's exactly what I'm trying to say.
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Agreed. WoW may be the best MMO on the market right now, but it shot the WoW story to Hell. Oh, look, Illidan apparently has an infinite supply of Ankhs of Reincarnation. And in the next expansion, Arthas returns to be killable. Crap.
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Whoa. What is up with this sudden "Oh, if its an MMO, that will be just fine, red, red wine, makes me feel so fine." attitude?
An MMO would ruin this game.
I use to be an avid player of the Warcraft RTS games...which were RUINED by WoW.
I now have to pay monthly, and level a hero to 70, before I can even gain any really cool game content. Which, by the way, ruins any type of real life any person has. Not to mention they completley ruin most of the major characters by making them "Bosses."

"O, hey guys! I just finished raiding the Malachor V Dungeon, and killed Scion! He dropped an epic Darkside Lightsaber! I'll tell you about it latter though, I have to get 2 hours of sleep before I go to work."
Did I mention that to kill him you would also need 39 other level 70 players help? Lol?
For the love of god. Keep it an RPG.
Well, Scion is dead and you're assuming they take the standard MMO route which Blizzard did with WoW. Of course, having 40 players face a single Sith Master would be totally ridiculous, something that doesn't make much sense in the Star Wars context, as opposed to the WarCraft one.

As far as WoW goes, heroes from the previous games turning into bosses was something bound to happen. If it wasn't included, people would request to face them.

By the way, if someone doesn't have enough self-control to stop playing when he has to stop playing WoW, well, too bad.


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Agreed. WoW may be the best MMO on the market right now, but it shot the WoW story to Hell. Oh, look, Illidan apparently has an infinite supply of Ankhs of Reincarnation. And in the next expansion, Arthas returns to be killable. Crap.
Holy crap, while playing Battlefield 1942, I had to re-fight Omaha Beach 6000 times after taking it from the Germans! Dear god! That's the same for every multiplayer game? Oh the humanity! What have they done to World War II?!

By the way, Illidan is ultimately killed with the help of Maev Shadowsong and Akama. This is not against WarCraft lore at all. Remember how you had something else then heroes in WC3 that helped you defeat other heroes? Yeah.
There's no indication that Arthas will die at the end of the next Expansion. Kel'Thuzad and Kael'thas live even though players can confront them.


EDIT: By the way, there's a part in the game where Malfurion Stormrage speaks about his brother which seems to indicate that Illidan's story is not over.


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