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Old 04-10-2008, 03:06 PM   #41
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yes, i realize that, but if someone takes a break from the game, that night in bed they realize that it is still not possible.No matter what!
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Old 04-10-2008, 03:35 PM   #42
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What does it matter. Yes, we know he can't use lightning, those of us who read the EU do anyway. But the game makers took some artistic license. From the sounds of it it was for duel mode. And apparently its supposedly rediculous, because everyone and anyone can use "Dark Side" powers. (I use quotations because during the Killik novels there are discussions on if the force even has a Dark Side and Light Side, that its more how you use it)

If there is anything we should be arguing over its if Jedi who shouldn't use these powers can. Such as if Luke uses them, should he be allowed too?
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Old 04-10-2008, 03:40 PM   #43
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If there is anything we should be arguing over its if Jedi who shouldn't use these powers can. Such as if Luke uses them, should he be allowed too?
nice point...so neither darth vader, luke, or any other jedi should be able to use force lightning!!

*hmph!!!*that is very annoying!!.....

If I were a maker of the game, I wouldn't care about multiplayer players being able to not use lightning as luke.....they could suck it up and play as the apprentice if the lightning power is thatspecial...



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Old 04-10-2008, 03:45 PM   #44
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Or it could be balanced somehow. I know Corran Horn for one can absorb power. I am not saying everyone can do it (I know Luke can, to a much lesser extent), but lets use creative thinking, rather then everyone being the same mix it up. Thats why I loved Jedi Academy's multiplayer, so many options, so many cool things that could happen.
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Old 04-10-2008, 04:19 PM   #45
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true, but that still doesn't handle the fact that darth vader can not use lightning...

like jvstice said:

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Well in Dark Lord: the Rise of Darth Vader, he's still recovering from the loss of his arms and legs and the grafting on of is suit when Palpatine says that his cyborg parts will make him never able to use force lightning. So there's really no way to fit the ability into canon once Darth Vader both has his armor and is up and walking around once he's had his lifesaving surgery after his fight with Ben Kenobi, no matter how you look at it.
take that!


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Old 04-10-2008, 05:41 PM   #46
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I know where your coming from Littleman, but the whole Idea of the game is to use ridicules powers that aren't "realistic" or true to the films, The Idea of an apprentice pulling a Star Destroyer out of orbit is so non canon its got supershadow (Wookiee it )written on it. This is where your earlier question about canon and its various levels come in to play.

eg: In the EU Sidious can create force storms in space and destroy entire new republic fleets, In the Films (Which are the highest canon) The Jedi and Sith don't use Powers anything near that magnitude.

The licensed Games and books are fantasy within the fantasy, certain aspects are to be taken with a pinch of salt. Besides with George signing off on it, maybe Vader CAN use lightning now... Bigger things have been ret-conned


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Old 04-10-2008, 06:25 PM   #47
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This thread is n00b-tastic.
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Old 04-10-2008, 06:31 PM   #48
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This thread is n00b-tastic.
i agreee....lolz

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maybe Vader CAN use lightning now...
he can't...the time is set between the III and IV movies....

I understand the fact that the main reason they did it was for multiplayer, but still...........


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Old 04-10-2008, 07:01 PM   #49
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Darth Vader MAY have used Force Lightning during the attack on the Jedi Temple on Coruscant, where he still had 3 natural limbs... :P


But I thought Vader's Force Lightning restrictions was nothing more than a theory mentioned in a few author interviews...
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Old 04-10-2008, 07:06 PM   #50
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The licensed Games and books are fantasy within the fantasy, certain aspects are to be taken with a pinch of salt. Besides with George signing off on it, maybe Vader CAN use lightning now... Bigger things have been ret-conned
Oh no! If it does, then I'll... I'll... I don't know what I'll do, but it won't be pretty! Seriously, while I don't think Lucas is always choosing what's best for SW & the EU, some things should be left alone.
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Old 04-10-2008, 08:01 PM   #51
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I strongly agree with Miltiades...


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Old 04-10-2008, 08:18 PM   #52
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^Dude, srsly, just because Vader can use lightning does not mean its the end of the world. The game is based is based on a Sci-Fi universe, and to make it more appealing they may have some little changes.


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Old 04-11-2008, 02:12 AM   #53
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I understand the fact that the main reason they did it was for multiplayer, but still...........
Then why keep complaining? You can't change it, so why not just accept it? It is one tiny thing.
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Old 04-11-2008, 03:57 AM   #54
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he can't...the time is set between the III and IV movies....
I know all about when it is set, and what is happening in the SW universe (Maybe a bit too much ) and I agree with your reasoning, but what I was trying to say is, if George says that Vader can use lightning now (He hasn't to my knowledge, just making a point) then he can, Whether we like it or not GL is the Maker and everything must fit in with his vision of Star Wars, if not, it is considered C or N canon, Nothing is set in stone.

For the record I DON'T think Vader should use Lightning, the established reasons why he can't make sense to me. I'm just trying to explain that things change


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Old 04-11-2008, 09:47 AM   #55
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^Dude, srsly, just because Vader can use lightning does not mean its the end of the world. The game is based is based on a Sci-Fi universe, and to make it more appealing they may have some little changes.
I was just kidding. I don't feel that strongly about it. Should've added a smiley.
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Old 04-11-2008, 11:18 AM   #56
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Then why keep complaining? You can't change it, so why not just accept it? It is one tiny thing.
i know, i was just bringing it up, because it is kind of sad...


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Old 04-11-2008, 11:26 AM   #57
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I know all about when it is set, and what is happening in the SW universe (Maybe a bit too much ) and I agree with your reasoning, but what I was trying to say is, if George says that Vader can use lightning now (He hasn't to my knowledge, just making a point) then he can, Whether we like it or not GL is the Maker and everything must fit in with his vision of Star Wars, if not, it is considered C or N canon, Nothing is set in stone.

For the record I DON'T think Vader should use Lightning, the established reasons why he can't make sense to me. I'm just trying to explain that things change
I guess he could do as major a rewrite as that, but from a keeping fans point of view, that really would be like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs to that vastly undercut his own characterization and people he's licenced to his franchise without some sort of explanation.


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Old 04-11-2008, 12:40 PM   #58
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I guess he could do as major a rewrite as that, but from a keeping fans point of view, that really would be like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs to that vastly undercut his own characterization and people he's licenced to his franchise without some sort of explanation.
I severely doubt he would rewrite SW to such a degree, but I think adamqd's point is that, at the end of the day, GL can do what he likes with his creations, and no amount of complaining by fans can stop that.

We should count ourselves lucky - some things have massive rewrites (Enterprise, anyone?)
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Old 04-11-2008, 12:57 PM   #59
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Thats exactly what I'm saying Astor


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Old 04-11-2008, 02:13 PM   #60
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GL can do what he likes with his creations, and no amount of complaining by fans can stop that.
I know, but it is still extremely disturbing....do you agree?


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Old 04-11-2008, 02:17 PM   #61
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No, I don't. I personally don't have a problem whether Vader can use Lightning or not - there have been bigger controversies in Star Wars.

It's really not worth getting worked up over, man - just play the game when it comes out, and enjoy it! I know I will
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God, this thread is getting annoying.
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Old 04-11-2008, 02:41 PM   #63
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God, this thread is getting annoying.
exactly!!!

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It's really not worth getting worked up over, man - just play the game when it comes out, and enjoy it! I know I will
i will enjoy it! and your making it sound like im a lot more worked up than i actually am....like i said in the first post: i just thought it was a pretty bad flaw, that is all....

i hope no one here thinks this is an arguement.....it is in fact a debate...

so i hope no one is getting any hard feelings, cuz i still think all you guys are pretty cool and im not trying to make any enemies out of this....



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Old 04-11-2008, 08:04 PM   #64
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Oh My God.

This thread was n00b-tastic; now it is just plain retarded.

I'd normally respond: "It's a fantasy film! GET OVER IT!", but it's a GAME based on a fantasy film. It's a whole new level of pointless nitpicking. It may have escaped some people's attention but the whole game is insanely over the top. There's a completely unknown character raping the universe with the force, and some lightning gets up your nose? It's supposed to be a bit of fun.
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Old 04-11-2008, 09:59 PM   #65
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Although I will say this:


This debate has NOTHING on the gender alignment on the Exile. Absolutely nothing.
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Old 04-11-2008, 10:51 PM   #66
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I know, but it is still extremely disturbing....do you agree?
I think I'll just point to your signature in this case.


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Old 04-12-2008, 02:01 AM   #67
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yes, but it defies Star Wars Logic...
Does Star Wars really have much logic!? Its Star Wars!

Back on topic: It really doesn't matter all that much to me is Darth Vader actually gets to use force lightning in TFU. It will still be an awesome game. I think that if Darth Vader actually can use Force Lightning, it would have been a mistake that would have gone unnoticed...

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it would have been a mistake that would have gone unnoticed...
yes, that is possible...that, or he is so ripped with the force that he can heal himself so fast that you don't even notice he was hurt......but i dont like that idea, i like the mistake possibility better...

ps, did anyone see the force unleashed on gametrailers tv lastnight??(i watched it on spike tv)


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Old 04-13-2008, 01:49 PM   #69
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Relax everyone, in the singleplayer, Vader can't, he CAN't use force lightning. The apprentice uses lightning, but instead, Vader gets force choke. In duel mode however, he can use it but that's probably for gameplay and balancing reasons or something.
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Old 04-13-2008, 02:40 PM   #70
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Well, there is generally two ways to do multiplayer.
1) You get different characters with different abilities. You need to balance everyone, do a bunch of playtesting, and balance more. Think Pikachu vs Sonic vs Mario vs Falcon Punch!!!

2) You have AVATARS of different characters. Other than that, everyone is the same. You are either given a set of base abilities, or given a bunch of stuff to choose from, think JK series.

I think they are doing it like the JK series where character models are in no way related to how you play them in multiplayer, theya re just... models. SO you can do stuff like force grip boba or DS ObiWan or Sith JarJar.
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Relax everyone, in the singleplayer, Vader can't, he CAN't use force lightning. The apprentice uses lightning, but instead, Vader gets force choke. In duel mode however, he can use it but that's probably for gameplay and balancing reasons or something.
well, that's a plus......


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Jeez its just a game, I mean I can't live without lighting, even if Vader can't use it....we all know he owns anyways....
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yes, but they can't change all history and make it so he can..


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yes, but they can't change all history and make it so he can..
Why not?
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yes, but they can't change all history and make it so he can..
it's called ret-conn, and they can I'm afraid, I doubt they will though, as said earlier it's just for Game Mechanics...


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I doubt they will though
yes, that is what i meant....


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Old 04-20-2008, 02:04 PM   #77
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First off, I don't even see where Vader is using lightning in anything they've showed us so far (except duel mode screens and videos). Vader's choke is exclusive to him, and lightning is given to the apprentice.

I can't believe everyone overeacted over nothing.

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Old 04-21-2008, 12:50 PM   #78
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it's okay Secret Vader....but i personally dont think we're over-reacting...

we are just having a debate...


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Well, at a debate, you try to persuade the others by arguments. So far, it's basically nothing more then..."ZOMFG!!11 Vad0r uses lightning! Can't happen!"

I've seen good proof here that the single player Vader is just the one from the movies, without the lightning. But for 'honest match' reasons, he can use it in multiplayer, without frying his own behind off

Let's just leave it at that, shall we, gentleman/ladies?

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Well, MP has less canon status than SP
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