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Old 04-19-2008, 11:21 AM   #1
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Should Lucasarts be reported to the FBI?

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I've been WAY too suspicious of Lucasarts lately. I remember way back in March 3, 2004, when they cancelled "Sam and Max: Freelance Police" because of "current marketplace realities" and "careful market evaluations" or whatever excuse they used. It's because of this that an internet petition was created (and it got 32,500+ signatures), but I don't think Lucasarts even looked at it. I don't think they even care about that game... or ANY point-and-click adventure game, for that matter. They're probably holding the rights to those games hostage. What company does that to people? What company would hold a highly-anticipated game hostage for at least four years? I personally think the company is now composed only of people who hate that type of game, and want to prevent those games from being sold legally in the U.S. They're still sold in other countries, but not here! And why is their current lineup composed mainly of shooters, anyway? Is it because they want their customers to kill the people they hate by shooting them?

And about His Royal Majesty King James Ward, who became president in 2004... I don't trust the guy. He wants games that "kick ass" (our ass?). There was a G4 interview with him back in 2006, and in it, he said that the old point-and-click adventure games were like the Bewitched and Dukes of Hazzard movies, and that they will stay buried until he leaves or "at least 2015". He even claimed that the company's upcoming games were going to be better than them! What company's president would throw its classic heritage under the bus like that, and on cable TV to boot?

And about the interim president Howard Roffman? Well, look at this site, and you'll find out why I'm suspicious of this dude:

~snipped~

However, I'm willing to give the new president Darrell Rodriguez a chance, since he just recently started working for the company, and I don't think he was involved in any Lucasarts' current shenanigans. But I still stand by my belief that the company is performing suspicious acts, so suspicious, in fact, that I'm considering reporting the company to the FBI. I think they may have committed a white-collar crime so severe, it makes Enron's actions look tame by comparison.

But does anyone agree with me on this?

I have included a poll with my message, asking whether Lucasarts should be reported to the FBI or not. If you are suspicious of Lucasarts as well, feel free to tell me your suspicions. It's an open forum, so you can do that.

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Old 04-19-2008, 11:28 AM   #2
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I never thought about LucasArt's actions being suspicious in the sense you talk about, but now you mention it, the whole thing does smack of

And: haha! LucasArts' interim president creating books of soft porn? What a find!
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Old 04-19-2008, 11:47 AM   #3
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Interesting. Want to turn your rant into a feature for Mojo? You'll get front page space!
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:19 PM   #4
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I've got another Rant planned (a proper full-on rant this time) about how stupid LucasArts are for not re-releasing their old games. I'd like it if Mojo can make them more often!

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Old 04-19-2008, 01:11 PM   #5
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Well, report them to the FBI and it'll be a bit like the Jack Thompson vs Penny Arcade history, so no. I get why you're furious: But in all honesty, if Lucasarts start making adventure games NOW, they won't be any good. There is no Ron Gilbert, nor a Tim Schafer, a Dave Grossman, Larry Ahern, Jonathan Ackley, Noah Falstein, Hal Barwood, Mike Stemmle. Do you see where I'm going with this? The old group are all GONE.

Think of it this way. If the original Monkey Island/Grim Fandango games were The Empire Strikes Back then whatever the current team will come-up with will be Eragon. The games won't only be bad on their own, but compared to the originals they'll be $50 toilet paper.

That said, I do agree they just have to re-released the old games. Also, here's a good one for you Lucas: hand over Freelance Police to Telltale Games and publish it on your own, getting profit. Hey, 90/10. Lucasarts did 90% of the development before cancelling, Telltale does the other 10.

But FBI? Too much, I think.

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Old 04-19-2008, 01:21 PM   #6
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They may not have "the old gang," but they have something that old LucasArts never did: Howard Roffman!

It's only a matter of time before we're all playing "Jagged Youth: The Adventure Game"
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Old 04-19-2008, 01:50 PM   #7
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Old 04-19-2008, 02:07 PM   #8
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I think he was joking about the FBI thing. I hope.

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Old 04-19-2008, 06:22 PM   #9
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And hopefully about that Howard Roffman website. I'm pretty sure that's not the same Howard Roffman. The one that was in charge of Lucasarts was the same guy who was in charge of Lucas Licensing, correct? I'm pretty sure he's been mentioned in the aknowledgements of many of the Star Wars EU novels.


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Old 04-19-2008, 07:54 PM   #10
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a) This is the most ridiculous thread I've seen on this side of the Monkey Island Off-Topic forum.

b) The Howard Roffman with the web site and the Lucas Licensing/former interim LucasArts president Howard Roffman are in fact the same guy.
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Old 04-20-2008, 08:44 AM   #11
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I'm not joking.
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Old 04-20-2008, 12:40 PM   #12
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Old 04-20-2008, 01:46 PM   #13
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Hmm FBI is a little much, but no, they're the same guy.

Anyone see Guybrush humping LeChuck? I call dibs.
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Old 04-20-2008, 05:20 PM   #14
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Earlier on Waitohooru had two posts but only one post account.

Very suspicious! I say we go to the FBI.
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Old 04-20-2008, 05:51 PM   #15
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Strange.
That´s impossible.
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Old 04-20-2008, 11:19 PM   #16
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Old 04-20-2008, 11:50 PM   #17
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Howard Roffman is not the current president of LucasArts (As Udz has already pointed out).
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:06 AM   #18
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Yeah, he was never intended to be there permanently anyway. He was like Mike Nelson between Simon's departure and the arrival of Jim Ward - someone to fill the seat while a president was being searched for.
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Old 04-22-2008, 02:33 AM   #19
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Yeah, he was never intended to be there permanently anyway. He was like Mike Nelson between Simon's departure and the arrival of Jim Ward - someone to fill the seat while a president was being searched for.
I'd rather have some weirdo than someone from EA. Unless that someone knew how good it would be to license Monkey Island to Hothead Games and actually make a profit off of it. And then leave it alone.

Edit: weirdo not applying to people who take, er, erotic photographs of legally aged men, by the way.

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Old 04-22-2008, 08:59 AM   #20
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Okay, this is hypothetical, but... suppose Lucasarts was reported to the FBI, and the FBI actually found out that some, or maybe all, Lucasarts employees were guilty of committing crimes, and those employees actually were arrested. What do you think would happen then?
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:22 AM   #21
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I think the guy that did it would be seen as a real dick.


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Old 04-22-2008, 11:03 AM   #22
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Okay, this is hypothetical, but... suppose Lucasarts was reported to the FBI, and the FBI actually found out that some, or maybe all, Lucasarts employees were guilty of committing crimes, and those employees actually were arrested. What do you think would happen then?
But by that logic anyone could be doing something wrong. There's an ice cream parlor that won't sell strawberry ice cream? Crime. A video store that hasn't got In the Name of the Father? Sic 'em up, little buddy. What about the shady company who have been around for two years and haven't released a single game yet? Manny Calavera on a poodle stick, CRIME. What I'm saying is the odds of it being criminal activity are low. Anyone could be a criminal. But having a homosexual man for a temporary president doesn't break the law.
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I think the guy that did it would be seen as a real dick.
Really? Why? Who are you covering for!?!

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Lol, are you all out of your nut, now?? *i´m ougtha here*
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Old 04-23-2008, 05:30 PM   #25
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FBI!!! everyone freeze right there!! We were busting some drug lords, but we got a call about this LucasMart thing and came right away. You are all under arrest!

Ok, back to reality. Former LucasArts employee Shelley Day (who later worked with Ron Gilbert at Humongous Entertainment) was arrested in 2005 for fraud.
Anyway, not related at all, but that was a real deal. (I might have read that originally at Mojo... I don't remember)

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What do you think would happen then?
We'd have to look high and low for new places to use graphic.
Let us hope that does come to pass.


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Old 04-25-2008, 07:44 AM   #28
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Well, I currently suspect Lucasarts of the following:

Discrimination (So suddenly fans of point-and-click adventure games are worse than Star Wars fans? It's the new millennium, Lucasarts, and we should be a lot more tolerant of the other people around us!)
Wrongful termination (Not only do they cancel Sam & Max 2, they fire the people who work on it. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...)
Mass-market scam (Lucasarts knows everyone loves Star Wars games, so they make them... but the games Lucasarts makes now have weak storylines and poor gameplay, and are riddled with bugs and glitches...)
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I'll focus on the last point there. The only game LucasArts has made and released in the last four or five years was Star Wars: Republic Commando, which was excellent and was pretty much bug-free. Story was interesting too, being a grittier, down-to-Earth version of The Clone Wars and introducing the cool General Grievous before George Lucas ruined that coolness.

The Force Unleashed is looking pretty cool too so far, and after the amount of time they've spent with it I'll be surprised if it's buggy at all. They are claiming to be absolutely focused on the story, and I believe them. They may be taking their sweet time with both TFU and Indy, but I think it'll be worth it.

And as for point-and-click adventures will never be made be LucasArts again. By the time they've finished TFU, Indy and that rumoured Clone Wars game, they'll probably back at work on another Star Wars and Indy game. We can hope for a good original IP in there, but it won't be an adventure game. I miss them, but all the talent has gone on to bigger and better things.

Besides, the same 'discrimination' charge could be put against Double Fine too. The guys who did Day of the Tentacle and Grim Fandango making a platform game? Heresy!

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I'll focus on the last point there. The only game LucasArts has made and released in the last four or five years was Star Wars: Republic Commando, which was excellent and was pretty much bug-free. Story was interesting too, being a grittier, down-to-Earth version of The Clone Wars and introducing the cool General Grievous before George Lucas ruined that coolness.

The Force Unleashed is looking pretty cool too so far, and after the amount of time they've spent with it I'll be surprised if it's buggy at all. They are claiming to be absolutely focused on the story, and I believe them. They may be taking their sweet time with both TFU and Indy, but I think it'll be worth it.

And as for point-and-click adventures will never be made be LucasArts again. By the time they've finished TFU, Indy and that rumoured Clone Wars game, they'll probably back at work on another Star Wars and Indy game. We can hope for a good original IP in there, but it won't be an adventure game. I miss them, but all the talent has gone on to bigger and better things.
That's exactly why Lucasarts needs to be investigated now, because if they're not investigated, point-and-click adventures really will never be made by Lucasarts again.

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Besides, the same 'discrimination' charge could be put against Double Fine too. The guys who did Day of the Tentacle and Grim Fandango making a platform game? Heresy!
No, that's diversity, which is something I doubt Lucasarts has.
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Does anyone actually want LucasArts to make an adventure game any more? They don't have any of their talent in that department left! Or indeed any employees!

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Do they actually have programmers and artists in there?
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The only game LucasArts has made and released in the last four or five years was Star Wars: Republic Commando, which was excellent and was pretty much bug-free. Story was interesting too, being a grittier, down-to-Earth version of The Clone Wars and introducing the cool General Grievous before George Lucas ruined that coolness.
Yeah! And SWRC is great.
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Do they actually have programmers and artists in there?
If by "artists" you mean "con artists", then yes.
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I've been WAY too suspicious of Lucasarts lately. I remember way back in March 3, 2004, when they cancelled "Sam and Max: Freelance Police" because of "current marketplace realities" and "careful market evaluations" or whatever excuse they used. It's because of this that an internet petition was created (and it got 32,500+ signatures), but I don't think Lucasarts even looked at it.
You know, I originally wrote a point-by-point rebuttal to your quaint little post. But then, I thought for a little while, and thought that it'd be wisest not to waste anyone's time, and instead will point out a date to you.

FEBRUARY 22nd, 1999. QED.

These old games you lament? They're gone. Welcome to the whole "getting old" business. The band you really liked will get old and retire, the actor whose key role was the epitome of cool during your childhood will be diagnosed with Parkinson's and fade away from the public eye, and the games that you felt were the very best thing in the universe will be seen as little more than quaint antiques.
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You know, I originally wrote a point-by-point rebuttal to your quaint little post. But then, I thought for a little while, and thought that it'd be wisest not to waste anyone's time, and instead will point out a date to you.

FEBRUARY 22nd, 1999. QED.

These old games you lament? They're gone. Welcome to the whole "getting old" business. The band you really liked will get old and retire, the actor whose key role was the epitome of cool during your childhood will be diagnosed with Parkinson's and fade away from the public eye, and the games that you felt were the very best thing in the universe will be seen as little more than quaint antiques.
Wow... that was awfully cold, brah.

And what was the significance of February 22, 1999, again?

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Wow... that was awfully cold, brah.
Not really trying to be mean, just mostly dealing with my own frustrations regarding the lackluster state of things for our ever-forgotten kind. Zack & Wiki on the Wii was great, however. In a way, shocking, as the game did not come out from a LucasArts veteran, so there is most certainly hope. (Plus, that ice mansion level in Twilight Princess played eerily similar to the ever-annoying fetch quests, AND had a crate-moving puzzle, in case and of you SOKOBAN fanboys missed the good old crate-moving days (but hey, LBA1 did the very same thing for a stupid boat ticket, too!)

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And what was the significance of February 22, 1999, again?
"Bloody Monday," as Scott Murphy has so eloquently called it. That's when Sierra On-Line adventure division (which was the de-facto leader in the adventure game field, sales-wise at least, if I recall correctly...This is despite my obvious preference of LucasArts adventures, although certain Space Quests will always be on par to Monkey Islands for me). That whole ordeal was something that I'm happy to say most LucasArts fans still didn't really live through. EVERY game under development at the time was cancelled completely (Space Quest VII, Leisure Suit Larry 8, just to name a couple of "big ones"), and everyone just got really, really, like, BRUTALLY fired.

This date marks the time when the industry has conceded that the only kind of pointing and clicking that is considered "kosher" would be while executing "USE GUN ON MAN."
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Oh, we went through it all right. The date of death for the LucasArts Adventure Game was indeed March 3rd 2004. Burned into my heart, that date is hmmm! Never really liked Sierra's adventures. The only adventure company that could hold a candle to LucasArts was Revolution.

Zack & Wiki was great, but the constant threat of death for even simple things like standing around to work out a puzzle made me stop playing.

Telltale Games and Double Fine are the main upholders of the LucasArts spirit, although I'm eager to see what A Vampyre Story and DeathSpank will be like! They're not gone, they're just transmuting.

But saying that LucasArts should make adventures again is like saying a dead cook should keep cooking.

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The date of death for the LucasArts Adventure Game was indeed March 3rd 2004.
Yes, damned! I was in vacation and the whole vacation I looked forward to Sam and Max 2!!
I came home and the first E-Mail I´ve read was: "Sam and Max 2 canceled"!

And LA. No more Adventures!
Mh, every uh fan could spend 10 €, Ron takes his royalties and we can buy one of the best licenses in the world.
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The Sam and Max license or the Monkey Island license? I believe the former is in use.
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