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Old 04-22-2008, 09:46 PM   #1
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Nihilus' Face

Was anyone else a little disappointed when you didn't get to see what Nihilus looks like under his mask? Does anyone know of any artist renditions of what he might have looked like?
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Old 04-22-2008, 09:57 PM   #2
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Was anyone else a little disappointed when you didn't get to see what Nihilus looks like under his mask?
Personally, no. Nihilus embodies mistery, and to give away his facial appearence would have been counter-productive for the character.

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Does anyone know of any artist renditions of what he might have looked like?
I've never seen nor heard about one. It'd be quite difficult because there's practically no information on how he may look like, so any drawing would be completely arbitrary.
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:06 PM   #3
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There's an image on Wookieepedia in which you can sort of see a face behind the mask: http://images.wikia.com/starwars/ima...OR2Nihilus.jpg


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Old 04-22-2008, 10:42 PM   #4
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Actually the splash screen when you start the game reveals about as much.


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Old 04-22-2008, 10:50 PM   #5
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Old 04-23-2008, 02:20 AM   #6
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Zoom in.
He looks human-enough, but looks kind of like he's just wearing a black cloth on his face.


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Old 04-23-2008, 02:27 AM   #7
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Well, Visas Marr said that he looks exactly like a man. Or along those lines, so I guess that we should just go with that. Darth Nihilius is a [hu]man.

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He looks human-enough, but looks kind of like he's just wearing a black cloth on his face.
Or it's just very dirty.


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The Hasbro toy has an African style hairdo and a human featured face (What you can see of it) but that could just be artistic license on the part of Hasbro


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Old 04-23-2008, 05:38 AM   #10
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I always liked the notion of it being your Exile's. Goes along well with Avellone's 'darker half' idea about Nihilus, and it's always the familiar that can be the most frightening.

Too bad neither made it into the game, but with KotOR's engine it would probably have come across as fairly clunky.


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Old 04-23-2008, 10:03 AM   #11
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I always liked the notion of it being your Exile's. Goes along well with Avellone's 'darker half' idea about Nihilus, and it's always the familiar that can be the most frightening.
Yeah, I share this idea. His face depends upon the face you choose for the Exile. What, at the same time, doesn't mean his face is the same.


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Old 04-23-2008, 10:12 AM   #12
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Well, Visas Marr said that he looks exactly like a man. Or along those lines, so I guess that we should just go with that. Darth Nihilius is a [hu]man.
I don't think she's speaking literally, by the way. Given all Visas' talk of how powerful Nihilus is, to see him - some sort of dark god to her - cast down and killed would basically shatter her understanding of the universe.

To call him a man is to note the mortality of everything, even pseudo-gods that like to eat planets. It's a statement of his insignificance; something that contrasts nicely with everything that we have been told about Nihilus beforehand.


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Old 04-23-2008, 10:24 AM   #13
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The exact quote, for reference, is:

The Exile: "What did you see when you looked at him?"
Visas: "A man, nothing more."

I agree with Pavlos on the meaning behind it.
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I don't think she's speaking literally, by the way. Given all Visas' talk of how powerful Nihilus is, to see him - some sort of dark god to her - cast down and killed would basically shatter her understanding of the universe.
Probably. But seeing as how she sees the world around her (Force Sight), she could have also seen the Exile on Nihilus face. Her answer might have also been an evasive one.


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Old 04-23-2008, 10:49 AM   #15
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Probably. But seeing as how she sees the world around her (Force Sight), she could have also seen the Exile on Nihilus face. Her answer might have also been an evasive one.
That's a good point as well. At that point in the game I half expected Visas to respond with "I saw you" instead of "I saw a man, nothing more."
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Old 04-23-2008, 02:18 PM   #16
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I don't really think Nihilus would even have a face. I figured it was always just a black void, like the Nazgūl from LOTR.


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^ Well, that pic JCarter provided us certainly shows something else.


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Old 04-23-2008, 03:28 PM   #18
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It's only concept art.


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Old 04-23-2008, 03:47 PM   #19
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It's only concept art.
It looks the same in the splash screen when you start the game though, so I think it's valid. It's the same picture in the instruction book included with the XBOX game as well.
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Old 04-23-2008, 03:56 PM   #20
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If it's valid, then why isn't it present in the actual game?


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it is, whether it's because he was intended to have facial features, or because they used Model x and painted it black to create him in game, who knows>>



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Old 04-23-2008, 04:37 PM   #22
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If it's valid, then why isn't it present in the actual game?
it's pretty tough to see that detail behind his mask in the actual game. i'll take the cut scenes/splash scenes/intstruction manual as validation enough for me. of course you are entitled to your own interpretation, however.
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Old 04-23-2008, 04:56 PM   #23
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The reason it's tough to see detail behind the mask is because there is no detail.


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Old 04-23-2008, 04:58 PM   #24
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The reason it's tough to see detail behind the mask is because there is no detail.
Perhaps... I think there probably is detail, but the engine used in K2 doesn't allow for that amount of detail during gameplay. That being said, the splash scene and other material provided with the game (ie the instruction manual) are all we have to go by, and he clearly does have a face behind the mask there.

Also, Visas takes off his mask to look at his face, and she saw "a man", which isn't nothing.
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Old 04-23-2008, 06:16 PM   #25
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Visas "may have" been speaking metaphorically.


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I don't think she's speaking literally, by the way. Given all Visas' talk of how powerful Nihilus is, to see him - some sort of dark god to her - cast down and killed would basically shatter her understanding of the universe.

To call him a man is to note the mortality of everything, even pseudo-gods that like to eat planets. It's a statement of his insignificance; something that contrasts nicely with everything that we have been told about Nihilus beforehand.
I don't think she means it literally either, since her other responses are "I saw a graveyard world, surrounded by a fleet of dead ships. I felt it through him...as I feel it through you." and "Malachor V".


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Visas "may have" been speaking metaphorically.
That's a long shot. How does, even by cryptic speak, "Man" compares to "Nothing" or "Devoid of face"?

I do agree she's using a metaphor, but it's probably what me or Pavlos said it was or similar.


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That's a long shot. How does, even by cryptic speak, "Man" compares to "Nothing" or "Devoid of face"?

I do agree she's using a metaphor, but it's probably what me or Pavlos said it was or similar.
Yes, I completely agree with this statement. It probably was a metaphor, but not a metaphor for nothing. Perhaps we'll never find out, but it makes more sense to me that he's something, just as the Exile is something (and not nothing).
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:21 PM   #29
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I think it better that his face remains mysterious, however....

Personally I've always thought that his face was....




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I don't get it.


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I think it better that his face remains mysterious, however....

Personally I've always thought that his face was....

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