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Old 06-08-2008, 05:24 PM   #1
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and Bao-Dur dies...

i'm so gutted that Bao-Dur probably dies at the end of KOTOR2.


he was one of my fav characters!
is it possible that he has gone on some kind of secret mission, much like the Exile's, alone?

or is that just me wishful thinking?


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Old 06-08-2008, 05:50 PM   #2
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probably dies
Wait. Have you not beaten the game?

Bao's supposed death doesn't matter so much as the line isn't enough to go off of.



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Old 06-08-2008, 07:08 PM   #3
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yes i have, twice
but it only says 'sacrifice'
so it could mean a number of things!


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Old 06-09-2008, 12:02 AM   #4
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I refuse to believe my Bao is dead. Until I see indisputable proof in game, or actually hear it, in person, from Chris Avellone's mouth I refuse to believe it.


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I say that there is a 50% chance that he lived, and a 50% chance the hit the bucket....the possiblilities are endless.....

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Old 06-09-2008, 12:23 AM   #6
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I refuse to believe my Bao is dead. Until I see indisputable proof in game, or actually hear it, in person, from Chris Avellone's mouth I refuse to believe it.
Someone's in denial.
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I say that there is a 50% chance that he lived, and a 50% chance the hit the bucket.
Yeah. Really, the whole ending is so cur-fuddled that anything's possible. I think Bao-Dur died, either in the crash or on Telos in some way related to the cut HK factory. I can't think of any other explanation for why he wouldn't be on Malachor. But what I think doesn't matter, because as of now there's just not enough information to tell either way.


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Old 06-09-2008, 12:24 AM   #7
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Someone's in denial.
Nope, someone just wants indisputable proof.


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Old 06-09-2008, 12:25 PM   #8
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i might write yet ANOTHER story about KOTOR so i can reassure myself. XD

bao-dur can't be dead. he's bao-dur!


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Old 06-09-2008, 02:26 PM   #9
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What's so great abθut him?


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Old 06-09-2008, 03:40 PM   #10
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It's the voice, it can melt the hearts of both women AND men.

I never really cared about Bao-Dur much.
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Old 06-09-2008, 03:43 PM   #11
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I was much more affected by Visas Marr's voice, but I guess that's to be expected since I'm male.


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Old 06-09-2008, 03:56 PM   #12
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It's the voice, it can melt the hearts of both women AND men.
You mean the monotone "I'm a robot and don't know how to act" voice?

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Old 06-09-2008, 04:55 PM   #13
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I don't understand the fascination with him either. He's of little use (apart from the shield breaker ability, which is pointless after you get a Lightsaber), he has nothing to say, he can't seem to get past his army days 'Yes, General?', and, along with his remote, he provides what is, on the whole a pretty boring part of the game.

Let's be honest, would anyone notice if he died?
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Old 06-09-2008, 05:07 PM   #14
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^^ Melly would.


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Old 06-09-2008, 09:24 PM   #15
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As I understand it, both Bao Dur and HK-47 "disappear" when you go to Citadel Station / Telos for the second time (before going to the Ravager). HK-47 goes off to the HK Factory, but I don't think there's any evidence of where BD disappeared to, even among the cut content. But that's evidence enough that he didn't die when the ship crashed on Malachor, anyway. I doubt he managed to sneak back onboard without anyone noticing (though easy enough for Remote to be hiding onboard). All of the above is cut content, of course.

Doesn't nessicarily mean he's not dead, though. It seems that through cut content (or a few that are actually still in-game) almost every character has some sort of "climax" during the final part of the game. Minus T3, which could be explained by the fact that he has so many important parts through the game already and didn't need one, and Bao Dur (and possibly Desciple, can't remember, but who cares about him anyway ). Unless you count Remote as Bao Dur's, but I don't. So maybe in the early stages of the game he was meant to have his own little portion at some point, but it got cut early. Maybe he was supposed to die, and it was deemed too "harsh", and thus cut.

There has to be something to the whole disappearence thing.
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:29 PM   #16
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Yeah. Really, the whole ending is so cur-fuddled that anything's possible. I think Bao-Dur died, either in the crash or on Telos in some way related to the cut HK factory. I can't think of any other explanation for why he wouldn't be on Malachor. But what I think doesn't matter, because as of now there's just not enough information to tell either way.
Yeah, I tend to believe that Bao-Dur died too. I think that he made his remote sut down the shadow generator because he died and was unable to. I could be mis-interpreting it though....anything is possible though...

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Old 06-09-2008, 10:28 PM   #17
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It seems that through cut content (or a few that are actually still in-game) almost every character has some sort of "climax" during the final part of the game. Minus T3, which could be explained by the fact that he has so many important parts through the game already and didn't need one, and Bao Dur (and possibly Desciple, can't remember, but who cares about him anyway ).
Disciple and Hanharr got squat, and the others were all cut (save Visas and Brianna). But yeah, it seems like something's missing with Bao-Dur.

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Maybe he was supposed to die, and it was deemed too "harsh", and thus cut.
Nah, there were a lot of NPC deaths that were cut, purely due to time constraints. And Visas can still die in the final version of the game.

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There has to be something to the whole disappearence thing.
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I could be mis-interpreting it though....anything is possible though...
Yup.


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Old 06-10-2008, 12:01 AM   #18
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Hanharr gets... to lose to Mira if you play lightside. Yah, that.

I've only played Dark Side twice, one of them being my current playthrough which I'm still in the process of playing and the other being quite a while back, so I couldn't remember if he did or not. I thought I remembered him basically taking Mira's place, and fighting another greater storm beast instead of having a Mira fight.

I forgot about Visas' possible death. Though they built that up all throughout the game, what with her saying she was going to die for you a bajillion times. Bao Dur would be a bit more unexpected, and maybe that's why. Or maybe it was just cut for the sake of being cut, I dunno. Maybe they never even had a plot for it, maybe his disappearence is supposed to be a mystery.
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Old 06-10-2008, 12:04 AM   #19
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That would be my best guess.

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Old 06-10-2008, 12:51 AM   #20
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^^ Melly would.

Yeah, me! And several other ladies on other boards. Seriously, Bao-Dur is my favorite character and I would be completely hacked and loathe this game that I love now, if it turned out he died.


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Old 06-10-2008, 02:29 AM   #21
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Hanharr gets... to lose to Mira if you play lightside. Yah, that.
That's way back on Nar Shaddaa, though.

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I thought I remembered him basically taking Mira's place, and fighting another greater storm beast instead of having a Mira fight.
Hmm...never actually had him in my party, but still, that's not as big as any of the others. And Disciple's got squat. Mr Avellone did say in an interview a while back (forgive me...don't have the link) that if he had to do it over again, he'd drop Hanharr and Disciple as party members.


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Old 06-10-2008, 03:09 AM   #22
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That's way back on Nar Shaddaa, though.
I believe he's referring to when they fight on Malachor.

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They don't fight on Malachor if Hanharr's in your party. Mira is long dead.


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Old 06-10-2008, 01:48 PM   #24
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You mean the monotone "I'm a robot and don't know how to act" voice?
Yep. Look for the last three topics about Bao around this thread and you should find my complaints on his voice.


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They don't fight on Malachor if Hanharr's in your party. Mira is long dead.
He says if you're lightside. That would mean Mira's in your party, and then they fight on Malachor.

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Ah, I misread. Well, still, he gets squat as a party member.


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Ah, I misread. Well, still, he gets squat as a party member.
Very true. I did like his Wookie Frenzy feats, but other than that he was ridiculously useless.

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...but other than that he was ridiculously useless.
Hmm, kind of like Zaalbar. I think they're setting a poor precident for video game Wookiees. We should revolt, form a union, etc.

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Hmm, kind of like Zaalbar. I think they're setting a poor precident for video game Wookiees. We should revolt, form a union, etc.
Yeah, even on Kashyyyk Zaalbar was useless.

I'm not sure why, but LucasArts seems to hate Wookies in general.

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Well they're not Jedi (for no particular reason).

Also, show the Wookiees some love yourself. Two E's ftw.

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Yeah, even on Kashyyyk Zaalbar was useless.

I'm not sure why, but LucasArts seems to hate Wookies in general.

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They're just bitter that Return of the Jedi was ruined by the fact they couldn't pull off Wookies at the time, so had Ewoks instead, and everyone knows it sucked and made no sense. So as revenge LA has decided to make the Wookies pay for the incompetence (well someone has to take the fall, but never the big suit who's responsible!)



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Well they're not Jedi (for no particular reason).

Also, show the Wookiees some love yourself. Two E's ftw.
Yeah, they weren't Jedi - but I tried to like Hanharr. I tried to use him, and I turned him into a pretty good fighter. But plain and simple, his storyline sucks.

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I don't know about that... I think a Wookiee would wear a bigger suit than anybody working for LucasArts.
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What storyline? o.O He has about as much story as Bao Dur. xD

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What storyline? o.O He has about as much story as Bao Dur. xD
Case in point.

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Aww, so much Bao hate makes Melly sad.




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Hey now,

I don't exactly hate him, its just that the circumstance with him doesn't seem all that favorable.

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On the topic of Hanharr, I thoυght he was cooler than Zaalbar by several orders of magnitude, if for no reason other than the fact that he wasn't a goody-two-shoes lightsided rip-off of Chewbacca.

On the actual topic of this thread, I probably would've thought Bao-Dur was a decent character if he got a decent amount of dialogue like everyone else.


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On the topic of Bao-dur, he followed Kreia to Malachor and got killed. this will be shown in TSLCR.
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Is that actually referenced in the game files or something, or are you just making it up to explain his disappearence?

Makes sense either way, I'm just wondering.
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It's hard to tell what happened to Bao, because the plot is utter crap by the time you get to the end. I mean, how do you know to go to Malachor in the first place? There's just so many plot twists in such a short amount of space, that the plot makes no sense. It's like MGS2. Jae can vouch for me there as a big MGS fan.

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