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Old 07-18-2008, 12:13 AM   #1
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EA to Play in Knights of the Old Republic

Don't know if anyone else has broken this here, but here it is boys and girls!


http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs...e-old-republic

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/17/po...ing-kotor-mmo/

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9993349-1.html


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Old 07-18-2008, 12:25 AM   #2
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Old 07-18-2008, 12:27 AM   #3
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As most all of us have agreed, we don't want a KOTOR MMO. Lucasarts doesn't seem to be paying much attention to the members of LF.


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Old 07-18-2008, 01:53 AM   #4
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Why they are even bothering with an mmo I have no idea. I don't think it would be able to compete with the mmos on the market right now...... Just give us all what we really want. :?


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ima chargin mah vitriol cannon...
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The forum admins on Bioware still say it's a rumor so you guys may be in-luck.

Or not
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Old 07-18-2008, 02:19 AM   #7
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The forum admins on Bioware still say it's a rumor so you guys may be in-luck.

Or not
that's because they can't say anything without a green-light from a higher-up, otherwise they're breaking NDA and putting their jobs at risk.
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Old 07-18-2008, 02:21 AM   #8
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that's because they can't say anything without a green-light from a higher-up, otherwise they're breaking NDA and putting their jobs at risk.
I know, I'm just giving you guys some false hope.

It's my job.
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Old 07-18-2008, 02:22 AM   #9
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I know, I'm just giving you guys some false hope.

It's my job.
have you no shame!?
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Old 07-18-2008, 02:24 AM   #10
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Old 07-18-2008, 05:44 AM   #11
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Dancing cows...nope, he has no shame

Anyways, MMO=money.
Kotor=loved game
Kotor + mmo = many fans who will buy it and pay money

Galaxies proved they don't give a sh*t about storytelling. Two million Jedi running around in a time where there's supposed to only be 1? HK-47 cameo? If Galaxies was just anything like it used to be....

Let's face it: True RPG/roleplaying fans like us won't like that MMO. I mean...some of us use only 1 lightsaber in the Kotor game out of roleplaying reasons...and we'll have to face angrykenobi1995 who wields seven sabers and has the 'zomgzor robe of +2 Wookieebreath' ?

I'm currently playing WoW. It respects the Warcraft Universe. All the Warcraft heroes are there and far stronger then you can ever become. You don't have thousands of palladins running around called 'Arthaslover17' and such, simply because every class is balanced. And, Jedi aren't....

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Old 07-18-2008, 06:35 AM   #12
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I dont think 2million people have played SWG, never mind been a Jedi.

If you read Dark times, Rebellion, Legacy you'll find that more Jedi survived than died.

Why do people insist that game mechanics... or in fact a GAME mess up canon? revanownsU123 is not in the Essential Chronology (I could be wrong)

Explain to me how the Jedi Profession in SWG is unbalanced?


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Old 07-18-2008, 02:25 PM   #13
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If you read Dark times, Rebellion, Legacy you'll find that more Jedi survived than died.
No, more Jedi died than survived. But there were MANY Jedi in the Republic, far more than the New Jedi Order has, even around 130 ABY i think. Many Jedi on the Outer Rim or who were fairly powerful (such as Shaak Ti or the Dark Woman) survived, some to be killed by Vader, others who lived on until the New Jedi Order.
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Old 07-18-2008, 02:28 PM   #14
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I think adam may be referring to those who survived Order 66. The purge wasn't instant - there were more than a few Jedi Rebellions.

In all, around about 50 survived the complete purge.






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Old 07-18-2008, 02:37 PM   #15
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you'll find that more Jedi survived than died.
I think I speak for all of us when I say "bull****".


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Old 07-18-2008, 02:40 PM   #16
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@ Astor: Agreed, I was exaggerating a bit, but people bitch about there being Jedi between 19bby and 4aby other than Yoda Obi and eventually Luke, but thats been retconned on a monthly basis for years, theres more and more Jedi keep reappearing after the supposed purge



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Old 07-18-2008, 03:00 PM   #17
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I think I speak for myself when I say your the purist ******* i've ever had the chance to post with

@ Astor: Agreed, I was exaggerating a bit, but people bitch about there being Jedi between 19bby and 4aby other than Yoda Obi and eventually Luke, but thats been retconned on a monthly basis for years, theres more and more Jedi keep reappearing after the supposed purge
yeah but it's still like no more than 50. 100 tops.
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Old 07-18-2008, 03:04 PM   #18
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you are of course correct what I meant was, out of the known Jedi, or named Jedi a large percentage survive (the ones we know about)


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Old 07-18-2008, 03:44 PM   #19
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you are of course correct what I meant was, out of the known Jedi, or named Jedi a large percentage survive (the ones we know about)
that's true...named people tend to live longer it seems XD
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Old 07-18-2008, 03:57 PM   #20
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Problem is, Lucasarts knows how to make lots of money. MMOs make lots of money. Since the KOTOR franchise is so popular, there are tons of random kids who want to play it, whether it be an MMO or not, because they do not understand how a SPRPG for a game such as KOTOR has far more game-playing quality than an MMO. All they want is mindless lightsaber wielding, uber jedi 'fun'. Too many people don't recognise the importance of a good storyline.


Please feed the trolls. XD
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Old 07-18-2008, 04:26 PM   #21
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hearing this really destroyed what i was hoping for
kotor mmo=not playing
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Old 07-18-2008, 04:44 PM   #22
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your the purist ******* i've ever had the chance to post with
Since when does my argument have anything to do with purism?


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Old 07-19-2008, 01:12 PM   #23
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I apologize, the correct definition is...

purism
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strict observance of or insistence on purity in language, style, etc.
purist adjn
puristic adj



Next time you feel like giving a dictionary definition, stick with Webster's. Thanks.

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Old 07-19-2008, 01:15 PM   #24
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Are you sure you're using the right dictionary there, adam?






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Old 07-19-2008, 01:58 PM   #25
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Personally I'm very excited about the KOTOR MMO, it has brought me back to these forums which I haven’t posted in since 2003. I'm also glad that Veran t& SOE have their hands off of this title, hence the KOTOR MMO will actually have a chance to succeed.

I agree that the KOTOR games were fantastic, and I also agree that there should be a third single player title to add some closure to the single player experience while laying the foundation for the coming KOTOR MMO.

The one thing that I want to remind everyone is that Blizzard (Creators of Starcraft, Warcraft, & Diablo) did the same thing back in 2003/2004 that Bioware is doing now. Blizzard took one of their most beloved and successful RTS games (Warcraft) and successfully converted World of Warcraft (Their first MMO) into the most successful MMO of all time. At first, when they announced their change in direction they were received with harsh criticism from their fan base BUT, their fan base chose to have faith in the developer of the game.

You know why?

Because Blizzard (Like Bioware) held/holds an incredible track record for excellence in game design.


I believe that the KOTOR MMO will not stand unless the player base decides to back up the development team and give the team trust and support, by in part, helping create a positive news culture around the game.

I propose that we agree to disagree on these issues in the following weeks but I hope that the KOTOR base will unite behind Bioware’s bold new endeavor.


It is good to be back here.

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Old 07-19-2008, 02:37 PM   #26
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Ok, let's draw the line and take down on the paper conclusions:
Bad things:
It's a MMO
50% done until 2011???? WTF?

Good things
It's for PC
We know Lucas didn't forgot about us!!!
It's made with EA, this means it will ROCK!!!!
It's made by BioWAre, again this will ROCK!!!!

Conclusions: IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT FASTER, LET'S ASSASSINATE THE PRESIDENT OF USA AND LUCAS AND THE EA BOS!!!

Who's the new USA president btw???

Edit: But is it possible to take that long for an MMO. 50 % done until 2011??? Like in 2 and a half years 50%???? That means the whole thing will be more then 5 years?!?!?!

Maybe they will make a normal RPG with an the variant of the MMO, like a multiplayer...

DAMN IT IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE MMO THING THIS WOULD'VE ROCKED SO BAD THE EARTH WOULD SHAKE!!!


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Old 07-19-2008, 02:44 PM   #27
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50% done until 2011???? WTF?
OMGWTF! Tone down the text size next time, it's incredibly annoying.

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It's made with EA, this means it will ROCK!!!!
No, it won't.

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Conclusions: IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT FASTER, LET'S ASSASSINATE THE PRESIDENT OF USA AND LUCAS AND THE EA BOS!!!
Because that's exactly the kind of measured response that's needed in this situation.

Oh, and Boss has two 's's, see?






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Old 07-19-2008, 02:49 PM   #28
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I know it has to "S"!!!!
I was so... so.... so "in-a-way" that I didn't typed it xD

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Don't mind that ^. OK, I understood your point ^^


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Old 07-19-2008, 02:54 PM   #29
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Because Blizzard (Like Bioware) held/holds an incredible track record for excellence in game design.
That doesn't mean that it will be good - many thought that about Episode I - 'oh, it Star Wars, has to be good, right?'

Judging on past exploits is all well and good, but means nothing in the end.







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Old 07-19-2008, 03:23 PM   #30
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Personally I'm very excited about the KOTOR MMO, it has brought me back to these forums which I haven’t posted in since 2003. I'm also glad that Veran t& SOE have their hands off of this title, hence the KOTOR MMO will actually have a chance to succeed.

I agree that the KOTOR games were fantastic, and I also agree that there should be a third single player title to add some closure to the single player experience while laying the foundation for the coming KOTOR MMO.

The one thing that I want to remind everyone is that Blizzard (Creators of Starcraft, Warcraft, & Diablo) did the same thing back in 2003/2004 that Bioware is doing now. Blizzard took one of their most beloved and successful RTS games (Warcraft) and successfully converted World of Warcraft (Their first MMO) into the most successful MMO of all time. At first, when they announced their change in direction they were received with harsh criticism from their fan base BUT, their fan base chose to have faith in the developer of the game.

You know why?

Because Blizzard (Like Bioware) held/holds an incredible track record for excellence in game design.


I believe that the KOTOR MMO will not stand unless the player base decides to back up the development team and give the team trust and support, by in part, helping create a positive news culture around the game.

I propose that we agree to disagree on these issues in the following weeks but I hope that the KOTOR base will unite behind Bioware’s bold new endeavor.


It is good to be back here.

Regards,

VanishingVision
Totally agree. I want a single player KOTOR 3 way more than a KOTOR MMO. But we should wait and see what direction they're taking this game in before we tar and feather BW and LA like an angry mob.

Side note: We can totally lynch EA F**k them...
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Old 07-19-2008, 04:41 PM   #32
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I want to see EA... change....

Uhhh...
KOTOR MMO = money. Don't rememeber who up there said that, but it's very true. Remember the number one goal of a company: to return the maximum profit to the share-holders. Lucas Arts sometimes goes about doing this by making video games.

You know, as long as this MMO doesn't create any problems for the series, I don't have a problem with it. I don't even see it as hindering the production of a K3, should LA decide to develop it at the same time. The more fans LA can market to, the better.
But this chart kind of spells out the hurdles that Bioware will have to face to make this work.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i4...6_image001.png

Just remember kids, if you guys know there's a 50-50 split for one game over another, then so does LA and Bioware.
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I'm still waiting for Kotor 3. This is another Star Wars MMO for me.


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^ Too right, mate. Luckily, this MMO shows that LA hasn't forgotten the series. Maybe we won't have to wait too much longer.
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Joy.

It will never be KotOR in my eyes. Ever. I don't think that it is proper to just make it a MMO when there are already two non-MMO games out. Not proper at all. I'm not real happy about this. It will never be KotOR in my eyes....

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Joy.

It will never be KotOR in my eyes. Ever. I don't think that it is proper to just make it a MMO when there are already two non-MMO games out. Not proper at all. I'm not real happy about this. It will never be KotOR in my eyes....
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Personally I'm very excited about the KOTOR MMO, it has brought me back to these forums which I haven’t posted in since 2003. I'm also glad that Veran t& SOE have their hands off of this title, hence the KOTOR MMO will actually have a chance to succeed.

I agree that the KOTOR games were fantastic, and I also agree that there should be a third single player title to add some closure to the single player experience while laying the foundation for the coming KOTOR MMO.

The one thing that I want to remind everyone is that Blizzard (Creators of Starcraft, Warcraft, & Diablo) did the same thing back in 2003/2004 that Bioware is doing now. Blizzard took one of their most beloved and successful RTS games (Warcraft) and successfully converted World of Warcraft (Their first MMO) into the most successful MMO of all time. At first, when they announced their change in direction they were received with harsh criticism from their fan base BUT, their fan base chose to have faith in the developer of the game.

You know why?

Because Blizzard (Like Bioware) held/holds an incredible track record for excellence in game design.


I believe that the KOTOR MMO will not stand unless the player base decides to back up the development team and give the team trust and support, by in part, helping create a positive news culture around the game.

I propose that we agree to disagree on these issues in the following weeks but I hope that the KOTOR base will unite behind Bioware’s bold new endeavor.


It is good to be back here.

Regards,

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well spoken there. have some thrust in bioware people.


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I would have more faith if EA weren't involved. EA has a tendency to trample intellectual properties until they are no longer recognizable. Sorry EA guys...it's how I feel, and now that Bioware is part of EA...well I shudder at the thought.

I would have perhpaps rather seen Lucasarts go back to Obsidian...it would make me feel better.


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^ Umm, I've noticed EA has been bucking their trend lately... since John Riccitiello took over. I've got much more faith in EA these days than LucasArts to produce a good game. Besides, EA owns Bioware. That's it. EA isn't developing, EA isn't publishing. How much could they possibly manage to meddle with, if they even do? And how naive and overly optimistic can I possibly sound? XD

Speaking of Obsidian, though... what was the last anyone heard from them on K3, if at all?
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Obsidian is cr@ap imo.
They did almost no improvement in K2... They did changed the pixies with normal faces, they changed the interface of the main screen and the mini-games, and they added few animations...
That's all the technical improvement they done... And it's clearly that more ppl enjoyed more playing K1 then TSL...
So I think that Bioware will do a great job, regardless if it's own by EA or not...
And EA always brought games that I enjoyed the most, including the MoH series, the HP series, the NfS series, The Sims 2 and the Fifa and NBA series made by EA Sports...


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