MAJOR PLOT SPOILERS

Jason Skywalker · 07-24-2008, 11:28 AM

So, apparently, Wookieepedia got a hold of a copy of the TFU novel. Spoilers are as follows:

- Starkiller's real name is Jacob Nion.
- After he duels with Vader, he is then killed by Palpatine, 2 BBY. One of the game's possible endings i'm assuming.
- Jacob's mother died while defending Kashyyyk from Trandoshan slavers.
- After Jacob's death, Juno joins the Rebellion.

Those are the major points i saw. Discuss.

TKA-001 · 07-24-2008, 03:17 PM

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Starkiller's real name is Jacob Nion.

How is the name of the player character a "major spoiler"?

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After Jacob's death, Juno joins the Rebellion.

How does a person like that get into the Empire in the first place?

Lord Foley · 07-24-2008, 04:28 PM

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How does a person like that get into the Empire in the first place?

A person like what?

And as far as this thread is concerned, I think wookiepedia is pretty much a festering pit of people claiming to have inside information.

EDIT- Though I do like that his first name is a real world one. It fits more with the OT that way imo.

M@RS · 07-24-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Skywalker

So, apparently, Wookieepedia got a hold of a copy of the TFU novel. Spoilers are as follows:

- Starkiller's real name is Jacob Nion.
- After he duels with Vader, he is then killed by Palpatine, 2 BBY. One of the game's possible endings i'm assuming.
- Jacob's mother died while defending Kashyyyk from Trandoshan slavers.
- After Jacob's death, Juno joins the Rebellion.

Those are the major points i saw. Discuss.

I like this, it looks like a nice plot...

I like his name, too...

Rev7 · 07-24-2008, 08:12 PM

His name doesn't sound Star Wars like...

A lot of the stuff, I already knew.

M@RS · 07-24-2008, 08:55 PM

Well not all of the names are Star Wars like, like Luke, Leia and so forth

RyuuKage · 07-24-2008, 11:20 PM

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Well not all of the names are Star Wars like, like Luke, Leia and so forth

yeah, but Jacob Nion sounds way more real-world than Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, and Han Solo (the solo part, lol). Don't forget they're pretty much the only people in the OT with regular-ish names. Mon Mothma. Crix Madine. Biggs Darklighter. Wedge Antilles. Bail Organa. Wilhuff Tarkin. Owen and Beru Lars.

Heck, "Ben" is just Obi-Wan Kenobi's nickname...

Rev7 · 07-25-2008, 01:32 AM

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Well not all of the names are Star Wars like, like Luke, Leia and so forth

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yeah, but Jacob Nion sounds way more real-world than Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, and Han Solo (the solo part, lol). Don't forget they're pretty much the only people in the OT with regular-ish names. Mon Mothma. Crix Madine. Biggs Darklighter. Wedge Antilles. Bail Organa. Wilhuff Tarkin. Owen and Beru Lars.

Heck, "Ben" is just Obi-Wan Kenobi's nickname...

QFT.

Jason Skywalker · 07-25-2008, 06:55 AM

Lol, i knew i should have named this "MAJOR PLOT SPOILER and some interesting tidbits".

Owen seems pretty real-world to me.

RyuuKage · 07-25-2008, 12:51 PM

owen might be, possibly even lars. Wilhuff is similar to some germanic names i've seen, but still, and han is real if you hit china. But, none of those sounds remotely as normal as Luke or Leia.

Lord Foley · 07-25-2008, 05:13 PM

I'd say Owen is more real world than Leia.

RyuuKage · 07-25-2008, 06:14 PM

lol, Leia is a real name, it's just usually pronounced Lee-uh and is spelled three or four different ways.

Zerimar Nyliram · 07-25-2008, 06:43 PM

"Jacob Nion" doesn't sound powerful enough for someone who exhibits so much strength in the Force, in my opinion.

Ctrl Alt Del · 07-25-2008, 09:05 PM

Jacob Nion... the bible popped up in my head for some reason. Still, anything is better than Starkiller.

The fact that Juno will rebel herself seems quite interesting. From what we've seen so far she'll definetly change from an cold imperial to a more kind-hearted woman. I just hope that transition goes smoothly and don't look too forced.

TKA-001 · 07-25-2008, 09:26 PM

If the spoilers are any indication, I think it's safe to say that Juno Eclipse will not be a proper Imperial officer at all.

Ctrl Alt Del · 07-25-2008, 09:36 PM

Proper enough to Vader to place her by the Apprentice's side.

Lord Foley · 07-27-2008, 11:42 AM

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lol, Leia is a real name, it's just usually pronounced Lee-uh and is spelled three or four different ways.

I've only ever seen Leah, though I guess you're right. But what about Owen Wilson?

Lord Foley · 07-27-2008, 11:43 AM

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If the spoilers are any indication, I think it's safe to say that Juno Eclipse will not be a proper Imperial officer at all.

Making out with Imperial assassins isn't standard procedure?

Ctrl Alt Del · 07-27-2008, 01:44 PM

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I've only ever seen Leah, though I guess you're right. But what about Owen Wilson?

Leia/Léia is a quite common name in portuguese, I can assure you.

Jason Skywalker · 07-28-2008, 06:32 AM

^ Strange, never heard someone. Portuguese of Portugal or Brasil?

Ctrl Alt Del · 07-28-2008, 09:09 AM

^ Eh, yes. I was referring to Brasil. But I assumed that it was common on the old world as well.

Giant Graffiti · 07-28-2008, 04:22 PM

Wow, that actually sounds really dumb.

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If the spoilers are any indication, I think it's safe to say that Juno Eclipse will not be a proper Imperial officer at all.

What did you expect?

Aristotélēsticus · 07-30-2008, 07:19 AM

Let us be rational. Stuffing the story of TFU inside a Star Wars main plot will leave LA—in my own humble estimation—with only two options that are canonically accepted:

A) The one they have chosen with Starkiller (Jacob) dying at the end and Juno changing sides for his sake.

B) He will disappear after his failure in turning Vader to his cause. In that case they will save him for another advenrture, against the New Sith Order perhaps.

Now for me, I’d rather stick with the martyred hero and the vengeful beloved option.

TKA-001 · 07-30-2008, 10:11 AM

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What did you expect?

A proper Imperial officer, with basic Imperial values and ****. There's been more then enough turncoat Imperial officers in the EU. Kyle Katarn, Crix Madine, Jan Dodanna, the list goes on and on. Just for once, could Lucasarts have a single Imperial character other than Vader and Palpatine who is evil? Even a little evil?

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Let us be rational. Stuffing the story of TFU inside a Star Wars main plot will leave LA—in my own humble estimation—with only two options that are canonically accepted:

A) The one they have chosen with Starkiller (Jacob) dying at the end and Juno changing sides for his sake.

B) He will disappear after his failure in turning Vader to his cause. In that case they will save him for another advenrture, against the New Sith Order perhaps.

Now for me, I’d rather stick with the martyred hero and the vengeful beloved option.

Keep in mind that I am not trying to be imperious, but I'm far less than satisfied with either possibility. I'd rather LA did something original for once. The Apprentice being killed by Palpatine was good, but it's still too clichéd. The Star Wars EU has literally overflowed with former villains who persevered through the evil and was redeemed by the good people around them and died heroic deaths to inspire others in the fight for justice, yadda yadda yadda. How about the Apprentice and his girlfriend both being killed by a non-movie character? How about the Apprentice staying dark-sided from the beginning? Why did the supposed geniuses at Lucasarts never think of that? They could've had a good EU character (like Cronal or Jerec or whoever) kill the Apprentice, but instead they opted to use the same movie characters over and over.

Why does the Apprentice have to be a hero at all? We've had enough heroes. Has there been a single game since TIE Fighter (released over a decade ago) which has a real storyline where the player is a serious, honest bad guy?

Aristotélēsticus · 07-30-2008, 10:33 AM

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Keep in mind that I am not trying to be imperious, but I'm far less than satisfied with either possibility. I'd rather LA did something original for once. The Apprentice being killed by Palpatine was good, but it's still too clichéd. The Star Wars EU has literally overflowed with former villains who persevered through the evil and was redeemed by the good people around them and died heroic deaths to inspire others in the fight for justice, yadda yadda yadda. How about the Apprentice and his girlfriend both being killed by a non-movie character? How about the Apprentice staying dark-sided from the beginning? Why did the supposed geniuses at Lucasarts never think of that? They could've had a good EU character (like Cronal or Jerec or whoever) kill the Apprentice, but instead they opted to use the same movie characters over and over.

Why does the Apprentice have to be a hero at all? We've had enough heroes. Has there been a single game since TIE Fighter (released over a decade ago) which has a real storyline where the player is a serious, honest bad guy?

I see what your point is and I am inclined to agree on that for true. For like you I am tired of placing the same characters in a different timeline but with the same fates. When I first heard of the Apprentice I thought that at last LA will elevate their tales into an epic level, rather than sticking to the usual hero cycle (Joseph Campbell’s hero cycle). I thought it would be more pleasurable for player to play an anti-hero rather than a hero. But like I said, the canon plot restrains this kind of fates. For instance, they could have made him succeed in murdering the Emperor and then fight against Vader. In fact they would have more options to set in motion if the timeline was different. I think they could have done this more easily with Revan.

Still, with the options introduced, I cling with what they have chosen, and pray they will finish this with more satisfying way, not the usual hasty LA way.

As a matter of fact, I remember Haden Blackman speaking of a sequel in one of his interviews, telling that ALL CHARACTERS will be included. In the light of this, I think we have to wait and see what will really happen.

Lord Foley · 07-31-2008, 09:39 PM

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Why does the Apprentice have to be a hero at all? We've had enough heroes. Has there been a single game since TIE Fighter (released over a decade ago) which has a real storyline where the player is a serious, honest bad guy?

If you start feeling blue about it, start up KotOR and kill everyone that moves.

Honestly, I'm not even going to speculate on the storyline, because it will probably be open ended just like all LA games because they want to make crappy sequels. Oh well.

TKA-001 · 07-31-2008, 10:06 PM

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If you start feeling blue about it, start up KotOR and kill everyone that moves.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean.

1. The KOTOR series on dark side makes me feel like an asshat instead of a villain.
2. I'm talking about this game, not KOTOR.
3. Is there some reason I shouldn't criticize a lack of originality?
4. If so, then how is KOTOR related?

Ctrl Alt Del · 08-01-2008, 11:37 AM

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3. Is there some reason I shouldn't criticize a lack of originality?

Actually, there is. The game hasn't been released yet, which means any critscism is mostly unfounded.

TKA-001 · 08-01-2008, 01:42 PM

That which I criticized is confirmed. The game's release has little to do with it.

Zerimar Nyliram · 08-03-2008, 12:01 PM

I think that with such a terrible name as Jacob Nion, there was absolutely no reason to make us wait so long before revealing his name. If you make fans wait for dramatic effect, then it had better be one kick-ass name. If it isn't, then there's absolutely no reason to keep it a secret.

This post is having to do with part of the thread topic, not the argument at hand.

Ctrl Alt Del · 08-03-2008, 02:29 PM

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That which I criticized is confirmed. The game's release has little to do with it.

Not my point. If the game hasn't been released, you can't play it, and you can't criticize what you haven't tested first hand.

TKA-001 · 08-03-2008, 02:44 PM

Why do I need to test the game before criticizing something about the story which is already revealed?

Ctrl Alt Del · 08-03-2008, 02:58 PM

Again, you have to play the game the way it's meant to be played to formulate more accurrate assumptions. Otherwise it's like judging a book's plot by reading a review about it.

Lord Foley · 08-05-2008, 09:32 AM

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I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean.

1. The KOTOR series on dark side makes me feel like an asshat instead of a villain.
2. I'm talking about this game, not KOTOR.
3. Is there some reason I shouldn't criticize a lack of originality?
4. If so, then how is KOTOR related?

I wasn't refering to force unleashed so much as Star Wars games in general since TIE Fighter. So 1. Yeah, I agree to some extent. 2. Of course, 3. You really know only a few details of the whole plot. 4. Just pointing out that you have a choice in that game, since you were complaining about a lack of games where you're the bad guy.