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Old 10-09-2008, 03:41 PM   #41
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HK-47 can't use adjectives when describing his sentences. Why can no one remember that except me?


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Old 10-09-2008, 06:14 PM   #42
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HK-47 can't use adjectives when describing his sentences. Why can no one remember that except me?
It would probably be something like this:
"Mockery: Are you all right, general? You seem to have suffered a series of flawlessly timed explosions."

As he uses that method when making fun of Carth and Revan in TSL.


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Old 10-09-2008, 08:25 PM   #43
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Grievous hands down; he would annihilate HK before he had the chance to utter one his infamous one-liners.


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Old 10-09-2008, 09:40 PM   #44
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The general wins this hands down. His cybernetic brain allows him to have a vast knowledge of light combat forms/maneuvers. He can adapt and copy an opponent's strategy/form mid fight as he replicates Mace Windu's Vapaad form with a near perfect copy(if you know about vapaad then you know why Grievous can't copy it perfectly. His armor can also defend against glancing blows from a lightsaber and he was able to spin the sabers up to 20 blades a second. He is also incredibly fast as he was seen in the CW cartoon dodging numerous missiles fired only at from a gunship and fire from 3 arc troopers.
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Old 10-10-2008, 06:28 AM   #45
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he was able to spin the sabers up to 20 blades a second
How do you measure spinning by 'blades'?



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Old 10-10-2008, 06:45 AM   #46
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How do you measure spinning by 'blades'?
I got it from the ROTS novel what I meant to say is that his blades can strike at twenty strikes per second.

After all, he had often walked unscathed through hornet-swarms of blasterfire, defended only by the Force's direction of his blade; countering twelve blows per second was only difficult, not impossible. His blade wove an intricate web of angles and curves, never truly fast but always just fast enough, each motion of his lightsaber subtly interfering with three or four or eight of the general's strikes, the rest sizzling past him, his precise, minimal shifts of weight and stance slipping them by centimeters.

Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks-sixteen per second, eighteen-until finally, at twenty strikes per second, he overloaded Obi-Wan's defense. So Obi-Wan used his defense to attack.
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Old 10-10-2008, 08:01 AM   #47
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he overloaded Obi-Wan's defense. So Obi-Wan used his defense to attack.
Didn't seem like that in the movie, but that may just be me.

From my point of view, Grivous hacked away at Obi who managed to cut 2 of Grievous' sabers while defending himself. Simply because he is better at lightsaber combat.
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Old 10-10-2008, 09:35 AM   #48
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HK-47 can't use adjectives when describing his sentences. Why can no one remember that except me?
He can so, or at least the HK-50 models can. Strait from K2:
"Mocking query: Corta, corta are you dead yet?"
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Yea, it definitely didn't look like that in the movie. That was not twenty strikes a second. More like...two?


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Yea, it definitely didn't look like that in the movie. That was not twenty strikes a second. More like...two?
Of course it did, we can't perceive twenty strikes per second hell, in the novels the characters are described as moving as blurs at times but we can't see that with human eyes.
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But, naturally, in the movie, he sucked.
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Old 10-22-2008, 06:02 AM   #52
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Its so difficult question to answer becuase the movie's vision for Grevious is worlds apart from his EU portrayal. In the Clone Wars cartoon (at least) he was devastating and clsoe to unstopable, but its more than a case of just exagerated stylizing that everyone had in the cartoon, he was intended to be a monsterous force that was relentless and powerful. In the movie he was just an imposing but cowardly cybernetic general.
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Old 10-22-2008, 08:14 AM   #53
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i say grevious.

i havnt read teh posts... yet. coz its 1:10 am and im slepy. hense mye misssplings. *falls asleep*


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i say grevious.

i havnt red he posts... yet. coz its 1:10am and imm slepyy. hense mi msplings.
*falls alseep*....



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Old 11-07-2008, 12:09 PM   #54
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C-3PO owns them both!


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C-3PO owns them both!
how do you propose that would happen? Do you think that 3P0 would just anoy both of them to death?

I still think that HK-47 would own Grevious. Grevious just doesn't seem like the tactition that HK-47 is. Not too mention that revan would have given his personal droid some of his own tactics and strategies.
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Old 11-07-2008, 11:58 PM   #56
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how do you propose that would happen? Do you think that 3P0 would just anoy both of them to death?

I still think that HK-47 would own Grevious. Grevious just doesn't seem like the tactition that HK-47 is. Not too mention that revan would have given his personal droid some of his own tactics and strategies.
HK is the man, but
have you seen grievous' abilities? like in the clone wars animated series?
i like hk way better, but going by what i know, grievous wins.



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Old 11-08-2008, 07:39 AM   #57
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Yeah C-3PO's best weapon is his annoyance.


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Old 11-08-2008, 08:56 AM   #58
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I agree with TKA. Face to face, Grievous would probably win. I don't doubt HK's cunning, but I'm not sure about his speed and dextery. Clearly, Grievous has more human-like movements, therefore being more agile.

Knowing HK modus operandi though, he'd probably disguise as one of GG doids aides and wait for the best moment to strike at Grievous. Then he would win.

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I was under impression he used that as a metaphor to describe his point of view on 'love'. He never says he done that, actually.


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HK. Grievous couldn't even kill pansy Jedi from the film era.
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Old 11-09-2008, 12:09 AM   #61
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Which is what cheeses me off about the new Clone Wars series. Grievous has the strategy of a swamp rat and seems about as skilled a fighter as Luke in his frst lightsaber training session.


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Old 11-09-2008, 12:32 AM   #62
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General Grievous stabs HK-47 but HK self-destructs*, destroying them both

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Which is what cheeses me off about the new Clone Wars series. Grievous has the strategy of a swamp rat and seems about as skilled a fighter as Luke in his frst lightsaber training session.
yeah, but its canon. i suppose its possible because of greivous' literally electric fast reflexes. and all that droid enhancementness.



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Old 11-09-2008, 03:52 AM   #64
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Ok. HK is an assassin droid, not a battle droid. Do you realize that every theory that he gives to us are assassin methods? Assassins are weak in open combat. GG will rush in and stab HK's processor. End of the story. Case closed. No need for thermal detonators. GG is able to fight 5 Jedi at once. Can HK do that? No. HK can give a Jedi a trouble using a blaster. Can GG do that? Yes, he does that against Kenobi. GG can survive a crush from Mace Windu. Can HK do that? No. HK can kill Jedi with gas bomb. Can GG do that? GG can jump high and stab the Jedi on the head. GG can mock Jedi and make them cowards. Can HK do that? No. GG suceed in kidnapping Palpatine. Can HK do that ?No way.GG can dodge many things, including missiles. Can HK do that? Hell no. GG outclasses HK in every way.

For you to know, I'm not a GG fanboy. And game mechanics are non-canon. Check forums such as killermovies to find out about things like this.

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I mean game mechanics like how many Jedi Revan killed.


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GG can mock Jedi and make them cowards. Can HK do that? No. GG suceed in kidnapping Palpatine. Can HK do that ?No
WRONG! HK-47 like Atton and Revan's other trained assassins are very good at intimidation.



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Which is what cheeses me off about the new Clone Wars series. Grievous has the strategy of a swamp rat and seems about as skilled a fighter as Luke in his frst lightsaber training session.
I've been noticing that too. All he's using is brute force, and the only thing smart about him is that he can notice when he's lost and can escape.

HK-47 would never let it come face to face. I think he'd booby trap Grievous' fighter, then wait and escape another way.

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*Anyone who wants to tell me "but how?" just remember the HK-50 droid that tried to kill you on the Peragus Mining Facility...
That was an HK-50, not an HK-47.

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Can anyone cite an example or two of Grievous' supposedly brilliant strategic/tactical capabilities? Because as far as I know, there are no specific examples.


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Can anyone cite an example or two of Grievous' supposedly brilliant strategic/tactical capabilities? Because as far as I know, there are no specific examples.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grievous

read, learn. Yeah okay details are lacking because unlike real life you can't find every last detail of a battle. Still, Grievous is shown to be the driving force behind the Separatists victories, at the rate Grievous loses battles in the new series, the Clone Wars would be over in a few weeks.


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read, learn. Yeah okay details are lacking because unlike real life you can't find every last detail of a battle. Still, Grievous is shown to be the driving force behind the Separatists victories
I'm not asking for every last detail of a battle; I'm instead asking for at least one detail of any battle. And no, he is not shown to be their driving force; he is said to be the driving force, with no actual details given, and with no details, no effective evidence. People make the same assumptions about Revan, I've noticed.


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I'm not asking for every last detail of a battle; I'm instead asking for at least one detail of any battle. And no, he is not shown to be their driving force; he is said to be the driving force, with no actual details given, and with no details, no effective evidence. People make the same assumptions about Revan, I've noticed.
it's a STORY, where people come up with fantastic things to TELL you, saying that being TOLD he was a great general and strategic mastermind isn't enough is like saying the there's no proof for the Extended Universe 'cause msot if it is in written in novels, not shown in movies or comics or toons.


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it's a STORY, where people come up with fantastic things to TELL you, saying that being TOLD he was a great general and strategic mastermind isn't enough is like saying the there's no proof for the Extended Universe 'cause msot if it is in written in novels, not shown in movies or comics or toons.
No, it isn't like that. You're talking like there's never been opportunities to demonstrate Grievous' skills, which is false. Of course saying he was good isn't enough. Lots of other characters have had their skills and traits demonstrated, like Palpatine's ability to manipulate others, Thrawn's insight into species via their art, Darth Malak's ruthlessness, Exar Kun's arrogance, Jerec's lust for power, Carth Onasi's stupidity, Joruus C'boath's insanity, and so on. Grievous' supposed tactical/strategic ability has certainly been alluded to, but not actually demonstrated, and that's why one should not automatically assume that he is a genius in that department.


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So do we assume the opposite, remain entirely neutral or lean towards thinking that what is told about him is true?
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It just seems like the characters we know and love have been reduced to flailing morons...

though, it is a kid show now...
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No, it isn't like that. You're talking like there's never been opportunities to demonstrate Grievous' skills, which is false. Of course saying he was good isn't enough. Lots of other characters have had their skills and traits demonstrated, like Palpatine's ability to manipulate others, Thrawn's insight into species via their art, Darth Malak's ruthlessness, Exar Kun's arrogance, Jerec's lust for power, Carth Onasi's stupidity, Joruus C'boath's insanity, and so on. Grievous' supposed tactical/strategic ability has certainly been alluded to, but not actually demonstrated, and that's why one should not automatically assume that he is a genius in that department.
Wait, how can you take into account what you're being TOLD about Thrawn or Exar Kun in a book, and NOT take into account what's being TOLD about Grievous in various writings, shows, ect....

I mean, do you really want to see a 600 page novel describing ship maneuvers and tactical movements under Grieveous' command? Is the lack of something EXPLICITY explaining why he's the best the problem? You know as well as I do you're never going to see that, so you have to work with what we all work it, that Grievous is the best at what he does because all the other characters say he is.


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look eventualy hk would get his blaster destroyed and grievous would lose his lightsabers and hk would shove a grenade in grievous's chest and grievouse would crush his head and they wouold both die.


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Grievous would win, unfortunately...
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General Grievous, not even masters of the council could kill him (Shak Ti,Ki-Adi Mundi, Ect.) less another droid would.



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