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Old 12-31-2008, 01:22 PM   #1
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The Day the Zune Stood Still

So this morning I woke up, I had slept in a little late (11:40) and I was sort of in a hurry, but I wanted to sync my new Jason Mraz onto my zune for when I go jogging later today. I turn on my computer and go to my bedside table for my zune, when I notice something very strange. The startup bar seems stuck half way. No form of resetting will solve this problem. I had my zune freeze once, and that time I just waited for the battery to die and then I recharged it and it was fine, so that's what my plan was this time, too.

Until I saw this.

http://gizmodo.com/5121311/reports-3...re-all-at-once

Pretty crazy stuff. What could possibly be causing this? Hopefully it will just take a simple software update, because I love my zune and I don't have the money to shell out a new mp3 player.

Microsoft claims that they're looking at the problem, and hopefully there will be a fix soon.

I know that some of you have 30 gb Zunes, does anyone else have this problem?


EDIT: So. Today is the 366th day of the year. Is it possible that someone at Microsoft forgot about leap years?



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Old 12-31-2008, 01:29 PM   #2
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Holy crap, I actually forgot to charge mine last night. I'll be making sure to use my 360 to charge instead. : O

Also, for no particular reason I can't update my firmware past 3.0 - For some stupid reason it claims that I don't have a compatible OS, which is so dumb because it's obviously already running on Vista. But yeah, says "Oh, you need Vista or XP SP3 to do this." So no way in hell am I gonna plug my Zune in today, if it requires an update that I may not be able to do...

Another thing: I have no idea if this is common knowledge or if it will even work. But Back Button and Down on the d-pad for 3-5 seconds = reset.


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My Zune 30 straight up bricked on me over a month ago. I ordered a new battery but the Zune still wouldn't work. I see this story and try to turn on my friend's Zune that I was borrowing. Frozen like the rest. Just for kicks, try my old 30.

Turns on.


Works.Perfectly.



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Obviously the sheer will of the collective Zune 30 conscious resurrected mine.
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Hahaha, mines f***ed too.

This is actually pretty funny. I wonder what MS's solution to this is gonna be.


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Old 12-31-2008, 01:40 PM   #5
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Hahaha, mines f***ed too.

This is actually pretty funny. I wonder what MS's solution to this is gonna be.

Hopefully give us new Zunes. That would be sick.
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Old 12-31-2008, 01:43 PM   #6
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I'd be happy with some sort of replacement option, considering I got screwed out of my warranty and my headphone jack is f***in up :X


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You.are.not.going.to.believe.this.


My Zune 30 straight up bricked on me over a month ago. I ordered a new battery but the Zune still wouldn't work. I see this story and try to turn on my friend's Zune that I was borrowing. Frozen like the rest. Just for kicks, try my old 30.

Turns on.


Works.Perfectly.



:O


I have in my possession,

spoiler:
The Mother Zune


Obviously the sheer will of the collective Zune 30 conscious resurrected mine.

Oh my gosh. Hahaha, that's absolutely awesome, but pretty scary at the same time.

What could cause something like that?!

And I agree. New Zunes would be pretty sweet. But I doubt they'd do that.



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Hopefully give us new Zunes. That would be sick.
Shouldn't cost them too much, they're only like 40 or 50 30GB Zunes out there.




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Edit: Oh... "Some reports indicate that only Zunes with the latest firmware are affected" I don't have that. : \


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For anyone with broken Zunes right now, is it just me, or are they getting kind of hot?

I picked up my Zune a second ago and it was definitely warm to the touch. Then I put it up to my ear and I can hear the hard drive spinning.

That's not good.



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Old 12-31-2008, 02:45 PM   #10
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For anyone with broken Zunes right now, is it just me, or are they getting kind of hot?

I picked up my Zune a second ago and it was definitely warm to the touch. Then I put it up to my ear and I can hear the hard drive spinning.

That's not good.
That's the battery draining. You can open it up and manually disconnect it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBL0lPBpC3I
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Old 12-31-2008, 08:10 PM   #11
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Microsoft Released a fix on their Zune site:

http://www.zune.net/en-us/support/zune30.htm

Apparently we just have to wait it out.



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wow remind me not to get a zune.


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Old 12-31-2008, 10:44 PM   #13
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Old 01-01-2009, 01:22 AM   #14
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Meh.

Say what you want. I love my Zune.

Even if it decides it needs a break for a day.



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Old 01-01-2009, 03:59 PM   #15
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So this morning I woke up, I had slept in a little late (11:40) and I was sort of in a hurry, but I wanted to sync my new Jason Mraz onto my zune for when I go jogging later today. I turn on my computer and go to my bedside table for my zune, when I notice something very strange. The startup bar seems stuck half way. No form of resetting will solve this problem. I had my zune freeze once, and that time I just waited for the battery to die and then I recharged it and it was fine, so that's what my plan was this time, too.

Until I saw this.

http://gizmodo.com/5121311/reports-3...re-all-at-once

Pretty crazy stuff. What could possibly be causing this? Hopefully it will just take a simple software update, because I love my zune and I don't have the money to shell out a new mp3 player.

Microsoft claims that they're looking at the problem, and hopefully there will be a fix soon.

I know that some of you have 30 gb Zunes, does anyone else have this problem?


EDIT: So. Today is the 366th day of the year. Is it possible that someone at Microsoft forgot about leap years?
No ****!? I was ready to go exchange it. I am naked without my Zune. Glad to know I didn't screw it up myself. I take VERY good care of that thing.
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Old 01-01-2009, 04:08 PM   #16
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I think Microshaft should issue all of us 30GB Zune owners 1000 marketplace points. Just credit it directly to my account. We should be compensated for the inconvenience. I really wanted to use my Zune yesterday. The Dr's office, the grocery store, my car....etc.
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I was using mine all day long. Good thing my software is bugged and can't update!

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Old 01-01-2009, 04:14 PM   #18
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Mine seems to be working right now.
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I'd love some sort of compensation as well, but it's Microsoft. Unless there is some sort of mass rally or outcry from Zune users, they won't do ****.



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Old 01-02-2009, 01:05 PM   #20
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No, that's okay. It was one day and didn't cause any permanent damage.

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Old 01-02-2009, 01:57 PM   #22
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and here I was thinking this was the devious plan of some evil genius to have all the Zune 30s in the world turn upon their owners.

but no. nothing is ever that cool IS IT. IS IT?!!?!


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Zune Source Code:

http://pastie.org/349916

Starting at line 249. Check it out.

The actual problem lies on 267, I believe. Anyone see it?



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Zune Source Code:

http://pastie.org/349916

Starting at line 249. Check it out.

The actual problem lies on 267, I believe. Anyone see it?
You mean the fact that it checks to see if 'Days' is greater than 366, when that can never be?

I would assume the correct line would be:
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Yeah. That was my thought.

Its amazing what one little inequality can do.



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That's what I thought at first too, but no, > is right; days represents the current day of the year. The actual problem is the while loop used at line 259. On a leap year, it gets stuck in the loop on day 366 - it satisfys the condition to run the loop, but doesn't change anything to make the loop end. Even when it became January 1st, the day in the program didn't become 367 because it was stuck in the loop. Once you force it to restart, and the day is 367 or more to the program, it can finally subtract 366 from the year, and run as normal.

I can understand why the used a while loop, so if multiple years have passed it can subract them all at once; however, their logic is very flawed. Another issue: What would happen when it passes multiple years at once, without checking which are leap years? If the year it was on when it started the loop was a leap year, it would treat all as leap years; normal year when it starts would treat all as normal years.


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That's what I thought at first too, but no, > is right; days represents the current day of the year. The actual problem is the while loop used at line 259. On a leap year, it gets stuck in the loop on day 366 - it satisfys the condition to run the loop, but doesn't change anything to make the loop end. Even when it became January 1st, the day in the program didn't become 367 because it was stuck in the loop. Once you force it to restart, and the day is 367 or more to the program, it can finally subtract 366 from the year, and run as normal.

I can understand why the used a while loop, so if multiple years have passed it can subract them all at once; however, their logic is very flawed. Another issue: What would happen when it passes multiple years at once, without checking which are leap years? If the year it was on when it started the loop was a leap year, it would treat all as leap years; normal year when it starts would treat all as normal years.
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I'd agree, except that it says at the top that the coding was done by Freescale Semiconductor Inc. programmers, not Microsoft.

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I'd agree, except that it says at the top that the coding was done by Freescale Semiconductor Inc. programmers, not Microsoft.

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Toshiba made the original Zunes. Microsoft made all the rest.

2009 looks like a crazy year.

Windows 7 is good...

The Zune 30 bug wasn't MS's fault

360 has solid games and less red ring


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Either way, it is fixed now, so I don't have to exchange it. Good thing, I might have got in trouble because I bought it at work, and no longer have the receipt. Even if I did, it is long past the return policy. The sad thing is, that I have had the same damn two Zunes sitting in my store for the past 3 years.

Point is, I WOULD have used my Zune extensively on New Years eve. I had a doctor's appointment to see if I can get the alien implant removed from my brain. Also had to go to Sam's and the grocery store for some party food. I like to put the head phones on to block out all the damn noise.
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I like to put the head phones on to block out all the damn noise.
you mean...the voices?


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you mean...the voices?
Yes.
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I would assume the correct line would be:
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the compiler would catch that.

But, as I said, that's not the problem anyway.

Going back to what I was saying was wrong with the code, I think the simplest total fix would be to change the "while" to an if, and if multiple years have passed since it was last on, the zune must be reset that many times.(Maybe add a "reset" option in the code, as the battery-drain reset would be very annoying to do 5 times)


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same difference XD

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the compiler would catch that.
gcc didn't

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compiles with no errors or warnings and prints 366 and a newline

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Old 01-10-2009, 05:19 PM   #39
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gcc didn't

Code:
#include <stdio.h>

main() {
    int days = 365;

    if(days = 366) {
        printf("%i\n", days);
    }
}
compiles with no errors or warnings and prints 366 and a newline

value == variable supremacy despite the fact i've never gotten myself into the habit of using it
oh wow then i guess i was wrong.

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Old 01-10-2009, 05:31 PM   #40
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oh wow then i guess i was wrong.

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c supremacy maybe you should head on back to javatown babby



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