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Old 01-31-2009, 06:48 AM   #1
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Last level makes no sence.

It doesnt make sence. If Starkiller could beat Vader that makes him as powerful as Luke but if he could beat the emporer hes more powerful than luke hes as powerful as anakin(full potential) and i doubt he is that powerful. Plus if he did beat the emporer why didnt he kill him after the fight. Hes too big a threat to live. Plus you see Vader walking without his helmet which makes absolutely no sence. And the rouge jedi had a BABY. One more question, why was Leia on Kashyyk?
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Old 01-31-2009, 08:51 AM   #2
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It doesn't mean he's necessarily as powerful as Luke, and Vader completely underestimated, I think. One of my views on how Starkiller was as powerful as he was at the end was that when Vader brought him back from the dead through the Force (heavily implied in the novel), he also increased his abilities with the Force. And it's very clear that Palpatine threw the fight, which is completely in-character. The reason Starkiller didn't kill him is made extremely clear with his dialogue with Kota.

Vader could likely, with the help of the dark side, keep himself alive without the helmet for a time. Leia was being held on Kashyyyk to keep Organa from speaking out against the Empire.
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:13 AM   #3
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It doesnt make sence. If Starkiller could beat Vader that makes him as powerful as Luke but
Just because Starkiller threw three metal pillars at Vader doesn't make him stronger.


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Old 01-31-2009, 06:02 PM   #4
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It doesnt make sence. If Starkiller could beat Vader that makes him as powerful as Luke but if he could beat the emporer hes more powerful than luke hes as powerful as anakin(full potential) and i doubt he is that powerful.
First of all, Luke was not at his full potential when he fought Vader in ROTJ. Part of that is because the Force was still pretty new to Luke. Starkiller already had years of training to become more polished and seasoned for his fights against Vader and Sidious.


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Plus if he did beat the emporer why didnt he kill him after the fight.
Uh... didn't you see Kota talk him out of killing the Emperor in fear he would far to the dark side again or did you fall asleep during that scene?


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And the rouge jedi had a BABY.
Not all Jedi followed the rules... *hint* Anakin Skywalker anyone?

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One more question, why was Leia on Kashyyk?
I was going to ask if you actually paid attention to the dialogue on why Starkiller didn't kill Sidious, but this question hear clarifies that you didn't pay attention at all. Were you tired or something when that part played?


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Old 01-31-2009, 08:21 PM   #5
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Old 02-01-2009, 12:27 AM   #6
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What doesn't make sense to me is why the Emperor's observation dome was built on top of one of the superlaser's focusing crystals. Why did Starkiller have to got through all that? How did the Emperor get to the observation dome for that matter? Did he always go through the laser tubes and with the anti-graviton elevators dodging the beams of energy?

I also have to say I found it disappointing that Kota stopped Starkiller from destroying the Sith RIGHT THEN AND THERE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER! Instead, he had to play Jedi and let the Emperor live so he could kill Starkiller, grab more power, and kill more lives before his long-delayed end. Kota sucked!
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Old 02-01-2009, 12:34 AM   #7
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I also have to say I found it disappointing that Kota stopped Starkiller from destroying the Sith RIGHT THEN AND THERE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER! Instead, he had to play Jedi and let the Emperor live so he could kill Starkiller, grab more power, and kill more lives before his long-delayed end. Kota sucked!
I agree. Kota blew it. And out of respect for Kota, Starkiller listened. Most unfortunate.

Maybe it was the "will" of the Force that told Kota to stop Starkiller because it would have contradicted the prophecy.

This that part of me that wonders if Starkiller had put an end to the Sith and what would have happened after that. I'm sure Yoda and Obi-Wan would have gotten the word. Would have Starkiller became a member of the reorganized Jedi Council?


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Old 02-01-2009, 10:09 AM   #8
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I also have to say I found it disappointing that Kota stopped Starkiller from destroying the Sith RIGHT THEN AND THERE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER! Instead, he had to play Jedi and let the Emperor live so he could kill Starkiller, grab more power, and kill more lives before his long-delayed end. Kota sucked!
This ignores the very plainly indicated plot point that if Galen had killed Palpatine, he would have turned to the dark side, as Kota indicated.

If you choose to believe that Galen would have remained in control of himself and that therefore Kota was wrong, then you also must believe that Kota himself is an idiot, along with the writers of the story.


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Old 02-01-2009, 12:24 PM   #9
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Yes I thought he should of killed Palpatine too, but Kota was right, Starkiller may of turned to the Dark Side. Kota was my favorite character in TFU, so i'm ready to defend him!
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Old 02-01-2009, 02:37 PM   #10
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why is it that the jedi fear the dark side so much? My friends and I have toyed with the idea that the jedi who fell to the dark side and turned on the order may not have ended up becoming a dark sider but the jedi force their members to follow the dark side when they overly punish someone for showing any emotion. The most powerful people in star wars are generally those who embrace their emotions and such. starkiller should have killed the Emperor even if he fell to the dark sider because 1. Emperor=evil incarnate 2. yoda says that no one is beyond being saved so later he could be brought back to the light side. Also it seems funny that the jedi wont kill their most fear foes but are willing to kill all the weak underlings because they have a weapon in thier hand.
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Old 02-01-2009, 06:52 PM   #11
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why is it that the jedi fear the dark side so much?
Because prominent dark-siders end up performing mass genocide, among other things. Name one prominent dark-sider who did not perform a number of ridiculously evil actions.

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the jedi force their members to follow the dark side when they overly punish someone for showing any emotion.
Provide an example of the Jedi unnecessarily punishing people for showing emotions, and how said example demonstrates the Jedi "forcing" the supposed accused to turn dark.

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starkiller should have killed the Emperor even if he fell to the dark sider because 1. Emperor=evil incarnate 2. yoda says that no one is beyond being saved so later he could be brought back to the light side.
For this to work, you have to assume that Galen turning evil and wreaking who knows how much destruction would be justified by Sidious' death, and you would also have to assume that Yoda is omniscient.


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