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Old 02-08-2011, 03:11 PM   #1041
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So, on a completely unrelated topic discussion line...I just played Lair of the Shadow Broker for the first time the other day, and was kind of disappointed with the way that went. Anyone else feel that way?


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Old 02-08-2011, 05:10 PM   #1042
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So, on a completely unrelated topic discussion line...I just played Lair of the Shadow Broker for the first time the other day, and was kind of disappointed with the way that went. Anyone else feel that way?
What exactly did you find lacking? Didn't really care for what the SB ended up looking like, but the vids from YT made the dlc look pretty decent.


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Old 02-08-2011, 07:54 PM   #1043
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I guess I didn't care for what they did with Liara's character...they kind of painted her as the obsessive personality.


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Old 02-08-2011, 11:55 PM   #1044
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I guess I didn't care for what they did with Liara's character...they kind of painted her as the obsessive personality.
Well, they had pretty much established that in the game already anyway when Shep runs her errands.


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Old 02-09-2011, 10:51 AM   #1045
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I suppose you're right...maybe that's where my dislike comes from...I guess at heart I wanted to see her join Shepard's crew again...she was one of my favorite characters from ME1


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Yeah the way they've set it up makes it hard to see how she can come back as a party member in ME3, unlike Ashley/Kaidan for whom they've presumably left the door open (assuming the final ME2 DLC isn't something similar to LOTSB that also sidelines them).
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:23 AM   #1047
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I suppose you're right...maybe that's where my dislike comes from...I guess at heart I wanted to see her join Shepard's crew again...she was one of my favorite characters from ME1
Initially wondered that myself till seeing how LOTSB played out. Perhaps she'll be some kind of counterweight to the IM if you break from Cerberus or maybe another source of info/support in fighting the Reapers.


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Old 02-17-2011, 03:44 PM   #1048
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Played Mass effect 1 and 2 consecutively with the same male character for the first time, beat the human reaper last night... several things occur.

1) The vanilla male shepard is actually quite a good lead, despite the fact i still prefer femshep. I played a mostly renegade, but not an ******* renegade, and it worked rather well really.

2) playing a soldier is quite fun, and pretty easy... but there is no elegance to it. too much of my combat was seat of the pants stuff, blasting away with the revenant and hoping to god i didn't have to reload, and nearly dying... playing an infiltrator was a lot more flash, even if i did die more. felt much cooler... ho-hum, maybe that's just me.

3) I romanced Miranda (so sue me... she's hot!) and for the romance scene: they don't close the door to the engine room. Tali works there, and not ten minutes earlier i had blown her off. assuming she stays there like they usually do in the game... she could see everything (along with jacob and mordin but meh). this made me feel inexplicably bad.

4) having a few people die actually improves the ending for me. it makes it feel more real. (I lost jack (hate her), grunt (bit annoyed by that...), jacob (boring...) and kasumi (noooo)).
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Old 02-17-2011, 06:10 PM   #1049
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How did each of them die in your playthrough?


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Old 02-17-2011, 07:38 PM   #1050
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Don't forget that Thane has a window that looks out onto the engine room as well, not to mention a photographic memory....
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How did each of them die in your playthrough?
Two were directly related to being too lazy to do Jacob's loyalty quest (something i usually do), so Jack got skewered by the lasers because i didn't upgrade to heavy armour, and i sent jacob back with the crew of the Normandy and he dieded.

Grunt got carried off by the swarms because Miranda sucks at maintaining a biotic field. The reasoning behind Miranda doing that part was to make it more cinematic - she was part of my team all the way through, she was the romantic interest (she even pulled Shepard up from the final epic jump but that was just happy chance).

Kasumi was killed in the last stand, because i didn't do her loyalty either. usually I only do it for the locust.
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Don't forget that Thane has a window that looks out onto the engine room as well, not to mention a photographic memory....
Ha true, I'd forgotten about him! hoo boy. Miranda's obviously an exhibitionist...
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:39 AM   #1052
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Ah well, a few deaths will hopefully spice things up a bit in ME3. When I was going through all my saves I only found one that had any deaths - my second playthrough where I also used Miranda as the biotic specialist (she said she could do it dammiit! ) and subsequently lost Grunt (nooooo) and straight after lost Samara who, for some strange reason I can't recall, I had made second fire team leader. I'm wondering if I should do another playthrough where I try and kill off as many as possible and still survive, just to see what happens in ME3.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:54 AM   #1053
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What exactly would i need to do to make sure that *everyone* survives that mission?

I've never managed that.


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Old 02-18-2011, 10:06 AM   #1054
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It's actually very easy, aside from doing everyone's loyalty quest, just pay attention to the short descriptions of each character when choosing their roles during various stages of the suicide mission, they're pretty straightforward with whose strengths lie in which area.

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Old 02-18-2011, 10:11 AM   #1055
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What exactly would i need to do to make sure that *everyone* survives that mission?

I've never managed that.
1. Make sure everyone is loyal.

2. Make sure the Normandy is completely upgraded

3. Pick Legion, Tali, or Kasumi as your tech specialist

4. Pick Miranda, Garrus, or Jacob to lead the second fire team

5. Pick Mordin to escort the crew

6. Pick Samara/Morinth or Jack as your biotic specialist

7. Pick your two "squishiest" people to fight the human reaper.

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^^ I've never even needed to go into that much detail. As long as you have Zaeed and Grunt defending the weaker ones at the end and send someone relatively weak with the crew you can manage it in my experience.
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:15 PM   #1057
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1. Make sure everyone is loyal.

2. Make sure the Normandy is completely upgraded

3. Pick Legion, Tali, or Kasumi as your tech specialist

4. Pick Miranda, Garrus, or Jacob to lead the second fire team

5. Pick Mordin to escort the crew

6. Pick Samara/Morinth or Jack as your biotic specialist

7. Pick your two "squishiest" people to fight the human reaper.
Cool...

Thanks for that list, it will make things *sooo* much easier when i get to that mission in a day or two.


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Old 02-18-2011, 12:24 PM   #1058
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Played Mass effect 1 and 2 consecutively with the same male character for the first time, beat the human reaper last night... several things occur.

1) The vanilla male shepard is actually quite a good lead, despite the fact i still prefer femshep. I played a mostly renegade, but not an ******* renegade, and it worked rather well really.

2) playing a soldier is quite fun, and pretty easy... but there is no elegance to it. too much of my combat was seat of the pants stuff, blasting away with the revenant and hoping to god i didn't have to reload, and nearly dying... playing an infiltrator was a lot more flash, even if i did die more. felt much cooler... ho-hum, maybe that's just me.

3) I romanced Miranda (so sue me... she's hot!) and for the romance scene: they don't close the door to the engine room. Tali works there, and not ten minutes earlier i had blown her off. assuming she stays there like they usually do in the game... she could see everything (along with jacob and mordin but meh). this made me feel inexplicably bad.

4) having a few people die actually improves the ending for me. it makes it feel more real. (I lost jack (hate her), grunt (bit annoyed by that...), jacob (boring...) and kasumi (noooo)).
Oh, and another thing.

5) Garrus is so awesome in ME2, has some brilliant lines. "Hospitals aren't fun to fight through..." shep: "what is fun to fight through?" Garrus: "Gardens, electronics shops, antique stores but only if they're classy..." so dry garrus, so dry.
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:26 PM   #1059
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^Yea, that line was kind of funny. Good 'ole Garrus.

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1. Make sure everyone is loyal.

2. Make sure the Normandy is completely upgraded

3. Pick Legion, Tali, or Kasumi as your tech specialist

4. Pick Miranda, Garrus, or Jacob to lead the second fire team

5. Pick Mordin to escort the crew

6. Pick Samara/Morinth or Jack as your biotic specialist

7. Pick your two "squishiest" people to fight the human reaper.

Actually, if you manage not to lose anyone to that point, it probably doesn't matter who you take for the boss fight.

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...I'm wondering if I should do another playthrough where I try and kill off as many as possible and still survive, just to see what happens in ME3.
I think the closest I got to that was one where Samara and Grunt were the only survivors. Can you get it so that only Shepard and Joker make it out? I thought if the rest of them got killed that that was how Shep didn't make it either, leaving Joker to report to the IM.


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Old 02-18-2011, 02:07 PM   #1060
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Actually, if you manage not to lose anyone to that point, it probably doesn't matter who you take for the boss fight.
It doesn't as long as you don't leave to many weak links with the fire team covering Shepard's rear. I usually send a loyal Tali back to the ship with the crew and take Mordin with Shepard.
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4) having a few people die actually improves the ending for me. it makes it feel more real.
I agree. I lost Jack my first playthrough and Thane my second playthrough and those endings seemed more realistic to me.

I’m doing another attempt at the Insanity achievement my next playthrough, so I figure I will get more deaths then because I don’t plan on doing any loyalty missions.


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Old 02-18-2011, 03:17 PM   #1061
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It doesn't as long as you don't leave to many weak links with the fire team covering Shepard's rear. I usually send a loyal Tali back to the ship with the crew and take Mordin with Shepard.
Well, who besides Tali and Mordin are considered "weak" (I don't have Kasumi)? I generally have found that if enough strong people are left behind and the loyalty missions have suceeded, it hasn't mattered for me. I often take heavy hitters or amped up biotics on the last fight.


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I agree. I lost Jack my first playthrough and Thane my second playthrough and those endings seemed more realistic to me.

I think I lost at least 3 people on my first playthrough. Everyone surviving a "suicide mission" borders on fairy tale ending.


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Old 02-18-2011, 04:15 PM   #1062
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Not sure if it has been updated with a patch or even if it was really a bug, but Mordin could die even if you do everything right. Which is the reason I usually take him with Shepard on the final battle.


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Old 02-18-2011, 04:37 PM   #1063
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Not sure if it has been updated with a patch or even if it was really a bug, but Mordin could die even if you do everything right. Which is the reason I usually take him with Shepard on the final battle.
With the exception of my Insanity run (in which I didn't do one iota more than I absolutely had to, and lost everyone) I've never lost Mordin. He always escorts the crew back to the ship and always (-1) lives.

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Old 02-18-2011, 05:07 PM   #1064
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Is it even possible to have a playthrough where ONLY Shepard survives?
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With the exception of my Insanity run (in which I didn't do one iota more than I absolutely had to, and lost everyone) I've never lost Mordin. He always escorts the crew back to the ship and always (-1) lives.
That would keep him safe... I've never lost him either, but I either take him with me or also send him back with the crew. However, I'd rather send Tali back with the crew as to me it makes more sense to the story. I trust and like her more, plus in ME2 she isn't worth anything in a fight.


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Is it even possible to have a playthrough where ONLY Shepard survives?
No. Shepard's survival is dependent on the survival of the two squadmates you take out the Human Reaper with. Note that they help him/her up onto the Normandy airlock if they survive, while if they don't, Shepard is left clinging to the ledge, with noone able to help.

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I've never had a problem with Mordin myself, but apparently even if he is loyal and everyone else survives, he can die either while part of the final rearguard or even if you take him with you. Hence why the general consensus is to send him to escort the crew, as he will always survive that way (as long as he is loyal).
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Mordin survives even in the bunkered down team if you have Zaeed, since Garrus and Grunt are the heavy hitters, now theres 3 of them.


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Old 02-19-2011, 08:54 AM   #1069
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No. Shepard's survival is dependent on the survival of the two squadmates you take out the Human Reaper with. Note that they help him/her up onto the Normandy airlock if they survive, while if they don't, Shepard is left clinging to the ledge, with noone able to help.
I once lost (loyal) Miranda in the fall from the human reaper fight place, but my shepard survived, so it seems that only one of the two needs to survive.


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You can't lose a loyal Miranda to that fall so she must have survived.
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I need help picking my final 2. Garrus is coming with me, because he's my love interest. There's no way I'll leave him behind whilst fighting the ultimate battle! That leaves one slot open, and I'm having serious trouble deciding between Tali and Legion.

Tali can't do squat in a fight, but she's so sweet! Legion is just mega-cool.

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I think you need at least one survivor from the rearguard.
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Well, their capabilities in combat have no actual bearing on whether or not they survive suicide mission. I'd recommend only having those two loyal, and taking them with you throughout the entire suicide mission. As for who to pick, Shepard's got more history with Tali than Legion, so that's something to consider as well.

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You can't lose a loyal Miranda to that fall so she must have survived.
She didnt survive... So i guess i failed to get her to like me again after i agreed with Jack in the catfight scene. But that wasnt the point of my post.


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If you side with one person in either of the two confrontations (Miranda vs Jack, Tali vs Legion) the other person will no longer be loyal. However, you can attempt to persuade them via a conversation afterwards to regain their loyalty.
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Old 02-23-2011, 06:21 AM   #1076
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If you side with one person in either of the two confrontations (Miranda vs Jack, Tali vs Legion) the other person will no longer be loyal. However, you can attempt to persuade them via a conversation afterwards to regain their loyalty.
Yes i know, but i guess i never got enough paragon to rebuild the trust with her... I cant remember what exactly happened in each of my playthroughs


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You mustn't have any points then, as the requirement is much less than for talking both parties down in the confrontations from what I understand.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:22 AM   #1078
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I think I royally messed up my game. I gave Legion to Cerberus (yeah, I'm a wastard) and now the IFF Installation won't trigger at all!!! I've done 4 loyalty missions:

Garrus: An Eye for an Eye
Grunt: Rite of Passage
Tali: Treason
Thane: Sins of the Father

I've also done 2 N7 missions:

N7: Lost Operative
N7: Endangered Research Station

The installation should have triggered. What's wrong?!?
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You mustn't have any points then, as the requirement is much less than for talking both parties down in the confrontations from what I understand.
I think it scales itself depending on the level of Shep, and that was the playthrough i did with a character that had already finished ME2 once. I didnt get any moral points in the beginning, even though it said they would be therel.


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I think I royally messed up my game. I gave Legion to Cerberus (yeah, I'm a wastard) and now the IFF Installation won't trigger at all!!! I've done 4 loyalty missions:

Garrus: An Eye for an Eye
Grunt: Rite of Passage
Tali: Treason
Thane: Sins of the Father

I've also done 2 N7 missions:

N7: Lost Operative
N7: Endangered Research Station

The installation should have triggered. What's wrong?!?
Might just be a timed thing. Usually wait for IFF mission till I've nailed down most of the loyalty missions. Then I'm reasonably sure the wait won't be very long at all....and it isn't. Usually shows up after my last 2 loyalty missions (Tali's and Legion's) post-IFF pickup.


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