Jumping

True_Avery · 03-02-2009, 02:11 AM

Is it awesome? Is it lame?

No-one truly knows, but its a national pass time in World of Warcraft. More often than not you will walk into a city and see maybe a dozen people just jumping in circles or jumping around the auction house to pass some times while something is being planned, auction is going on, etc.

Matrix Online had an amazing form of jumping in which you would jump regularly, but at level 10 got a new super jump ability. Every level past that you would jump higher and higher. Like some MMOs in which you get a mount, the main form of transportation in MO was jumping vast distances. I had a beta key which gave me super jump early, then at level 10 I got a beta participant only super jump, and then found a shirt that gave me more jump ability. It was damn fun.

In TOR, jumping could have many uses. Force Jump is obvious for Jedi, while non-Jedi have things like Jet-Packs. You could jump over a particularly annoying set of mobs (Get used to that term. It means group of enemy npcs), get somewhere faster, get up onto a ledge or over a hill to make a shortcut, etc.

Or, it could have simple jumping of a few feet by pressing spacebar like WoW

So, what do you think? Jumping? No Jumping?

**Jae Onasi** · 03-02-2009, 02:18 AM

Could be fun, hope we don't have a lot of Tiggers hopping around like maniacs.

SW01 · 03-02-2009, 02:34 AM

I think that each and every character should have a standard 'short-jump' - like Grand Theft Auto or Mafia style, just enough to clear a low ledge, or climb over something if BioWare wants to implement that.

The, of course, Jedi/Sith should have their Force Jump, but to discourage Jae's Tiggers I would like to see it cost some amount of Force Points. The added bonus to that is waiting for some twit to waste his Jedi force points on jumping, then attack him and gain easy victory!

I would definitely like to see jumping implemented - it could give a greater feel of interaction with the environment BioWare is building if you could, say, jump or climb up onto an otherwise inaccessible ridge and get a view over whatever world you are on. Of course, there is also a combat application - Episode I style vaulting to higher platforms, etc.

Sabretooth · 03-02-2009, 03:32 AM

I don't know. Most probably a no, since it's unnecessary, but I pick le Yoda.

Bob Lion54 · 03-02-2009, 03:52 AM

Jumping is one of those odd things that just feels missing when it's not there.

There doesn't have to be a need for it in TOR, as our skills could have the jump involved such as the different Power Attacks in KotOR. That said, just a regular "space-bar" jump needs to be included.

HK-42 · 03-02-2009, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Lion54

Jumping is one of those odd things that just feels missing when it's not there.

There doesn't have to be a need for it in TOR, as our skills could have the jump involved such as the different Power Attacks in KotOR. That said, just a regular "space-bar" jump needs to be included.

The power attack in KOTOR was ok, took me a while to figure out how to do it

I think there should be a jump, I enjoyed the one in Jedi Outcast/Academy.

It might matter on the engine though?

True_Avery · 03-02-2009, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by HK-42

It might matter on the engine though?

HeroEngine should be more than able to handle jumping. It has a falling and landing mechanic built in, and jumping is either also built in or could be easily coded in. Out of all things they will need the character to do, jumping would be one of the easier to program.

Jedi Academy style jumping would definitely be cool, but may also end up be game breaking.

adamqd · 03-02-2009, 05:09 AM

If you cant Jump while your in Combat, or there is nothing to Jump to/on, then whats the point? It really depends on how the worlds are explorable, and how the Combat system works

/Yoda

Pho3nix · 03-02-2009, 05:51 AM

YES

Jumping is an integral part of any game. I cannot stress this enough.

Alkonium · 03-02-2009, 08:19 AM

As long as there's a way to limit its use, or penalise idiots, yeah, it should be in there.

EnderWiggin · 03-02-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabretooth

I don't know. Most probably a no, since it's unnecessary, but I pick le Yoda.

I agree.

_EW_

LordOfTheFish · 03-02-2009, 11:34 AM

I hate having to walk up so many ramps, and stairs. I pick yes but I'd like it to be different for each class.

For example, those classes wielding the force should be able to jump higher than say those who aren't force users.

***Jeff*** · 03-02-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pho3nix

YES

Jumping is an integral part of any game. I cannot stress this enough.

^This.

Darklink41 · 03-02-2009, 03:40 PM

For the sake of combat, no...
I don't like the fact that while you're engaged in a pvp fight, someone could be running and jumping around you like a maniac... very unstar wars like.

True_Avery · 03-02-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Darklink41

For the sake of combat, no...
I don't like the fact that while you're engaged in a pvp fight, someone could be running and jumping around you like a maniac... very unstar wars like.

Wasn't that every fight scene in the prequels?

GeneralPloKoon · 03-02-2009, 07:44 PM

Only jedi shoud jump, but others could use a jetpack to "jump".

Hallucination · 03-02-2009, 07:49 PM

^I'm not a cartographer, but I think you can jump using just your legs.

@Topic: I would seriously consider not playing the game if I couldn't jump, even if it had no purpose in gameplay.

***Jeff*** · 03-02-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hallucination

^I'm not a cartographer, but I think you can jump using just your legs.

@Topic: I would seriously consider not playing the game if I couldn't jump, even if it had no purpose in gameplay.

I hope the developers are reading this!

Zerimar Nyliram · 03-02-2009, 08:31 PM

Yes, games where you can jump are always lots of fun.

"Jump! Jump!
The Mac Dad will make ya
Jump! Jump!
Daddy Mac will make ya
Jump! Jump!
Kriss Kross will make ya
Jump! Jump!
Uh-huh, uh-huh
Jump! Jump!"

adamqd · 03-03-2009, 03:35 AM

"I get up, and nothing gets me down.
You got it tough. I've seen the toughest soul around.
And I know, baby, just how you feel.
You've got to roll with the punches to get to what's real
Oh can't you see me standing here,
I've got my back against the record machine
I ain't the worst that you've seen.
Oh can't you see what I mean ?

Might as well jump. Jump!
Go ahead, jump.
Might as well jump. Jump!
Go ahead, jump. Jump!"

(guitar solo)
(keyboard solo)

**Jan Gaarni** · 03-03-2009, 06:15 AM

You have no idea how many times I've gotten stuck in WoW and jump saved me from using my Hearthstone to port out of it, or call on a GM to save my butt.

So Jump must be in if you ask me.

Tommycat · 03-03-2009, 10:38 AM

I vote Yoda, but may switch to yes or no. If jumping is pretty much just an emote(appearance only with no use at all) then I don't see the need for it. Now, if special attacks or dodges can be applied while jumping, absolutely. In SWG and WoW jumping is pretty much visual only. It doesn't decrease the chance to hit or chance to dodge. It would be cool if they added in ie for jedi, You jump and a basic attack, you force jump to your target. Or for a ranged attacker(please let there be smugglers) you jump and attack and it does a critical attack with a higher chance to miss. Or you jump and dodge and it does a wicked cool jumping dodge effect that increases the chance for them to miss.

EnderWiggin · 03-03-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hallucination

^I'm not a cartographer, but I think you can jump using just your legs.

_EW_

PastramiX · 03-03-2009, 05:16 PM

To be honest, the only RPG that I've played that successfully incorporated jumping was Paper Mario, which was really more or less a role-playing platformer.

Vikinor · 03-03-2009, 05:54 PM

Yes! When jumping is not there it just feels like something is missing. When I played WoW, I would jump from time to time just to entertain myself. I currently play Guild Wars, which has no jumping. I still enjoy the game, but I would like it slightly more if I could jump.

I think TOR should have a basic jump that anyone and everyone can perform. Then as you get into Jedi and Sith they have force jumps and stuff. Possibly a "buff" skill and when it's on their basic jumps are converted into force jumps?

Miltiades · 03-03-2009, 06:17 PM

I don't care either way. Leave it out. Or not. I really don't feel like something's missing when playing games in which you can't jump.

Yoda it is!

Darklink41 · 03-04-2009, 03:40 PM

Ok, so yes in the films they fought with jumping, i can agree with that = p
I'm just not big on the idea of jumping i guess... bah humbug!

M@RS · 03-04-2009, 03:46 PM

Yes, jumping should be in the game...

Agent_Katarn00 · 03-04-2009, 04:35 PM

Yes because it is a excellent and helpful maneuver for many kinds of attacks that are coming for you.

Nedak · 03-04-2009, 05:30 PM

As long as it's not too obnoxious.

SW01 · 03-04-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedak

As long as it's not too obnoxious.

Yeah, not being able to do an eight foot standing jump - it would be alright if it was like the GTA IV jump - a bit more 'real', like a standing jump of a few inches, or a longer and slightly higher running jump. Jedi/Sith are the obvious exceptions, though. I stil think a slight force point charge would at least make them less casual about jumping about randomly. That, or the ability to snipe them out of the air!

Web Rider · 03-04-2009, 05:51 PM

I think there should be jumping, but perhaps a cooldown to avoid bunny-hopping all over the place.

Hallucination · 03-04-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Web Rider

I think there should be jumping, but perhaps a cooldown to avoid bunny-hopping all over the place.

As someone who occasionally bunny-hops all over the place, I can say that the reason people do that is because traveling in the most direct route (which usually happens to be a straight line for a good portion of it) is boring. Pushing buttons is fun, so people naturally want to jump while doing little things.

TKA-001 · 03-04-2009, 11:31 PM

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw people bunnyhopping all over the place in Star Wars: Galaxies when the NGE hit. Jumping can go jump in a lake as far as I'm concerned.

**Jan Gaarni** · 03-05-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tommycat

In SWG and WoW jumping is pretty much visual only. It doesn't decrease the chance to hit or chance to dodge.

True for SWG, it is only a "cosmetic" jump. You see the animation, but in "physical terms", you don't really gain any height.

This is, however, not true for WoW. It is a usefull ability that can get you up on things that are otherwise in-accessable. This can give you an advantage if you are "climbing" up on higher ground for instance. Other uses are, you can run away from your enemy to stay out of range, jump, spin around 180 degrees mid-air, fire off one of your instance casts at him/her, and do another 180 before you land to continue away from your target. Doing this will not affect your speed and you can make pot shots at your pursuer.

This works best against melee dudes.

GeneralPloKoon · 03-05-2009, 08:11 PM

If there is jumping, people might want sprinting next...

Hallucination · 03-05-2009, 09:57 PM

If there is toast, people might want peanut butter next...

People wanting something little is not a big deal. Because it's little.

Mav · 03-06-2009, 12:59 AM

I hope there's sprinting, it'd be a pain in the butt to walk everywhere, jumping is nice too

Sabretooth · 03-06-2009, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by maverick187

I hope there's sprinting, it'd be a pain in the butt to walk everywhere, jumping is nice too

You keep up with those sprints Mr. Bolt, I'll be riding my swoop bike right here.

/they see me flyin'
they hatin'
patrollin'
they tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty.

//there are going to be swoop bikes, right

Will O' The Wisq · 03-14-2009, 04:36 PM

Absolutely yes!
Jedi Knight-series is a proof that Star Wars games need Jump